Please be aware that the below charts reflect estimates and not exact measurements consistent across all kratom vendors. While it is recommended that you buy a scale to correctly measure your kratom, these charts offer support for those who are unable to do so.

When measuring an extract, we strongly recommend purchasing a small digital scale as they often have a significantly higher degree of variability.

Average Powdered Leaf

1 gram0.035 ounces
50 grams1.75 ounces
100 grams3.5 ounces

Crushed Leaf

1 Tablespoon2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon0.9 grams
000 Capsule0.70 – 1 gram

Bali Powder

1 Tablespoon6.2 grams
1 Teaspoon2.3 grams
000 Capsule0.75 – 1 gram

Maeng Da Powder

1 Tablespoon7 grams
1 Teaspoon2.6 grams

Green Malay Powder

1 Tablespoon6.9 grams
1 Teaspoon2.4 grams

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Extract00 Capsule DosageEquivalent Powdered Leaf
Gold Reserve Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram7-8 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Indo Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf
ISOL-8 Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-7 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Maeng Da Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Red Kali Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf

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  1. Samsonite

    FYI if you have a harbor freight tools store near you you can get a decent digital scale for relatively cheap ($5 – $10)

    1. Susan

      If you are really poor, like on disability, you can also get a free digital scale by doing the free trial of Stamps d0t c0m. Just remember to cancel your subscription before they start charging you. (I don’t advocate this for people who can afford a $10 scale, but some people just can’t.)
      Short list of legitimate dealers of real kratom can be found in the kratom section of Erowid.

  2. Rick

    I’m curious…I found kratom about a year and a half ago and I …like you found a strain that was perfect…but for some reason something is wrong…I ain’t getting the same results like before…I am doing different strains and different doses about every 2 to 3 hours…help me out here and give me an idea on how to get this straight…thanks

    1. Taylor St. John

      Hey, Rick! Sounds like you’re dosing several times a day on a regular basis (please correct me if that’s not the case!). If so, that will shoot your tolerance through the roof fairly quickly as far as kratom’s pain relieving, mood lifting, and euphoric effects are concerned. Regardless of tolerance and dosing frequency, however, the essential sense of mood clarity and stimulation should remain in tact. Try ordering some stem and vein to reset your tolerance. You could also achieve this by taking 2 to 3 days off, pounding a ton of white grapefruit juice, taking diphenhydramine a few hours before, or by taking a gabaergic substance such as gabapentin or phenibut. Phenibut is available for bulk purchasing on line and is very cheap. If you’re interested, try ordering some phenibut hcl powder from LiftMode. They are a solid trustworthy business.

      1. Nancy Nurse

        Can anyone help me please? In HORRIFIC PAIN. I took my very first dose of Green Maray today at 1:30pm; only 1/2 teaspoon as I’m so sensitive to things. I felt slightly euphoric and sleepy, but it never quite allowed me to sleep.. I just ‘hovered’ if you know what I mean. It never touched the pain. My question is, since I took it around 4 and a half hours ago (UK time), is it OK to take some over the counter analgesics? Like Ibuprofen or Aspirin? Many thanks. And, if anyone has any suggestions for pain, I sure would appreciate them!

        1. Gina

          I would start off with one tablespoon.

      2. Jeremy J Blauss

        Where do you buy stem and vein from wana try something like this to reduce my tolerance

    2. Victoria

      Your tolerance is up I’m sure. You can take magnesium. It is supposed to help to not build a tolerance.

    3. Briella

      U need to find a good supply of it I haven’t been many places but only found one place that carry’s red meng da that actually works the other places sold it super cheap but it didn’t help for my withdrawals whatsoever I suggest going back to the original please u got the kratom from that u felt worked to begin with that’s what I had todo

  3. Nicholas

    So basically, one teaspoon is 2.5 grams on average, regardless of what powder you use, however, some of the powder has a more fine consistency and would make it weigh slightly more. The kratom I buy is extremely finely ground, meaning that a teaspoon of my finely ground kratom would weigh slightly above this 2.5g margin. When i weigh a teaspoon of my kratom, it comes to between 2.6g and 2.7g. The way to “measure” the consistency only comes with experience in my opinion, but basically i compress it and then push it down to see exactly how finely ground it is. Mine seems to be even more fine than a grain of sand.

  4. Gern Blanston

    You’re obviously not taking care of the basics sleep hydration nutrition . If you take care if the basics kratom has the same positive effects everyday .

  5. Aye

    Hi. First of all, i think the dosage chart is pretty good. Second, anyone reading this- if you have cash to buy kratom, you have cash to buy a scale. Buy the scale.

    Third. Kratom can be both a life saver and a life killer. Not only does it depend on strain but also your individual biology, dosage, frequency of use etc. I’m experienced but there was a period of time where i found a strain I really liked and it seemed to fix my life problems. It actually lasted with good effect for quite a while, months, almost a year I think, I really thought it just boiled down to strain, however then i developed stomach problems and also anxiety attacks and loss of appetite. Kratom is a “drug” in the sense that it is psychoactive like other drugs- natural or unnatural- there are physical chemicals inside of it that effect your brain.

    It’s like coffee, right.. coffee can make you feel great or shitty… for me i find kratom is totally random with its effect… one day I think “oh see this thing makes me feel better” and another day I’ll think “holy shit why do i feel so terrible” and it’s obvious on both days that the kratom effects are part of this. I feel like my anxiety is so bad on it right now. I’m not really surprised considering there are so many alkaloids in this plant and it’s hitting so many receptors in my brain and in ways that humans don’t even fully understand. I want to come off of it but whenever i don’t take it I feel extremely tired. Definitely dependent on it in some way.

    I will say this though. The withdrawal really sucks but it’s not very long. The part that’s bad for me is that I already have depression and anxiety problems, so even after fully withdrawn i end up turning to stuff like Kratom for relief, which sometimes helps. I guess that’s what you call a Catch22.

    1. 2Fvtal

      I am about halfway through reading your thread. Were the stomach problems attributed to wanting to take kratom on an empty stomach? I took kratom a few times when it first got big in USA like 2015 Ish, now I take it (toss n wash method) frequently and I don’t want to have those problems. I agree with what you’re saying

      1. Sari

        Definitely caused buy an empty stomach. Even if it’s partially full. What I’m saying is you need to eat more than a granola bar and yogurt with maeng da at least. I don’t have that issue with Bali. I agree with what AYE says too though. Although I’ve never had a dependency to it. I’ve taken it off and on for about 8 years. Like today’s September 16th, I’ve taken it 3 times since August 26th. So about once a week. The dosage chart I would say is accurate. I sometimes go 3 to 8 weeks without taking it. I have pain fairly moderate to severe but not typically everyday. Aye, I would assume you have daily chronic pain.

  6. Aye

    Hi. First of all, i think the dosage chart is pretty good. Second, anyone reading this- if you have cash to buy kratom, you have cash to buy a scale. Buy the scale.

    Third. Kratom can be both a life saver and a life killer. Not only does it depend on strain but also your individual biology, dosage, frequency of use etc. I’m experienced but there was a period of time where i found a strain I really liked and it seemed to fix my life problems. It actually lasted with good effect for quite a while, months, almost a year I think, I really thought it just boiled down to strain, however then i developed stomach problems and also anxiety attacks and loss of appetite. Kratom is a “drug” in the sense that it is psychoactive like other drugs- natural or unnatural- there are physical chemicals inside of it that effect your brain.

    It’s like coffee, right.. coffee can make you feel great or shitty… for me i find kratom is totally random with its effect… one day I think “oh see this thing makes me feel better” and another day I’ll think “holy shit why do i feel so terrible” and it’s obvious on both days that the kratom effects are part of this. I feel like my anxiety is so bad on it right now. I’m not really surprised considering there are so many alkaloids in this plant and it’s hitting so many receptors in my brain and in ways that humans don’t even fully understand. I want to come off of it but whenever i don’t take it I feel extremely tired. Definitely dependent on it in some way.

  7. Z

    I have been trying to do as much research as possible about Kratom. I have chronic back pain from a bad accident. I’ve had many back surgeries, other back procedures and doctors have put me on heavy pain killers that i just stopped because of all the possibles and pain pills r so over rated. I also take seizure meds that I want to make sure that kratom WONT interfer with. So my question is has anyone heard of that kind of interactions? What would a good dose be with the maeng da be for pain but for also a first time kratom experimentmenter?

    1. Ashe

      Okay I know this post isn’t about dxm but I was lot at some of the comments because I got on here to see kratom dosages. Anyway just thought this might help at least one important soul just because all souls are important I’m gonna give you a brief testimony on dxm. Here goes: I was in a fight with my chick one night and shit got out of hand, the fight was because of DXM.( Done it to the max for 5-6 good years). Anyways that night cops said to give her half of the money in my bank account and to take what I had and stay in a hotel that night. Excuse my grammar I’m not and English professor. So I did what they said. Well I ended up taking a high high dose probably a few thousand milligrams between that night and the next day. Well I started having a siezure like never before and I swear on God and everything I know that I knew it was a fatal one this time. So I contacted gf and she was on the way while I’m dying and sucking water down like it was going out of style. She got there, I go to hospital, start convulsing more, they do chest x-ray and I’m just siezing with foam running out of mouth. Then I flatlined. I had very interesting out of body experience, came back to life and am here to live and tell about it. My friends, strangers, if you are using dxm and are very addicted please contact me my fb is Ashe Sullivan I think I’m the only person with that name and should have pic of me and my gf or my gf and daughter with me. Please contact me I will help you if you want help please. I will go out of my way to help you and coach you on how to stop because it can take your life from you and you won’t get it back and it will be too late to regret it. Please find me on Facebook. Thank you and goodbye everyone.

      1. Glinda

        Please post your experience on Ashe. I and many others around the world would benefit from reading your experience. You may also find that you are NOT alone. Thank you for your time.

      2. Patricia Humphries

        I know this has nothing to do with any posts but i see my Suboxone doctor every two weeks and I have to show up positive for suboxone in a urine test. If i take kratom in between the time i see him, will i go into precipitated w/d if i take 4 mg suboxone the day i see him? I’d like to get off Suboxone completely right now but I can’t it’s complicated. I just wanted to know if I can take suboxone the day after I take Kratom not going to withdrawal. Thanks for any help

        1. Beenthere Donethat

          Not if u are actually stable on the subs. That precipitated withdrawal thing is a lie. U will only get sick if ur dependent on a full opioid agonist, like morphine & such, not if ur dependence is on bupe, or if ur not dependent at all. U can even take them at the same time & the only ill effect would be the possible weakening or blocking of the kratom effect

          1. Tony

            You can take the sub the same day as the kratom, the sub has no effect on kratom, they work on 2 different receptors, kratom is not an opiate.

        2. Amy

          You know what girl my husband KICKED with kratom! DO IT! We drink the red borneo and i drink bc i have chronic life long back issues and constant pain. I made him 1 tsp in a big shaker bottle w apple juice and whenever he felt sick he just took a chug. BAMMO! Ive used kratom for years at least 5 now and about 3 years in i cold turkey-ed and was slightly inconvienced for a week, mild withdrawals. I KNOW you can do this! i slowed waaaaay down these days but kratom for pain is my choice these days

        3. Broonz

          I’m on suboxone maintenance as well, and I take Kratom every other day. From my personal experience and from what I’ve researched, there are no I’ll effects. You can take Kratom before, after, or even while on suboxone.

        4. Pam

          I was on a large dose of tramadol and my doctor said to add Naltrexone and there wouldn’t be any effects but I had full on withdrawal and it was bad.

          1. Taylor St. John

            I despise Naltrexone. It works for some, but it really gave me rough depression. Of course, you need to be at least 7 days detoxed from any opiate/opioid before taking it…unless you want to experience immediate rapid precipitated withdrawal, which is what happened in your case. I’m surprised that was recommended to you seeing that Tramadol binds to the mu opioid receptor sites. Naloxone might have been a different story, but there’s a reason why it works perfectly in the case of Suboxone (correct proportions – buprenorphine/partial mu opioid receptor agonist to naloxone/antagonist). Sorry you had to experience that! It’s horrific. Lol. It happened to me three times with kratom. I was looking to detox and take a short break, and I had ingested an ounce of Malay the night before, and wow…it punched me straight in the face!

        5. TIFFANY EARLY

          I’m sorry for being late but I used subs for awhile and had to get off them 8mg 3 a week…ok so when I got off them I used Kratom and I’m telling you it’s better

      3. Raymond

        No longer on facebook, Ashe Sullivan?

        1. Kristina

          I don’t know if he is. I really hope he didn’t die…🤧😒Dxm killed a friend of mine…… after 4 years…. that shit is nothing to mess with.

    2. David

      I have arthritis in my back and joints from years of carpet installation. I have had a hip replacement and both knees need repaced. I went from only walking a short distance and having to stop because of pain. I took 10 ibuprofen gabupenten. I started using a green kratom in a small amount 1/2 teaspoon a day and I can walk normally now. This is all I take. I just had shoulder surgery from form rotor cuff and nerve damage I took for 5 days and stopped and went back to Kratom. and real good. I also found my mood is better. This has been life changing for me.

  8. Persephone

    I realize how old this is, but I feel compelled to comment.

    Kratom is an amazing plant, and it will absolutely help decrease or completely eliminate the physical and psychological symptoms of OPIATE/OPIOID withdrawal, NOT BENZO WITHDRAWAL. Kratom and benzos act on completely different receptors, and benzo withdrawal done without medical supervision can KILL YOU. I’ve never heard of anyone dying from opiate withdrawal (although I’m sure it’s happened somewhere), you’ll just wish it would kill you; seizures and death are very likely results of a cold turkey withdrawal from benzos.

    I’m begging anyone who is contemplating a benzo (or alcohol) kick to seek medical attention. The safest thing you can do is present at the emergency room, tell them that you’re addicted to benzos, and that you need a detox. They will admit you (at least in NY they will) and start you on a medication regimen that includes either diazepam or librium. They won’t discharge you with a script, and the next several months will suck, but you won’t be dead. At that point, kratom might help you with your anxiety and certainly with your depression. I find it helps me sleep (depending on the strain, of course) and I’m a world-class insomniac. It gives me energy, mood elevation, pain relief, focus, and complete freedom from opiates/opioids. I used it to kick suboxone cold turkey (I was taking 8 mg a day for over a year and just got so sick of the constant stress of worrying about getting my script filled, running out, having a roommate steal it, blah blah blah). After the fourth day off, I started drinking the tea (Bali OG made from dry leaf at 10 g per dose, x3/day and then down a gram a day after the 5th day). It’s a wonderful thing.

