Maeng Da Kratom
As a high potency strain, Maeng Da delivers a punch.
It brings many of the pain relieving qualities expected of Kratom, but with a much bigger stimulating boost. However, unlike other stimulants, the energy boost doesn’t come with any jittery, unfocused side effects.
MAENG DA EFFECTS
The details
Maeng Da was specifically created as a high potency red kratom strain in the humidity and heat of Indonesia. Similar to Bali Kratom, Maeng Da blends pain relief and energy into one. However, in order to beat the heat in Indonesia, this strain was made to provide a bigger kick in energy than Bali.
the difference
Because of it’s specifically bred for alkaloid properties, Maeng Da takes the normal pain relieving properties of a red strain and adds a nice energetic kick that some reds lack.
the science
Maeng Da Kratom was created using a technique called grafting, where tissues of different plants are joined together to breed different qualities of each plant into a new strain. In an effort to create a strain which maintains pain relief while mitigating sedative effects so it could be used during work in Indonesia, Maeng Da was born.
There is a LOT of info in these comments, and a LOT of it is wrong. First of all, if you are an addict…you should know that Kratom is addictive, just like whatever you are coming off of. That being said, it is much easier to come off of it than most actual ‘drugs’. And THAT being said, I don’t know why you would want to. It really DOES work, for literally everything mentioned here. Red strains work best for pain, white give lots of energy, and most greens do a bit of both. Vietnam and Thai strains are great for anxiety, and the former seems the best for euphoria (if it’s truly a Vietnam strain!) Dosage…is difficult. I recommend STARTING at 5 grams. That seems high compared with some comments here tho. But IMHO you want to take enough for it to have an effect. I take much more than that now. Over the years my tolerance has increased, much like anything else. I now take 15 grams, 2-3 times a day. Never less than 6 hours apart in dosing, it won’t work as good if it is less than that, and may make you nauseous if you take too much. Most pills contain roughly 1/2 gram per capsule, which means I take 30 pills at a time. Start with 5, wait 30 minutes, take 5 more if you feel you need to…repeat for desired effect. This will allow you to find your ‘sweet spot’…you’ll know if you take too much. As far as WHERE to get it…you just need to try some trial and error. Don’t give up if the first time or two yields low quality kratom, it is worth trying until you find the right brand for you. Headshops have recently become decent places to buy it, since popularity and demand has risen, but some may not really work at all. I buy it by the kilo online, but still try new brands at headshops to this day. I have been taking it for 8 years, so if you have any questions at all…I would be happy to answer them. Good luck, and do yourself a favor…try it until it works for you, because…it will.
THANKS FOR INFO, I’m addicted to METHADONE but down to 10mgs a day, at one time I was on ridiculous high 180mgs of mdone, have had spinal surgery & had to relearn to walk, I’m feeling shitty at 10mgs but I know longer crave euphoria, just want to help detox, I’m aware of it being addictive but I don’t think it can be any worse than what I’m going thru, I did a “test”, bought 30 capsules of mang da & took 10caps at once 2x 1st day & skipped my mdone dose, 2nd day skipped my mdone & took 5caps twice & i vried watching a movie for 1st time in yrs, i didnt get euphoria that my non-opiate friends get but thats fine, i just want to be clear headed again, ppl usually say stay away from headshops but i undetstand what your saying as KRATOM has bcome more popular in last fee yrs, i was taking some from a friend that got from online vendor but i was stil in ADDICT MODE, wanting to feel something more than just withdraw releif, maybe I was getting much of anything cuz I was stil dosing mdone but this 30capsules helped for 2 days & believed it would’ve benifitted if I stuck to it, I didn’t want to buy ALOT & waste my cash, I’m bout to head to shop as I’m 43, new relationship & SPENDING Holiday w/gf family, I liked m-da & they also have Bali, as a long time KRATOM user, what would you recommend for lil energy, not really in pain anymore, calm, relaxed, I don’t think il find anything that will produce euphoric effects as I’ve been on man made synthetic opiate for quite sum time but it would be nice to feel lol upbeat to ease social anxiety, hence I mentioned energy earlier, any feedback would be HIGHLY APPRICIATED
MIKE
Congrats man.. I was addicted to opiates and fentynal for 15 years using the kratom i am happy to say i am clean now for 113 days and feel what normal feels like. It relieves my pain from a motorcycle accident where i got busted up bad..but it works. Stay strong brother
Jumped off 70mg of methadone with nothing but kratom. 4 months later I’m done with both. It truly did save me.
I know this seems like a silly question but I was only taking 1-2 pills of the green Maeng Da or red Bali & needed to take more every 2 hrs. I could feel withdrawals when I didn’t take them. I took 6) 10/325 hydro’s ea day for 10 yrs so I finally got off of them. If I take a higher dose, will that last longer? Is that why you’re able to go 6 hrs or so in between? I am taking about 12 a day right now
Me too. I feel the effects wear off after a few hours & most are saying they dose every 6 plus hours. So my question is the same, if u take more does it last longer.
I agree with everything positive that has been posted about Kratom in general and with Maeng Da in particular. However, one thing I would add to anyone who may be afflicted with A-fib (irregular heartbeat) is that your symptoms may be exacerbated by using any strain but especially so with Maeng Da. This was extremely disappointing to me as I had terrific initial results with Maeng Da for pain relief but it caused my heartbeat to go so wacky that I had to stop taking it. I currently am sticking with Red Bali which isn’t as effective for pain but doesn’t mess with my heartbeat as much.
Nick. I’ve been having the same thing going on with my heart beat going through the roof. But I thought that was just since I’ve been off pain meds for a few days?! I didn’t even think that it was the Kratom strain. Guess I’ll be ordering new Kratom online and dealing with this for now. Ugh. I am thankful for Kratom,it’s helped. But people are making it seem like it’s just this big blanket that will cover every symptom and problem. Like it will come in, clean your house for you,pay your bills, feed the kids, work your job! No, it will barely help with withdrawal just so you can crawl your ass into work and barely walk and get thru the day. But I have to keep telling myself it’s worth it. So here we are. What does that have to do with your comment? I don’t know. 😂 Ffs .
