Dosage Conversion Chart

Please be aware that the below charts reflect estimates and not exact measurements consistent across all kratom vendors. While it is recommended that you buy a scale to correctly measure your kratom, these charts offer support for those who are unable to do so.

When measuring an extract, we strongly recommend purchasing a small digital scale as they often have a significantly higher degree of variability.

 

Average Powdered Leaf
MEASUREMENT OUNCES
1 gram 0.035 ounces
50 grams 1.75 ounces
100 grams 3.5 ounces
Crushed Leaf
MEASUREMENT GRAMS
1 Tablespoon 2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon .9 grams
Bali Powder
MEASUREMENT GRAMS
1 Tablespoon 6.2 grams
1 Teaspoon 2.3 grams
Maeng Da Powder
MEASUREMENT GRAMS
1 Tablespoon 7 grams
1 Teaspoon 2.6 grams
Crushed Leaf
MEASUREMENT GRAMS
1 Tablespoon 2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon .9 grams
Green Malay Powder
MEASUREMENT GRAMS
1 Tablespoon 6.9 grams
1 Teaspoon 2.4 grams

173 thoughts on “Dosage Conversion Chart

  1. Hi I am currently coming off of Alcohol for a very long time.
    I would like to use Kratom in the evenings to help with my cravings so I don’t relapse until I have a better hang of life without booze. I ordered some red bali. it hasn’t arrived yet but what dosage would anyone recommend for evening or do I start earlier?. I am female, 5’8 and slender. Don’t know if that makes a difference. Also is it better on empty stomach?
    Any help would be SO appreciated.

    1. Hi there! First off, gratz on quitting the booze! I am a year off it and if it weren’t for kratom, I doubt I would have succeeded. My favorite types are the white and red veined Maeng Da for energy, and the yellow for when I just want to smile. I take exactly 1 tsp of the MD about 30 min to an hour after waking up on an empty stomach and then eating about 45 min to an hour afterwards. I’ll take a half tsp of the slower vein (like the yellow) about 6-8 hours later and I’m good to go! No booze for over a year doing it this way. At first the withdrawals were almost unbearable, so give yourself time to be completely unsociable and just watch tv or play Big Fish games until you start feeling like you can socialize again without feeling completely awkward, clumsy or just plain grouchy af. Stay away from hard drinking friends and family until you have a good grip on it! AA was a complete fail for me, because I’m NOT religious and very much an introvert. Make sure you find a trusted vendor with quality kratom and you will be living again in no time. Hope this helped, and good luck!

    2. Hiya! First of all gratz on quitting the booze! I quit over a year ago and without kratom I seriously doubt I could have stopped, or stayed off of it. I take exactly 1 tsp of the white (or red) Maeng Da powder about 30 min to an hour after getting up, then a half tsp of yellow (or whatever your favorite slower strain is) about 6-8 hours later. I have been doing this every day for over a year now and in all honesty it probably saved my life. For the first few weeks all I could do was watch tv or play Big Fish games to try and help with the ungodly feelings of withdrawals, even with the help of kratom. AA did NOT work because I’m not at all religious and I’m very much the introvert. Try and steer clear of your heavy drinking friends and family, at least until you have a good grip on it. Also, make sure you find a trustworthy vendor with high quality kratom. There are 50 scammers for every honest vendor so do your research! I wish you the very best of luck and again a BIG gratz to you!!

    3. Okay, I thought my first response was deleted, so I wrote another one. I’m not crazy, just stupid. =/

    4. I would start with about 1.5 tsp wait about 45 minutes and see how you feel. 1.5 tsps is roughly around 5 to 6 grams

  2. Hi everyone. New to Kratom and needing some advice on dosages for Rising Phoenix Green Phoenix 600mg (if I’m correct, bottle says 1 serving is 5 caps=3000mg) capsules. Due of 9+years of chronic back pain, sciatica, and now bulging disks from a car wreck, I’ve made my way through basically every form of Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, Tramadol, Tyl. 3 & 4, and Talwin and built up a tolerance. Nowadays, my limit is 7-8 50mg Tramadol maybe 2x a day, anymore at one time would probably make me puke. Can anyone guide me in correct dosages based on my tolerance level with this brand of capsule? Thanks in advance!

    1. Is it the Maeng Da? That is usually a strong type. If it’s an extract then you will have to play around with the dosage to see what edges the pain away. The amount of capsules you will need will depend on the strength of the Kratom.

      The easiest and cheapest way I have found is to purchase crushed leaves use about 9-10 grams. Put it in 2.5 cups of water. Cover it and bring it to a boil for 5 minutes. let it steep for 8-10. Strain then drink. (I pour it over ice because I have a Histamine reaction to the steam. Puffy eyes scratchy throat.)

      The effects usually start in 15 minutes.

      Try this vendor. I use them. They are cheap, quick and have high quality product. They use a Venmo and facebook pay services. (which sucked until i got an account)

      Reply back and lets see how it goes.

    2. Hello Monica, New to Kratom Myself, !st time use about a month ago. Tried to research the different strains and their effects. my primary interest is opiate withdraw also. Got very lucky and found a local source. I’ve only used 2 strains, Yellow sumatra and and yellow vietnamese. Have not seen a lot of these strains available i was told their new. I’m 6’0″, 200lbs 57 yrs. i dose with 3 level Tsp, 2 to 3 times a day. (it was a shot in the dark actually) but it works well for me. no withdraw, no chronic pain, acute ? yes but i can handle acute. lets me know my bodies limitations. These strains are strong first couple of doses. i very much agree with moderation advice. Start with a minimal dose until you find what works for you. good luck to you.

  3. Just want to write down a couple things that may help some people looking to kratom.

    I am 25 years old, been struggling with heroin addiction since I was 19. I’ve had periods of sobriety, and have fallen off multiple times. I want to tell anyone struggling or not struggling with opiate addiction, kratom IS NOT a cure all. It can be used instead of prescription opiate medication, but beware some of the side effects of repeated kratom use can be the exact same and as unpleasant.

    If you have ever been through opiate withdrawals before, then you probably know about the agony I am speaking of. I used Kratom for months daily, and also for about a month 3 times a week and have experienced withdrawals both times. Obviously not as strong as when I was IV’ing a half gram a day, but the same restlessness, sweats, chills, etc. come into effect with kratom withdrawal.

    I think it can be beneficial as a SHORT TERM thing, but just know that kratom will cause withdrawals VERY similar to opiate withdrawals.

    Would I choose kratom over opiates? Yes.
    Would I choose sobriety over both? Yes.

  4. So anyone here is is not previously an opiate user what kind of dosage sizes are you taking to get an effect? I mostly want to take it for anxiety and depression relief. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks

    1. BustySue I would start out with 4 grams. You may want to buy Red Maeng da. Did you already purchase it?

    2. I started out with one teaspoon, worked fine for several months, now I do 1/2 tablespoon (or & 1/2 teaspoons) twice, sometimes 3x a day. This is about 4 grams. I almost always use red strains for my back pain, but it does wonders for your attitude too. My advice to you is to buy from a reputable internet supplier, do not buy the garbage in head shops or gas stations. I don’t know if recommending certain vendors is allowed here, if so let me know, I deal with the most reputable, highest quality source out of Boise.

      1. cap em quick and 00 capsuls are the best way to package them and eat them. I use it works good. I take kratom every day for extreme pain

      2. Hey was wondering if you can give me the name of the place in Boise..I am in Nampa so that would be great!

    3. Newbie safe dose model

      I’m part of a group of about 20 people, equally male and female, of widely varying body types and ages from 18 to nearly 80, all of us recently experimenting with ingested fine powder kratom, and all of us neophytes. We’ve experienced much support for your warning: “Caution: People vary in sensitivity to kratom, and kratom from different sources can vary in potency (sometimes quite a lot), so these dosage estimates should be regarded as loose approximations…”

      In the interest of avoiding bad first experiences, I requested data from all of them and have produced this model which seems to work well:

      A good safe dose of fine kratom powder ingested, based on typical body fat proportions in men and women,* is 1 level teaspoon (2.25g) per 75# for men, and 100# for women, of whatever was their minimum healthy adult body weight. This compensates for differing body sizes and fat proportions.

      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage#Typical_body_fat_amounts

  5. One of the greatest things about using Kratom now for my chronic pain disease is that the opiates are not in control anymore. I have an unfortunate soft spot for them and I would run out early. Naturally this kicked off a massive pain flare in addition to the withdrawal symptoms from opiates and I was remorseful every time. I didn’t doctor shop or double dip or use street drugs but I was horribly irresponsible and unsafe with my allotted amount each month. Ironically it was this pattern of abuse that precipitated me just giving up on pain meds altogether. I always had a half of a pill set aside for my pain management appointment and the day I forgot to take it was the day I was screened. Of course I was clean and even though the pain doc had specifically told me I was to use them only as needed I still had a contract that said I would have it in my system anytime I was tested. He fired me and I didn’t pursue another doctor. (I was down to 2 Percocet a day when he was my doctor. Previously it had been the OxyContin with Percocet for breakthrough pain or MS Contin with morphine for the breakthrough but I wanted to limit my access and requested far less when I saw him) It was about that time that I first learned of Kratom. I’m so thankful.
    I’ll be honest, I’d be off meds and still crave them but the craving is gone with Kratom. The pain is a 2 on a daily basis instead of a 6. My flares are few and far between and I haven’t been seen in an er for intractable pain and related hypertension in months. It’s amazing to me. My organs aren’t in danger of failing anymore because I’m dumb and can’t moderate myself. I have no desire to drink now even though I didn’t drink much before. I can do house work again and play with my kids. It’s saved me.