    But ALL WITHDRAWAL IS NOT THE SAME. As I said earlier, opiate withdrawal is not likely to kill you; benzo and alcohol withdrawals and and very often DO kill people every single day. If you can’t get what you need to do a safe taper at home, I’m begging you to get medical help.

    1. Arelia Bautista

      I was prescribed oxycodone for 7 years. Due to fibromyalgia, arthritis in my back and herniated discs in my back and neck from a car accident. I am currently on day 5 no opiates day 5 of Kratom. I am experiencing a lot of bloating though and headaches. Is that common? I take mang da, 1 teaspoon every 4 hours. So like 4-5 teaspoons a day. Any advice welcome. Ty

      1. Libba

        You might need to take some stool softener, then laxative if that doesn’t help. Drink lots and lots of water- I try to drink around 5-6 (16.9oz size)bottles daily, along with other beverages. Ive noticed the bloat too, but the added water keeps it to a minimum. If I don’t hydrate, my belly looks like I’m preggers!!

      2. Marissa

        Your taking way to much hon. Email me if you have questions, I’d love to hear how your doing.

        1. Carmelita

          Hi I just got my first order of Bali red vein I’m trying to come off high dosage of oxcontin and condone do you think you could help me with how much to take and when is it safe to start it

          1. J

            All I can say is kratom is amazing. I’m a pill addict. Especially opioids. Decided I was done. I ran out and had gone about 72 hours without So I went and bought this indo white strain and it’s weird how it happens. It takes a while. It doesn’t packet that pill punch. But after a while like an hour and a half later I started feeling happy, talkative, pain free, and had an incredible amount of focus and energy. The crazy thing is it lasted all day. I didn’t have a pill craving at all. With pills I’d want more in two hours. I don’t know what a big dose is but I’m used to 100-130 mg/day hydro/oxy habit 1-15 rock and 1-10 norco. I’ve tried up to about 7 which hit hard but 6 capsules seem to work all day. I take one at night it’s called club 13 horn. I was dumb and took 9 capsules which is about 8g. So any help on good strains and doses would be great. I just can’t believe I have no withdrawals and feel so energetic and focused st work. I install cabinets for a living and and feel this kratom works miracles! Take it from somebody who was diagnosed with a back problem and have been on fentanyl payches,morphine, dilaudid, opana methadone, and all the others. Do your research. Find the right type and take the right amount and you will be amazed!

        2. Timothy

          Hey trying to quit suboxone using kratum was on 8mg a day wanted to know how much kratum would I need to keep wd a bay

          1. Bryant

            8mg is a pretty high sub dose. Tapering is painless if you go slow. I started at 8mg a day, then tapered down over about a year to where one 8mg strip lasts a month…yes one strip a month. It takes an exacto knife to cut the doses lol. In any case even at that low dose I still had bad withdraw without it. I recently jumped to Kratom, 3 grams several times daily for first week, then down to 2 grams twice a day. Sometimes a third dose if I’m feeling crappy. My advice to you is that less is more, kratom has a bell curve response meaning too high of a dose and the effects are canceled and you just barf and have a headache. The switch to kratom was painless, slept fine the first night. My low sub dose was definitely an advantage.

          2. Tara

            I’m doing the exact same thing right now if you get a good answer please pass it on cus this is awful. Good luck to you

          3. Travis

            4 to 5 grams should do the trick. I’m also on subs 8 mg and when I run out I buy kratom capsules and I usually take 8 to 10 and it makes me feel about 90% better I’d not more. I notice I can feel things more and like listening to music when I come off subs and do kratom. Suboxone numbs you and it’s nice to feel things again but it’s so hard to quit especially when my doctor just gives me 30 a month 🙄

          4. Guy

            I’m on 2 mg of subs and want to get off it. Does this really work??

          5. Major Tom

            2m of Sub can be done cold turkey but with 10or so grams of kratom a day you’ll be fine. Sell the subs to an addict and buy 80grams of K. The addict has meds to help him and you get plenty of K. I pay 15$ 50grams and take it over 3-4 days. I’m early in this trial but happy to be off sub’s. They’re addictive and cause long withdraw symtoms and you don’t even feel high. Not worth it. Methadone is the best drug to get “clean” you can get strung out tho if they let you go to 100mil a day. I lost 2yrs on methadone bc my dose was 100. 50m would have been better but addiction makes you abuse everything even treatment meds. Kratom is working so far..2weeks off Sub. Herb helps to. Xanax is the only one I have not been able to kick. There’s no Suboxone type of pill for benzos so I’m hoping kratom will help me taper off those to

          6. Britney Royce

            There is alot of misinformation on this thread. ALOT! The post that bugs me the most is someone who wrote that one would feel like crap for a day when stopping kratom. I have been on it for 2 years, the withdrawals can be horrible if taken over a few months with increased dosages (because like opiates, you build up a tolerance). I refer you to the sub named “quittingkratom” on Reddit which has over 10,000 members.

          7. Pamela

            I started Red Maeng Da strand and that’s the strand with more of an euphoric feeling and pain free experience. I highly recommend this strand for pain.

          8. Donnie

            This comment is for “Major Tom.” This is long, so read it when you’re able to relax for a bit. I feel you on the xanax thing. The problem with xanax is it is short acting and comes out of your system very quickly, which is unsafe for something that can kill you, not to mention the worst kinda hell you’ll ever experience. I thought I would never get off of xanax. I had a seizure going cold-turkey. A BAD one. Still get ticks and stuff, and I think it’s from that. I’ve been off of benzos since… 2011? Ok, here’s how I did it; you have to switch that xanax to a LONGER acting benzo first. I chose valium because it has a very long half life. Klonopin could be decent too, but from xanax, I totally recommend Valium. Start at the lowest dose you can get by with, hell I think I started taking 10 or 20 mg which is quite a lot. But I VERY SLOWLY started to reduce the amount of Valium I was taking, maybe once a week or once every two weeks. Let’s just say I started at 10 mg. After 2 weeks, I started dividing my valiums into quarters. It can be tricky, and I recommend using a VERY sharp knife to cut them, like a good razor. Cut them in half, then cut the halves into quarters. It’s a good idea to get some ready ahead of time so you’ll be prepared. Another good idea is to change from 10 mg to 5 mg pills at some point, which can be divided down even smaller. Pretend it’s a very tiny, delicate suboxone strip. Definitely cut them up while you’re on some and good and relaxed. Take deep breaths if you get shaky, slow down, maybe stop, and start back. It’s not incredibly important to get all the pieces the exact size, because you can start with the biggest pieces and work down to the smallest ones, just by visual comparison. Or even weigh them with a precise milligram scale. The weight of the pieces doesn’t matter, as long as you go from biggest to smallest. So, 10 mg, then down to 3/4 of a 10, which is 7.5 mg, then down to 1/2 a 10 which is 5 mg, then down to 1/4 which is 2.5 mg. Then, try to get 5’s. If you have a good relationship with a doc, and tell them your situation and that this has given you some hope, they shouldn’t be too troublesome about weaning you down. When you get 5’s, quarter them immediately since you’ve already been at 2.5. A quarter of a 5 is 1.25 mg. It’s hard to get them smaller than that, but it is totally possible. If the cutting pills method doesn’t work for you, you could always get a small medicine bottle for liquid, add hot water, crush a valium and stir or shake it well into the warm water. You might still see some powder from the pill in suspension or sinking to the bottom, but the diazepam itself should dissolve well in warm water. Whatever the level of the top of the water, get a permanent Sharpie, divide the height of the water in half as closely as you can, then divide those into halves, and so on. Just remember, each time you half a space, you half the dose. So if you dissolve (1) 10 mg valium into some water, then divide the height of the water in half, each half-segment will be very close to 5 mg. Then, if you half each of those segments, the smaller quartered segments will be 2.5 mg. Same for a 5 mg, down to 2.5 mg halves, and then 1.25 mg quarters. If you can half those, the next 50% reduction is 0.625 mg, and then even half of that is 0.3125 mg. To get the doses this small, you may have to increase the water height a little so the spaces will be a little larger. Just remember, each time you half-down the spaces, the dose gets cut in half. More water equals more space to divide which makes tiny divisions easier, but keep the height of water to a minimum because more water means less potency, not just a lower dose. Potency matters too, so try to use the same amount of water for each pill you dissolve. Don’t try to dissolve more than 1 pill at a time because the division can get a little foggier. Although you can get several small bottles with caps, prepare enough for a whole day, 1 pill per bottle with warm water. I doubt you will be able to get much lower than 0.3125 mg, but I think I jumped off when I was at either the 1.25 or the 0.625 mark. I did mine by cutting pills. If you do the liquid method above, then I recommend investing in one of those plastic medicine syringes, so you can use it to suck up the liquid right on your marks and then pop it. Ignore the marks on the syringe; use your marks on your bottle. I had a LITTLE anxiety coming off of that small dose, but remember valium comes out of you very slowly, so your body has a little more time to adjust. I had no more seizures upon total cessation. Still no seizure to this day. I can even take a benzo once in a blue moon as long as I can control myself, which of course is hard for us addicts. Oh, and learn progressive relaxation techniques, such as laying flat in the floor and tensing each set of muscles in your body from your head to your toe, release each muscle set before contracting the next. Head, then neck, then chest, then belly, then pelvis, thighs, shins, calves, feet, toes. And then go back up from toes to head. Don’t forget to focus on slow, deep breaths. Exhale as you release contracted muscles, and imagine the tension evaporating out of your skin, right through your pores. Do this any time you feel the anxiety coming on, during and after tapering the valium, before it can escalate to panic. Breathing into your cupped hands or a paper bag for a moment can have a calming, centering effect too, due to the inhalation of SMALL amounts of carbon dioxide going back into circulation. Use this when you panic. Just don’t breathe in a bag for more than about 30 seconds at a time. Stop and breathe normal air slowly if you get light-headed from the CO2. Progressive relaxation will put your focus elsewhere than the anxiety, and this was INSTRUMENTAL for me once I kicked the low doses altogether. Having someone to vocally guide your progressive relaxation is a big help too, a calm voice. There are also tons of guided videos about this on YouTube. I always thought progressive relaxation was some kind of new-age aquarian crack-pot focacta, but once I caved and tried it truly, it REALLY worked for me, and this whole process of weaning and relaxing can theoretically work for anyone who is careful enough about dosing. If you hate math, get a nerdy friend to read this and help you. If you’re still confused, show this to your doctor and perhaps they can clear it up further. Also ask if there are liquid-suspension preparations of valium if possible, the liquid would already be ready to go smaller and smaller. Shit, with precise pharmaceutical grade liquid suspension, you could go down a single droplet at a time! So I hope I’ve made these 3 options clear enough to you for you to do this safely. If you have ANY DOUBT, get help with it, like medical help. I am an ADDICT, NOT a DOCTOR or other medical professional. You should always be wary of internet advice, even mine. This is why I HIGHLY recommend you show this to a doctor who is willing to work with you for the right reasons. It’s MORE than possible to do this. But you have to be VERY PATIENT with yourself. I would not expect to lower a dose in any shorter interval than once every 2 weeks to be safe. And if you’re uncomfortable with going down in dose by 50% each time, then your doctor might have solutions for that. You most likely will have some rebound anxiety, it is expected. Patience. Diligence. Acceptance of the fact that this drug has turned you into a shell of your former self. It has deadened things in you, and your reasoning and resolve are in a half-asleep state. You can’t be a whole person while addicted to drugs like these. The drug takes away your wholeness, it is LITERALLY a demon to be reckoned with. It removes parts of you that will slowly wake back up as you wean down. Similar with opiates also in this psychological aspect. You… “wake up.” … you start feeling things you haven’t felt in a long time. And some of it is BETTER than euphoria. But it can be VERY emotional. Cry if you need to, whenever you need to. Don’t be afraid of venting ALL the poison from your body, including the psychological poison caused by drugs and repressed memories and feelings. I’m happy to say that my anxiety is under good control nowadays. You should never expect to be free of anxiety. But if you learn progressive relaxation techniques, and methods of dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder, you wlll be armed with what you need for success. A psychiatrist or psychologist during the whole process would be helpful too. They can GUIDE your exploration of your new-found self gently, and help prevent you from spiralling down suddenly. Support structure. People who care. People who want to see you well and whole, but will not use negativity or toxic feedback to get you there. Gentle people. Not everybody has people like these. That’s when you get professionals and support groups. The more tools you can arm yourself with, the better your odds of success. I hope I’ve helped here, and I PRAY that “Major Tom” finds the vast freedom they deserve!!! Go in light and love. You are a universe within yourself. Awaken your inner self, your inner beauty. Once you see those glimmers of hope, and you truly get tired of xanax, you will overcome it, one way or another. Humans have succeeded at MUCH more daunting tasks in history! YOU CAN DO THIS. I BELIEVE IN YOU. mailto:[email protected] if I can help in ANY way. That goes for anyone who needs this crap out of their lives.

          9. Mack

            Hey I completely kicked Subs with Kratom. I tapered down to 1mg a day and the first day I got to 1mg I was feeling shitty so I went and bought maeng da kratom powder not and extra just powdered leaves and put about 5g in a Gatorade shook it up, to two nice gulps the sipped the rest slow and i felt better in like 20 mins I was eating my stomach rumbling lol. Then everyday I just made a tea with maeng da. This one gives u more energy than the rest and when coming off of opiates that’s really what u need. There used to be a company called me nice guy that mad a lot of strong extracts but they were closed down for making spice a few years back. But those were by far the best I’ve ever had. But u can do it for sure as a long term thing or just take it for a week or two after u stop the subs. Then taper from the kratom. And you’ll be good to go.

          10. Helen J Allen

            I was given Suboxone for withdrawls from a high daily dosage of Oxycodone. 8mg six hours after taking my last Oxycodone tablet. I waited seven hours. I ended up in the hospital with horrid side effects because I was prescribed an overdose of Suboxone. The correct dosage is 2mg 48 hours after the last Oxycodone tablet! I was in the hospital for three days. I still had to take the Suboxone, which I hated. The side effects were intolerable, but I did get about 5% pain relief from taking the strips–which I had to cut into eigths so I wouldn’t end up in the hospital again. Compared to the 90% pain relief I received from the Oxycodone, taking the Suboxone was a real waste of time for me. The minor relief I received from the Suboxone was better than nothing though…
            I know my situation may be unique, but I wanted to WARN you all of my experience.