Ive been using green maeung da and green malay kratom for the past 7 months. I was on three opiates, dilaudid, fentanyl patch, and percocet for severe back and neck problems for about 13 years! After weening off opiates i tried kratom. I am amazed! My pain is a 0-1 level now with 3tsps kratom in water. I take one to two doses each day and im great. I also suffer from major depression. The kratom gives me energy and im always smiling now. The kratom is a lifesaver for me! I never thought id get off opiates but now i cant believe i was ever on them.
just so everybody is aware, if your EVER withdrawling from opiates (I’ve withdrawled from medthodone and Suboxone, so I know withdrawls are like) hop down and sit cross cross with your spine straight up for as long as you can handle, the pain will get bad, but I’d rather be in pain all day then to be jumping out my skin.(meditate) and I promise you you will get sleep and relief when you hit your head on the pillow. the pain feels good on your mingmen where vitality and chi is made.
That’s awesome if that method works for you. It is completely worthless and useless for myself and anyone I know that has “legitimate” pain. I’ve been through withdrawals off of every medication to ever exist. The worst has been with benzodiazepines and methadone. I can’t attest to the withdrawal symptoms that come from Suboxone because I have absolutely NO intention of stopping the ingestion of Suboxone. It’s the one and only pain medication that legitimately keeps my back pain at a tolerable enough level to go to work everyday. I’ve taken every prescription/non-prescription medication and/or drugs that have ever existed. If it weren’t for this alleged “opioid epidemic” (complete bulls**t designed to get as many people as possible hooked back on illegal street drugs so these douchebags can write more tickets and generate more revenue for their repeatedly failed war on drugs) that is no worse than it was decades ago….it finally started effecting people who are on the higher end of the financial spectrum….so they deem it an “epidemic”.
Amen, brother. Same here. And… EXACTLY. No shame in having to take Suboxone or Subutex. I used to think I’d quit, but each time I did stop cold turkey, my life went to hell in a hand basket. I wouldn’t feel like working, get depressed, be so lethargic I was physically useless. And yes, the drug war is political propoganda to wage a social war against the lower working class and it’s disabled and/or chronically ill populace. Point blank, it is NOT the government’s business what we choose to ingest into our bodies: particularly “free,” of-age Americans. Anyway, Go Kratom! Big fan. Helps my breakyhrough pain, stress, anxiety, and energy/positivity/alertness.
Hello,
I’ve been taking Kratom for about 2 years. I’m a veteran that has PTSD and a lot of pain. I have to keep increasing my dosage. It doesn’t seem to be helping much for the PTSD now. I’m chest pain is starting to come back because of stress. I there another strain I can take? I tried a couple of other strains but the effects didn’t last long.
Hi William, buy as many different strains as you can. Alternate like a madman. Always keep in mind that you will get pain relief from them all, but if you need energy and focus (like during the morning and afternoon)…
take green or white .. (Green gives me good energy) , and take reds and/or yellow (combining red and yellow makes GOLD, which is awesome) in the evening (or when you want to relax and don’t need an energy boost) .
Alternate strains/colors to a ridiculous extent and you will get a good experience every time.
If you dont the feeling you want with your typical dose, take another teaspoonful once every 30-45 min until you DO get that feeling .
Make note of the strains that just don’t get you where you want to be, so you’ll know to start with a higher dose or avoid that one altogether
Hope this helped
Hey I am brand new and take diludad and have intense debilitating pain. I just started last night. I take 4 mg of diliduad 4 times a day and I have to have migraine fiorcet med, and Gabepentine for nerve damage. I just tried it as a tea, did not work so I tried again with lemon juice and some hiot water, I threw up a little the taste was so bad. In the tea it was fine with honey but I found that others said put lemon juice on it 15 minutes for alkaloids and then hot water and chocolate milk or yogurt fur taste. Chocolate milk works. I am not getting the pain relief from my pain medication and I think I am either having an allergy or bad side effects so I was nervous to try higher dosage of Kratom too fast. I really need some help with someone that has big pain, can you help a sister out? I want to get out of this pain and and off the opiate train. I used to get great relief with my old doc, because he was an expert biochemist and pharmacologist and he was cancer doc so he knew about bad pain. I have 3 diseases causes intense pain and bad injuries. I was on fentanyl but can’t get the brand I need, and I also hate the sweating and that you can’t get heated in shower or even outside. . I don’t want to give up on Kratom but I needs some help with the dosage. I bought the powder. I also got kava kava cause I need to get restful sleep. I have not tried it yet. I have CBD oil, which helps some but not near enough on sleep. i need this “big pain” knocked out. I have become bed ridden the last few months and I have to get this Kratom thing down right before giving up. I do have more pain that moderate, mine is the devil, and when I read and researched Kratom I looked for people that had similar injuries and bad disease and pain like me. We just passed the marinol pill but who knows how long before I get to see the doc or clinic. They have dragged it out for years not getting the clinic and now I hear their is waiting list. I only took 2 teaspoons of powder last night. I figured people were using more. I git mine at kracken krwtom because of the American Kratom guaranteeing the product was safe. Wondered if I should have combined the yellow and red. I am not looking to get high, just relief. Last night and 1st did nothing. I did have some weird throat feeling which I get with opiates and I hate cause it feels very dry and kinda of choking like. I was so upset but hung in there, the 2nd time I did it like a YouTube video guy recommends. What I want to know is does it really work on people that have major pain? And how do you get the same amount to equal opiates you take? I can’t take OxyContin and I think that something in those drugs makes me feel hyper, and sick maybe the dyes and I break out like crazy. Don’t want to be hyper, just want relief. I was doing great until my doc does. Also does anyone know if it affects your gut, I have ulcerative colitis and don’t like opiates action slowing your gut down. And I have massive bladder pain from other disease. I want to be safe and get relief. Sorry I wrote so much, I am desperate. Thanks.