    I tore my Achilles and was given Vicodin and when I took it, even if I took it wrong, it did NOTHING. No euphoria whatsoever. I’ve learned since that cross tolerance is the reason for that but Its not an issue because I didn’t even use half. I actually disposed of them and didn’t hesitate.

    I’m a bit worried about the cost eventually but I’ll cross that bridge when I get there. I really can’t report getting sleepy, having energy or euphoria or any of the effects that people report aside from pain control and that’s okay by me. I’m scared to take more than I do because I don’t want to get nauseous. Anyone else have this?

    1. How much Keaton did you take to Eliminate your WD. I been taking 30mg oxycodone once a day and 60mg OxyContin 3 times a day. How much to diminish my WD? I have purchased 3lbs of maang Da red vein powder. Thank you so much.

      1. Take 5 grams to start and if you don’t feel great in 15-30 min just take another 5, or 10, or 20. You’ll overdose from pot faster than kratom. Its a world away from the poison Oxycontin. If you don’t feel great just take more, people say it helped… It doesn’t help, it all the way fixes it if you take enough. I went from curled up dope sick from heroin to feeling as good as I do on dope but not all fucked up. Enjoy the rest of your life and feel free to contact me if ya need advice.

        1. Hi I’m Mike, I’m on a lot of oxycodone and morphine, I have abused this month’s script as I can’t tell you why. Cause I don’t know. I have also been taking kratom for about 3 or 4 years now. Will taking kratom and morphine keep me out of withdrawal until I get my next script. I’ve never run out before but been though withdrawal before. So was just wondering if I take my morphine as I have a lot of that so I could double up on a dose of two if needed keel me out of withdrawal. I have about 9-10 ounces of kratom all different types. Red, green, white, all mang da

    2. Yes they make me nauseous two I take 1/2 gram at a time total gram a day and there’s no reason to go higher unless it’s urgent but only temporarily.

    3. I went cold turkey off my Morphine. It took 30 days of horrible withdrawal. When I told my doctor I had gone cold turkey, he came unglued. I now realize I should have slowly come off the Morphine. My caregiver at the time had taken my prescription to the pharmacy and then in the process, lost my prescription. Of course, I reported the loss. I wanted to make sure that my caregiver was not using my script. I am a happy camper now. No Narcotics. I live in Oregon where MJ is fully available. But, no more for me. I love the Kratom and now hangover from the use, I pray the drug companies do not take this drug and turn it against us.

      1. Im 60 yrs old, have come off heroin, methadone, morphine, dilaudid, among others. 30 days of withdrawal is BS. Either your mind is very weak or you are lying. It takes nowhere near 30 days to get past withdrawal of anything. BTW, I was using over 100 mg of MS along with 50-60 mg oxy, and shooting a bun or better of heroin daily as well last time I got arrsted, and withdrawal is over in 7-10 days max. SMH at some of the bullshit I read on here. “30 days of horrible withdrawal” lmao.

  6. This change in CDC policy will certainly increase Suicides going forward. Nobody needs to tell me or suggest how to deal with Chronic Pain! 1989 began my Agonizing life with pain, and having 11 surgeries increased pain,not to mention RSDS, or chronic regional pain syndrom, stenosis cervical spine, lumbar spine, for many years tried therapy, accupuncture, and Yes even a spinal stimulator implant, All had little effect. The new CDC policy will Destroy what little life value I have had!

  7. Hello and thank you for this group.

    I am a 57 yr old male. 215 lbs, 6’2″ in height.
    Been on a Fentynal patch 100 mcg every 72 hrs for the past 15 yrs. Suffer from fail back syndrome with chronic LBP and neuropathy. I don’t take any other mess.

    I’m done. Can’t take the side effects and chains of opioids anymore and I’m no longer sure what kind of pain I really have.

    I’d like some guidance getting started. Purchased .5 kilo of Bali Red powder. I have a scale. What doseage should I shoot for and when should I start to wean?

    I’m extremely motivated to get this underway.
    Thanks

    1. Hi Chris:
      I am by no means an expert but sometimes getting answers here are rather slow. First thing I would do is join a Kratom group on Facebook. There is 24hr support and advice there. I am on my 3rd day opiate free and I am feeling great- really. Very minimal symptoms and have gone to work all three days. I’m amazed. The dosage I had to play with. I started out with too much and got nauseated. I found that 3.5 grams every few hours has worked for me. I’ve even been sleeping. The Facebook group I joined is called Kratom (new and current users).

    2. With your tolerance to pain meds, I would start with 2 grams three times daily. I was on 15mg morphine twice a day and four percocet 5mg four times daily and now I supplement it with 3.5g of Red Fibro from pabotanicals.com great stuff

      1. Hello there! I’m fairly new to Kratom. I’ve been taking a level teaspoon sometimes less than a teaspoon, 2-3x day of green maeng da. I decided to capsule it in 00 gel caps. How many will I take for one dose?

        1. Hello my name is mike. I use kratom every day for severe back pain in upper and lower spine. If theres any questions or advice I can help you with just email me. I have every day level 8 pain and the bad days is level 10 pain. I use cap-em-quick pill maker with 00 capsuls and make my own. I take 4 grams when i get up at 7 am then again at 1 pm and again at 7 pm upping the dose by 1 to 2 grams every time. So 4 grams at 7am, then at 1pm 6 grams and 7pm Ill take between 7 and 8 grams every single day. This reduces my pain level to almost nothing. My quality of life is 99% better then when I was taking prescription pills.

          1. Hi mike can u send contact info please. I’m about to cut the pd loose tiered or chasing pills. I do need them for pain and not for addiction ( tho it doesn’t matter what u need it for ) just mite be a difference in dosage. Thanks allot

          2. Hi Mike. I’m so excited I just received my Kratom and have been reading the blog. Yours especially interests me because it sounds like you have similar pain problems; I’ve had disc surgery, they want to do more with spacers and fusing( which I don’t want to do), and all those other degenerative things, arthritis….blah blah 🙂 I’m so tired of taking Norco and the ups and downs. I took my first dose today about 4pm of Kratom about 1.5 teaspoons of red maeng da with applesauce and I did feel it quite a bit but not in a bad way. I felt so relaxed and I actually just sat and watched tv for over an hour without getting up! I need to figure out my dosage wondering if I should take more tonight. Ok, now, my question for you – how many capsules does it take each time you do your dosage? I took the Kratom today with applesauce and almost gagged so I’m thinking capsules but sounds like it will take a lot. I’m so glad it is working for you! That is fantastic. Being in pain sucks. Appreciate your input. Cindy from California

  8. I’ve been dabbling a little, keeping things at ~1 to 1.5g, trying different types. I had some around dinner time a couple weeks ago, and then realized I’d have to go to sleep soon. I am, unfortunately, “hooked” on Ambien for sleep, and I was afraid to take one. After trying to go without, I eventually took an Ambien for sleep. Are their any strains that are good for sleep?

    1. Green vein about 4 grams will give very good sleep. It also helped me get off of oxycodone. Good luck.

    2. The best veins by far for sleep, pain, and anxiety are going to be in the Red family. Red is the most opiate like. Green is a balance of energy and pain relief. White is the most energizing least pain relieving. Red Bentuangie, for example, is great for sleep. 🙂

  9. Hi everyone,

    I am looking for recommendations on types of Kratom for Pain AND energy. I have Fibromyalgia, Cervical Stenosis, Herniated Discs in Lower Back, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome to name a few. Pain and Fatigue are the biggest issues. I was prescribed Hydrocodone 10mg 4X a day for 12 years, and about 4 months ago switched to Oxycodone 10mg 4X a day due to tolerance issues and me finally saying the “Hydrocodone isn’t working!”. However, now I’ve noticed the pain is increasing and I can’t take it. I don’t want to be dependent on painkillers. I just need RELIEF. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, Thank You!

    1. Hey, I would look into a book called “Back Mechanic” by Stuart McGill for how to deal with your back issues. And I believe the red stem varieties are best for pain. Some distributors list the different benefits of the various strains. So search around for one of those. All the best, and it is possible to reduce that pain, and it doesn’t require costly therapies or surgery. This book was a life saver for me. I have a herniated discs in my lumbar as well as stenosis. This book simply allows you to find your pain triggers, and guide you towards exercises that will be suited for your unique back issues.

  10. First thing is that if you are using this substance to get off of opiates, it’s important to buy a scale that measures grams. It’s really not that much of an investment to get yourself out of the situation you are in and do it correctly.
    I take Kratom for opiate withdrawal and I’m sorry to say that I withdraw just about every month when my meds run out. It’s not ideal but it’s the situation. Anyway, I take 10 grams 3x per day (sometimes 4 if it’s really bad) for the first few days and then I can bring it down several grams over the next few days. If you are on Kratom straight up and no more opiates then you should plan to need Kratom for a block of time.
    Red Vein Borneo is by far the best for opiate withdrawal and I have tried them all. I find that the literature and advice online is severely lacking when it comes to dosage. Primarily with regard to how many times per day. Many will tell you the number of grams to take but not tell you how many times to dose that during the day to keep withdrawals from creeping in on you. This stuff works, it really does but dosing properly is essential.
    Start smaller and work up. My advice is a red vein strain starting at 6 grams on an empty stomach. After 30 minutes to an hour you will know what this dose is doing for you. 4-6 hours after your initial dose you will need to dose again and you will now adjust according to your experience. If it wasn’t enough, go up a gram. If you felt too much nausea or anything else unpleasant, back off a little. Your body will adjust to this substance over time and if you are getting any negatives they will dissipate. I know that compared to what some say, dosing up to 30-40 grams over a 24 hour period sounds like a lot. But it is what I require to stave off withdrawal hell and I must say I am not sick, I have no anxiety, I have no pain and I have no cravings. Kratom is what’s up but you’ve got to take the right amount in the right increments.