        3. William Williams


          I did the Waissmann Method, Ultra Rapid Detox, to get off a 6 month Fentanyl usage after surgery. After 9-10 days of no sleeping after the detox a friend recommended Kratom. I’ve used it a few times and it really helps, but only for about 5-6 hours and if I don’t take it the withdrawals come back -I think worse. I can’t tell yet. I’m terrified and just want my life back. Do you have any suggestions? Has using the Kratom reset my detox process? I’m so frustrated and just dying to be a normal person again that doesn’t need these things. How do I come off the Kratom? Is there any good, easy way off?

          1. Adam

            Keep taking your Kratom buddy and tapper down with the Kratom over time. Until your not taking it one day you will feel rough for a day but it only lasts a day bro you can do this

          2. DQ

            Of course the withdrawal symptoms come back after five or six hours. Kratom is not a magic leaf that, if taken once, your body will relieve its dependence on opioids. Because of it’s half-life(every drug or substance whose effects can be felt has a half-life, the length of time it produces effects which can be felt), you have to take it roughly every six hours to keep the opioid withdrawal symptoms at bay. People are amazing.

          3. Pigfist

            Never ask medical advice from anyone other than a medical professional. Almost every suggestion in this thread is ridiculous. But people like to make others think they know what they’re talking about…DQ for instance says “Because of it’s half-life(every drug or substance whose effects can be felt has a half-life, the length of time it produces effects which can be felt). Ummm wrong, that is not what the “half life” of a drug is. And also every drug, even asprin has a half life, which is only a term to describe the rate at which the particular medications presence in the body is eliminated by half.

          4. Major Tom

            Kratom is the lesser of two by far. Opioid addiction kills, period. Stay on the K for ever if you need to, it’s natural and won’t ruin and or end your life.

          5. J

            You might be exporting some of what they call PAWS. Post AcuteWidthdralSyondrome. Unfortunately for me it was worse than the actual detox. It just never seems to end. Just didn’t freel good. Had depression and actually almost committted suited. If you get the right type of Kratom it will do wonders! Find the kratom bible web page. It’ll teach you the benefits of each strain and even which ones to mix for multiple effects.

          6. Ida

            Hey man, I know this is late for you but might help someone else. You need to eat certain things to rebuild the neurotransmitters in your brain, that’s the stuff that gets messed up with opiate use. There’s some good websites and blogs about what food to eat to rebuild the damaged neurotransmitters but the main thing is eating meat, it has all the amino acids to fix the brain, and also butter or ghee for the fat which is also good for the brain.

        4. Veronica

          Day 5 for me. Ive tried taking 5g at once and ive tried 3 grams . I can’t seem to find the right dosage to help withdrawal. Any advice would be appreciated.

          1. Julia

            Veronica, less is more! Start slow. Also make sure you have the right vein! Red vein for RLS, 𝐏𝐚𝐢𝐧, relaxation, anxiety, and green for focus energy and mild pain relief. 3-5g per dose, every 4-6 hours. STAY HYDRATED, or it can send you into kidney failure. Kratom is in the coffee family, and is a major diuretic, so you wanna make sure you are drinking lots of water.

          2. Sofia

            Did you find any help??

          3. Jennifer

            I been on Subutex for 7 years and I’m sick of having to go through withdrawal because I can’t get my medicine I have the red vein capsules and white maeng de kratom what’s the best to help with the withdrawal

          4. TheGuy

            Kratom and edible medicinal marijuana are miracle plants. I Quit oxycodone after 12 years of use. Never missed a single day during that stretch. In less than two weeks I was off everything including the kratom. You forget how great it feels to be sober, coherent, and you will be hyper motivated for life after your accomplishment. If you don’t live in a state where you can get rso or other edibles….take a road trip.

          5. B

            I’m the beginning I was only taking 2-4 g’s Because I was afraid of taking too much and messing my tolerance up too fast, but to be honest, it wasn’t until I started taking 7-10 g’s Every 6 hours, that I finally have relief. I’m on day 6 no subutex, and 2 years no klonopin.

        5. Joshua

          Hi marissa, I am on day 5 of coming off 12 mg suboxone a day, but docs had me on 32 mgs to begin with…which is ridiculously high. I’m using maeng da powder and taking 3-4 tablespoons, is this too much to stave off these withdrawals? It has helped a lot but I’m wondering if this is too much. Just feeling like absolute hell right now and my mind is going crazy! I can’t believe how hard these sub withdrawals are hitting me

          1. downtownhumanoid

            32mg of suboxone? that makes no sense due to first pass metabolism and it not being a full agonist. the ceiling is near 8 MG. after that, the subsequent doses are useless. now subutext may be a different story being it lacks naloxone. all I know is that CBD has been shown to rebuild proteins in the front of the brain damaged by opiate abuse, and honestly has helped me greatly get my methadone, heroin, fentanyl and benzo addiction on the correct path. I think CBD combined with Kratom used for the correct situations can be a huge help. peace and blessinga to all.

          2. Debby

            Hi! Been tapering since end of May. I started taper at 2 mg strips suboxone. My brain/memory became toast after 5 years & i know this is familiar scenario. I’m down to about (cutting strips it’s hard to figure exact dose) about .33 mg now and feel ok, is that weird? I’ve been drinking kratom tea bali red) once maybe twice a day. I think I’m ready to jump to ZERO Suboxone. I’ve done this twice before (without kratom) I thought I was going insane (put myself in in patient). This Time feels different, like I can take my last run in and do three or 4 cups of crate him a day and I’ll be OK. Any suggestions would be so appreciated. ☮️ Debby

          3. Julia

            Joshua, if you are not feeling like shit then it’s the right dose. I am on day 4 coming off heroin, and I am taking 5g every 4-6 hours as needed. I will tell you the red vein will be a lot more helpful during the detox process, it will help RLS, 𝐏𝐚𝐢𝐧, anxiety, etc. i highly recommend red Bali and red Thai. Always get powder.

          4. Brenda

   may be an opposite like me. Only White Maeng Da and White Borneo help my pain and keep me calm. Try taking 5 grams every five hours. Make sure you have a good vendor though! That is key!

          5. Meg

            Joshua, my daughter used kratom to get off suboxone and had the best results with red Bali, green Bali, and red Thai, and found that maeng da was not helpful (it caused her anxiety).

          6. Lara

            I don’t know if anyone will see this. So I’ve been prescribed subs going on 2 years. I hate them. I managed to get myself down to 4mg a day. I began with 1.5g 2x a day. Because I can’t sleep past 4am I have begun a 323rd 1.5g dose. I have no appetite but I take my kratom with applesauce or in a milkshake so that helps. 15mg of CBD before bed along with 2 diphenhydramine help. I toss and turn but definitely sleep a solid 6 hours and in the past I just didn’t sleep.
            Upside: I poop again
            Still able to work out daily
            Generally doing okay
            Downside: my pooh is green lol
            My hormones are in hyperdrive.
            I feel like punching my. Downstairs so it will stfu……. Oh

            If I can help anyone, id be super mega happy to do so. 🙂

          7. Jessica

            I have been through sub withdrawal
            Many of times. You have to just know
            That everyday gets better!

          8. Major Tom

            The ceiling effect on Sub is 16m. I was in a trial group B4 it was FDA approved so I’m quite familiar with this medication. It’s detox is no as intense as oxy or H but last 10/12days. I detoxed off methadone for 36 days B4 committing myself. Taper off the Sub , nothing will stop 32mil of sub detox. Drop to 16 now then 4 a week till the last and take 2m for a couple days then start Kratom. I’ve got 2 weeks so far and eat 50grams every 3days. I still feel like ass but not like cold turkey ass. Suboxone is a life saver and an evil drug that is actually harder to kick than perks or hydros so I think it’s way over prescibed. I was on methadone 2+yrs and saw first timers in treatment being put on methadone or Subutex to quit hydrocodone and shit like that. Take K, smoke weed if you like weed and never look back.. if you do relapse and need treatment go for methadone. Its free and It’s the real deal. You won’t crave shit. But stay below 50m, above that and you’ll nod off all day and it’s the worst drug to detox off, here in WV no rehab would take me unless I was below 40m bc it requires hospital type care to kick cold. Good luck, go to a meeting. I’m a friend of Bill W and Jimmy K you should also

          9. aprylle

            35 mg of methadone and withdrawals are death! I’ve tapered this far and can’t get any further ! (15+ years of use) Kratom is on its way suggestions on how much to start off with?

          10. Blondhorsecrazy

            downtownhumanoid obviously has no medical training or addiction training. 8mg suboxone is far from celing dose. 24 mg is clinical ceiling dose. Please dont take medical advice on these sites. Each body is different.

          1. Tammy Bradshaw

            With what?

          2. Michelle Lottman

            Hey my name’s Michelle coming off subutex down to 0 today. First time in 2 yrs. been on 24mgs 3times a day weaned off so I thought. Taking kratom maeng da 2mg. Caps will it help or make worse

          3. Tina

            Are you ok?

          4. Freddy Simon

            Wholeheartedly agree with Blondhorsecrazy regarding throwing around drugs, herbs, dosages, routes of administration, and my biggest pet peeve is discussions about the effects of poly pharmacy. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE an M.D., D.O., or equivalent training in psychopharmacology should STOP; STOP NOW!!! Folks, there is a reason that doctors, such as me and my colleagues sacrificed anywhere from 10 to 14 years POST-BACHELOR’S degree to learn about how incredibly complex, intricate, amazing AND DIFFERENT EVERY SINGLE PERSON/BODY are from one another. Withdrawal is an unfortunate part of an unfortunate choice that many people were misled to believe was safe, I get it. However, it done under medical supervision opiates WILL NOT kill you (you will wish you were dead, but you WILL NOT DIE from opiates alone).


          5. Kenny b

            What kind of help?

        6. Chill Hundley

          I need help using this for withdrawal please all I can find is the powder, how much power do I take do I put it in hot tea? Help me hurry

          1. Jimmy 5

            I would try capsules first. Didn’t know what i was doing at first and took too much powder and got bad direahha. Start off slow and see how u feel and go from there. I took enough at times that if it was really bad for you something would happen besides the shits or maybe puke…never even puked once. Make sure you get from a good seller as a lot in tobacco stores is poor quality. U Just have to experiment with what works for your body and situation but go slow and increase as you go. Its like no take backs. Once its in you can’t take it out. Well I can but that’s unpleasant. Ive taken kratom for about 5 years and under different circumstances would have used it to get off pain meds…i didnt have any time and was left with few options. Again start slow and see how it body reacts and go from there

          2. Sickntired

            Take 3 big spoon fulls first thing. That’s about 3grams per spoon. Then mid-day if you’re hurting which you will, take 3 more. I’m on week 2 and I eat 50grams every 3days. What are you kicking? If you relapse or the kratom isn’t enough (it’s not a cure just takes the edge off) then check out a methadone clinic. It’s the best thing to stay “clean” just don’t go higher then 50mil or you’ll nod off all day. Kratom is helping me out with my addiction but I went to methadone clinic 2 years then subs for 2 . I was bad off and needed those things but now kratom is helping. Methadone is 10* as strong as morphine and Sub (buph) was originally horse pain meds so kratom can only do so much and I hope you are there but if not then get on methadone or subs. 70,000 people overdose a year and WV is number one. My brother, girlfriend and 2 best buddies are all dead. I’ve known 5/8 more but never buried someone on Sub. Or kratom. Good luck

          3. Todd

            Try Kratom extract In capsules or tablets. It’s stronger and works better, plus you only take one or two at first and work down.

            I’m in middle of suboxone withdrawal. Was on 1/2 of 2mg film a day. Kratom is working great for me, and with the extract I don’t care which strain. I alternate, but prefer white for the energy as I have kids. Helps me a ton!

        7. Monique Stewart

          Hello Marisa Today is my first day of no opioids and I really have a lot of questions about kratom.Please reach back T me Ty

        8. Sergio

          Im staring to use please help with doses

          1. Thomas Gardner

            What are you coming off of? What is your doc? Red Bali works best. I’m coming off a ten year long run with methadone and I take 5 to 7 grams every 4 to 6 hours, around with Soma/ Gabapentin / Imodium / Clonidine. The Soma/Gabapentin works the best for me as it relaxes me and calms the nerves down. I take mine with honey and chia seeds. It had worked wonders. No exaggeration! Hope this helps. I’m 28 feature free of methadone. I’m going to start tapering down on kratom soon. The methadone withdrawals usually last 5 to 6 weeks on its own. It’s the bonafide king of withdrawals for it’s length of time and pain. Also, use white grapefruit juice to help potentiate the kratom. This is for anyone curious on how this works. YOU CAN DO IT. I’m living proof.

          2. LIVE

            It’s honestly a guessing game at first. My first day off suboxone I took 1 every hour til the pain in my legs and arms eased up a bit. I think I took 12 caps. They’re 1.6grams . each. I took an average of 2 or 4mgs. A day. Depending mostly on my insomnia. Feel it out. Start with smaller and work your way up. Once the first week of hell is past you can start taking less. If you take it for a few months it’s fine. But 6+ months it may be a bit tougher to come off. Day 3 and my legs aren’t dying in pain. Its helped so much. Plus a ton of water/gatorade,imodium tablet once a day (after a small meal), goody packets (I take back and body pain, extra strength and pm) alternating. Hylands restful leg tablets are A GOD SEND. without them I was sobbing every 20 minutes. Day 2 was the hardest. I said 50 times (I can’t do it). I’m just going to the doctor. Screw this. I woke up today and realized how close I am to freedom. I’ve had the flu before, horrible lung infections, etc. Those were all for nothing. This is for my life. To get MY life back. MY control..being ruled by anything is no way to live. Please push on! Lean on people even if you have to go to a meeting to find someone to talk to.

        9. Ty Winsheimer

          She is coming off 7 years of Oxy, she isn’t taking too much. I cant believe she is only taking that much with the kind of withdrawals 7 years of Oxy creates.

