Strains, Effects, and Dosage

Strains And Effects

Many people new to kratom have questions about the effects of different strains. The following table serves as a comparative base for some of the most popular strains of kratom on the market:

Strain Effects Dosage
Bali Euphoric and the most classic opiate like among the strains of kratom 1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Maeng Da Energizing and stimulating with pain killing effects 1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Red Vein Thai Similar to Bali with fewer negative side effects 1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Super Indo Similar to Bali with less euphoria 1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Super Green Malaysian Varies between suppliers but is typically more stimulating with little euphoria 1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Ultra Enhanced Indo Most euphoric of the extracts and works well for reducing social anxiety 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
Thai Essence Somewhat weaker than Ultra Enhanced Indo by weight with a bit of a Maeng Da kick 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
Full Spectrum Tincture (FST) The original likely had synthetic 7-hydroxymitragynine but current formulations are basically Ultra Enhanced Indo in liquid form 0.25mL or more

45 thoughts on “Strains, Effects, and Dosage

  1. If this site is truly dedicated to providing legitimate science about kratom, then please make this above information scientific. Depending on the vendor, 1 tablespoon of kratom could weigh anywhere from 6 to 12 grams, which is a tremendous difference in dose. Also, you may want to consider a disclaimer warning new users that this information is only relatively accurate and potency will always vary from vendor to vendor. It is presented here as being facts with no sources. Kratom is a drug and should be respected as such, everyone who uses this substance needs to use digital scales and measure their doses by the gram.

    As a student of science and a lover of kratom, I just had to vent these frustrations. If you want to be taken seriously as an “authority,” (PS authoritative is a word meaning that you rule with an iron grip, not that you are an authority on a certain subject) then use scientific notation and cite your sources. =)

  2. As far as taking down the powder goes, why not dump it into a water bottle with a little water, shake it, and down it as fast as you can?

    1. Basically. The only method I use is to take powder, put it into a small (like Guayaki energy shot) glass bottle, add a bit of lemon juice and fill mostly with hot water, then shake shake shake. Add a bit more water to make it pourable and the drink it with a bit of juice. Chase with hot tea (add cayenne and/or black pepper to potentiate) and it’s on.

      1. I just mix about 10 grams of kratom powder with about 12oz of orange juice and shake it until it’s completely mixed in, then I drink half the bottle at a time. Very simple, the OJ is really healthy (I use the Simply Orange brand, the kind with calcium and vitamin D in it), cheap, and it doesn’t taste half bad this way. The acidity and tangy quality of the OJ make it a good cover for kratom’s bitter taste.

    2. I like to mix it up in a bowl with honey until it becomes a paste then just spoon it down with a glass of water. There is no danger of inhaling the fine powder (which if anyone has accidentally done will know how uncomfortable that is!).

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  4. Toss n wash, make a tea, mix with yogurt, use in place of hops when there are all kinds of methods, and most dosages depend on the quality of the vendor.
    Be responsible. This doesn’t need more bad attention on the news. With drugs like alcohol tobacco and a world of otc poisons you’d think Kratom deemed safe, beingthat not a single person has died from Kratom alone.

  5. The way I take my kratom is I mix about 3-4 grams of kratom powder into a cup of orange juice while using a straw, afterwards I re pour another half cup of OJ to get the rest of the kratom chunks that sticks on the side of the cup. Probably the best way to bare the taste. Also, works effectively well.

  6. You can ingest Kratom by mixing it as well – but being that I’ve been using kratom for a couple years to combat intolerable pain at the recommendation of doctors – I can day that I recommend against it. Depends partially on what kind you have, but I’m telling you it can be Horrendously bitter. I’ve thrown up just from drinking this stuff mixed with just water. It’s easier to toss and wash. I have a strong stomach too – I was prescribed extremely high doses of hydrocodone and then some time later oxycodone and then hydromorphone later after that – I never got so much as a stomach ache from these. I have a strung stomach. So I mean that – feel free to test your bounds man but it sucked. There were many times where sure I didn’t feel even slightly sick. But the capacity of bitterness was there my friend.

    1. I mix with water and drink. I only use about 3/4 of a cup, stir and drink. I then add a bit more water and repeat the process until there’s none stuck to the cup.

      It was pretty gross at first but I’m at the point where it doesn’t even bother me at all.