    1. I agree completely. It’s not unheard of for people in SouthEast Asia to dose up to two ounces a day. That is quite a lot. But considering opiate cross tolerance with kratom, it’s not that much. One ounce I mean. Kratom got me off of morphine nice and easy.

    2. Thank you for this info. I bought the red vein Maeng Da Thai to try to withdraw but will get some Bali if there is a big difference. I haven’t fully jumped into it -after all my life isn’t completely ruined yet just nearly. I am trying to cut down from my 160-200 mg/day oxycodone and the best I have done is down to 120mg for the past few days. I weigh about 115 -don’t know if that matters. Does it make sense to take some Kratom in-between doses of pills as I cut down? There is so little info out there about exactly how to do this. Yours is the best explanation I’ve read. I will be out of pills and money in the next day or so and will have to switch completely over to the Kratom. Any help or encouragement or advice is appreciated. I’m much too old (62) to be going through this again. I kicked heroin and methadone 30 years ago. I started back on the narcotics due to surgeries about two years ago.

      1. Hello, my opinion is you should’ve been dead just like I should’ve been dead from overdosing on oxy which I was taking 20/7.5s 3×a day. I switched over to suboxone thinking it would be better and it was great until I went through withdrawal trying to come off subs they are horrible but the truth is I switched to kratom and walla I am clean and sober never even experienced withdrawal symptoms and I have been on opiates for over 10 yrs. You need to reach that breaking point like I did and know it’s either death or great clean and sober feelings

        1. Thanks for your reply and yes, somehow I have managed to stay alive despite what I have put my body through. I had a horrible time getting the Kratom down with the taste and then nausea so I gave up for awhile but ready to try again. I’ve ordered some capsules which should have been here yesterday but I guess the current weather everywhere has delivery delayed. Thanks for the encouragement.

          1. Have you.tried making tea? There are.some easy recipes.online. after.boiling kratom and letting it.steep a few, i strain water (with facecloth to catch plant particles) and using the hot water to make black tea or coffee..add sugar, milk and much easier to digest. You can also use heated Kratom 1 or 2 extra times but potency decreases.

          2. Hi Debra…I use Kratom for huge back pain. The best way I’ve found to take it is in a glass full of chocolate Insure. It is thick enough to keep the powder suspended and the chocolate flavor really masks the funky taste. I hope this helps you a bit and all the best to you on your quest. There is hope. Lenny

          3. I just looking for help on starting kratom for opiate withdrawal. I have some, but I have no idea how much to take and I’m out of my doc. Can anyone help me?

          4. Debra, just read your post and wanted to see how this was working for you. I’m officially out of oxy so instead of getting more I need to be done! Really hoping kratom will help with wd they scare the heck out of me. I’ve gotten my oxycodone down to 5 times a day 7.5mg/ basically every 5-6hrs. Any advice on how many capsules I might start with?

        2. Thank you Joe for your experience. I, too thought subs were a life saver, until… There my worse nightmare. I’ve been using the red vein Maeng Da, and I feel great. I’ve wasted so much time and money on Suboxone and I’m sorry the day I ever started them. Like you, I’ve reached my breaking point.

      2. Hi Debra. Hope your efforts are going well. I have only a moment right now so I just want to wish you luck. I would suggest using something other than Maeng Da but it will work. I will leave a more detailed response tomorrow about why I prefer Borneo/ Bali.

        1. Thanks for your quick reply. I lost this thread until now so didn’t see it until this morning. I did not do well with the Kratom because I just couldnt get it down. I managed a dose which I don’t even know what effect I felt but woke up that night projectile vomiting. So I gave up for then since it was an extremely busy time at work and did not seem likely that I would stick it out. So it’s a month later and I placed an order for the capsules- both Bali and Maeng Da -should have been delivered yesterday but because of weather is stuck somewhere. I have enough pills to get me through a few days but I’m looking forward to trying again. Everything I have read everywhere has said the Kratom works for opiate withdrawal but I have to give it a chance for it to work for me. I would like to hear more from you about the strains and how to set myself up for success rather than falling back on excuses. Also, I’m wondering if there are other things I can use either rx or herbal that would help. For instance, I have 70 tramadol but don’t know if those would be helpful and if so, how I would incorporate them. I also keep pot on hand. I appreciate your willingness to share your experience with me (and others). Helpful and substantiated info just isn’t that available so I thank you in advance.

          1. I mixed the powdered kratom with orange juice and that works well. I tried tea coffie tinture and this was by far the best way for me

          2. I’m now on my third day and feeling great. Shockingly well. I had to do capsules and that is working for me. Took a little to find the right dosage but so far, so good. I’m amazed. I should be sick as a dog.

      3. Don’t use the opiates in conjunction with Kratom because of cross tolerance. I couldn’t figure out why I didn’t feel a thing when I took my pills and I was on Kratom and it’s because the Kratom cancels out the opiate and you’ll build a tolerance to the opiate. Alternate days if you need to but don’t put pills in between doses.
        It’s surprising how much Kratom really does. It’s like magic.

    3. Alright so this is my first time ordering Kratom I order 2 onces of maeng da which comes to about 56 grams. I been taking tramadol for about 6 months now and I hate it when I run out of medicine the pain is too much to handle and I would love to get off this using kratom. There isn’t much info out there when it comes to the right amount to take daily in grams . What would be the right dosage to take daily and how many grams per pill would be recommended? Any help would be appreciated.

    4. Hey haron I myself came off perk 30s (blues) about 2 to 3 a day with suboxone I haven’t touched any pain pills in atleast 6 months but I have been on the subs for a while started tapering off I’m down to a quarter a day once a day I just ordered 178 grams of the meng da my question is since I never used kratom or anything do I have to wait to use it or can I just start it right away? I really don’t wanna go see the devil (withdrawl) best way I can put that lol cause that’s basically what it is straight hell

      1. Hey,
        You can start taking it as soon as you stop. It hits similar receptors and does block some of the effects (in my experience-2months so far) Start with 4-6grams(level teaspoon) . I found Bali mixed w.white.md to be the most helpful strain.

  11. If I just finished taking Percocet 5/325 for pain yesterday…can I take O.P.M.S. Kratom silver Maeng Da with my Mega Man vitamins today? Is anyone aware of any interaction. Also how many should I take for my back muscle pain?

      1. I don’t think the person meant they only took one, I think they meant a course of treatment or longer but that was the most being taken at one time. The info is vague but this was my take on it.

  12. I have to say I’ve really enjoyed reading all of your comments! It’s interesting to hear your testimonies and experiences with kratom. What a cool little community we have here! The marijuana lovers have a whole scene, society, and culture… I hope soon we will have a wonderful KRATOM LOVERS community/hub! I can only imagine what that world will look like! What will our logo be? Let’s not just hijack the weed-scenes images and phrases, but make our own! I like to draw I should take a little kratom and get doodling! Let’s build this together! 🙂 I love you all.

    1. Hi Derek! I appreciate your positivity! I have been a daily user for about three years. I I am diabetic, and suffer from neuropathy. However, Kratom has certainly done more for me than help alleviate pain. I am certain it has helped my depression, and I mean a lot! Also, my focus issues are much reduced. I am a fan, and I am happy that it will remain legal for now. My hopes are it stays that way.

      I’ll do whatever I can to help you start a community! This plant deserves it! It also deserves much respect, in my opinion. Kratom’s ability to help people either overcome, or at least properly manage, many different conditions that hinder a good life is astounding. I think as it is studied more in the coming years, many great things can come from its use.
      As a community, we should be proper advocates for it… Positive representatives.
      I’m in!

    2. I like reading all the info thats posted. I use Kratom. I am just learning.
      How do I join your Kratom Family.?
      For our cannabis we do have several pages on FB.
      Do they have a Kratom page on FB?
      I use both.
      My testimony is so long.
      Right now I would just like to get to know people using Kratom. Not to many in the cannabis world do both.

      Thanks
      Kathy

      1. Hello all! It’s been wonderful to read all these amazing Kratom stories. I have been using Kratom daily for about 3-4 years now. My experiences so far have been amazing pertaining to Kratom’s pain relieving properties. I injured my knee at a concert and I’m a caretaker for my brother who has Spinal Muscular Atrophy. Helping my brother and having a pretty intense physical work scene definitely puts a strain on my back and knee. I recently purchased an inversion table for my back. I’m not here to promote them, but they most assuredly work for stretching your muscles and taking pressure off the spine.
        Since I live in Denver CO, I use both cannabis and Kratom. There are quite a bit of people who use Kratom AND use cannabis. I take 3 natural thai pills from Urban Ice when I wake up, and 3 more when I get to work at 3 pm. I work in the food industry and Kratom doesn’t stop me from excelling at work with either focus or energy. I swear buy this stuff!

      2. I went cold turkey off my Morphine. It took 30 days of horrible withdrawal. When I told my doctor I had gone cold turkey, he came unglued. I now realize I should have slowly come off the Morphine. My caregiver at the time had taken my prescription to the pharmacy and then in the process, lost my prescription. Of course, I reported the loss. I wanted to make sure that my caregiver was not using my script. I am a happy camper now. No Narcotics. I live in Oregon where MJ is fully available. But, no more for me. I love the Kratom and now hangover from the use, I pray the drug companies do not take this drug and turn it against us.