        10. Tara

          Hi I’m looking into Kratom for a friend who’s addicted to opioids he’s taking 3 to 5 Percocets a day and is really struggling to kick them I herd Maeng Da White Vein Kratom Is the best how much should he take and will it work

        11. Stephani R

          If you know how doing goes could you email me I have a few questions

        12. Katie liljedahl

          I can relate to her story. Can you talk to me?

        13. Tiffany Ward

          Hi Marissa… my name is Tiffany and I have some questions I was wondering if there are any way that you could help me out at all since you seem to be fairly knowledgeable. Could you email me? Thank you so very much in advance. And have a good day.

        14. Tiy

          Im so confused on how much i should take.. i quit opiates cold turkey after 8 years and bow an trying to get something out of kratom that i miss from opiates but dont want to do opiates again.. i have taken 5 capsules like it says then nothing so i did like 8 caps.. again I don’t think i felt anything and then 12 today waiting to see. Ive tried the red bali and the white maeng da and red marng da and also a green one.. what am i doing wrong? Im 5’5 170 lbs

          1. Love

            Hi Tiy, what kind, what dose and how many times a day were you taking the narcotics? For Kratom, it depends 100% on the vendor/type/and percentage of the actual kratom vs just twigs and crap ground up (what the tobacco stores sell, that’s all crap but can kind of help in a pinch) I 100% recommend you check out ‘Kraken Kratom’ online, they are the best by FAR-no comparison. It’s not cheap (well they have the cheap strains too but that’s not what you’re looking for by the sounds of it, but their cheap strains are 100x better than tobacco/head shop junk)), but well worth it. Buy the loose powder not capsule (actually really doesn’t matter as long as you buy the true, potent, quality kratom, they put the same powder in the capsules and just charge you more for it, you’ll just need to swallow like 4-6-8 capsules depending on the strain) or you can even buy the liquid drops (which is SUPER easy to take/doesn’t taste bad at all but you really have to take a lot and it’s even more expensive than caps, friend keeps a vial of drops in her purse for when she’s out and about and takes 3-4 drops here and there between powder doses) but it’s not as potent. Also you can and should call Kraken/email them and tell them what you are dealing with (within reason, like “I have chronic pain and I was taking ‘x’ milligrams of ‘x’ narcotic ‘x’ times a day for ‘x’ amount of years and I want to switch to natural kratom, what do you suggest’) and they will help you find what you need, knowing of course they are not allowed to give you medical advice whatsoever, and most importantly they are only allowed to sell an herbal supplement that doesn’t claim to help a single thing etc.. and most states only allow them to sell it under the pretenses of like ‘research’ or something. For my friend, she would use the very high-potency/high-alkaline “extract” Kratom powder and take like 1.5-ish heaping teaspoons full (it SO depends on the potency-medium to shitty potency she’d take 3-4+ teaspoons) every about 3-4 hours, depending on how sick she was feeling from detoxing, at the beginning of weaning/withdrawing from the narcotics. Take it straight, not mixed with anything, plug your nose and wash it down with water or something warm is even better because it really sticks in your mouth/teeth, swish it around in your mouth until you get it all down. It truly doesn’t taste nasty she says, just like taking a mouthful of very dry and very fine powdery herbs or grass/plants). AND-With the ‘good’ strains it even mimics narcotics in ALLLL ways, as long as you buy the extracts/HIGH alkaline and take enough, which sounds like what you are wanting. This was on like a 200mg+ a day narcotic (hydro and Oxy) habit for many years. This, and like 6 Imodium at a time couple times a day, and a benzo (Xanax, Ativan, clonaz.) if you can be prescribed it (be careful esp if you’ve never taken them before, do NOT mess around with benzos, take like a half if you have minimum experience/tolerance or a whole one if you do have tolerance/experience, when you want/need to go to sleep, but be careful, canNOT stress that enough. There’s no ‘antidote’ for benzos if you stop breathing like there is for narcotics, obvs talk to and follow your dr prescription completely..). This quality kratom from Kraken Kratom can be a life saver. Truly. You have to be willing to spend the money (the more expensive the strain, the higher potency and better results like what you are looking for). Also, you’ll need to spend like around $125-150 to get a large enough quantity of the ‘good stuff’ to have like a few+ doses, the really good stuff is sold in super small quantities for like $35+ but again just CALL them so they can help you determine how much you’ll need, they are so so super nice and helpful and understanding. But truly-it works better than anything else, prescriptions included. Delivered quick and express ship avail, straight to your door. Try it, trust me 🙏 And good luck, get your life back the way you want it. We all deserve freedom and happiness so that we can help other people 💗

        15. Denise

          Hi,I’ve been on fentynol for 2 years and herion before that for about 7 years I was an iv user but I gave up the needle 2 years ago and now just snort planning to try Kratom again I gave it a half hearted try about a year ago I wasn’t ready now I’m beyond ready so my question is how can I be sure I’m buying quality kratom they all clam to be the best my first round trying kratom I took maybe a couple of tablespoons of it a couple of times then said it wasn’t helping

        16. Carol Nelson

          I need help please how much red kapuas for pain and white maeng da for energy
          When can i start i took 2mg suboxone 14 hrs ago any advisde is appreciated

        17. Rob

          I have the maeng da kratom green strain jumbo capsules do you know how many I should take to get thru this opioid withdraw? Im on the 1st day

          1. Rob

            Also I’m reading on here that the kratom from the smoke shops are no good, is this true that I maybe wasting my time with this because I’m all out of money and don’t want to go back out there

          2. S Anderson

            Not sure if someone answered you or not. I have exactly what you have as far as kratom. I was told to take 2 of the jumbo pills & try that first. If you feel you need more, you can take 1 more. More than that has made me feel bad but nothing where I got sick or a headache. I can take just 1 at a time, every couple of hours & don’t feel the withdrawals. I’ve taken 6 of the 10/325 hydro’s a day for 10 yrs with 1) 60mg of morphine twice a day. I was able to taper down & stop taking the morphine thankfully but still had a tough time with the hydro. I tapered down to 3 a day & finally took myself off. The kratom has been so good for me but if there’s better than just what I got from the smoke shops then I would love to know so I can find it. I’m ready to have my life back. Hope you get your exact answer but what you’re saying you got, I have that & it seems to work. Hope this made sense ha!

        18. S Anderson

          Hi! I am currently weaning off of opioids (have been for 3 months so I’m down to 3 a day & took myself off completely 4 days ago). I started kratom a month ago to try quitting but had a tough time, so…now that I’m on day 4 with no hydrocodone, what is the best way to use kratom for help & safely quitting the kratom also? I have Bali & Maeng Da. Any help would be more than appreciated.

        19. Crystal

          Hi, I’m on day 3 of Kratom from subs for 3 yrs and other prescribed opiates for 7-8 yrs. how long should I take it before it’s safe to wean without opiate withdrawals? I’m taking 2-3 .5mg caps every 3-6 hrs.

        20. Steve

          Marissa I need help I’m new and really sick and have kratom caps but don’t have any idea how much to take

        21. Jessica Barss'e


          I have been taking liquid methadone at 80mg/daily for 8 years and it has caused me to be very sick as a result of it and cannot find a successful way off of it because to date there simply is NOT ONE! So, I am looking to take it only to help with my withdrawals from methadone while on methadone and other meds. I just want something to make me feel less sick and more productive! So my question is….HOW MUCH WOULD YOU SUGGEST I TAKE SO I KNOW WHAT TO BUY AND IN WHAT FORM IS ADVISED? ?



        22. Jessica Barss'e


          Hopefully this is getting to Marissa!??

          I have been taking liquid methadone at 80mg/daily for 8 years and it has caused me to be very sick as a result of it and cannot find a successful way off of it because to date there simply is NOT ONE! So, I am looking to take it only to help with my withdrawals from methadone while on methadone and other meds. I just want something to make me feel less sick and more productive! So my question is….HOW MUCH WOULD YOU SUGGEST I TAKE SO I KNOW WHAT TO BUY AND IN WHAT FORM IS ADVISED? ?



        23. Becky

          Does kratom really work for opiate withdraw how often and amount should you take I’ve heard after 5 days start lowering it 1g a day what is the best way to use it for withdrawal

        24. Dana

          Marissa i have been prescribed suboxone and am thinking of trying kratom to get off of it. I have a few questions please email me

          [email protected]

        25. Leah L Hobart

          Careful cuz it can mess w liver enzymes and if u feeling bloated try see if any pain where liver is… Cant take for over 7 wks w out damage if everyday…so They Say..

      3. Dave

        You’re dehydrated from the kratom .you have to drink way more water then you normally would.

        1. Hannah

          Hi there, have been using Kratom for quite sometime. Am wondering if how bad wd symptoms may be when I stop and suggestions on how to go about transitioning to something where I don’t need the feel to use something so often. Any tea or natural herbs as suggestions would be so helpful

          1. CMO

            I’m tapering down right now. Currently down from 30 gpd to 10 gpd daily. It has taken me two weeks to get this far. I feel withdraw symptoms every day but they are manageable. I get hit my major irritability that lasts about 2 hours and passes. Also, my sleep is terrible. Others say cold turkey is the way to go. I have been using Kratom for 3 years. I need to take a break.

      4. J w

        I would try to take half teaspoon and then do that every 4 hrs see how u feel

      5. Jessica

        If you get a headache your taking too much for your body to handle. Cut back a little and see if that helps

      6. Bobby Ali

        Yes it is common, I found my self kinda curling my neck because of headache but once I relaxed my face straighten out my neck, it suddenly became bareable, also I was on suboxon so the first full 8 days I was taking 3nto 4 grams every 4 to 6 hours, since suboxone blocks opiod like symptoms. I am now feeling full effect of kratom and now need to cut down to maybe 2 grams, since the 4 grams was wayy to much for me. I am soo Thankful for this and now God has a plan for everything even ebola, aids and all the other stuff western medecines and their like practices try to do to ruin our great nation and as far as the world, they have no limits. If they had no one to judge and if it wasn’t for God’s mercy they would have bombed us to death. But better America super power than china. God Lee who know what they would have done to us

        1. Leah Hobart


    2. murita garcia

      I took 2 tbls of kratom @7:45,and have a apt at 1:00. To get started on buphenorpine for the first time after taking methadone for 15 plus yrs,, will kratom show up on a UA?

      1. Joshua

        It won’t show up on a standard pee in a cup instant ua, they would have to specifically look for kratom alkaloids using a more expensive screening method which I highly doubt they will.

      2. Lora Rumpf

        2 tbsp? Good God woman, cut waaaay down. I take 2 tsp 6-8 hrs for pain that’s max amount. I wish it would help me get off gabapentin that I’ve been taking for 20 some years for mg.

        1. Hunter

          People need to stop bashing on people for their doses. It’s completely up to you and how your body handles it or what amount you need for pain. I take 3-4 tsp every 3-4 hours 4-5 times a DAY. Over 2 years and no adverse side effects except for the occasional constipation. If what you are taking isn’t working for you increase or decrease your dose. Everyone needs to discover their own “sweet spot”

          1. Christopher Blake Fowler

            What’s the best kratum for sub withdrawal

          2. Big T

            Great advice Hunter I have been using kratom for a year or so now I was prescribed 40 mg extended release OxyContin for severe joint pain and arthritis do two years of bodybuilding, when the pain medication was discontinued due to the change of coverage from my health care insurance provider I would purchase pain pills on the the streets, but of course I could never find enough or simply afford the amount that I had been accustomed to receiving under my doctors care so the withdrawal symptoms kicked in. I went a good month and a half of dealing with withdrawal symptoms in between scoring on the street. After hours of intense research and failed home remedies thank God I had finally stumbled across kratom, thinking it was most likely just another overly exaggerated fix for my withdrawals I did travel to another state in which Kratom is legal to purchase, within 20 minutes of ingesting about 5 to 6 g in powder form I was astonished at the results! All my withdrawal symptoms were either greatly reduced to a very manageable level or were completely gone. I continued using Kratom for probably only a week or so 4 to 5 times a day until I felt I was free from the withdraw symptoms. I then waited a week or so feeling normal again and continued using kratom to manage my chronic pain and arthritis and still use to this day with zero side effects. My advice to anyone looking to alleviate opioid withdrawal is to find the kratom strain that works best for you and also the amount that is going to be effective. I generally use red or green Bali sometimes I will mix a little white in with my dosages and I use white grapefruit juice as a potentiator. Good luck to all those seeking relief and keep in mind that there are plenty of opponents that will overly state the negative side effects and falsify kratom effectiveness.

          3. Jimmy 5

            Amen. Everyone is different. The quality is also very impt. Read real reviews and test drive.

        2. Tara

          I take gabapentin because I just had a major surgery and it is not addicting to me I have never herd of it being addicting

        3. Maeve

          I was able to stop Tramadol (100mg) 4x/day and Gabapentin (300 mg) 4x/day with high quality Red vein and Green vein.
          My Kratom dosage is between 3-4.5 every 4-5 hours, depending on the pain.
          I had no withdrawals from Tramadol or Gabapentin.
          Not sure what your dosage is but it worked for me.

          1. James

            I’m going to try to kick tramadol with kratom. 5x 50mg day for 10 years.

            Can I ask how long you were on the trams?
            Your age, weight and gender?
            Also are you still using the kratom and how is your chemistry doing now?
            Sorry for so many questions but your post is the closest I’ve seen to my case. If I get the same result as you I will be one happy man!

      3. Bobby Ali

        Omg get off those meds. Use kratom please. Do not go to subs. There the Devils saliva indeed. Please take it from a 5 year user.

        I stopped feeling, stomach was all. Messed up even messes up your teeth, back ones in particular, immune system goes to shit. It’s not a cure. And definitely not a long term solution.

      4. Harv

        I’m getting ready to kick off fentanyl and subs again. Ordered a kilo of super strength kratom. Pray for me.

        1. Leah L Hobart

          Poor harv i truly pray u made it man.

    3. Haily

      Amen Brother and now you are free again. Peace Out. Many Blessings and a great article.