Hi my name is Tami. Please contact me about Kratom. Please. I would really appreciate it. Thank you so much!
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I am in severe pain & take alot of oxycodone but cant do this anymore. Please contact asap if possible. I am an above the knee amputee
Red bent or Bali. Even gold Bali. Most of the reds. I’m in the same boat about taking multiple doses a day. It really doesn’t last very long if you have a tolerance.. At least the peak effects don’t. I’d recommend mixing some together. Some green but majority red. Like AL said alternating works best as you become tolerant to particular alkaloids in each strain. You can potentiate it with orange juice (not grapefruit juice). Be careful with that tho. I’ve taken my usual and with the OJ it made me sick since it was much stronger. Just so you understand it’s not just you. I take 8-10 grams in the morning, maybe2-3 grams every 2 hours or so and then another 6 when I get home and probably another 8-10 grams at night. Not always though. Usually if I’m working I’m taking more but at least two bug doses in night/morning and some smaller throughout the day
So j everyone else mostly says grapefruit juice what’s the diff w OJ and also lemon juice
Please look into getting B vitamin injections! I am a clinical psychologist and most people in my field and in medicine do not know that stress that you have endured that is abnormal and extreme causes the body to become depleted in B-vitamins. I know it works because I had PTSD and still do to a degree. Although my PTSD is not from war the effects can be similar because its all a matter of ones own personal experience and how they handle their trauma. When I began taking B-vitamin shots everything changed! My anxiety was almost completely gone. My energy was fully back. My mind was clear again! Everything that had been bothering me was pretty much ALMOST gone, not completely, but drastically better. Most lab tests will show a person has adequeate levels of B-vtimans but not OPTIMAL! This might sound crazy but on Amazon you can buy vet made B-vtiamin vials for 14 dollars and if you read the reviewws, and there are a lot of them, many humans use them because they are the same thing and gone through the same manufacturing process as the ones for humans go through. I purchased some insulin needles online which are cheap and gave myself sub-conatnious injections every day and do not worry about overdosing because they are water soluable vitamins and its almost impossible to overdose because we just pee them out. I wish I could post the scientific journals that are discovering what I am writing you right now. Please look them up. PTSD and B-vitamin deficinecy study on google and you will find them. Or look up stress and B-vitamin defciency study on google and you will find so much info on this! I can almost guarantee that you ahve a B vitamin deficinecy and if you start taking them via injections you will see such an huge improvement! I promise you! And I hold two masters degrees in pscyhology from a prestigious univeristy so I am no dummy and I have expereinced the benefits of taking these injections first hand so its why I am so passionate about this. If theywere to give you vets these injections so many of you would improve is so many ways its unbelievable but instead you are given ativan traizadone and whole bunch of meds that do not fix the problem. B vitamins FIX the problem. Look up the vials on Amazon and go and buy your insulin needles for 20 bucks online and start giving yourself daily injections and I promise you that you won’t stop and you will be amazed how you feel! It will only cost you 50$ max and it will change your life. What do you have to lose?
Brent I am curious how these different strains affect serotonin. I have had serotonin poisoning a couple of times and hell would be a picnic in paradise by comparison.
I believe I saw you were a Psychologist in your post? So you would be familiar, with both serotonin uptake and Selexa/Citrolipram (sp? Sorry) which I already take 40mg of.
I will have to take this dose for the rest of my life because any attempt to change it or add another drug targeting serotonin (I tried Champex for smoking and ended up in hospital).
So, after rambling the long way around, do you think any of these strains would effect serotonin levels?
Good old celexa. Getting off the last 10-15mg was a nightmare for me! I was on it for two years & the day I lost my gallbladder at the hospital, I forgot to take the celexa during my surgery & recovery days, & so two days after, I started having RLS, night sweats/cold sweats, and body convulsions (they were small ones). It lasted two weeks. The TRICK to getting past the “body’s addiction to serious habit forming meds,” (also, I helped get a cancer client off of Dilaudid, & two Fentanyl patches), is muscle relaxers, so your BODY can sleep, AND ONLY for the first week, EVERY OTHER DAY(if you can), 20mg of baclofen ( Drs approval of course), and then QUIT cold turkey, (do not get refills), AND THEN rest, do yoga, get exercise, do daily meditations (20mins each twice a day), this is to keep the body busy/distracted/to burn off any leftover anxiety from the body not getting it’s “fix of celexa,” (everytime you get triggered or your body starts to flip out, YOU MOVE: exercise, even if it’s ballslams, jumping jacks, jump rope, or burpees, just to calm the energy down, you have to move), So, if your asleep and you wake up from a panic attack, you GET UP & run in place, jump up & down, move your body…this will RETRAIN the brain, which helps the body stop whatever it’s doing. (and I’d also see/do phone sessions with a Behavioral Counselor to establish a NEW behavior for your body to be addicted to, something to break the old habit… something healthy of course.) Took me two weeks to stabilize from body convulsions.
5 Years after that, other stuff came up and it turned into passive aggressive anger/buttloads more of anger. Did NOT want drugs after getting off them once already.
I had actually managed to suppress the past by being a workaholic to avoid the person who was making my life hell.
I had to do this on my own. Lots of research, lots of meditation, lots of being PATIENT with MYSELF. Lots of ballslams & punching bags…(to not get codependent on a therapist)….Just cause your off the meds/drugs doesn’t mean you fixed the real issue(s)….You will have to break yourself of old habits, old ideas, and old systems of belief, if you wish to fully get off/stay off the meds and feel better, long term.
It won’t be easy (as you already know), you’re going to purge, you’re going to be emotional and you’re going to want to give up. But that’s why I advised a behavioral coach (counselor)…they can help keep you in check, give you things to do to change a behavior, or adjust it to tailor it to your needs or where you’re at in the process of letting go of the past. It’s a mental, emotional, physical journey… exhausting. But it will get calm and you won’t need to be on & off medicine your whole life. You have to declutter, unfriended people for real who are toxic to you emotionally. You have to widen your view of the life your in. If you can’t do all that while your in the environment that made you ill…then take respite and get AWAY from everyone & everything so you can focus on yourself without distraction….even float centers are great for that…take the time to do SELF-care. No it’s not selfish.