  13. Just started Kratom yesterday. I have been on opiates for over 20 years. Drs are trying to wean me down even though I have RA and Ankylosing Spondilytis as well. I got Maeng Da yesterday. I packed the powder into capsules. I have been taking 3 tablets at a time. However I notice I have been having a pounding headache. Am I taking too much at one time? How many should I take and how many times a day? I have a high tolerance for pain meds but I know Kratom works differently. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    1. I feel like headaches often accompany new opiods… I particularly remember having what felt like a slight headache and general “off feeling” when I started buprenorphine “therapy”… for quite a long time. I personally feel like it had to do with my eyes [changed or adjusting?] ability to respond to brightness of lights, and such. Could have just been a personal thing though.

      1. It’s not that kind of headache. It feels like my head is gonna explode. I was up all night holding my head and crying. This morning I blew my nose and it is full of blood. I’m also very nauseated. I feel horrible. Any suggestions??

        1. Hi Lisa, headaches and nosebleeds could be side effects of dehydration. Kratom is a diuretic, which will cause some hydration loss in your body. How much water do you drink per day?

          1. You get headaches when you come off opiates for 2 or 3 weeks happen to me everytime all day everday my guess thats orob what its from..wvstuakmy it goes away amd drink lots of water

        2. Have you checked your blood pressure when you feel like this? Headache accompanied by a bloody nose or ringing ears is a common symptom of high BP

      2. I found kratom headaches don’t occur on days when I abstain from any alcohol. … I’m new user tho so maybe just coincidence? The end of kratom days that I have even one beer result in terrible headaches. …..

    2. It’s not that kind of headache. It feels like my head is gonna explode. I was up all night holding my head and crying. This morning I blew my nose and it is full of blood. I’m also very nauseated. I feel horrible. Any suggestions??

      1. Stop taking it for a couple of days!! Then, if you want to try it again (which I’m not sure I would with such scary side effects), try a MUCH SMALLER DOSAGE.

        You don’t give any indication how much each capsule you’re taking has in it. Do you know? You should not take another dose of Kratom until you know the exact dosage in grams that you are taking. And I would start with a ridiculously small dosage and work up to the dosage you need for pain relief that doesn’t give you bad side effects.

        1. The headache problem sent me to Urgent Care. I received a shot of Toridol and Phenagren. Immediately felt better. I’m not really sure how much is in each capsule I take. I buy the pills already filled. I have been taking 4-6 at a time. Things are much better. I did realize that I’m always thirsty which someone said it is a diuretic so that explains why. How often should these be taken in a day? I haven’t been able to find the exact level I need. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

          1. Hello friends,

            I was dumping my family’s money into oxy for decades. I found and started experimenting with kratom about two years ago. Let me tell you this first. You will become addicted to it however it’s much easier to kick than others and it has very few side effects. Constipation and dehydration really is all. Please do not buy capsels. Usually 15 grams worth of caps is around 20 – 35$ and at a decent pipe shop or head shop a oz. or 28 Grams of powder is only 10 – 20$. One heaping teaspoon of any kind will diminish the WD symptoms to almost none for me. And would use that every 3 hours for about a month. When you first wake up the day after quitting pills, and yes you will sleep, take 2 tsps and one three hours after that. It helps with the non physical symptoms. Anyway now I prefer kratom to pills. It’s different and better. I’ve heard of people getting the nods off of it but let me tell you, kratom has a self regulation system built in, if you take too much or get too strong of stuff you’ll feel like crap for an hour. Nothing like WD but still not good. I’ve had some amazing reds that with 7 grams is amazing but 7.5 is horrible 😊Either way it’s a wonder cure for me and WILL get you through. Oh one more thing, if you have a choice for detoxing these people are right, reds or even a yellow is great but if you can only find a white or meng da, get it anyway. You’ll need just a tiny bit more to go from the get stuff done mode and into the relax and chill mode. It’s fun to experiment with all the different types and brands. GET OFF THE MAD MADE DRUGS.

        2. I get headaches if the kratom is not good quality. Sometimes even a batch of my regular kratom randomly will give me a headache. It is just a bad batch. Idk what happens to it but it happens. So yeah try different kratom!

    3. You are not taking enough. To get off opiates use red vein strains and use ground powder 2 tablespoons in whatever drink you can choke it down in

      1. Actually reading what happened more closely. Kratom should never have those effects if it is pure unadulterated product. See a Dr.

    4. Hi Lisa,
      One of the reasons you could be getting headaches is due to dehydration. Both opiates and kratom dehydrate you. How much weight are in your capsules? Also.. Only speaking from my experience with taking kratom to wean off of opiates.. I had to take around 10 grams at the least every day until withdraws got better.. Since your still taking pain meds I would take around 5 grams and see how you feel from there. Kratom has helped me kick opiate addiction and manage my severe depression and anxiety.. Also I have terrible back pain and kratom has helped tremendously!

      1. Kratom is very dehydrating. I had these symptoms until I started consuming a lot of water with kratom. I take 15 to 20 grams of Kratom a day and I drink over a hundred ounces of water a day. Otherwise the dehydration symptoms are unbearable.

      2. I have taken kratom to stave off oxycodone withdrawal but I’m unsure as to how many days to take the kratom to avoid withdrawal altogether. I’m on day 3 of kratom 3g twice a day. How many days do I take it until I can stop the kratom as well so I’m not taking anything anymore? Please please advise!!!!

    5. Kratom in lower doses can act as more of a stimulant than opioid. Usually 5 grams or more is recommended to pass the bbb and get that sweet sweet opi effect. I assume your caps are either .5g or 1g. It’s likely that you should be upping tour dose.

  14. I have broke my ribs several times and tried all types of pain pills, but anyone that has been through this knows they will not kill all pain. (beside killing your liver) I was turned on to kratom red vein and tried it, I was amazed at how well it worked for the pain, and also gave me energy. I am a aircraft mechanic and was able to work with 2 broken ribs, still some pain but was able to work!i will state that this stuff is a , god send and recommend it to anyone!i usually take apprx. 1 1/2 tbs.in morning and same at noon, and good to go the rest of the day. ihave had no side effects,and am truly happy with results

  15. Hello folks. I have tried the Kratom. I want to give it another chance but I am not sure what happened with me. I started getting these fluid filled blisters,not unlike chicken pox.On my face,arms and shoulders.Its like its seeping out through my skin.When the fluid disappears I get a scab formation and it has taken forever for them to heal. Now, am I allergic to it? Is this normal? I bought the extract and capsules. Tea made me sleep well but I need some pain relief which I did not get. I want to try it again but with the unsitely blisters I am almost afraid to. I have RA and I have had several back surgeries. Please comment .

    1. This happened to me after taking Aleve one day.. I used to take it one a week or so and then one day bam… crazy bad things like you describe all over the trunk of my body. It could’ve been many things. I don’t know if their is much scientific research done on kratom yet. But Aleve stays in your brain for about 6 months!!! That’s how long it took me to get over the sores. I just tried kratom for the first time literally 3 minutes ago so I really hope this doesn’t happened to me!!!

      1. Yes, I have to agree! I realize this is an older post, but for anyone reading this now please know that NSAID’s can and do stay in your system for a lot longer than you might think. I’ve unfortunately had reactions to Aleve, Mobic, Ibruprofen, and all generics (and the generic versions thereof). I have Chronic pain and I’m always taking some sort of pain relief. Little did I know how harmful even the OTC stuff can be! Luckily I found a great G.I. doc who said no more NSAIDs (I finally figured it out thanks to him). I won’t lie, it’s still tempting to go for an Aleve/etc. sometimes because I have so much inflammation, but I don’t take them anymore. I got into the slump of taking way too much Tylenol/acetaminophen, but that has its (major) risks as well (not to mention it just isn’the effective for my type of pain at times), so I’m always on the lookout for safer options. It’s a daily battle, but I take omega supplements and I drink turmeric tea to try keep the inflammation at bay. It helps! I hope you’re feeling better by now. Be well!

    2. Go to the doctor and get a thorough physical along with blood tests because you got to be sure that nothing bacteria OR viral OR allergic is going on.

    3. I second the “see a doctor” comment to make sure you’re not allergic… But perhaps you could try different strains and vein colors? Maybe even try buying from a different vendor all-together?

  16. Gelatin caps are available at vitamin or health stores. Solaray 00 caps when packed properly hold about a gram of powder leaf.

  17. hi all, a good way to help miminize tolerance is a magnesium supplement, it has NMDA antagonist effects, which are the primary opiod tolerance regulators. and strain rotation will help also.

  18. I take about 3-6 grams a dose 3 times a day sometimes 4. The withdrawals kind of suck when you are off of it but it is still not very bad. This is what they are. Mildly upset stomach, sneezing, sometimes aches, bad fatigue, and depression. They usually last anywhere from 2-10 days depending on the amount you use. While you are on it everything starts to seem interesting, you get mild euphoria, sometimes energy depending on the strain, and a few more effects depending on the person. I have never had it give me dizzy eyes and I have not run out of this stuff in almost 5 years. 5 years ago when I started I took 3-6 grams a day. Exact same amount as today because every time I take over 5g I first get tired, and then I feel sick around 6g but only slightly woozy. Kratom just does not have bad enough side effects to be considered anything more than a natural mild mood enhancing drug. Long term side effects are so mild chances are you will not even notice them. But for those of us who are stuck in crappy lives this stuff makes life a little easier and sometimes even enjoyable. Sorry if I am not making much sense… I sort of toked up before I got on here and just sort of trailed off. Also you can still feel kratom when you’re baked so that’s a plus.