    4. Aynonomous

      I was in the same boat as you. I did it with Klonopin Was on 3 mgs of Zanex a day forever. I went to a rehab & they put me on 15 mg of Klonopin and then down to ten I was down to 5 at My IOP & off it after 12 weeks It can be done & I had had open heart surgery triple by pass after a mild Heart attack. So I was a high risk patient for seizure to say the least I also had ambien to help me sleep I use neither now almost 3 years later.Get the unnecessary stress out of your life STRESS KILLS It effects every part of your body & mind

      1. Bliss Cameron

        Xanax is a very dangerous drug. To stop it, you should be an in–patient because it can cause your heart to stop.

      2. The Sea

        15 mg of klonopin per day? I don’t think so.

        1. AC

          15 mg would literally never happen

          1. Stacee L Jarka

            It actually does happen and it’s something I personally was prescribed by a dr who literally gave me anything I wanted and I was also given 5, 8 mg tablets of suboxone and 150 mg of instant release adderall. I am 4 years sober and I am thankful every single day. I had to show my dr. Who was in disbelief the pharmacy print out so he would know i was not making it up. Some drs. Are not there to help.

          2. Tiffany Early

            I’m sorry a/c but my mom took that amount back in the eighties

        2. Vanessa


      3. K3nnyg

        I’ve been on suboxone for roughly seven years. This was to come off a 3 gram a day iv habit. Yes it saved my life at the time. Partially I suppose. Over the years I have tried everything and every way known to come off opiates to no avail. I even tried Ibogaine. Twice. Worked for normal opiates(heroin at the time) but not for suboxone. Sadly I relapsed after the ibogaine worked the first time while weaning my wife off. I also used a razor and cut an 8 down 32 times. Even 1/32nd of an 8 mg suboxone once daily produced the worst withdrawals I’ve ever experienced when stopped. In fact I went to jail for 14 days (dismissed. Honestly wasn’t me!) and when I got out I was still just as sick. If u are thinking of getting on subs they may seem like a life saver but they are not. It’s a lifetime contract for a large majority of people. Certainly the hardest to kick and Ive done the gambit. I’ve even seen ads to get OFF kratom with suboxone. That’s the sick health care system we have in the US. As long as they get a new customer they don’t care. I hate to say this but I’m some ways when it comes to opiate cessation in this country at least, don’t just listen to medical professionals. Hell they are likely to have had a lot to do with your current predicament to start with!
        Now the good news…..believe it or not I dismissed Kratom a loooong time ago as too weak to help my kind of addiction. However recently I’ve been reading a great deal of research on it and decided to try it. It’s not just filling opioid receptors. Looking at current research and the areas of the brain Kratom effects I would swear this was made for opioid withdrawal. 15 days ago I took 1/3 of an 8mg strip for the last time. Kratom is the only thing Ive found that has made withdrawal from suboxone bearable. I actually feel perfectly fine at the moment. As a scientist I tend to be very methodical in approach and I base any approach off significant study. Addiction and biochemistry etc aren’t my field but wether it be by placebo or function, my approach has worked this far. Here is what’s doing it for me. Hey I don’t recommend just following what someone else is doing. Especially what I’m doing. I’m going to tell you what Im doing and then ramble on about why and risks involved. Make ur own decisions. Seriously. It may not be my way but there IS a way back to a better life.
        My worst and most unbearable symptoms are restless muscles, shivers, no energy, hopelessness, no appetite but I do NOT get cravings for opiates. If the last one applies to u I highly recommend u stay with what u got going u til u get therapy and u are in a place where that’s the last thing u want anymore. I’m coming off subs and Ive been on them for such a long time that the receptor set that’s screaming to be activated differs significantly from opiates. Bup is a strong kappa opioid antagonist. Mytraginine is actually a strong binder and kappa agonist. Kappa agonistic action is associated with aversion response. Salvia makes u not want another by activating these receptors in the accumbens. As far as Mu receptors go the partial agonist action is the same but affinity is far less between Kratom and bup. Additionally there’s decent binding with 5-ht receptors using Kratom. These receptors regulate mood but also modulate neuron responses. They also relax muscle tissue.
        I started taking Kratom the day before I stopped suboxone. I don’t think that’s important unless ur unsure if u can tolerate Kratom. When I stopped opiates I started taking 6 grams of powered red Bali every 5 hours. Remember that this takes a minute to kick in. So take it an hour before any anticipated withdrawals. Playing catch-up is no fun and really ruins my whole day. I don’t feel right for 24 hours. In addition to this take comfort meds as needed. Immodium (specifically this as it also serves to replace dopamine in ur body. In fact it is a modified dopamine molecule:) For general relaxation smoke some weed but I find going light works better than try to smoke myself in to a coma. Keep in mind u are missing a lot of the transmitters ur brain needs in order for u to feel the euphoria of drugs so some old favs can feel very edgy and uncomfortable. Here is the controversial one. If u have a problem with stims don’t even think about this please. This is not being done to abuse it but in an effort to provide ur brain dopamine so that u are even capable of feeling comfort or joy or hope. Sorry to say but amphetamines sit on receptors and mimic dopamine. Since u aren’t producing any right now the only way I know of (unless u are a Parkinson’s patient) to get this is through amphetamine and methamphetamine. The whole class does this but these are the simplest oldest and yes….have the least side effects other than abuse potential. The others are less addicting but have way worse long term consequences. Amph is a simple carbon ring with a cpl more atoms. But yeah do this as little as possible. Like I use 10 mg of meth in a 24 hour period if I’m going to use it. That’s a therapeutic dosage. Not a tenth of a gram or a line. It’s a speck really. You won’t be high but u will notice that the sun got a bit brighter and u feel a bit of joy. At day 7 I started going down 1 gram a day in Kratom and the plan is to add an additional 2 hours between doses every other day until I’m down to two grams once daily and then I’ll jump off. I’m at the two grams a day mark but I still dose three times a day so it’s a few more days till the jump. I don’t anticipate much more than insomnia and some slight symptoms for a day or so. I hope;)
        I can say honestly that other than stuff I would consider whiny (personally whiny….I get it. This ain’t whiny stuff!). All my symptoms disappeared after day 5-6. Any occasional ones that surfaced were easily dismissed. I only used stims 4 days. I smoked weed daily before and I still am but not for the reasons of withdrawal relief now. Comfort meds stopped at day two. I still don’t sleep well but I am amazingly sleeping at least 3-4 hours at a time. I won’t personally do sleep meds as I find those addicting personally. Once I stop it’s 3 weeks of no sleep so why bother I say.

        Wish me luck as I wish you the same. Life on opiates is hell. It’s not a personal defect, a moral issue, and certainly not what anyone in their right mind would endeavor to achieve and the world needs to stop judging us as if. It’s CERTAINLY should not be a crime in and of itself to be addicted and possess what one is pathologically addicted to! You (and I ) deserve our lives back. This time I think is the one for me….it seems. But if it is not, you can bet I’ll be back with a different plan, more commitment or whatever is needed until I succeed. This wasnt the life that was for us.

        1. Stace

          Just wanted to let you know that today, I needed to read this and receive the advice/tips you offered. I needed to hear reassurance that this horrific addiction is not due to a moral defect or weak mind. I’ve been on opiates for more than half of my life now, beginning at the age of 16, thanks for a lovely doctor who never warned me about dependency and even encouraged my parents to discipline me for NOT taking all prescribed pain meds. I was in and out of rehabs at least 3-4 times by the age of 21. Back then, I was always the only one there for opiate addiction. The dangers of pain medications truly wasn’t common knowledge back then. I’ve always felt isolated, like some irreparably broken person who must not try hard enough, who has never been strong enough to beat this. I can’t tell you the countless hours, days, weeks, even years I’ve spent researching and devouring as much information I could, in a vain attempt to find the goddamn key that would open the door that finally sets me free. I KNOW I am not the person I was meant to be. And the years just keep ticking by, precious years, wasted in a cycle of insanity.
          My apologies for being long-winded. Your comment evoked an emotional response in me. Today is day two being off of a 13+ year methadone dose. I have been taking Kratom and 5-ht vitamins, and Clonidine for 3 days now. I still have not found the right Kratom strain and dosage that will bring me desperately needed blessed relief, but I know it’s there somewhere and will keep trying until I get it right. I am putting my life into this. Its never mattered more. I have so much hope for the future for the first time in a long, long time, truly. Just that alone feels fucking amazing.
          Sending you good vibes and hopes for continued smooth sailing on your path to wellness and recovery.

          1. Ryan

            What was your dose of methadone? That is a serious thing to do, I did a methadone detox (dose 30-40mg day for two years) and the withdrawal lasted 40days.
            I went inpatient for 18 days. Should of stayed 35. I would recommend that you do the same, call “Beach house” in Juno beach Fl. They will help you. If you can’t do that, then try to get a script for the RLS, be prepared for two to three weeks of INTENSE acute withdrawals that truely come at day 4-21 and I guess prepare for the Kratom to be a mainstay for the next months. Im not saying this to scare anyone. I’m sharing that I’ve done this and succeed to get off methadone.

          2. April

            Stace—you got this!! If you can afford it, buy the capsules which are about .5 grams per cap. Start with 4 caps (2 grams) and increase by .5 grams every 30 min up to 4 grams (8 caps total). If that doesn’t work, try another strain or vein color. Remember: “red to bed, white take flight, and green for in between”. Good luck—you can do this!! Don’t forget your increased water intake and generic Tagamet or Zantac every day!

          3. Michael Verick

            I’m literally in the exact same boat as you guys. Stumbling across this was truly lucky. I tried Kratom on a whim but it ended up saving my life. I never imagined that some leaf from China could make me care about life again. And in my opinion more people should know that this exists. It’d save countless lives.

          4. bluedreamer

            How are you doing now Stacy and Kenny?

          5. Stephanie

            Stace how are you doing? I’m about to jump off of 10 year methadone dose of 50 my a day with kratom. I got some other stuff ok but I’m just trying desperately to find someone (hopefully) more than one person who has done this. There is one gal in YouTube but I think she ended up going into rehab.

        2. Ash

          I have a question I started Suboxone approximately three days ago was only on it for two days but I felt empty the days that I was on it so I decided to get off of it and try I have a question I started Suboxone approximately three days ago was only on it for two days but I felt empty the days that I was on it so I decided to get off of it and try Kratom since I already have knowledge of it I’m just curious I am on approximately 39 hours without Suboxone is it safe to start the kratom yet? I feel a little bit of with drawls but I think that was all from the previous opioids I was taking before the sub, I don’t think I became addicted to the Suboxone since it was only for two days I am only 22 I’m just scared of what to expect now I have felt dizziness in my brain since I stopped like my mind is on a roller coaster going up and down and spinning around .

          1. J

            Take enough Kratom to be able to get some sleep. If you can sleep your hardy withdrawing at all. Get out before it’s too late. I’m successful and have a beautiful family but take subs everyday to maintain. Was just informed Kratom can be strong enough for sub withdrawals so I’m here researching myself. 13 years of opiates coming first in my life. Sucks. Trying to change it now. If you keep going it only gets worse. No gets better the longer they abuse drugs.

        3. Derek

          Suboxone to me was a miracle drug. I never took more than prescribed & that I could not sah about Vicodin and fentanyl & oxy etc. it is a pain in the ass to quit but if you find yourself short for whatever reason I always found that if I could taste that nasty taste I would nit have the restless legs & the kicking so as long as you’ve got enough to taste your not dying(y’all know what I mean)

        4. Heather

          K3nnyg thank u for ur post. I realize it a month later now. I have a few questions as I’m going thru something similar..I could use ur input and would be extremely grateful. Please email me- [email protected] if u see this at all.
          Thank u in advance.

        5. Amanda

          K3nnyg, Thanks for sharing! I’m curious about the part in regards to amphetamines. I’ve read so many time that they can really worsen withdrawal from opiates and make you a train wreck. How would you gauge a microdose? Also, is that going to negate the kratom we are taking? Or interact with it at all? I hope you are still doing well!!

          1. Shannon

            I take 16 mils a day of Suboxone and have been on this dose for 4 years, I am also ADHD so I’m on adderall as well. It’s too the point now where one med doesn’t work without the other and I’m always short on one or the other. I heard that Kratum could be my answer to getting off both. The withdrawal and lack of energy are my biggest problem. Can anyone help? Any and all advice is appreciated.

          2. Dan

            Shannon, You and I are in the same exact situation. I’m on sub and adderall, 4 years now. 8mg and 20mg per day. I’m not sure if you’ve ever tapered off or gone through the sub W/D all the way through but I’ve done both if you have any questions—[email protected] 1. Tapering down is all in your head, I tapered from 8mg to 1.5mg in 30 days before with no problem. As soon as you do it one day and you break through that mental barrier you realize it’s fine. I still everyday take 5mg one day, 7 the next, all over the place, I just base on how I’m feeling. 2. I don’t skip doses, if I was on 8mg taking 3mg/3mg/2mg throughout the day, going down to 6 I take 2mg/2mg/2mg. Spread the decrease out. 3. The sub withdrawal is much more bearable than cold turkey heroin/oxy, it just lasts longer, and all w/d sucks. I did cold turkey off 8mg, but was not fun of course, and ultimately after 41 days off, I started again. But not because I was feeling terrible, more so the cravings got me….. Now I’m here because I’ve heard a lot about Kratom but it’s the only thing I’ve never tried and unfortunately one thing I’m not an expert on by now. If it satisfies the opiod receptors, and you can get your sub dose to/under 1-2 mg it should work. Also another thing that helps that people don’t talk about very much, get a shit ton of Imodium(loperamide), and take 20-30 at a time. Your stomach has opiod receptors in it, hence the runs when in w/d. It will help alleviate symptoms all around. Feel free to message if you have any questions.

      4. Tye W

        @Anonymous No way would a Rehab give you 15mg of K-pin a day… And it’s XanAx by the way not “Xanex”.

    5. Robin Wilson

      What if you’re needing chronic pain control? My doctor after twenty years feared for his license after opposite conversion regulation changed. Withdraw, not end of world it’s my pain from spinal injuries post operation they screwed up that will and is degenerative I’m thrown under the bus along with thousands of Kaiser patients with no medicine to help and at drastic tapers that are dangerous as chronic pain patients need pain control we are drug tested ekg tested urine tested and I’m not a drug user or ever used to just party. Twenty plus years on same dose and due to recent new guidelines Kaiser is jumping the gun to save themselves treating us like one size fits all not so and now our alternative to search for anything that may help as the doctors just say push for legalization then take all you want both Dr Anesthesia Biocca taught this and my PC Dr Ley-Han at Kaiser Modesto hospital agreed

      1. Libba

        I am completely pain med free because of Kratom and CBD. Hope that helps. I have degenerative disc disease, had a c5-6 fusion in 2005. Now c3-4 is hearniated. Last year I had a procedure to cauterize my nerves on both sides of my neck. Between that finding the right Kratom and finding the right CBD-I’ve been pain med free since last Summer. Also, was helped off and on by Kratom since 2007- but have just recently discovered my perfect leaf blends as well as hemp oil.