Also….if you can’t do muscle relaxers (cause it’s easy to get addicted to drugs for their calming/knock out effects, which just puts a bandaid on things), then try blue lotus tea leafs or any calming teas as you work through your issues. Again, your body is going to flip out, you will feel loss of control of it and will think you need the ER, but it’s just the body having a tantrum….of course if it’s like life threatening then absolutely see a doctor/go to ER….BUT I can tell you, there really is no cure for all that makes you ill, Except for the TIME & DEDICATION you put into YOU changing your lifestyle, your eating habits, your sleep schedule, & your routine. It’s not an overnight deal or after a couple of weeks deal, it is an every single day of your life deal, till you have no doubts, no one pushing their agendas down your throat causing drama, it’ll take you listening to your GUT for a change, to deal with anything you experience.
And as I always say….”If doubt arises, take your emotions out of the picture,”….. you’ll be surprised how much clarity you get when you do. Hope this helps you.
Hi Brent! I agree B vitamins are worth a try. I couldn’t find anything on amazon, would you mind sharing the link?
All the best,
Kavie
Maeng Da is great for everyday use in my opinion. Of course it’s probably better to cycle through a few different strains if you consume daily. Always a good go to strain.
Wow, do NOT listen to Brent’s advice. It is NEVER safe to self-administer yourself with needles. DO NOT do your own injections. Go to a medical professional.
Omg, really ? Who do you think manages insulin administration ? Diabetics, and daily. MS patients and Interferon injections ? MS victims ! Your argument is worthless, especially when referring to “sub-cutaneous” injections. Jeez !
Brent, I tried B-12 injections at a local hydration place with little effect. When I tried methylated B-12 sublingual tablets my blood levels were still good but I felt better.
I’m just trying these kratom leaves for fatigue and cervical neck pain and so far the maeng da has been good, but I’d like to know if there is really any difference besides the main ingredient percentage?
Your exactly right. I’ve been taking “B-Vitamin Complex” vitamin supplements for about 6 months now as well as 3-5,000 Mcg’s of B-12 “Methylcobalamin” daily. It’s very important you make sure your getting actual “Methylcobalamin B-12” and not the usual crap in your standard cheap types of B-Vitamin Supplements. Also taking L-Tyrosine along with Acetyl L-Carnitine and a good source of “Choline”. The best, most absorbable form is “Citicoline”, the next best absorbable form is “Alpha GPC”. Also taking L-Theanine is a great muscle relaxer. These are just a few things you can get legally….nothing you can get legally can or ever will compare with anything that requires a prescription or that you can get from a friend or on the street. Trust me. I’m giving you the facts based on real life experience. Believe what you choose, but what Ivetokd you is 100% accurate.
More i read about kratom and more confused I’m, sorry! I have back pain and that’s way i was introduced to pain medications( oxycodone) ! Excuse my ignorance, but i didn’t know about ” legal prescriptions medications”! I didn’t know meds can cause withdrawal like street drugs ( and i don’t want to discriminate withdrawals” because they all are painful). I was introduced to pain medications from my doctor and i got cut off from suddenly without a support for the withdraw, like suboxone. Honestly i don’t trust doctors anymore, i don’t think our pains or our withdrawal is what matter to them!!! Anyways now I’m still dealing with my back pain and withdraw and i also have anxiety depression and sleeping problems!😔 i tried the kratom but it didn’t help a lot with any of my problems and I’m new to cbd oil and i still can’t find any progress with my issues! I’m not trying to discourage others i actually need help and suggestions myself! I keep reading about kratom and cbd oil and all i find is a confusion of informations! Pls can anyone be honest and suggest me helpful directions! Sorry for my english . ty
Been there, done it (above) all! Crazy how the majority of us have the same story! Weened myself of Of Oxi’s & have been on A Kratom daily dosage & Its A life saver! My husband is an ER Dr. & is skeptical on Kratom because it is not FDA approved but he has been w/ me through my 12 years of chronic back pain & Is supportive because Kratom is the only thing that curbs the pain & keeps me from constantly whining about how bad it hurts. Only thing is if we find a diagnosis for my back pain & figure out a permanent way to cure the problem & make pain go away I’m going to hv to ween myself off of the Kratom as well. Sometimes when I wake up and don’t take my red kratom the night before I go to bed, I can feel my body going through withdrawls the next morning, they are the same withdrawls you go through weaning off of opiates. However looking forward to that day that we do figure it out and I am dependent on nothing at all. Grateful for what Kratom has done for me the last three years, don’t know what I will do if they ban this product. #KratomBeliever
Hi Shannon,
I have read your story and would like to ask you something. I’m praying that you will receive my message and hopefully reply back. I too am looking for a NATURAL alternative to ween myself off of opiates. I’ve been taking 10/325 (3 a day, sometimes 4, depending on the severity of the pain, or what I did that day)pills for a LONG time now for CHRONIC pain. Rheumatoid arthritis, knee pain and lower back pain. I feel like I am 90 yrs old! my body HURTS so bad! Unfortunately I don’t have medical ins. and have been purchasing the pain pills from a friend of mine, which has become VERY expensive! But I cannot function through a regular day without pain medication. NOT because I’m HOOKED on them, but because of the pain. My attitude is horrible at times because of it. And I’m tired of people constantly asking me what’s wrong. I have purchased “Kratom Maengda Premium,” in hopes, that it would help and it did seem like it worked the very 1st time and I only took 3 pills; however, it didn’t last long (hrs). I then increased it to 6 pills, but it made me nauseous and now I feel that its not working at all! Can you PLEASE tell me what your regime was/is EXACTLY and which one(s) are you taking. I REALLY need help with withdrawals. Maybe you can ask your husband too? Can you please email me your response also ([email protected]).