  19. I discovered kratom about a year ago when I was on the brink of destruction with alcohol. It has changed everything about my life, from giving me motivation and energy, to helping me sleep all the way through the night. I was taking club 13 extra strength capsules (which give me a very strong euphoric/energizing effects) I’ve recently started brewing tea as my ingestion method (much cheaper) but I can’t seem to get the same energizing/euphoric effects from the tea no matter how strong I make it or what strain I use. I’ve tried using enhanced leaf powder to make tea, even made my own kratom resin not the same effect as the club 13 capsules. Any thoughts?

    P.s. With the help of kratom And other herbal (natural) medications I have been sober for over 200 days. It is truly beautiful that nature provides us with these tools!

    1. alot of the alkaloids in kratom are non liquid soluble so the effects from tea are diminished

      1. Where did u get club 13 extra strength capsules from? I’d like to try some.
        Thanks

          1. Club 13 – a company that has been known to use RCs in their pills – I’d take a bet it wasnt the kratom that made you feel like that.

            I used to love a club 13 pill back in 09-10, was like cutting an X in half. After the RC bans started they disappeared from the shelves – like EVERYTHING club 13. I’ve slowly seen some of their products re-surfacing, but even my old favorite didnt provide the effects it had – proof to me this company was into using RCs.

            Stay away from club 13. Stay far away.

    2. AWESOME!!!
      So happy for you that you have found a way to an alcohol free life. God knows how hard it is to put the bottle down and to keep it down. I don’t know you but please know as life goes on and it gets easier and easier to continue on that path, remember there will absolutely be those days (bad day at work, family drama, etc.) when your want for that drink will be great and your willpower will be truly tested, know that their is a stranger in the world keeping you in her thoughts and prayers. Never stop the fight and if you do slip (hopefully your past the worst) tomorrow is a new day and its always the first day of the rest of your life.

      1. Lisa, that is a very beautiful, inspiring, and soulful reply. I, too, I have put down the bottle for close to a year. Thank God.

        Luke, you will remain in my thoughts also.

        1. I just started reading these posts, and I must say, you guys are very consoling to each other. I admire that empathy and I also wish everyone who is suffering from alcohol or opiate abuse the best of everything. I certainly have my addictive problems, presently taking Suboxone. I just found out about Kratom and bought a bag of capsules opms 30mg total I think I wasted the first capsules I took bc of Suboxone, so I will try no Suboxone and slowly take Kratom. This site is very informative so thank you

  20. kratom is a miracle…between work and two small children to care for, my wife and i have no health insurance either..(,we who have been suboxone patients for years, admittedly the therapy has saved our lives in itself regarding the suboxone, we go about it honestly and are extremely serious about our recovery). however neither of us want to be on suboxone for the rest of our lives, this is merely a personal choice mind you, some folks may need to remain on subs for a loooong time, everyone is different, unfortunately our choice is financially motivated more than anything, and the kratom has worked wonders, absolute blazing wonders in helping us to titrate, lower, and even skip our doses of suboxone on occasion, and its been a beautiful thing. but like anything else in nature, this gift must be respected, and it will take you a long way in its benefits. 2-3 grams of a red vein strain in the morning allows me relief from my suboxone for up to a whole work day, (sometimes an extra gram or two during the day depending on my metabolism at any given time, for it is quite high) and roughly 4 grams in the evening….someday ill part ways with suboxone and live a truly free life thanks to this miraculous piece of nature, until then i will take it slow, slow as i can go infact and i recommend the same approach to anyone…no sense in taking things to fast and wreaking unnecessary havoc or stress upon the body.

    1. I was on subs and methadone twice in my 35 years. I found suboxone is much easier to get off of because you can control your dose not the clinic. The first time on subs I was at 4, 8mg a day. Way too much. Tapered way to slow 2 years finally just stopped when I was down to just a chip. Felt like shit for 2 weeks still. 5 years later relapsed then went to a done clinic was at 100 mg of that for 2.5 years. Liquid handcuffs is the truth. Then went to subutex then suboxone. Just take as little as possible. Finally off again. Anyway it is possible even though it seems not. Kratom should help but be careful because it might bring your cravings for the strong stuff.

      1. Actually, because Kratom acts primarily at the Delta receptor, its not nearly as addictive as pharma type opiates. At higher doses there is more action at the Mu receptor. Both receptors provide for pain relief, but the Mu receptor agonism is what perpetuates addiction via cravings. I never feel a strong craving for Opiates or more Kratom while taking it. Its much more matter-of-fact… i.e. ‘My pain is returning, I may need to take a bit more Kratom soon.’… Rather than, ‘holy shit!…my opiate pain med is wearing off and I can’t wait for my next dose/fix!’ A very, very different feel. This is why I feel Kratom for pain, as well as depression, is so much safer than the heavy duty Pharmaceutical pain medications. But make no mistake, there is a physical dependency issue with chronic use. Keep doses moderate, take days off ( if you can when your pain isn’t as bad), and rotate strains to keep tolerance at bay.

        Having said that, withdrawal is nothing like opiates. Its much more mild, but a taper is recommended. Expect a sweaty feeling, muscle aches ( especially in forearms and legs) , some agitation, and even occasional muscle spasms. Some people also report dyshoria and RLS. If you experience any of the more serious symptoms, you are weaning too fast. Just take a little bit of Kratom, a gram or 2, to irradicate the worst symptoms and then continue on with your taper. Bets wishes to all, and remember…with Kratom, less is more. I recommend everyone chart their use on a tablet and use a scale ( around $15) to measure dosages accurately.

        1. I know this is an old post, but I just read it and you made me crack up laughing! Been depressed, so thanks for the laughs!!

    2. I have been addicted to kratom for several years. Don’t kid yourselves into thinking this is a miracle of any kind… addiction is addiction. My life was much better off before ever using kratom. Wake up.

      1. I’m addicted to cheeseburgers and ibuprofen….come on man. You can be addicted to anything. If people say it’s a miracle for them and can take little amounts and not feel like shit then let them call it a miracle. Just because you abused it doesn’t mean they have. People like you are making this product illegal in some states.

        1. I agree with Brandon, I felt my life was never going to be normal again after using prescription opiates for many years (all legal from back surgeries) and I wanted my old self back that I had before becoming “Opiate Zombie”. Kratom got me off opiates completely and I look forward to going into work again I’m more productive, focused and find myself actually talking to my employees when I’m at work and getting back those relationships we had before I fell into the opiate hole. I take my burn first thing in the morning and I’m good until after lunch when I’ll do a smaller burn with some OJ to finish out the workday and then when I get home I still have enough euphoria to take care of whatever it is I need to do at home, mowing or playing with my dog (he likes the old me also). Bottom line is “Kratom” has given me my life back, personally and professionally so it is a miracle because I thought I’d never be normal again but life is great!

          1. Wait until Kratom stops working and your dosage starts to skyrocket. Before long you’ll realize that the “miracle plant” feels dirty, just like any other opiate after awhile. Eventually you’ll cross a threshold at which the side effects will manifest, and they’re not pleasant. Bad memory problems and “dizzy eyes” are the two most common. In order to get any relief you’ll have to increase your dose to a point at which the dizzy eyes are an almost constant battle. Walking around not being able to focus your eyes all day, feeling dizzy, and forgetting things people told you 20 seconds ago are not fun. Yes, this is a plant, but the effects of taking it over a long period of time have not been studied and are not understood. It feels good and clean at first, but when the dose is raised and the side effects are felt you’ll understand what I’m talking about.

          2. Milionius, because you have an addictive personality does not mean every one does. I take 2 capsules a day and that is all. It has been that way for 3 years. My pain is helped. It may not feel like it did in the beginning, but it still relieves my arthritis pain.
            I do not take any more than that and I have never once experienced any of the issues with eyes and memory that you report.

      2. I am extremely happy to hear your life is better without Kratom. If Kratom use was causing negative problems in your life then discontinuing was definitely the proper call for you. As long as a substance has the possibility of altering your mood in the slightest people will abuse and become “addicted”. People sniff/huff glue, gasoline and computer cleaner, people drink purell and other hand sanitizers, people are addicted to sex, porn texting and video games.

        Kratom is a miracle plant for some. It was for me. I was a long term Norco/Vicodin addict who used Kratom alone to taper down from 15 Norcos a day to none in 4 days. I had virtually no withdrawal effects.

        I had tried subutex, suboxone, been given benzos (far worse than opiates), tranquilizers and went to rehab. None of those things worked. Kratom worked. As a committed opiate addict; if Kratom is an “opiate” I certainly never got addicted to it. I used it for 14 days. The exact same dosage, of the exact same strain for 14 straight days and stopped. I did not have a single desire to continue to use Kratom afterwards.

        Kratom, just like everything, is not for everyone and there will certainly be those who will abuse it like everything else in life. However, I can only speak for myself. If used properly and with respect this plant has the possibility of freeing the every grower number of opiate addicts out there.

        1. i have been struggling with opiates pretty much all my life. in the end i was shooting heroin. i’m on suboxone now and want more than anything to give that up. i just took my first dose of kratom and hope and pray this works. how much kratom did you take to get off opiates in 14 days? can you tell me your exact schedule for taking kratom?

          1. leelee, I know exactly how you feel. I have been using opiates and 140mg. of methadone a day since 1990 (getting old). I started lowering my dose by 5mgs. a week until I got down to about 50mg. then I went 3-5mgs. about every two weeks down to 20mgs. then I just let my body tell me when to go down. It has taken about a year, but am here to tell you that Kratom works! I am DRUG FREE as of 12/31/2017. The worst is in the morning when I get up. I just used about 4-7 grams 3-4 times a day of some great Red Borneo, or Red Bali, mixed with some White Maeng Da (for energy, since you won’t have ANY!)and FLUSHED the rest of my Dones down the toilet, so the Kratom helped me to kick while at 15mgs. of Done a day, not only that but I stopped taking my Clozapam 2mg. every night at the same time!You will just have to let your body feel it out for you. I hope this helps anyone else out there, I’m a hard core addict! have been since the 80’s, this is the first time I have went more than 12-18 hours without Opiates, and I feel GREAT! 11 DAYS AND COUNTING!