    1. caps are a good masker of taste but hard to find the right dose. some people can take 4 caps and not feel a thing (even extracts). it also depends on the size of caps. weighing out the dose is very important. with every bag or bottle of kratom start off small then work your way to the PROPER dose. when i say every bag or bottle i mean EVERY BAG OR BOTTLE. the same bag/bottle of kratom you get will be different not just in weight but in how well the kratom performs.
      also useing caps will take longer for the kratom to take effect just like any pill form anything. the quickest way is powder the strongest way is powder…all in all powder is the way to go.

      trust me i hate powder it taste like crap. I like to take pepperoni (big slices) and put the powder in the middle of it and roll it up like a burrito…the pepperoni is very slimy and mixes well with kratoms cinnamon like texture (still dry even when wet)….also holding your breath allows you not to taste anything..breath from your mouth. (IT SEEMS LIKE A PROCESS BUT ITS NOT I PROMISE LOL)

      1. I’d like to mention something about ‘breathing through your mouth’. If you have a fat mound of kratom sitting on your tongue, or ‘rolled inside a pepperoni’ like you’ve mentioned, I’d like to recommend against breathing through your mouth.

        My first few experiences toss and washing were horrible because I breathed in and powder flew into my throat/lungs. It was terrible.

  7. Can you tell me which one is best for pain? I need to replace the morphine and hydrocone we are taking.

  8. I need help with the dosage to start out with for Maeng da Kraton for Pain, Fatigue and Depression, as I do not want a Euphoric effect at all, that’s not what I am going for. I suffer from Fibromyalgia and have a hard time even getting through a normal 8 hr work day, let alone every day life stuff that needs to be done, Dishes, laundry, shopping, ect … I am warn out 2 hrs after I get out of bed. Again, I do not want a euphoric effect, just relief from my pain and some energy to get through my day. Thank you so much, Jenn

    1. To be very blunt and honest, a strict diet, at least (20) minutes of exercise in the morning, and a proper sleep schedule does wonders to boost your energy naturally (kratom is natural…..but you should understand what I mean).

      The above recommendation is a much better alternative to taking kratom to boost your energy.

    2. You don’t want to use maeng DA for pain. Its an extremely euphoric strain. Red vein such as Bali is The best for pain. With less euphoric effects. Start out around 3 grams(magic starting number) and work up from there

    3. Hi Jenn :) I feel you all too well so had to comment to you. I have Fibro and AS with of course the lovely fatigue, pain and depression that comes with it soooo much fun so thought I’d give you my .02 on it. Been using Kratom for almost 3 years for it
      Maeng da is ok for pain ect but meh only when I can’t get Super Green Malaysian for day time and Bali strain for night or off work days. Alot of people seem to like the Red Vein Thai for pain haven’t tried any in a while so don’t really remember. White Vein seemed to aggravate or do nothing for pain at all but gave me energy.
      Then it’s hide in the bathroom at work and Toss and Wash because no one knows I’m sick and I don’t want to answer the whole “Why in the world are you Eating Dirt?!” :)

  9. Hey jenn, the euphoria isn’t what you’d expect it is more of a sense of well being it is pretty much a reliever of anxiety and makes you overly content to do thongs… People take it in certain countries before work everyday just for that fact alone you are almost a nicer and better person especially since the pain is dulled… But I would get super indo and Bali both start around 3 grams also mix the two and try it that way. But it depends on suppliers a lot have garbage and ull need 20 grams do your research don’t just buy from a place without plenty of feedback and the best of luck to your.. Or look above :)

  10. I’m hoping you experts can help me…I get prescribed pain pills for cancer (oxycodone , morphine & oxycotton) I really would like to stop taking them because when I run out I feel like I’m going to die, I think its withdrawal :( I heard about kratom and was wondering what would be the best for 1. Pain and 2. Helping with dealing with withdrawal if I stop taking my pain meds.. Please help and thank you all so much…means a lot to me, I can’t take the suffering anymore

  11. Shane you are definitely having withdrawals when you run out of the meds.
    I’ve been on poain pills for about 13 years and finally switched to suboxone to get off of them.
    I use kratom when I run out of my subs and also used it when running out of roxis and it def helps with the withdrawals not to mentiin it gives you a great little mood boost.
    I would try either green malaysian or maeng da. Guthros Garden is my vendor of choice.
    Hope this helps and good luck with your health.