Respectfully,
Celina!
I am a long time opiate pain medication user that got cut off when switched to Kaiser Permanente. Your opiate tolerance is pretty low, but you do need something stronger than non-opiate addicts. You are DEFINITELY physically dependent on opiates If you’ve taken them daily for even just 30 days, let alone 8yrs like me. The problem with regular kratom powder is there are like 26 alkaloids at work, and only 2 of them are opiates. 7HMG is like 14 times more potent than morphine, but it’s like 0.45% of the alkaloids in kratom, and the total alkaloid content of kratom is only like 4% of the total weight. You see, your body can only tolerate so much of all 26 alkaloids a day, so at a certain daily amount it only makes you feel worse (nauseous). However, your body needs a lot of mitragynine and 7HMG. I was unable to avoid opiate withdrawal using just kratom powder. What you gotta do is get some “black diamond” 50x or 60x extract. By weight, this extract is supposed to have 60 times the mitragynine and 7HMG as kratom powder, but without any of the other alkaloids. The stuff is not cheap- like $65/oz. And only 2 companies sell it. You can’t import kratom extracts anymore, so any company sell extracts has to make it themselves. The black diamond extract is by far the best method – it ends up with sparkly alkaloid crystals it’s so concentrated. It looks kinda like glitter. Austin Organic Village has the 60x, and they are the ONLY company to sell a red kratom 60x extract called “Ruby Red’. Its way more potent than the black diamond or green emerald. Try taking 0.5g -1g of ruby red with like 2-3g of regular red bali or red maeng da kratom. This way you get the amount of opiate alkaloids you need (mitragynine and 7HMG) as well as the full effect of the other alkaloids at a low enough dose that they feel good and don’t make you nauseous. Trust me, I had a fentanyl level tolerance and this worked for me. I mean I can take 2-4g of ruby red per dose, but you can take as much 60x extract as you want without any worry of nausea. Hope this helped .
You are obviously knowledgeable about this and I am preparing to embark on a regimen of maengda. I’ve suffered many years since MD refuse to fill anymore pain meds. The past 8 years acetomenophin is my only pain meds lol. 18 yrs of Dilaudid, then 9 yrs of Oxycotin, 33 yrs alprazolam now nothing. I’m close to immobile. Post op from two back surgeries, total knee, steroid injections, etc. Found Kratom by accident and getting ready to start today or tomorrow. What is the black diamond you refered to? And the effects of Kratom physiologically. Thanks much
Jim please get ahold of me.
I take 30 mg 6 times a day of oxycodone immediate-release I need help on trying to come off of these I have excruciating pain pain that sometimes makes me want to not wake up I need help! I am an above-the-knee leg amputee my leg feels like it’s anywhere from freezing 2 I have shooting lightning bolts going up my leg that isn’t even there. what and how should I use this kratom I’m a new user to it and I have the maeng da
THE most important thing to remember about kratom is not all vendors sell the same quality kratom. And, even if you did get a good batch from a quality vendor, the next order you get could be complete junk.
Look at a company’s reviews on the specific strains they sell. Some vendors are known for selling certain strains that are much better than other vendors.
Last thing: don’t take too much. I assume each pill was .5 grams. Instead of doubling your dose, try going up .5mg’s every 45 minutes until you reach a theraputic dose.
Getting sick from kratom sounds like you took too much.
Give Super Green Malay a shot for pain during the day.
It lasts a long time, offers very good painkilling effects, and is stimulating enough to offer motivation.
The SECOND MOST IMPORTANT THING to remember when taking kratom is to constantly change strains, so you do not become tolerant to a specific type. And, if you want to stop kratom, either mix it up in a water bottle and nurse it throughout the day, or step down from a red strain, to a green strain, then a white strain. You can walk off a stimulating white strain much easier than from a strain that offers good painkilling effects.
I have a question if you are still reading thees comments. Or maybe some other users can help me.
Stephn De Marco mention Super Green Malay for pain relive – killing . \my main problem is the hip pain . I am now using green Ming Da . But in bigger dose 10 to 15 grams it make me sleepy .
Does Super Green Malay make you sleepy in bigger dose . That is my main concern.
Thanks.
I have a question if you are still reading thees comments. Or maybe some other users can help me.
Stephn De Marco mention Super Green Malay for pain relive – killing . My main problem is the hip pain . I am now using green Ming Da . But in bigger dose 10 to 15 grams it make me sleepy .
Does Super Green Malay make you sleepy in bigger dose . That is my main concern.
Thanks.
I have had three surgeries in the past 7 years (Back/Knee/Shoulder). All big surgeries. The pain doc started me out at 5/325 Norcos at 1-2 a day, eventually, after 9 years it led to Percocet (oxyc) 10/325 up to 10 pills a day. When that started wearing off, I went to 12 pills a day. Then the doc discussed the Fentanyl patch. I was like, NO WAY. What happens when that wears off doc? Exactly.
It came time to where I couldn’t live this vicious cycle anymore. So over two weeks I found myself just completely tapped out. I have tried Blocks in the back, epidurals, over 60 sessions at the physical therapists. Ice and tenz unit every night before bed WITH a Soma AND Ambien 10mg WITH the pain meds. I was a complete mess. So, what did I do? I was a complete idiot and tried to wean off myself. By the second day, I went to urgent care. After a long discussion with this new doctor (as he’s reviewing my med history)…
He laid it out for me. He said, YOU NEED TO GET HELP and I want you to go to detox for a week. So, I did it. I entered detox the next day. They put me on Subutex along with about a million other meds (made me a zombie at first) but I trusted the process. Started out with high doses and by the 7th day, I was on none.