    3. How do you know what strain you have? And how many 500 mg caps does one take? I’m getting off of Norco but scared of unknown side effects. I found a kratom brand called Klarity. Anyone?

      1. I use Norco for a couple weeks, then go off it using Kratom. I have no side effects from going iff the Norco when I take the Kratom. I go back and fourth to avoid dependency. I am having surgery soon and after hope to not need need either. But in the last year it has been a lifesaver to me. I take 3 capsules of green bornea and 3 wildcraft in the a.m. A total if abour3.5 grams. Occasionally the first few days I made need an dose after lunch.
        Good luck

      2. You should use a red vein strain from Bali, Borneo or Thailand. Use in powdered form and mix in with a drink of your choice. There are many websites on dosing and there effects. You have to remember for coming off opiates you may need more rather than less 6-7 grams doses for sedative effects. At lower dosages 1-2 grams Kratom can act as a stimulant and that can potentially increase the anxiety detoxing from Vicodin already causes. Everyone is different.

    4. My sister takes Suboxone. I’m trying to convince her to try kratom! So you take red vein in the morning? I’ve heard reds are more sedating and slower, and better to take at night. If you say you take them before work though, I’d be interested! Because I need energy for work. I’m taking green Maeng Da… just ordered green malay however and thinking of trying white Maeng Da.

  21. I have suffered from pain related to MS and Fibromyalgia for roughly 8 years. I discovered Kratom this past January and am absolutely amazed at how well it works. My go to strain for pain is Red Bentuangie. I take it three times per day mixed with other strains. In the morning, I mix with white Sumatra or white Maeng Da to give me a boost of energy and pain relief. In the afternoon, I mix it with Green Bali or Green Malay for a mild boost and pain relief. And at night I mix it with red Sumatra or red Bali to help me sleep. I usually take 2-4 grams per dose and each dose lasts me around 5 hours. I make capsules as my swallowing ability has been somewhat compromised because of the MS so I can’t handle the texture or taste. Capsules are easiest for me but others have found success with tea or mixing Kratom with yogurt or applesauce. It has truly been a miracle for me.

  22. I need to know something about kratom dosage amounts in extract form. I am supposed to see a pain management specialist next month. I have seen such doctors before with little success . I heard red kratom helps pain. I tried marijuana once and it gave me a deathly ill elevated heart rate. I almost died. No shit. I am 5’10 and 155 pounds. It seems the only pain medication I can take are opiate related. They cause the least amount of bad reactions. Someone please provide me with a correct dosage amount for red kratom. Thanks.

    1. I would recommend getting on methadone, which I am on, because of the minute side effects and easily controlled titration method. Now for me it’s a mix of multiple approaches on my road to titration. I use an antidepressant, anti-anxiety medication(diazepam 5mg 2x per day), etizolam 2-4mg per day.

        1. Thank you. I would never tell anyone to walk into the hell I’m finally getting out of…I am off methadone almost 3 weeks… I still have not slept more than 2-3 hours even with kratom. But I also don’t know proper amounts etc..in beginning i probably took an amount that was stimulating me during sleep hours adding to the insomnia. Kratom didn’t really start changing effects until about a week after last dose of 5mg methadone. It 100% helped with the horrible shitty side effects but I’m also bought club 13 bottle from health store. Says it’s a mix of mirygna speciosa and leaf extracts. I took 6 capsules and a tablespoon of black seed oil which really changed the kratom game for me personally. I was taking black seed oil separately from kratom after finding its insane health benefits and when dosing both close together on accident I was really buzzing…enough to look up interactions of the 2 to find i found gold! I don’t know much about club 13 product other than its expensive!!!! So I need to find a reputable website.

          1. ffonzones, I also just got off the methadone, I slept ok if I used 7-9 grams about an hour before bed, also try using a night time sleep aid from the drugstore. I’m getting about 5-6 hours of good sleep before things wear off and up and out of bed I come! Keep on keepin’ on! NO ONE should ever have to go through the methadone HELL, Gimme a heroin kick any day! lol. Kratom works, just have to make sure you use enough. Us addicts usually over do everything, why not kratom??? I found a table with high, low tolerance and what you should probably use. It said 7-9 grams for High so F*** it, that’s where I started and it worked. Peace, and good luck, with your life’s freedom again!

      1. Lol, wanna go ahead and take the safety off and cock the hand back before ya hand over that .22 pistol to any truely desperate opiate addict in truely horrific DT’s, there, buddy? Bc all that complete idiocity of your comment is pointing straight to that poor boy or girl who gets trapped in an endless cycle of greed, lust, possessed insanity to grapple in the stage 4 terminal cancer of the mind that is Active Addiction? Methadone only gives addicts a false sense of hope then promptly locks them into an even more fatal drug addiction which from there leads to subs and if you’re lucky enough to kick that one before it kills you, inadvertently or otherwise, you stay off subs long enough where you can shoot up whatever drug is pictured in any addicts mind, recovered recovering or active as their go to sweet spot of euphorian bliss. Someone throat punch him before or if nothing hasn’t happened yet the methadone hasn’t led to meth, crack, heroin, etc.

    2. I’d say 5-8 grams if you have a slight tolerance go with 3-4 if you new to kratom. It’s best to get a mix of red and green vein in my opinion.

    3. Just a comment on the marijuana remark, you may think you “almost died” or whatever, but the FACT is that marijuana in any dose has NEVER in the history of marijuana, killed ANYONE! Marijuana is the safest out of any of the substances being discussed, obviously inhaling any form of smoke, even if it’s just burnt paper, is bad for you, but it’s the smoke not the marijuana, you can eat it too. I just had to clarify that, I hate seeing people that just tried it and had a bad experience say that it almost KILLED them and shit like that, it just wasn’t meant for you, that’s OK, don’t smoke it again, but save the dramatics for real drugs like crack and shit

      1. Ask yourself where it came from and if it was around or mixed with other substances. Happens every day.

      2. Marijuana did not “almost kill” me BUT it did lower my IQ by about 50 points and remove any and all motivation until I was severely depressed (diagnosed by a psychiatrist). It did absolutely nothing for pain…NOTHING! Switch to another strain led to severe allergic reaction even though I was only sucking the oil off the end of a toothpick 3 times per day. I got more stoned from the massive doses of Benadryl I had to take than I ever did from Cannabis.
        Even though I am pro-legalization of Cannabis it is NOT for everyone and for me it was NOT the panacea advocates suggested it would be. As I traveled down the road of chronic pain options were running out and I was very, very disappointed with my cannabis experience.
        Kratom does everything for me that I expected from Marijuana without any adverse psychotropic effects at all AND it does not need to be smoked so your lungs are safe.

    4. Don’t get on methadone friend, I’ve been chained to it for over 4 years now & am fighting like hell to get off. I’ve been super braving it cuz I want off so bad so I’ve gone down 1mg a day from 98mg to today will be 58mg non-stop, I got kratom cuz I want to just stop the methadone cold turkey all at once from 50mg w/help from kratom but I’m not sure I can. I’m 5’2 115lb female my highest dose of methadone was 120mg. The process of getting off methadone is long, drawn out, painful, & really ugly & this is coming from someone who has been lucky with my taper. Methadone got me off heroin, but chained me to itself for years, my mom killed herself at 50 years old with her addiction to methadone + other opioid pain meds, I even was forced to stay on the methadone when I got pregnant, by the clinic & doctors & my daughter Eternity was born on methadone too, healthy & full term by the grace of God, but my newborn daughter had to be tapered off f’in methadone a few weeks after birth. They kept her on it at a small dose for a while before tapering her. Seeing this was a soul-shattering experience. I doubt the kratom will help me much, I could be very wrong, however, from me 2 u, DON’T GET ON METHADONE. No offense 2 anyone out there on methadone, believe me, I’ve been there for years & I understand, I just wanted 2 share my personal experience is all, I would be a hypocrite 2 judge. I know the people @ my clinic here in San Diego have been there many years some lifers u could say & have no intention of ever getting off, they all think I’m crazy 4 pushing myself so hard so fast 2 do it. They are right, it is awful, but I’m determined 🙂 God Bless, hope u worked it out. Anyways, I’m taking red vein kratom about 5 grams at a time due to my already high tolerance from methadone, it’s not doing the trick but I’m not giving up on it yet I’ll try a lil more then decide if it’s worth it. I get fom mmmspeciousa, the red vein is the way to go.

      1. I had been in methadone for 6 years for back pain from a car accident. I decided about 2 months ago that I was done taking it, so I tapered on my own from 50mg at 5mg a week or so. I took the last 5mgs i had last thursday. I was hurting but okay on Friday, but Saturday I started having withdrawls. Sunday I went down to a cigar shop and bought some Kratom just to see if it would help. I will tell you one thing, it does work. I have had no real feelings of withdrawls at all, since starting Kratom. I can take 4-5g in the afternoon, and not need to redose until the next afternoon. When I did go through withdrawls, the best way to describe them is like my muscles would just shake. Imagine having Restless Leg Syndrome but over your whole body. The Kratom helps so much more than I ever would of thought. Since getting hurt 6 years ago, I would get no more than 1 to 2 hours of sleep a night, even taking the methadone. Since I started Kratom I have slept a full 8 hours, so now I am well rested but more tired during the day, because my I am not used to actually sleeping. My plan was to only use it long enough to keep the withdrawls at bay. But I may use it sporadically after then.