  12. I used Kratom to get off opiates/suboxone. It has changed my life! I was so sick of the “addict” lifestyle. I dont care if this is a “crutch” it helps me sooo much. I have to put kratom in capsules. I can gag just thinking about the taste of the powder. I buy size 00 capsules and love kratom so much i bought a capsule maker.
    I also had 3 back surgeries and I can not believe how much it has helped with my pain.

    Anyone know anything about Kava??

    1. Kava is wonderful. I drink a lot of kava tea or take capsules. I do this because it GREATLY reduces irritability that comes from stress. I love kava…could be placebo…but it works for me. When mixed with a low dose of kratom…synergistic happy plants

  13. Those with Fibro/Chronic fatigue/autoimmune (often caused by metal poisoning, Lyme, several true underlying root causes). I feel for you too!! I have systemic illness from heavy metal poisoning and cavitation/root canal). When people just do not know any better and tell us the best remedy is exercise, etc. (in my case it just pumped the infection deeper into tissues previous to knowing I was poisoned.) would LOVE for exercise to cure this, that would be heaven!! But several Olympic athletes even who have been brought down by some of the root causes I listed above…need much more than exercise in these situations! While clearing these toxins out of our bodies, Kratom IS a lifesaver!!! I am a weird one here, because I love eating the powder straight…especially certain strains can taste yummy. Have had some not so yummy but tolerable. I will chew on it then wash down with almond milk. Stem & vein fine powder, I actually get craving for, must have something in it my body is craving. Started just doing this because I could barely move, pain and disorientation were intolerable so just had to take it the quickest way I could…got use to it. Thinking of adding turmeric, cayenne…maybe some other herbs to the mix!

  14. I have been taking bali indo for about 8 months now, and it has been a God send. I suffer from social anxiety and mild depression, and this stuff has made each day better. My only complaint is the fact that it’s a bit expensive, and my current vendor is having issues with online credit card payments, and is not taking them at this time. No problem, I found another and my my vendors are actually located in the same town as me, so my shipment is here the next day after I order it.

    I would not recommend it as a long term solution however, as I have found myself psychologically addicted. There does not seem to be any physical addiction though

  15. I just started taking the Maeng Da. I was on painkillers for ,most of my life. I’ve seen doctor after doctor all giving me pain medication. In March of this past year I slowly started to wean myself off of all the medication. I’m off of it all now, totally! A friend of mine told me about Or atom because I was having intense pain. I tried it after I had gotten on Google and researched what Kratom is. I’m still amazed!! Not only does it hep my back, I have bad arthritis in my left thumb and Palm. The pain gets so intense I have to squeeze my thumb and rock back and forth. I took 4 capsules, the pain was gone and I felt so happy and peaceful! How often do you take this? I will not make it a habit.

  16. I am a weirdo. I like the taste. Very earthy. I pour 2tsp into my mouth and toss n wash with warm water. Yummy

  17. I have been experimenting with Kratom for a bit under a month. I have several conditions that cause pain (Interstitial Cystitis, Colitis, Fibromyalgia, Arthritis), which were catapulted into an enduring “pain of a different color” when I developed two different stage III cancers (bladder / colon) within four years. The necessarily aggressive treatment was extremely risky and indeed did leave me disabled, and in chronic worsening pain that will never improve.

    So. From the outset, I know, without question, that I AM going to be addicted to *something.* I am delighted that I have an option besides prescribed narcotics now! I had developed a trapped feeling of being at the mercy of the greedy pharmaceutical industry, all the while knowing that these necessary medicines are wreaking havoc on my system, and on my life itself.

    I see so many advantages to choosing the Kratom, and am already reaping the benefits of not being on the heavy-hitting opiates. For the first time in almost 15 years, I am *sleeping* like a normal person! Anybody that takes narcotics knows that they interfere with sleep patterns. For years and years, I had not slept for more than two hours at a time, bolting awake to feel fitful and absolutely unable to sleep again. Now if I wake, I return to sleep…just as I used to way back when I wasn’t so gimped-up!

    The withdrawals form opiates are horrid. I am coming off Morphine, Gabapentin, and Vicodin. It is CRUCIAL to inform yourself about how to best stop the opiate use; some medicines really require a bit of tapering-off time. Anything anti-depressant really, really needs this tapering off, too, as your brain has to teach itself to develop receptors that the medicine provides. It will be great to get over that part of leaving narcotics behind. As I said, I am not even one full month into the experimenting with strains, etc., and I *already* take a whopping 15% of what I was taking …just over three weeks ago! My family and friends say that they notice a huge difference in my overall “vibe;” certainly I feel it. For years, I have searched for and tried alternatives to narcotics, but so far nothing has been able to touch my pain. Kratom *HAS.* It’s real.