        1. Steph

          Would you mind sharing what your personal “perfect leaf blend” is? New to kratom… just started using a few weeks ago for chronic pain, and also for its known recreational/relaxation value. Have found the most success with red vein borneo, but have only tried that, red maneg da and green maeng da.

        2. Maria

          I have the very same conditions you have. Would you mind sharing what kind of Kratom and CBD oil helped you??

          1. Hbomb444

            Amen! I would love to know kind, strain and dosage. I have taken CBD oil and used cream. No results. Kratom helps pain and depression but I just can’t seem to find the right dosage , strain, regime. Thanks so much for sharing!

        3. Mushashi

          Would you mind please detailing exactly what you take? I had a botched spinal surgery on L5-S1 a year ago and want off these pain meds so bad. Thanks in advance!

        4. Matt

          What do you use for CBD? I am 8 days post op from a hip surgery and I’ve been on a pretty high dose of oxycodone for years. I’m on day 2 of no oxy just Kratom but I want to know which cbd is good and how much to take? I live in Nevada so CBD is everywhere but that also means shit in the market. Thanks!!

        5. Pam

          Can you tell me what brand you’re taking and dosage? I have 7 fusions and fibromyalgia and just got off opioids after 30+ years on them

        6. Marissa

          Can you contact me to tell me the amount and kinds of brands you use?

        7. Kim

          What cbd do you use?

        8. Roxy

          How much kratum are you supposed to take after your last dose of heroin? I bought the red strain Bali kratom pills the best brand they had. , I’ve been on heroin for 3 years, I do 1grm of heroin a day. I need help so I’m not at work feeling sick.

          1. Georgette Martin

            I just started kratom today! 5 years of norco 7.5 4 per day. I am taking a mix cap for withdrawal snd pain. I was instructed by health stor to start eith 3 caps per day in am. I had a norco at 9:30 am….3 krayom caps at 2: 00 pm. Don’t feel too bad right now at 4:30. I suffer chronic pain for various issues. There are groups on FB that are helpful…several! I’m having a headache but have one everyday from norco anyway! I think I will simply take a 650 mg. Tylenol in a bit and may be 1 tab kratom at bedtime. I hope to never take another opiod!!! I have heard it csn help with quiting smoking even! I hope so! Wish me love and luck as I have wanted to die for 3 years now!

      2. Tiffany Early

        I’m gonna be honest robin kratom is good medicine but it’s like every other medicine just natural. Try

      1. Veteran

        Opiate withdrawal does not lead to death

        1. Dawn

          Yes it does. I have a friend that died from it and unfortunately went to the emergency room and was turned away because they stated that she would not die from withdrawals, while she was shitting herself and unable to move they put her in a taxi home, she died an hour after she arrived home. The above woman posted that it kills people all the time in jails, listen to this please, take it in, the problem is that medical professionals have been using this false information for decades and teaching others the same thing even when there is verifiable proof that people do die from opiate withdrawals, jails and hospitals continue to refuse treatment and let them die in their cells. You can die, from opiate withdrawals, it kills people ALL THE TIME because of this faulty information. Please stop spreading it around the internet and elsewhere.

          1. Joseph Salazar

            My friends brother died in jail from methadone withdraw about 10 to 12 years ago

          2. Bobby

            I go for methadone treatment. And In my 20 years I have seen patient go into convulsions and become unresponsive. Another patient while begging to be readministered fell in seizures, and later died. So these so called experts, should not adminster that kind of so called expertise. It just puts people in my boat at risk of Titanic outcomes. Methadone w/d definitlely can kill.

          3. Bobby

            Dawn, I couldn’t have said it any better. THANK YOU. A comment online might be a drop in an ocean, but if it saves even 1 you are a hero.

          4. Charlet Rae

            INDEED!!!! I’ve had 3 very close ppl to me die in jail before they would treat w/d. They had all been on heroin since the 70s. One aspirated, and 2 from heart attack due to uncontrolled cold Turkey w/d. They were not given ANY meds to help… hell they were not even ‘checked on’. When the guards came to do their ‘head count’ they were deceased. They were very cool ,old school ppl of mine. RIP . One of them was THEE FIRST to die from opiate w/d on record in Florida. Whether it’s due to complications “from” w/d or directly due to fast and uncontrolled opiate stoppage…
            IT HAPPENS.

          5. Major Tom

            Fuck yes it will kill you. Not directly like booze or Xanax but if you’re sick with something else weak heart will kill you bc a healthy 18 year old detoxing hard will have super high blood pressure and dehydrated ect so a weak body can absolutely die. If a hospital ever tried turning me away I say the magic words. “I’m gonna kill myself” by law they must commit you. Then you can detox correct. Health care people look down at addiction but it’s the same professionals that got everyone strung out to begin with. Never detox hard alone. It’s tough I’ve done it 100zs of times and the best was the 2 time s I went to ER and said I’m suicidal take me to the Ward. 8/12 days they keep ya but you’re cared for, don’t have to cook clean or do shit but take meds to help you and learn in group counseling.

        2. FMF Corpsman

          That’s correct. Opiate w/d, even heroine w/d WILL NOT kill you. Benzos can lead to seizures and possibly death, hardcore alcohol abusers can DEFINITELY die going cold turkey.

        3. SuperDan71

          YES YOU CAN DYE FROM OPIOID WITHDRAWALS !!!. I was Prescribed 480mg of Morphine Extended Release, for 11 YEARS !! Then July 14 2018, my Dr DIED !! This left me with NO WAY TO RENEW MY SCRIPT !!. Well, After I ran out of my morphine, I almost DIED !!. My wife took me to the ER, and they Admitted me and Quick !!. 4 Drs said that if she wouldn’t have brought me to the ER, I would have DIED !!. I’m now on 30mg of Methadone daily, And it stopped the “Withdrawal Symptoms” but the pain is still there !!!. That’s why I’m researching on here !!. I want OFF THE OPIOIDS !! But have SEVERE CRONIC PAIN !!. Will Kratom help me release the pain ??.

          1. downtownhumanoid

            try CBD also.

        4. Tiffany Early

          I’ve heard benzo withdrawal can lead to death. It’s like getting off booze

        5. Ash

          It actually does you can have seizures and go into a coma with how severe you were dependent on the opiate

        6. Coris

          Watch the videos of people dying in jail… on video.. from opiate withdrawl. Google Tyler Tabor and watch him wither away. Poor Tyler. I didn’t even know him but I always think of him and what he went through. I know that pain and my worst fear is having to die from it.

      2. Chris Jasper

        No, no one has died from opiate withdrawal alone, at least heroin. However I’ve heard of a few from oxy, but the almost all used Xanax, Valium or other benzos, even alcohol, ALL of which can kill you in withdrawal. If you almost died, it was due to dehydration, underlying issues. Judy Rodgers, I’m in Texas, I’ve detoxed off opiates in jail, Suboxone as well, I wanted to die, but with proper hydration and care, you won’t die. 1,000s of people in Texas?? Please site your sources. I’m just now using kratom to get off Subutex, that’s why I’m on here, but had to set things straight

        1. downtownhumanoid

          actually opiate withdrawal can become fatal if the body develops a fever. if that EVER happens, get to the E. R. IMMEDIATELY!

        2. Carrie W

          Thank you for this. So many people on opiods are also using benzos. Thats why the withdrawl kills them. Benzo withdrawls can cause seizures, strokes and death. People who die during opiod withdrawl are in extreme conditions ( like being severly dehydrated in jail) or have underlying health conditions.

        3. Coris

          It depends on the symptoms. If you have the runs non stop and cannot rehydrate… you will die. Your heart will stop. Google heroin withdrawal in jail. People are dying everywhere. There are videos online of people actually withering away and dying in jail from heroin withdrawal. Yes… just heroin

        4. DG

          Can you cite your registry you maintain of W/D related deaths from Narcotics? Because if you don’t have one how the f could you know people don’t die from Opiod W/D? You definitely didn’t learn that from a simple google search.

      3. Charlet Rae

        INDEED!!!! I’ve had 3 very close ppl to me die in jail before they would treat w/d. They had all been on heroin since the 70s. One aspirated, and 2 from heart attack due to uncontrolled cold Turkey w/d. They were not given ANY meds to help… hell they were not even ‘checked on’. When the guards came to do their ‘head count’ they were deceased. They were very cool ,old school ppl of mine. RIP . One of them was THEE FIRST to die from opiate w/d on record in Florida. Whether it’s due to complications “from” w/d or directly due to fast and uncontrolled opiate stoppage…
        IT HAPPENS.

      4. Scott

        1000’s of people dieing from opiod withdrawal? That is the biggest load of shit I may have ever heard. I work in the medical industry, I have never come across research that relates to even one single death due to opiod WD. Obviously if they were taking benzos or alcohol that is a different story. Don’t come on here and spread BS, please. Thanks.

        1. Kal

          It’s true. It happened in a hospital I was in for a different reason and a nurse told me. Your heart can give out unless you have a severe infection you didn’t notice being too high. Sorry, sir, but you are definitely incorrect.

        2. Amy

          PLEASE PEOPLE STOP TELLING OTHERS KRATOM IS THIS ‘MIRACLE DRUG’ OR TO ‘STAY ON IT FORVEVER IF YOU HAVE TO BE CAUSE ITS THE “LESSER OF TWO EVILS”‘ complete b.s. kratom can and will run and ruin your life just like every other opiate, synth opiate or agonist. It IS addictive. My boyfriend used it to get off of methadone. Last night he was contemplating suicide because he’s having such a hard time getting off of it, and is sick of switching from one drug to another. Plus the fact that he is reading about so many naive people telling others to take kratom, and that it isn’t addictive, blah blah blah. And no, it absolutely does NOT help with benzodiazepines withdrawl. These are two totally different classes of drugs. You ABSOLUTELY, 100% HAVE TO WEEN OFF OF BENZOS. You can die from benzos withdrawl. Do not take kratom to get off of it, it will not be beneficial in any way. And if you are using kratom to get off of any opiate or synth opiate, use it for 5 days and drop it. Use it like you would use suboxone. Otherwise you WILL get addicted to it. You guys really need to do your research before you throw out advice. Do you even understand how opiates work? Do you know what they do to your brain? Do you realize that you are filling receptors still when you are taking kratom, and if you take it long-term you will absolutely build a tolerance and then be in the exact same boat you were in before? Also, please do not add to the stigma of methadone being such a ‘horrible’ drug, and then tell people to switch to kratom every day for the remainder of their lives. Methadone is regulated. Your dose wont continuously go up like it does with kratom. You do not build a tolerance. I didn’t try methadone for over a decade as a heroin addict because of the stigma it has, and not trying it almost killed me. I tried literally everything else, and I sincerely wanted to quit using. Nothing worked until I tried methadone and then moved away. If I didn’t; I know for a fact I would be dead by now. Methadone doesn’t get you high when you use it as maintenance and the way it’s supposed to be used. I couldnt get high on it now if I wanted to, and I couldn’t get high on any other opiate unless I wanted to stop taking the methadone for 3-4 days, and by then I’d be vomiting profusely. Yes, it sucks having to take it every day and pay for it…but safit’s safe, I know what I’m taking, I have my life and family back, I dont have to take more and more to feel normal. And I am more than half way done weaning and still feel fine. My boyfriend used kratom to get off of methadone because he went down way too fast and now he’s stuck. He hates being on kratom, his tolerance is through the roof, and now he can’t eat because his stomach is so messed up. He tried to quit and couldnt and when he started up again his tolerance went up rapidly. He broke down last night because now he’s just on something else and its causing more problems than he ever had on methadone. He is sick of the cycle, and so am I. Kratom is good for detoxing when you take it JUST FOR DETOXING. Anything longer than 5 days and you’re just switching again and again and again. And your tolerance goes up, and then you get sick from taking too much..its just not worth it and I wish people would stop glorifying this crap.

          1. James

            Methadone is a horrible drug and by far way worse. Notice all the people saying people have actually died from Methadone w/d?… If you tried Suboxone and still went back to using, it’s not because Suboxone didn’t work for you, it’s because you wanted to be high still. Sorry, that’s the truth. Methadone doesn’t have the ceiling effect and isn’t a partial agonist, but Suboxone stops all w/d symptoms and cravings after a few days for those with even the worst of habits. Doesn’t matter if you’re on a “maintenance” dose, the only difference between it and other full agonist opioids is it’s long half life. If your boyfriend is threatening to kill himself because he’s reading random people online praise what Kratom is doing for them, that’s something he needs to seek help for, not others experiencing success comparatively to their old life’s problem…..

    6. Elizabeth

      Yes I want to stop the pain meds and start taking the Kratom…. I take meds for Bipolar, I also am sick and stressed out I have to hide my pain meds as they are also stealing them…. How do you know what dose of Kratom to take? Do ask the dr or is there someone who knows about Kratom & meds I have to take? Please help much appreciated

      1. Libba

        Look in different forums such as this and sub-forums on social media (Reddit) and research the heck out of it.

      2. David ramos

        Im about tobstart katom red bali Viva supreme and ear bali i hear red is to sleep so ima take it at night and white is for energy so ill use that for work… Im currently going through heroine withdrawals and i need help. Please anyone … Everyone help!!!!! Idk what im doing i went from pain pills to this cuz of a herniated disc on my neck and now im stuck with this sickness… Im alone and im scared please help

        1. Lisa Jade Clark

          Hi im Jade, live in Atlanta, im prescribed 80mg of methadone from 120mg, started with percs, Roxie’s, then heroin, now methadone. I have weaned myself dwn to 27 1/2mg cut a wafer in half, cut a 10mg piece in half, cut on 5mg in half. So i take 20mg, 5, & 2.5 anyways u get it. I just took some kratom mixed in peppermint tea with honey & drinking it now. I also took a little cbd oil (no thc) & suddenly im not all cramping as much, my anxiety has definitely gone dwn but u have to really WANT TO STOP! It didn’t work the first time i tried over a yr ago. but it does now! Thats cuz im clean & sober aside from the methadone. Wow, thk you guys & God, i can feel myself relax and my tummy’s not in knots. Please try to calm down and not panic or try to take more than you need. I’ll have to write bk after i take it again for amount. Whenever i feel bad again. It does work! Stick with the slow taper on methadone 2.5mg a wk is what im doing.