      2. Please, Please, Please Don’t Get on Methadone, It almost killed me, I was on 200mg’s a day and jumped off because I lost my job and couldnt afford it. It almost killed me. My bones felt like glass and I had a fever of 104. I almost died, I had a sezuire and had to be taken to the ER

      3. ….. hi there I also was on methadone Billy two days before they had overdosed me on and I am outside kids.. When I said was hi there I also was on methadone Billy today’s before they had overdosed me on that shit and I am at I in my size kids without a mother.. When I got see mergency room the first thing the doctor said was my name and asked why was I trying to hurt myself and I remember thinking thank God my way from with all to the side say if she wasn’t trying to hurt a cell she was trying to help his help if then does a get enough opiates that what the sky for her but I hope is in and then she got a dictator one and now you’re blaming have for this I use f****** crazy but luckily he was a little more children that happen then how I’m explaining it but still the guy was really am asshole at the emergency room and then I had another doctor within 20 power with on the ICU came out instead to me what the hell did you do DSL and I yell to a nervous which I’m not long we like that to tell that and dark that to get the hell out of my room after its I asked to do it. If he had jerk to begin with and cheese with Brittany yes he is a jerk so good to show you these people that I still call perfection late range in even be in the world up having a license to practice rehabilitation for people now in my suboxin and I want the hell off alone sex costing me and I’m in away Beechmont and I’m on quote my don’t see any of the high this getting me so that they talk about and I’m having awful dad Pete paying I only some cough the say but only have a few left that need to come out very badly and I was hoping to do that soon but I don’t want to be in pain cuz I would be nervous when I had a c-section it and I was on Sunday a a text.. And I didn’t get no we leave from Lafayette 2 hours before it it would even some up kicked in nobody won me about that kind of pain I didn’t even think I can look do that and that was 5 and a half to use ago with my 6 baby any Hill I’m also going to a change of wanting peoples understand that they had now taking away children from Dr addiction dependency behavior parents and I hate that’s unfair and I’m trying to get the word out there that this is what it’s going on with me right now… And also a article on about Senator Nancy Schaefer … my intentions is not to scare people but to make people more aware of what’s happening out there.. And what they are doing to keep children from being with their real families in the ones that still want to care for Them..thatIstilllove them if you read it out of coal about sent it to Nancy Schaefer that to ask you about what they are doing to keep children from being with it parents who really still love them and care for them in a family that still want some and I have quite a bit of time quotes on people that I had some cases I don’t take other people’s stories unless they really have an impact of getting will betta.. I try to stay away from those ones without a positive outcome because to me the whole Rehabilitation is to help positive .. so don’t get offended if you don’t sad stories I had to me… I just want the Story 2 be well on the positive side of Rehabilitatio.. please look me up on Facebook at Julie Anderson and you’ll find me on the and I have quite a bit of stories I’m a lot about Rehabilitation on medication.. Help Quotes DHS Child Protective Services .. positive stories on people that I had uphill battle with problems but found a way to help themselves and their families..I don’t quite take other people stories unless they really haven’t impact of getting better I try to stay away from real – negative ones.. I want ones to fill out a positive outcome because to me a spin on the whole rehabilitation is to help positive lesson this so don’t get offended if you don’t see all sad stories with no happy and then I had too many of those already… I’m trying to concentrate on the good I’m getting older myself .. I need to come out with us positive spin even if its not a hundred percent… Thank you JGA

  23. Just had my first Kratom experience. I took about 2.5 teaspoons of Mojo Bali. Idk how it compares to others, but I’m waiting another shoulder surgery and referred to pain management, so I’m stuck in between, and ran out of my prescription Norco last night. I was starting to feel like total hell, and in a short time, I feel great. The withdrawals are gone, my pain is under control, and I feel great mood wise. Any suggestions on dosing are more than welcome. I don’t have a scale. I have some Maeng Da to take during the day for work. Could use the advice.

    1. Maeng Da is my personal favorite. I stopped opiates almost 2 years ago & haven’t looked back. I generally take 1/2 tbsp every 4-6 hours to manage pain and balance every day stress. Somewhat euphoric, MD gives you lots of energy and great pain relief. Note: white & green strains are more stimulating/energetic vs red/brown can be more relaxing. The more you take, the more sedative it can be. Good luck! 🙂

  24. hey just because I never see this said anywhere and I’ve found it super easy and swift, I mix a dose, usually 4-6g of powdered kratom in grapefruit juice and shake it and down it. no problem. it’s not nearly as offensive tasting as tea or any other way I’ve tried. and grapefruit juice can prolong its effects.

  25. I have been using Kratom for about three years off and on for pain relief from tooth issues like abscesses. Having no insurance and stuck with dental issues. Also using it for relief from rheumatoid arthritis joint and muscle relief again having no prescriptions whatsoever to help, I thank God I researched and discovered Kratom.

    I started out using Bali, then used the Maeng da capsules awhile. I’m just starting to try the red vein borneo powder today and whoa! I can immediately tell the difference in this strain. For me it’s more sedative quicker and better at pain management which I like I don’t need much. I put a fourth of a tsp in about a cup of applesauce with cinnamon and sugar to taste. It worked fabulously in masking the bitter and gritty taste. I saw the recommendation on another forum and I am definitely gonna stick with it. The knocking it back with juice thing, ughhh it just wasn’t for me. There are a lot of methods out there from brewing tea to doing it in juice but this to me is a great one. Fast and easy. I have a bit of nausea rare times when I do it on empty stomach as recommend but otherwise I love this wonderful herb! Its truly been a godsend! 💜💜💜

    1. Applesauce sounds like a perfect way to get the powder down! I just tried orange juice and it was awful.

    2. Buy some gelatin capsules from wall mart or vitamin store. 00 solaray caps hold almost a gram packed properly.

    3. Why don’t you have insurance? The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). was passed to help people like you. Because I have an income, my cost for insurance went up, and I would like to know it is helping others.

  26. I don’t currently own a scale, but will get one soon. Anybody know the converted weight TO grams of 1 tablespoon of Red Vein Sumatran? As well as 1 teaspoon of Sumatran into grams? Thanks! Keep Kratom legal!!!

  27. I am looking for another strain to add. I presently take red Bali and SUPER GREEN MALAYSIAN with good effects. I have also tried Maeng Da and a few White stains with no effects. Any suggestions on a strain that will give me lots energy with clarity and focus?
    Thanks

    1. Jennifer, I find that the White Borneo gives me quite a bit of noticeable energy. I have fibro with chronic fatigue syndrome and after I take about 1.5 to 2 TEASPOONS within about 20 minutes I’m able to do much more than previously and feel like doing it. I’ve had amazing results with Borneo white…I’m currently mixed Green Maeng da with White Borneo and I can see an increase in energy with more clarity…honestly…great stuff. HOpe this helped. tanya

    2. Try the meng de white strains. there should be the most energetic. It is real important that you are getting it from a good source. My first thought when you said the white strains had no effect was that you didn’t get a good batch, but everyone’s body chemistry is different. If you are getting them from a head shop they probably are not very good, and can be cut with undesirables. Give the Meng De White vine another shot and remember for energy less is more.

  28. I highly recommend buying a capsule filling device (Ebay is your best bet, Amazon does not carry them) and a small inexpensive digital scale (Amazon IS your friend, in this case) if you decide that kratom is for you. The taste of kratom is utterly, absolutely DISGUSTING. For my first attempt at consuming powdered kratom leaf, I followed some (terrible) advice on an online forum and mixed it into a cup of peach flavored yogurt. That was, without a doubt, the most disgusting thing I’ve ever forced myself to eat. Any trace of flavoring in the yogurt is obliterated and you’re left with a gritty, intensely bitter green sludge to force down your throat. I still can’t believe that I didn’t vomit, and I have a pretty strong stomach.

    After that, I used the simple toss-and-wash method for a while, using orange juice for the “wash” stage as it seems to be fairly effective at cleansing most (most, not all) of the bitterness out of your mouth. That was better than the yogurt, but still an unpleasant enough experience that I dreaded taking kratom. I finally caved in and bought the capsule machine (“00” size) on Ebay. I think it cost about $25 or so, I can’t remember exactly. It’s a fiddly thing and it takes a lot longer to fill a single batch of 24 caps than the 2 minutes claimed by the manufacturer, but it’s worth it to avoid that repugnant kratom taste. I use the digital scale ($10) to weigh the kratom caps after filling. I usually end up with around .6 to .8 grams per “00” sized capsule, if I really pack the kratom in there.

    You can buy kratom already in capsules, but your selection is severely limited and you’ll be paying far more per gram than you need to.

  29. Thank goodness for this conversion chart! I too am new to Kratom and it is truly a miracle in helping with opiate withdrawl. This was easy for me to use because I don’t have a scale so I have been taking a tablespoon in the morning. I tried the toss and wash method which was just not happening! Now I mix it with orange juice…of course you can still taste it but at least I can get it down!!

  30. This is great info because some people give their dosages in teaspoons and it’s good guidance.

    That said, I second Jared and highly recommend that you invest in a good tenth-gram scale (they’re available for under $20) and measure, since it depends on strain, how ground it is, etc.

  31. To the newbies here a few tips.
    First of all, I encourage you to take Kratom to get off opiates. I myself was on the vicious cycle of prescription painkillers (all legal, I am a cancer patient).
    I had enough of the constant struggle and labeling.
    Here is my dosage suggestion that has worked miracles for me. No withdrawal symptoms at all from day one:
    Mix two teaspoons of regular (not enhanced) Kratom in some water, just enough to be able to drink it all in one go. Add some frozen limeade or lemonade. Let sit for five minutes, then stir to get rid of the dry parts. Then drink it all in one go and wash with fruit, like a piece of watermelon, which works for me.
    That is usually a safe dosage. And it really does work.