    There is a *wonderful* Facebook group called “Kratom (new and current users),” where the community is inspiring and helpful. As doing this (getting onto Kratom) takes experimenting, people are constantly helping one another out with questions and answers. It is crucial since there is misinformation, as well as poor, and even tainted product out there. The board also has vetted vendor recommendations, and people are always chiming in regarding their impressions of sellers. I can not say enough about how very, very much this astoundingly friendly group has helped me. It is an invaluable source of information and support.

    Good luck to all of you…I firmly believe that those who consider trying this amazing plant are people who are sincere in their desire to make the best lives possible for themselves.

    It’s Christmas Eve, and I am writing about Kratom! *That* is how darned impressed and thrilled I am to have found it. May each of you have a wonderful start to 2015, with promise for health and peace. ~jmdm

  18. I have RA, fibromyalgia, depression, and very low energy. What would you recommend me starting out with? I’m new to Kratom. Thank in advance for any and all help!

  19. I have chronic Lyme, chronic fatigue and a crud load of wandering pain. I just tried 1/8 tsp of Bali and I was ready to go to bed. I am super sensitive to any and all things ingested. I was hoping for some relief of my pain but didn’t get much. I did like the fact that it made me sleepy, since insomnia is part of the package. I have scoured though comments on many sites and the common theme is that the effects are different for every one. But can someone help advise on which strain would be the BEST for pain without turning me into a zombie? And if I can get some feed back on the vendor Thanks.

  20. i am new to the site and still kind of confused on what to try. I suffer from Fibromyalgia and life long back/neck issues from falling from a high dive to the concrete when I was a kid. Soon to be having 2 level neck fusion and will continue to live with the rest of the degenerated herniated discs I have. Have been on Suboxone about 6 years for chronic pain because a truck load of Hydro doesn’t help. I am interested in finding something that will help with the pain and muscle spasms I have and that will help me want to be productive during the day and in life without making sedated. Any advise will certainly be appreciated. Thanks so much

  21. Just found out about kratom and I am soooo excited. I’d love any advice since I’m just starting out. I need help with withdrawals and cravings from roxis. A little help with depression would b nice too. What r the things I need to b aware of if I go in a shop to buy it. How much does it cost? What is a good dosage for a beginner? Help!!

  22. I have hepatitis C, chrones, and ulcerative colitis and I’ve been in several car wrecks so my back is definitely screwed, before Kratom I couldn’t imagine getting through my day without taking a pill, and because of the hep c, pills are reallllly bad for my liver and can cause cerosis much more quickly because of the fact that your body is already attacking itself and of course your liver. Now I can’t imagine my life without kratom. I used it to get myself off of subboxone as well and I’m telling you now my life is much better for it.

  23. After reading these posts, I simply must share my method of ingestion. I’ve been taking kratom on and off for a few years to get through withdrawal from pain meds if I run out. I do a modified “toss and wash.” I get a teaspoon (although I recommend starting with 1/4 or 1/2 teaspoon) ready, then I take a swig of fluid, orange juice is best, and hold it in my mouth. I lean my head back and dump the teaspoon into my mouth with the oj, and swallow everything like I’m taking a pill. It works great and I hardly even taste anything. Just for the record, I find green strains best for getting through withdrawal. It really helps to taper off your meds a bit if you can. I find I have to take a lot the first few days, then I can taper off the kratom. I always experience some discomfort during withdrawal, even with kratom, but the intensity is tolerable, especially with Xanax.

  24. Have never heard of this stuff, sounds like what I have been searching for my whole life, no more depending on doctors that know less than me about addiction, if what Im reading is true this news needs to make world-wide headlines!

  25. I’m also looking for information on these herbs. It’s all new to me. Have had HIV for 33 plus years along with more injuries, conditions and undiagnosable illnesses then I care to remember. PAIN is the only thing that stops me for fighting for my life. We all know pain leads to depression. Been on the narcotic treadmill and withdrew my self from all narcotics but methadone. I would appreciate any research information or input from a long time user of these products. Also interested in best online sites, etc. I’m a science project, should have been dead years ago and I would love to be able to deal with the pain. Peace.

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