          1. Ben

            Hey Jade. I live in Atlanta and need to know what kind of kratom to get as I have to get better for my baby.

          2. Richard

            I started tappering 6 months ago. Got down to 20. Went to 15 for a few days then lost opportunity to take it all together. Haven’t dosed in 2.5 days and started to feel rough today. I went and got some kratom and just took it. It helping you ?

          3. Patrick

            I was on 100m of liquid methadone and 3 Xanax a day for 2.5 years. I got kicked out of the clinic so rapid detox was 5 a day. I was sick 36days. Methadone saved my life but it’s no joke. Kratom is helping me now. I got 2 weeks off sub’s that I was buying off the street. Opioid addiction is for the birds! Be clean with kratom or be on methadone that’s my take on it

        2. Noel

          Aloha David.
          Did anyone reach out to you? How’s it going?

        3. MJ

          Hey David,

          How has the kratom worked for you since you posted? I hope to hear back from you soon & see how you’re doing, as well as, see if I can help in any way. Hope you’re doing alright.

    7. Lone Wolf

      Peresphone & Aynonomous Great Posts I hope people will read & follow your advise ! . I started taking about 10 grams of Red Vein Malay & Sumatran Kratom plus Ultra enhanced Sumatra powder for over a week now. Its helping with my depression & energy levels. I went cold turkey off of a 500 mg of Depekote in mid May REALLY stupid. I thought I was in the clear until about the 8 or 10 days out I hit the wall. I couldn’t even get out of bed. I did get a new rx 3 days ago but not before ALL the Depekote was out of my system. It sucked Not nearly as bad as a Benzo or Suboxone WD but it still sucked Big time. I couldnt get out of bed & could have caused a seizure .Im REALLY lucky I just happened to be taking Atarax which im taking in lieu of Valium with some success which is also an Anti Convulsant at the time This is where the Kratom has helped while my body is slowly absorbing the Depekote again which is a 1-2 week window depending in the individual. I also threw my back out & I can hardy walk erect The Kratom DEF helps with that with a good 5-6 gram dose of Good Kratom
      So Kratom does work for me Its helping me with Sleep Severe depression & Anxiety from the Depekote & Valium WD’s along with Atarax
      Dont ever go cold turkey on Anything without consulting your Dr You could die literally especially
      with Benzos & booze
      I would recommend trying the Enhanced Kratom Powder in tea for the best effect especially if your
      in pain & need quick relief or your stomach is sensitive to taking all those pills which are about .6 grams each.You can cut your intake in half over Std Kratom Some sites say its 4 times stronger but I have not found that to be accurate.
      If you haven’t tried Kratom its worth looking into. I have ADD an it helps with that as well. Some people look at me like I have 3 heads when I tell them Im taking it But honestly its just out of ignorance .Its a a natural leaf that people have been using for centuries in Indonesia & China
      And lastly STRESS DOES KILL Its an insidious disease. Look at Kate Spade & Anthony Budoin just this week alone. I highly recommend going to You Tube & watching the video of Stress The Silent Killer” from 2011 It saved my life & might just save yours. It’s an outstanding piece of work done by a Stanford PHD who spent 30 years in the field doing the research . Good Luck

    8. StormieGale

      Does kratom cause liver damage I already have liver problems but take kratom regularly but just heard it causes liver damage???

    9. Daniel

      I’ve seen many people detoxing from opiates I was a paramedic for 10years kicking opiates depending on level of dependency on them can very likely cause death. Seizures sop oxygen from getting to your brain! Don’t tell people an opium withdrawal isn’t likely going to kill them, it’s FALSE AND just bad I formation on your part!

    10. Davs

      Im getting prepared to begin a 120mg per day oxycodone
      detox at home cold turkey. I bought 150 grams of red bali. I chose the red bali because of all the info I read online. I’m gonna start with 8 grams 4 times a day unless someone here tells me otherwise. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

    11. Steven Lunger

      So I too am trying to get off of my Suboxone and my mother gave me some mangda kratom and I took two teaspoons equivalent to about four and a half grams every 4 to 5 hours and I don’t know if it’s going to help I’m scared. And the true ceiling effect for suboxone is 24 mg anything more than that defeats the purpose and just goes to waste. I have only been prescribed for mg Suboxone for about 4 months and I’m afraid because I detoxed from Suboxone after 3 years of taking them I was taking 8 mg a day for 3 years in the withdrawal lasted like 50 something days it was terrible and it happened in jail. Does Kratom truly work for withdrawal? If so what type of Kratom should I get they got red vein white vein yellow vein green vein maeng da Bali white Borno all this stuff to choose from but I was strictly want the best kind for buprenorphine withdrawal any suggestions would be much appreciated! You can add me on Facebook at Steven Lunger. There might be a few Facebook’s associated with that name add them all because I’ve had like for Facebook’s overtime. Or you can email me. [email protected]. I would really appreciate any advice from people that have experienced buprenorphine withdrawal and what kind of Kratom I should buy online thanks a lot!

    12. LN

      I’m on 4mg of suboxone a day. I want off! It’s been 13-years, I’m over it. I want to use kratom for a month to help alleviate withdrawal symptoms. Around how much should I buy? I’m not sure what my daily dosage should be/is going to be so I’m having a hard time trying to figure out how many grams I’ll need to get me through the month. Also, would it be wise to buy a sample pack first in order to see how each strain effects me personally? Or, is their a particular strain that is great for severe withdrawal symptoms…because I get them all! Any info. would be greatly appreciated at this point.

      1. Mike Hartsook

        I’ve been snorting soboxin for 2 and a half years I want to get off it but I can’t deal with the withdrawals I have to buy it off the street $20 a pill me and my girlfriend both are addicted to it she eats it and I snort it .you people that read this might think I’m lieing but before I got addicted to soboxin we were taking 10 or 15 loratabs in 2 days a piece we never ever became addicted I done soboxin one time because of a tooth ache a neighbor of mine gave me a little piece to put under my tongue it helped my toothache but a hour or two later I threw my guts out I kept throwing up then I was fine got up the next morning drank one cup of coffee and threw up a few times

        1. Mike Hartsook

          I am very very seriously thinking about sueing the makers of soboxin

    13. Gary Tompkins

      I taking 10, 10mg of hydros daily or 10 years. I put 2 tsp of the green vein Malay in about 6oz of grapefruit juice and let me tell you… IT WORKS!! Of course, I ask Jesus for his guidance along the way. Here’s how I know that he’s such an intrical part… I bought my pills from my neighbor and one day after 10 yrs. The pharm. Didn’t have them in stock so as I horribly suffered. Through the night I found out about Kratom online. Honestly the day I bought kratom the Lord spoke to my heart and litteraly said that this will. Be a way to help you regain your life..A way for you to search and rejoice in me. A lot on here may be abrasive or unbelieving and that’s ok. I don’t make things and I know what I heard. Such as He uses Drs and others.

    14. Debby

      I am at the end of getting off of xanax using Bali Red and Bali Green Kratom and rotating them with adaptogens and CBD and Corydalis with California Poppy for sleep. The red is definitely more relaxing. I don’t like to mix things together so I rotate or leave several hours in between doses. I also take 1800 mg of Gabapentin per day for nerve pain split into 3 doses. I get a script of 10 10/325 mg Hydrocodone tabs every 3 weeks to help with severe pain outbreaks, but they give me severe constipation much worse than the Kratom. If I have to take Corydalis or Hydrocodone I don’t mix them with Kratom. I have taken 500 mg tylenol with Kratom because I can’t take NSAIDS like Advil or Diclofenac. One time from hydrocodone the constipation was so bad I had to use a sort of douche method and Senna Tea after using the Hydrocodone for only two days and only two tablets! So I put them aside now for a rainy day in case they outlaw Kratom. I use Kratom to help with my pain and it seems to go well with the Gabapentin because it keeps me focused, energized and awake. I’m also losing weight because I am a water baby and love to swim. I’ve lost 28 pounds and my doctor is amazed! But I changed my entire life. I rarely eat out anymore. I had a Wendy’s Salad with pecans, chicken and apples with a pomegranate sauce that was amazing and only 470 calories with water, but even though the lettuce was fresh it was still an iceburg and romaine mix which I know does not pack a nutritional punch and enough fiber or magnesium like the salads I make at home with Spinach, Kale and a variety of other colorful vegetables and olives or capers. I make my dressings with Grass Fed Yogurt that is USDA organic and I’ll put various herbs and spices in it and sometimes a bit of Feta cheese. I no longer crave fast food or eat solid cheeses. There is pizza in the fridge from my roommate and I do not want it. In the mornings I eat a Kind Bar and it keeps me full for a long time. Then I take half of a scoop of non-GMO plant pea protein mix that has all sorts of vegetables and fruits in it that supplies half the magnesium twice per day mixing them with fruits such as pineapple, cherries, blueberries , strawberries or bananas 1/3 cup each rotating two fruits every other day. I only put the fruit in once per day and for the other shake I just use Flax milk. I put Flax milk in and clean water. Then I buy non-GMO USDA prepared meals that have only vegetable puree and Amaranth/Quinoa mix and put a bit of a light USDA organic cheese in it or I buy organic low calorie soups. First thing in the morning before I have Kratom I am able to go to the bathroom at least 1 to 3 times. Then while I’m making coffee or tea I grind up some organic ginger and mix it with no calorie Monkfruit sweetener and a bit of Coconut milk creamer. I then have a small piece of 70% cocoa chocolate and it settles my stomach and wakes me up. For dinner I eat a slice of gluten free bread with fish, chicken or sometimes beef. I even bought a large turkey that has not been given hormones. Kratom is much safer than Opiates. It is measurable and if you eat enough magnesium, fiber, and drink enough water you will be able to go to the bathroom. Avacados and Hummus contain fiber and magnesium as well. I’ve been writing an anti-inflammation cookbook with gluten free usda organic and non-GMO foods. I was really addicted to Xanax and when I first stopped I was unable to go outside. What helped me was adaptogens such as Holy Basil and Ashwaghanda and some nootropics to keep me calm. Now that I use a lot less Xanax. I am able to function like a normal person. I do not mix xanax with Kratom because I have experience getting the measurements right so that I do not get overstimulated. Anyone can misuse any drug but the red kratom has helped me to skip at the most 4 days of xanax use and I can leave the house now without taking any with me and not think about it. A doctor got me addicted by raising my doses and telling me that I needed to take a certain amount every day. I was up to 8 mg! I am now down to .5 to 1 mg every other day and make sure I take them apart from any other drugs. The only time I have taken them with Kratom is when I had a panic attack during withdrawals, but that is over. I am going to keep them on hand because I don’t want a seizure. I constantly monitor my blood pressure to be sure I am not getting out of control and I use meditation to calm myself a lot. Exercise and endorphins has helped reverse the damage and brain fog. I think it would be a big mistake to take Kratom off the market. I don’t drink, but alcohol and rx opiods have killed so many people and Kratom has not. I consider it a safe choice. Without it I would be in pain or have to be constipated with opiods.

    15. Ben.

      Anyone looking for heroin, oxycontin, oxycodone, fentanyl, suboxone, methadone or other opiate drugs relief from withdrawal there is a not so public way to feel better. Mega dosing vitamin c. The vitamin c in large doses occupies opiate receptors and alleviates withdrawal. You want to use powdered sodium ascorbate rather than citric acid. The sodium ascorbate is easy on the gut vs the acid version most vitamin c is going to cause bowel intolerance. Your goal is to consume 60 to 80 GRAMS a day. You start by loading for a couple days get the body used to it. Then start every couple hours consuming 2 to 4 to 6 grams at a time or until you get withdrawls relief. Aslo take vitamin e with it. Anyone can google this there has been studies done and it’s been successful and first hand I know it works. You have to want this and any way u go will work placebo is real if you believe in the process you believe in . The mind is a scary thing but it also can change your life for the good you just need to want it enough to get out of the bad .

    16. Devin

      I need help… I’ve been doing between a half gram and a gram of heroin every day for the last year and a half. And before that, around 5 dilaudid pills a day for 3 years. Never missed a day or “dose” I bought 2 different bags of Kratom. One is red dragon the other is red maeng da. I really want to get off of heroin but honestly mentally cannot deal with feeling the withdrawals. I get super depressed and almost suicidal just because I want it to stop. Any suggestions on how much I should take and how often?

    17. Jessica Barss'e


      I have been taking liquid methadone at 80mg/daily for 8 years and it has caused me to be very sick as a result of it and cannot find a successful way off of it because to date there simply is NOT ONE! So, I am looking to take it only to help with my withdrawals from methadone while on methadone and other meds. I just want something to make me feel less sick and more productive! So my question is….HOW MUCH WOULD YOU SUGGEST I TAKE SO I KNOW WHAT TO BUY AND IN WHAT FORM IS ADVISED? ?



    18. Steph

      Wow yeah people are annoying. Why doesn’t anyone research before they give advice? I just read a response to a lady saying it doesn’t make sense that she was prescribed 32 mg of suboxone and blah blah. Yes, the ceiling is around 8 mg. But where I’m from vancouver, wa they prescribe 3 to 4 if you ask because they are uneducated like usual. I’ve always stayed at 12 mg. With my dr. But honestly only took a fourth of one pill and sold the rest. It never worked for me anyways. always made me angry and want to get high so I’m doing kratom and its amazing!! Kratom red maeng da capsules but powder is better, imodium, and clonidine. Immodium is a life saver I’d younger bad an upset stomach because it’s an synthetic opioid that affects your opiate receptors. BUT YOU CAN NOT GET HIGH FROM IT so dont try it’s dangerous to take high amounts.of it.

    19. Chris

      The best advice I’ve seen yet!