I have to tell you all right now, GO TO DETOX. Get your body and mind straight FIRST. Trust me, When I came out I felt like I haven’t felt in 9 years. I felt new. I felt good. BUT my pain was still there. So, I asked about Kratom. I was pointed to kratom maeng da red. I started taking it the day after I got out. This is no joke, I have not even thought about taking a pain med. This stuff has seemed to help with the pain and head clarity So far, so good. I first tried the pill form, but since I am 6’2 and 205 pounds and the dosages I used to take I switched to the tea version. I use a spoon full and make a hot tea out of it in a good size mug. And it just works great. Anyone else have these results?
I have been on oxycontin for awhile now and have been wanting to get off but withdrawals suck. Does anyone have any help that can help me feel the effect like an opiate but not resort to suboxone.
Andy, read my story above. I pray it helps you man. You will find peace. It’s just a process and some time.
Hi Andee,
For me the red strain helps best when kicking. I found mixing white with it took care of the sedation. Sometimes I throw green in but you must understand, I dont get the same feeling from Kratom as opiates, for me theres no high feeling thank God, I just feel at peace as if I took opiate without being goofy in the head. Kratom saved me. Good Luck. Sharon
Hi,..
I have the same problem,I am withdrawing from oxycotin and Percocet,I can’t stand withdrawals and the only reason I took it.
I have just started Maeng Da Kratom,and I swear by it…
Everyone with addictions and pain,Need to not walk run and Get Kratom..I haven’t felt so good in year’s!
My Uncle was addicted to opioids and Before that heroine..He has been clean for 5 year’s..On Kratom for that entire time.He told me about it..
I was so sure it wouldn’t help! I was wrong…
And the people are there to help..you need to be honest with them, they will point you in the right direction! I wish you well!
God Bless
I was taking Kraton and I was feeling great , but i couldn’t understand why they was selling it in smoke shops. Well today I read that it contains high levels of lead and nickel ( Lucky I only been taking it for two days) please go to your doctors ASAP. Let them know that you need to be tested for lead, and nickel. The state of Ohio is trying to band Kraton. Because 15 people since 2016 has had Kraton in their system and it’s listed on their death certificate. I’m really disappointed because it was working but all things good have a side effect but death shouldn’t be one of them.
This is ludicrous! I’ve gotten off of Suboxone with Kratom. I’m VERY much a health nut now. I’ve not seen any VALID research the backs your claim and trust me I’ve studied lots. Anything that comes from the CDC or the government isn’t credible to me. Check the REAL facts, please. Just Google it and scroll down a bit past all the lies and you’ll find the truth. It’s a wonder plant. It’s completely changed mine and my wife’s lives for the better. Not trying to be crass. Please forgive if my tone is off. Be blessed!
I’m having issues getting off of pain meds myself. Which kratom did you take to help?
Andee, after researching which strain is best to switch from opiates to kratom I found red bali works the best. That’s what was recommended from several credible sources so I tried it and it worked excellently. You can avoid opiate withdrawal within a week in my experience. I’m also interested in the suggestion above to mix red and yellow kratom to make a gold mixture. I’ve had pain relief and relaxing drinks with a gold mix that do the job. So alternating and working to see what works for you are worth it. Plus you can change it up for whatever help you’re looking for that day. That’s what’s so nice about kratom, you have so many choices available. Hope this helped, take care.
Please no disinformation.. There is no fucking lead and nickel in Kratom. Do you think lead and nickel are found in tree leaves?? NOPE, and Kratom is crushed tree leaves. PERIOD
Hi Rachell,
You need to order organic kratom . Smoke shops have kratom thats cut every which way. Please dont get caught up in negative crap lies. Used properly Kratom helps with all kinds of medical and physical problems. Please read up more. Your information sources aren’t given you accurate information.Sharon
Wondering what the starting dosage is for the Maeng da ? Just ordered some for pain relief. (5 level lumbar fusion). Currently piggy backing acetaminophen and ibuprofen every 4 hours. No opiates at all, never take them. Just tired of taking so many pills every day and dont want to resort to marijuana (yet). I’m willing to try this but am concerned just how much to start off with. I’m 160 pounds and 5’7. I was thinking half a gram? Wait an hour or two and see what happens? I’m totally new to this and only just discovered it. Hopefully it will help. Just tired of the chronic pain and tired of going to the ER for a shot of Toradol when the pain gets too bad. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you!! :o)
I’ve been taking kratom for about 3 months now, I especially like the maeng da kratom. I’d say take 2-3 teaspoons(2-3 grams) starting out. I take 1 tablespoon(about 4 grams) 3-4 times a day. Start small, and see what works for you. You can get sick if you take too much and it’s awful! Drink with coffee and plenty of creamer, don’t take on an empty stomach. You can parachute it, I hear there’s pills you can buy but I just buy the powder.
Thanks so much. I’ll start with 2 grams. I’ll have to Google what “parachuteing” means. I’m 43 and already behind in the times when it comes to lingo. Lol. Thanks again and I’m glad it works for you. Coffee and creamer it will be for me I suppose. Cant go wrong with coffee! Glad it helps you. Chronic pain is no fun. And I imagine withdrawal from opiates isnt either. Ugh. I appreciate your reply. More than you know. Thanks again Brandon!!
A teaspoon is 5 grams. A tablespoon is 15 grams. Most kratom in pill form is one gram per pill, but check the label. Just FYI.
So wrong. First off, 1 teaspoon is 2-3 grams depending on your scoop. That would make 1 tablespoon 6-9 grams. Most capsules I have come across are the same size and 8 capsules is 1 teaspoon.
Hi Bobby,
I started taking Maeng Da for pain relief last year and found it to be very effective. Like you, I was alternating Tylenol Advil and prescription Alieve. Tired of taking so many OTC’s and not willing to take opioids I took a chance and tried this. I don’t use marijuana as I haven’t found a strain that takes pain away without psychoactive effects (feeling high). maeng da kratom helped take the edge off the pain along with providing a “clarity” to my brain function. When you deal with chronic pain your brain gets so tired, and this was an unexpected bonus.. clear bright mind without jitters or a stimulant feeling. I took 4 capsules (.75grams each) in the morning, that’s a total of 3.0 grams daily. Started with 2 capsules to see how I felt, but 4 seemed to do the trick, I didn’t take it in the afternoon/evening as I was worried it may keep me “up” .. I suffer from insomnia.