    1. Bless you for leaving this message Dora. I am almost feeling absolved of the label society forces in me because I take pain pills. They act as though actually bring in pain is just an excuse for being a junky and they areally wrong but they are not budging. It was amazing to see someone who gets it

      1. I just recieve my kratom today. I too am a chronic pain patient that is fed up past my eyeballs with the stress and labeling of pain mgt. I’m praying this works for me. For I have chronic RA and Fibromyalgia. I REFUSE to go back to a pain clinic. So tired of them treating me as if I got up one morning and decided I was going to be sick.

    2. Also using Kratom for chronic pain. I mix it with a small amount of water until it is all wet and just down it quickly. I have heard others use applesauce or mashed banana to get it down.
      I have been able to reduce oxycodone dose by 75% with no withdrawal ( it wasn’t working anymore anyway)

      Started with 2 gms and now take at least 1/2 tablespoon 2-3 times per day and over a tablespoon at night which really helps with sleep (red vein variety). This plant is doing for me what I though marijuana would do. It just evens things our from a pain perspective but does NOT affect my intelligence or motivation in any way. (Prior to becoming extremely allergic to cannabis it made me very depressed and very stupid).

      Now I have hope that I will see the end of regular opiate use. Using Kratom allows ME to be in control. I do NOT have to be under the control of someone else as a gateway to my medicine. When and if I decide to come off it I can manage it myself…no more pain clinic…..no more doctors …no more contracts/agreements….no more urine tests etc.

      It is really important to have a good supplier and I have found a good one that ships good product quickly AND this stuff is legal in my country.

      I could NOT find any natural health practitioner that knew anything about this plant. It is NOT in herbal formularies for Chinese medicine or British Botanical medicine because it is Indonesia so you have to do your own research and become your own expert.
      Forums like this are necessary and have taught me a lot. We have to keep helping each other!

  32. Just received my capsules of Kratom 500mg capsules to get off of opiates. Need to know how much to take

  33. I bought 2 WVI and received samples of GM & RVT. 10 g and 25 g. Well, it was all I could do not to vomit. I have read all comments and maybe I mix it up wrong? No directions and was wondering how? I am newby, go figure. Bought it from Mmm…S. Trying to get off opiates, to be truthful. Heard alot about Kratom. So, I thought I would try it. Had surgery about 2 months ago and the laws have changed here, after the Surgeon gets his cut, then that’s that. I do not want to go to a psychiatrist, to get Suboxone. That’s the only way you can get it here. Then, that’s just another drug to withdrawal from. Tired of it. Any help would be great? What about kratom mang dae? Thanks!

    1. If you do not have problems digesting stuff (I do, so can’t do this), you can buy a capsule machine (I did) & make them & no taste. You have to take about 18 capsules to equal approximately 1 tablespoon of Kratom. I do not recommend extracts, but pure, ground Kratom leaf. The Red Vein kind is what is recommended for pain control, but it works like the green, white, & yellow leaf, just works better for pain control. The Horned Maend Da is also a Red Vein. Just because some are listed as ‘Super’, or ‘Premium’ does not necessarily mean it is a superior product. I have been experimenting with it for pain control & mood enhancement, which I was taking Xanax & Norco for years & my doctor got the great idea to take me off cold turkey. Nice, huh? This stuff saved my sanity I’m sure. I mix about a tablespoon in a few ounces of warm water, either let it set for about 5 minutes & it will seep in, or mix vigorously & it will mix in… Slam it down (kinda gritty & tastes like crap, but gets it over fast), rinse with a bit more warm water so as not to waste any, drink it down. I think coffee pairs well & gets the taste ruout of your mouth, but sometimes I rinse & spit too. Some Strains are more gritty than others & trial & error are the only way to know & some are stonger (or not) tasting, though I’ve never found any that tastes good. It’s worth it. If your digestive system works correctly, you should notice a difference in 20 minutes max, & if it doesn’t, within an hour for sure (not capsules, they take some people longer to digest). You cannot OD on this stuff. Uf you take too much, you will likely vomit or get a headache. If that happens, trt taking a little less next time. I went from taking more-than-prescribed pain meds to taking this stuff 2 times a day with absolutely no craving for prescription pills. Plus the pain pills never took my pain away 100%, but Kratom does, at least the Red Vein ones do, the others a bit, but tge Reds, definitely. Good luck to you. I hope I covered it all. Oh, I buy mine from a trusted vendor, kratomunderground.com their products are pure, with no additives. They do have a rewards program, so if you try them, I believe both you & I get 500 ‘points’ worth 5 bucks towards purchasing. The way for me to get referral points is: https://www.swellrewards.com/r/R6MKGLI

      1. Vicki thank you for your post…I seem to get so sleepy with the reds and I, like yourself use Kratom for pain management. I’ve found that if I mix white borneo and red maeng da together they do a pretty good job with pain, but has NEVEr took all my pain away…but I’m able to function thank God. I’m going to try Kratomunderground…sounds like I may switch since your pain is gone completely. I use buykratom.us minimum order is one kilo but all for 100.00 and you can mix/match. There Boreno and maeng da is fabulous…anway thanks Tanya

        1. I tried kratom for the first time today. I think we all can agree that there is nothing out there that’s perfect, but I was surprised at how well it worked. It did not take all the pain away but it made things comfortable. I’m excited to try mixing different types. Let’s keep kratom legal!!!

    2. I’m finally able to take kratom for opioid withdrawals and pain management after a load of mistakes and confusion. 1. Scoop the powder in a measuring spoon. Use 1 tsp-2 tsps. If you get a headache, you took too much. 2. Flip the spoon over on your tongue and bang it lightly in your bottom teeth. 3. Chase it down with something you like and can gulp. I use bottled tea. 4. Capsules take longer and are weaker. Good for travel. God bless! It’s fabulous medicine.

      1. Thanks for that advice. I’m new to kratom and am trying it because I’m sick of being in pain and also fighting doctors who can’t fix my back pain (many issues, including compression fractures, bulging disc, arthritis and neck surgery 8 years ago). I’ve had two non-effective steroid injections and now the doc says I can’t take as much vicodin and the injections didn’t work! So….my goal is to try kratom and go slowly at first, just to see if it helps with my pain. Question: Do ya’ll recommend telling the doctor you’re taking this, or will that just make him/her freak out and take away the small amount of vicodin I already am on? Thank you! (My first thought is to stay silent, but I’m wondering how others have handled this.)

        1. I was wondering if I should mention it to my pain doc, too. It’s not illegal, it’s not an opiate, it’s basically just a supplement so I don’t think we have to say anything if we don’t want to.

          I’ve only had one dose so far and it was too weak but seemed to help with my back pain a little. I’m hoping when I increase the next one it’ll be much better.

        2. I tell all my docs about it. You need to break up your week with Kratom and opioids if you use both as cross tolerance is a real pain in the butt. They don’t potentiate one another but instead one will cancel the other out and that will build a tolerance. Usually it’s the opiate that gets the tolerance.

          You can mix with OJ and it’s supposed to take nearly all of the bitter taste away. I put the powder on my tongue and wash down with as much water as it takes. It’s just easiest.

          It’s a good idea to be straight with your doc about it. I have three different autoimmune diseases and one is an orphan disease that’s on the top ten most painful list. I gave up on the medical system and was just barely getting by. Now it’s better. I’m having a bitch of a flare that isn’t being touched by the K but I only have a Maeng Da that’s not great for pain. :/

          1. I started Kratom and did NOT tell my doctor. Honestly ….you should know more about your treatment than your doctor anyway.
            The first day I went a full 24 hours without any Oxycodone and no withdrawals, however, I did take too much Kratom and got headaches and itchy so I stopped it for a while, but was pleased to see what it could do. The next time I started it I went slowly (starting at 2 gm) and substituted a Kratom dose for my usual Oxy dose. I have had no problem reducing the oxycodone and my doctor is so thrilled! (HA)
            If I can keep the Oxy down to 10 mg per day or every other day I can probably keep the prescription, but even if it is stopped I know that I am not stuck!
            Kratom does NOT relieve pain like the Oxy did BUT it does help even things out. I am much, much better than I was when I started the Oxy (chronic back) but doc was freaking out because Oxy use was regular and going up because of increasing tolerance. Now he is happy that it is coming down.
            We are BOTH happy.

  34. Hi Tammy,

    Honestly, it’s worth spending about 10 bucks on a decent scale. I got an AWS (American Weigh Scale) for 9 dollars or so. Very small, and accurate. I weighed a LEVEL teaspoon from several vendors, different strains, all came up at 2.5 grams. So, a teaspoon is always 2.5 grams, right? Unfortunately, no. You have to factor in things like moisture content and so forth. I decided to re-weigh the same strains, different shipments, so presumably different batches and guess what? 2.4, 2.6, 2.7 and so on. I calibrate the scale weekly too. A teaspoon may be convenient, but accuracy is super important, especially if you know that strain rotation is essential to combat tolerance and avoid SSS (same, or stagnant strain syndrome). Good luck.

    1. How much is everyone spending every month on their Kratom? I’m just trying to get just an average ball park idea is all. I know everyone is different but if some of you could just give me some what of an idea… I would truly appreciate it. Thanks.
      Cath

  35. I have been using the White Veil and the Red trying to see if I am using the correct dose I use a teaspoon so say 3 grams??

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