I stopped taking kratom early this year after I was diagnosed with breast cancer and started chemotherapy.. not enough studies to show if it would interact with my treatments, so I am waiting to get past this phase of my treatment and look forward to putting Kratom back into my regime after breast surgery etc…
All this to say, I think you should try it!! Start small and work up.. be careful to look at the source of the product and the dosage per capsule.
I hope this helps!!
Thank you so much!! I hope hope HOPE you get through this treatment and live a long and happy, stress free life. Filled with nothing but happiness and love. I appreciate your reply more than you know.
i been taking kratom Meang Da White Vein over 5 yrs i have broken my back in half from a car wreak and as well as Cancer both lungs known as the black lungs i have Chronic Pain as well im grateful for this kratom i start off with a teaspoon when i get up i take the powder i chase it with water or juice depends on how active i am that day when ever i start to fill pain bam i take a teaspoon im 58yrs old been on pain pills more then half my life the kratom is AWESOME no addictions no withdrawls START WITH A TEASPOON AND BE YOUR OWE MANAGER ON HOW MUCH TO TAKE hope this message help have a bless day
Don’t know, but I am willing to give it a try. I have a failed back fusion, fused from L3 to Sacrum with 3 disk replaced with pucks. With anything new make sure you start slow and see what works for you. Stay away from Ibuprofen and acetaminophen, these are pushed heavily but have severe side effects over time. My best advice is to learn to ignore the pain taking the least of anything you can. Exercise, a glass of wine, and some good love making can release your natural endorphins and not only help with pain but increase your activity, wellbeing, and improve your relationships with your loved ones. Yes their are plants on earth that can come to our aid, but to be used in natural form and not abused.
I’ve been taking Kratom for opiate withdrawal and I take 6 capsules once or twice a day.. no harmful side effects experienced.. one capsule is about the size of an 800 mg ibuprofen by the way. I take the white maeng da strain but I’m sure the others work as well
Kratom is a game changer in the opiote addiction I’ve been addicted to opioids so long 13 yrs and I spent 2 yr inside prison also I was a member of the methodone clinic for 2 yrs doing anykind of drug to stay out of pain and bet the withdrawals witch everyone who is anyone knows u can beat them. I started taking kratom a yr ago and also have a hurniated disc in my lower back so I’m no stranger to pain iam so impressed with kratom I don’t take anything else please try !!! It will change your life !!
Alana what strain and brand do u use. My friend is coming off tramadol and I need to get kratom today. Please tell me which one for withdrawls. Thank you so much and good luck to you.
Chris, get your friend Maeng Da, it’s a miracle for withdrawals! I’d have them so bad my legs would jump, every muscle in my body would crawl. Not to mention all the other effects. I’ve had no withdrawal symptoms since taking Kratom.
So it really does work
It takes 5 grams to feel the effects
Hi Bobby,
I take Maeng Da, started out with 1 1/2 to 2 grams each time, on an empty stomach. It never bothered me and works faster that way, guess it depends on the person. I load mine into capsules, got 1000 on Amazon for like $12! It’s been a life saver for me, chronic back pain plus an old foot bone injury that hurts when the hell it wants; ) I took opioids for years, I’ve had no withdrawal symptoms since taking the Kratom. I buy it up in large amounts to make sure I don’t run out. I feel better than I have in years, actually have energy but it doesn’t make me jittery. This is the best stuff ever.
Has anyone tried this to come off of suboxone? I’m currently on less than 2mg a day, from 16mg 2 years ago…I have mixed kratom.and sub the last 2 days and it seems to make me feel a bit better and taper.my sub down..this morning I haven’t taken any sub yet. Took 2 green Malay, 1 red Bali and I feel pretty decent. Any advice or any stories of your own experience would be so incredibly appreciated. I’m so ready to put opiates behind me. Thanks so much for any help!
Yes I am coming off of my subutex and it really does help me. It isn’t like your classic opiate , for me personally it mimics the benefits of Bupenorphine or however you spell it
Awesome! I’m on day 4 with no sub and so far I dont feel awful. My last dose was sat night/sun am at around midnight and it was a half of an 1/8 of a strip. I’ve actually gotten sleep every night… I cant believe it! I’ve been using green Malay and red Bali, but a friend said I should seriously consider maeng da… any advice you have of what strains of combos work best for you?! Thanks for the help and good luck on your journey as well!
Maeng da is one of the best ones in my opinion. I have tried many strains but nothing works as good as this strain. I have to take 4 capsules & then 4 more an hour later but my tolerance is high. I have been on & off opioids for 7 years & this has saved me. Red vein bali made me sleepy & the green Malay didn’t do anything. The white maeng da is good for energy but not pain. Good luck!
I rotate between white maeng da and the red maeng da to avoid building a tolerance. I have several back diseases including arthritis which is pretty much my whole body. Both the red and the white have helped with the pain and give me energy. I messed up and used something called trainwreck a few weeks ago. This stuff was awful. I didn’t want to do anything, but lay around. My dosage is usually 5 grams around 6:30 every morning. I use the powder now and it seems to kick in in about 10 to 15 minutes. The results last me about 5 to 6 hours. I love this stuff and recommend it to everyone who is in chronic pain.
Iv quit my suboxone film 8mg 2 times a day. This is my second day with out it and my withdrawals are really getting to me. Iv decided to purchase some kratom maeng da they are 32.5 Grams a capsule I took 1 about 11:40 this morning it helped for about an hour and once it wore off my head started to hurt really badly and my withdrawals came back. It’s now 6:00 PM and I just to 2 capsules. I’m praying this works I have work tomorrow and iv got to get through this prayers and advice would help me so much. Thank you all
Hello Sevrah I quit my suboxone 2mg a day last week. It was very difficult even with the Green Thai Kratom I was using. I was taking 1 tablespoon of kratom every 4 hours for nearly 5 days. I have been on suboxone for 12 years. Coming off suboxone was one of the most hardest things I have ever done. I hope your attempt works but if it doesn’t dont get discouraged because you can take very small amounts of suboxone and get your tolerance down like I did. Then you can make another attempt with Kratom and get better results. I hope this information helps stay STONG
Man, good luck, I just walked sweating and nauseous to get some, I’m tired of the opioids in my life!! But I can’t miss any work being sick, nor a POS at work! So good luck man….I’m really rooting for you!
Kratom has helped me taper and eventually stop my meds (Xanax, gabapenten, and my ER transfix) I’ve been a pill addict for decades and let me tell you, Kratom saved me in a way. Just remember, only a certain percent of The alkaloids go to the brain, take only a little, because to much will make you vomit and can get you very sick for a short period of time, but small doses are the way to go. GOOD LUCK!!
Hi I am also in benzo withdrawals. I stupidly decided to stop taking my prescription after 8 years of taking it and I am in hell. I just bought a bottle of kratom. I am hoping it will help me as it did you. My anxiety is unbearable it seems to help so far. 4 pills when I wake, repeat afternoon and around 4pm again. I am not sure if it will intensify my insomnia in the evening? I took the red bali and I experienced headaches and was irritable when it wore off so I am tring Mang Da
In the process right now. 10 years of heavy opiate use 2 years on subs. I started kratom a week ago after tapering subs (Only tapered like 3 days at half sub dose). If full blown WD’s are say a level 10 WD’s with Kratom never got above 5. Most of the negative effects were the ones you can control with OTC meds.
My Girlfriend was on that medication and I told her to just take this and it’s works better then the suboxone. The way I see it is, natural and not as harsh on your kidneys as long as you drink a lot of water. She’s a heavy set woman, so she has to take 8grms to make it work. The opioids in this plant, can’t be addictive; so be Carefull.
No opioids in Kratom.
Yes, Kratom absolutely helps with coming off Suboxone. I couldn’t have done it without kratom. Suboxone is awful. Ide much rather with drawl from heroin. In fact, I had to use heroin to get off suboxone the first time I did it. Then used Kratom to get off the heroin. The 2nd time, I just used Kratom to get off the Subs. Now I just use Kratom occasionally when I get the PAWS.
Worried reading pros and cons.coming off Heroin smoker for 1 year.Everyone encouraging subs!!but don’t want to start down that path.Some say kratom will do nothing so scared of starting. Out of heroin!!Bought Red Mang Da.Smoked last little bit of Heroin 5 hours ago so….??
Guess will TRY THIS SOON, PRAY PEOPLE R BEING HONEST!🙏Guess 1-3 tsp.(guess grams equal to)in juice or water. know powder is nasty does NOT mix up!!!!GROSS!!
Just praying nothing real noticeable for next few hours!?🙏just want to get through the next worst 5-7 day HEROIN W/D’s!!PLEASE PRAY this is the ANSWER!!and DONT NEED THOSE SUBS-FEW THAT I HAVE(never taken).IF ONLY🙏 NEVER TOUCHING OPIODS AGAIN EVER!!want my life back!!
I was taking oxycodone for 7 years. Tried to wean off it several times but the withdrawals were unbearable. Started taking white Maeng Da kratom 5 months ago and I have not had a pill since that day! It really works! Plus I have energy and it elevates my mood. I mix it into a glass of water. Take it on an empty stomach. Try 2 grams (tsp) to start. Wait 30 minutes. If you don’t feel anything take another gram and wait another 30 minutes. Take another gram if needed until you find your perfect dose. Effects should last 3-6 hours. Good luck! It has saved my life!
Try red and white Borneo for pain, mood and red Thai is also good. Look up different strains and see the effects that you may want. Red Borneo helps my pain and mood and sleep. Good luck Sara . I quit years of oxycodone from Dr. Put me on 8 mg Subutex . Hated it and I passed out and quit breathing and my 16 yr old cat brought me out of it, hitting my face and crying loudly. Went to Kratom and no withdrawells after 10 yrs on oxycodone . Found out I don’t have the gene that processes pain pills and others so was only getting 1/4 of 15mg oxy’s. Maeng da can be mixed red and green work well for pain.
If you can avoid having to take the subs, please do. I have had so many friends who started using them to get off of opiods and found out that they were just as addictive and much harder to get off of. I will be praying for you 🙏
I’m in a similar boat, started a 3 month IV Heroin habit back, not even sure why. And I went and bought some premier recommended red Bali from a boutique kratom store where I live, but a head shop. Blessed to have access to such a store first off. But I’m scared to just take the kratom and nothing more. I’m sitting here fighting doing a cotton shot just cause. I just took two teaspoons ( that clear plastic sooon they give you with your cup of powder kratom ) not sure but I think that’s 5 grams worth? Wish I understood the measuring system a little better. But I wanted to write this to you, even though I don’t know you, you are not alone. My habit may not have been for very long but there’s still the intense fear of the hell if H withdrawal. I have fought opiates on and off for 14 years. I keep telling myself I need to give myself a chance, I’ll be honest I was taking 4 OPMS capsules from a head shop for a good year before I got back on the H. And I started taking those outa shear curiosity. I had been clean clean off of everything for a good 6 months before taking the kratom opms ( purple leaf logo ) and I think I just bought a two pack and pooped em because that’s what we do as addicts or at least I do. I try and use or find that one manageable drug. Sigh
Do it kratom is a game changer
I take two caps for full blown anxiety attacks – works like a charm.
What strain do u use? I have anxiety so bad and have for yrs. but PANIC ATTACKS are always peering around the corner. I’m 48 yrs. old and 275 Ibs. Male. What strains should try what dose. I’m also on Subs one strip a day. Was in a car accident that left me paralyzed on the R side I have Server nerve damage from the 5 surgery’s I had. Please any help will help