    20. asad

      how long do i have to wait to take kraton before my last dose of opiate

  9. Tif

    I’ve been on benzodiazepines for 15 years (worse than heroin) -I was prescribed for insomnia;psychosomatic body tremor and anxiety from head trauma (TBI) from auto accident….am looking to wean myself off this poison. Can anyone tell me if they have used Kratom to help with withdrawal? What was the experience? Was it helpful? What strain? How long? Is it addictive?

    1. Elliot

      lol kratom won’t help benzo withdrawal

      1. Noah

        Lol naw that shit can kill you

        1. Elsa I Dueno

          Shame on you

      2. Jae

        Why would you lol at some one asking for help?! Have you been through Benzodiazepine withdrawal? I never post but this really made me angry and sad. To the poster asking for help, I truly wish I had some advice for you. Be well and all the best to you!

        1. MamaH

          Thank you. I did not think that was funny either

          1. B

            Kava can help with the benzo withdrawal.

          2. Haily

            Just food for thought: The only two drugs that can kill during sudden withdrawal are Alcohol which can produce delirium tremons and benzodiazapines. Benzos are the worse I’ve seen many a seizure related to them. Benzos can kill you, you need to slowly taper your benzo use.

        2. Sheri

          I totally agree, it was rude, insensitive and uncalled for.

          1. Rick

            Yes it struck me as rude also

          2. dkd

            lol i didnt post that but he did say in his original post the answer to the question that was lold at. He said it could kill you.

            Also opiate w.d kill many more people that benzo w.d

            its not funny, the subject matter, but what he asked was literally already answered.

        3. Kathryn

          No where close to funny, benzodiazepines nearly killed me!! I don’t see anyone being that hard on another human being. But you people that have dealt with addiction of some kind, how can you act that way? That’s just cruel!!

        4. William B Carpenter

          No that’s wrong nobody should laugh out loud at benzo withdrawals especially if they’re on Kratom for whatever they’ve done or whatever they’re looking to get I have sympathy for you I was on 6 to 10 mg of benzos every day for years and it’s terrible to come off but once you get off you’ll never want to go back good luck and God God-bless

          1. Tanner Hardee

            I’ve been doing dope and was wandering can I take Kratom the first day not doing dope or do you have to be clean a certain amount of time? Please help me I am ready to kick this monkey off my back!!

        5. Jordan

          ok i have been through a bezo- klonopin withdrawl. 14 yrs every night for sleep. 1-3 mg klonopin.
          Heres what to do and what almost nobody has heard of: The ashton protocol.

          google it online.

          its super slow not very anxiety producing whatsoever- because its super slow- but you will need to have and/or be in a supportive environment which is low stress.

          you have to do this right.

          the ashton protocol. swear.

        6. Jordan

          me too. people- ignore sub humans online and in real life. theyre ghosts of themselves and never got the help they need.

        7. Dr.Bunnylorraine Wilson

          I REALLY almost died from benzo w/ d….7 days on life support !!!! Docs refused to give me anything to help because of Oregon’s Care Oregon Insurance….kratum helped after I got home…helped me sleep through terrible neck pain.I hate M.D.s…. May the CREATOR punish them & those who make pharmaceuticals!!!!!

        8. Jimmy

          Well said

        9. Burrhead

          There are three types of drugs that will kill you if you stop cold turkey if you have been on them for years. #1 Alcohol, #2 Benzodiazepines i.e., any drug with pam at end of its name like diazepam, alprazalam, temazepam, etc. #3 Barbituates. Please for GOD sake seek medical help if you stop taking or run out of these drugs. Is it not ironic alcohol is sold on almost every corner.

          1. Mike

            I have severe emphysema and chronic bronchitis and copd and moderate congestive heart failure plus epilepsy I’ve been snorting soboxin for a little over 2 years and I want off of it but can’t deal with the withdrawals I don’t have insurance I’m disabled and I’m waiting on my disability claim to go through is it dangerous to stop doing soboxin and go cold Turkey?

        10. Vicki

          Great response. Some people are as ignorant as they sound.

      3. bill

        possibly phenibut.

      4. ryan

        yes it will but DXM will actually stop it. i’v done it and i’v been taking benzos since 12 and im 29 now. if you use the NMDA activity of dxm it will help reset the GABA type 2 receptors. kratom has some NMDA activity as well so yes it will help.. come on people

        also sign the petition to stop the ban below

        1. Ashley Luten

          Could you tell me what DXM is?

          1. KW

            Cough medicine. Dextrometamorphin

          2. John

            DXM is dextromethorphan hydrobromide (or polisterix). Acts as the cough suppressant in over-the-counter cough medicine. Just be aware of all the active ingredients. Many products contain other ingredients for other cold-associated symptons such as runny nose, headache, fever. The side effects from these other drugs can be quite unpleasant and taking high doses of acetametaphine is not good. There are plenty of products that contain only DXM. I’ve used DXM for opiate and benzo withdrawal and it was helpful. It is important to note that there is a threshold where ingesting too much will cause a “robotrip” and give a drunk-like dissociative effect.

          3. Adam Ludwig

            It’s Robitussin, there is no scientific evidence of it helping with Benzo withdrawals.

          4. Michael Best

            DXM is in cough syrup and if you have a serious opioid problem DXM won’t touch it. He must be catching high school buzzes to say that?!?! However if he said DMT also known as Ayahuasca, he would of been right. DMT is some serious shit but it will cure any opiod, heroin user but u will hallucinate, wig out extremely for a couple of days. It’s not administered through any Dr. But theres backwoods Doctors that will give it to you and sit with you for 2 days while your going through it but I heard its expensive. But a true addict knows how much money he’s already thrown away so to get clean is……….Priceless!

          5. Kerry Lenn

            Do NOT USE DXM,It is dextromathorphan the ingredient in cough medicine and it is very addictive. And dangerous to a drug addict. Do not do it!

          6. 1jude

            Dextromethorphan, over the counter cough medicine. It blocks nmda Rezeptors which are overactive in benzo w/d

          7. Wizardford

            dextromethorphan. It’s found in DayQuil, cough syrup, etc.

          8. B. Willson

            DXM is Dextromethorphan. It is found in Robotussin, liqui-gels and other cold and flu type medications. I believe it is a cough suppressant, but in large doses can impair and change you perception of reality.

          9. Michael

            It’s Dextromethorphan, it’s in Nyquil. If you decide to use it, do not get Nyquil. You need to find the Robitussin that ONLY has Dextromethorphan. It has psychedelic properties, it’s a pleasent trip if done right.

          10. Haily

            it is pure dextromethorphan. Only use Pure DXM. I used it for opiate withdrawal before I even knew about kratom. It helped some but not nearly as good as kratom. However, it was surely better than nothing. You must Only use something like mucinex dm, no guifenisen or phenalalinine. I can only find pure dxm now in Delsom cough syrup. Also It’s best to take at least 180 – 240 mg per dose to induce the euphoric and numbing effects. I’ve never used dxm for benzos but I would still be really careful coming off any dose higher than .25 mg, especially if you are using clonazepam. I’ve seen quite a few seizure realated deaths from benzo withdrawal. So PLEASE be very careful. I hope this answered your question enough.

          11. Clete

            DXM is dextromethorphan, it is a dissociative anesthetic used in cough syrup. It is the drug responsible for the effects of “robo-trippin”

          12. V

            DXM is dextromethorphan, the active ingredient in brand name drugs such as Robitussin.

            I should add that there there appears to be some reports of serious risks to using DXM for benzodiazepine withdrawal so do your research.
            Also be careful to ensure dextromethorphan is the only active ingredient should you ever decide to take a greater dosage than directed by the label (not recommended). Taking larger than directed dosages of medications that contain other active ingredients such as acetaminophen could be fatal.

          13. V

            DXM is dextromethorphan, the active ingredient in brand name drugs such as Robitussin.

            I should add that there there appears to be some reports of serious risks to using DXM for benzodiazepine withdrawal so do your research.

            Also be careful to ensure dextromethorphan is the only active ingredient should you ever decide to take a greater dosage than directed by the label (not recommended). Taking larger than directed dosages of medications that contain other active ingredients such as acetaminophen could be fatal.

          14. Jack

            DXM is definitely psychoactive and acts strongly on brain chemistry. It might have something to do with those GABA type 2 receptors.

            Dextromethorphan (also known as ‘DXM’, ‘DM’ or ‘robo’) is an over-the-counter antitussive (cough medicine) which, when taken at doses exceeding the recommended therapeutic range, becomes a powerful dissociative drug with psychedelic properties.

      5. moonflower

        your rude! Heres someone asking for help and you make some sly rude a** comment?! WOW

    2. Mark

      I have experience weening off both opiates and benzos by using kratom. It’s a great alternative in my opinion. I used the Red Maeng Da…. Yes, it is addictive and you will have withdrawals if you stop using it. But not nearly as bad as benzos or opiates. I would highly recommend kratom over other drugs. It is much less dangerous, too, as far as overdose danger, etc..

    3. Kevin

      I’ve been using kratom daily for 8 years. It works great for anxiety, depression, and pain. Just takes a few tries to get the right dosage.

      1. Patti

        Works for me!! Withdrawals from a thirty year addiction to opiates about killed me! Since then kratom red vein has helped with my pain and depression and anxiety. Now I hear they want to ban and regulate it! If there is a petition anywhere to sign to stop it send it to me and I’ll sign it!!!

          1. Jenn

            I just got some 50mg og groumd kratom capsules. How many do I need to take to relieve my anger and anxiety. It doesn’t have a dosage chart on the package. This ia very new to me. Please no rude comments
            Thanks in advance. Advice is greatly appreciated

          2. Elsa I Dueno

            Good Job!!
            Done!!! And I’m not even a fan yet….but do understand why politicians would want to band this tree….ugh makes me so angry….

        1. Monica

          Hi Patti My name is monica I’m very similar to your comment I been taking opiates for many years & I want off! How do I get started taking the kratom? I just bought red bali capsules but unsure how many and how often to take it? Also do I switch between each dose taking my opiate then next dose kratom then next dose opiates? I’m not sure if I have to juggle between the both to wean myself to make sure I dont get withdrawls?
          you can email me back thanks!

        2. Key

          I know this is probably an old post but I am going through some serious detox from methadone, I had to do it without tapering and I was on heroin but been on methadone for 7months . But this detox is by far worse then I’ve ever been through. How many capsules of red vein borneo should I take ?

      2. Danielle Hackett

        I would love to know the dosage and strain you use. I have chronic pain, anxiety and depression and have been using opiates and antidepressants and would like a change because of the risks.

      3. Anitra

        Kevin how much do you use for pain. Im not trying to get high . I bought some and am scared to over do it . I got the capsules and it says .95 grams per capsule

      4. Eva hart

        I’m confused on the doseage ?? Please help and thank you , i have the green kratom , i also have the (am) & (pm) again thank you !

        1. Moxie53

          I’ m somewhat new to Kratom myself ( 4 months of once or twice weekly) I don’t use for pain relief, just to elevate my mood and energy. I find 3- 4 grams of green do it for me. Not sure what you mean by AM and PM. but reds are mostly for relaxation and pain relief. Hope this is helpful.

      5. Patricia Humphries

        I can’t figure out how to post so I’m just responding to a reply I’ve been on between 2 and 3 mg Suboxone for 5 years I’m jumping at 3mg after 48 hours will I feel kratom

        1. I’m trying to figure that out

          I’m trying to figure that out also

    4. annonymous

      Yes its addictive if you take it chronically like i have and it sucks weaning off again but only take it for a week once a day is not even close oxycodone or marijuana or klonopin it realeases opioid peptides like when you run or exercise but if you are withdrawing from opioids its addictive butbdont start it for pain or will be an addiction but not as severe as opioids but similar to a smokeless tobacco addict nicotine activates mu opioids and alcohol does and is as addictive as caffeine and nicotine but not opioids withdrawls last a month the most and cravings sneak up on you to buy more just like a smokeless tobacco from sweden called snus which is still addictive but i get the same cravings for kratom as for nicotine but was addicted to tramadol and never buying kratom again only if i need it for pain and no more than a week.

      no it cant but still can cause mouth cancer but risk of gum reccession and mouth sores not cancer .

      have good oral hygiene and youll greatly reduce risks of cancer but this isnt related to me saying buy snus instwad im saying kratom is addictive as cigarettes.

      people who say it does are anti tobacco activists that got lung cancer or people brainwashed from people who got cancer from burning it chewing it is disgusting but 75% less cancerous than smoking been doing it for 5 years and helped me quit smoking.

      4ppm of tsna agents in snus vs 1000ppm in cigs, 100ppm in spit tobacco also called dip and chew has 100ppm. ppm is parts per million, tsnas are tobacco specific carcinic agents.

      alcohol also has nitrosamines 5 parts per billion also coffee can cause pancreatic cancer, heart disease and stained teeth also heart disease as well as smoking or chewing and drinking daily.

      1. annonymous

        im saying its lower abuse potential since its not an opioid just addictive as loperamide when thats abused and they are both weak opioid agonists but not from the poppy plant.

        1. ryan

          it’s a tryptamine opiate and also modulates into dopamine the mitragynine which is only random that it effects the kappa receptor other opiates that are highly addictive hit the MU-O type opiate receptors..
          an opioid is a chemically manipulated opiate such as oxy or hydrocodone.
          codeine morphine are opiate
          heroin is a opioid because it’s dia actyl morphine.
          but no one knows this but this ban bill cant pass if people knew that mitragynine in kratom is a tryptamine with partial attachment to kappa receptor sites. it cant even be called a true opiate. when it breaks down it eventually partially turns into dopamine after tryptamine. this is the smoking gun to beat sista act but no one has figured this out

      2. Chris

        You should probably quit the Meth not the asnus or a kratom…. Jesus!!

      3. Persephone

        I have absolutely no idea what this even says.

      4. Sumbuddy

        Lol neither kratom nor actual opiate medications (e.g. oxycodone, morphine, heroin) work by “releasing opioid peptides”. Although some drugs do indeed work in a manner similar to what you suggest (for example, MDMA’s primary mechanism of action is promoting the free certain neortransmitters – albeit primarily serotonin and not any sort of endogenous opioid neurotransmitters like endorphins or enkephalins), both opioids and kratom act as opioid receptor agonists, meaning they don’t release any neurotransmitters whatsoever, but rather they directly mimic these neurotransmitters themselves.

        In other words, while some drugs do indeed work by causing the body to suddenly release massive amounts of a particular neurotransmitter, other drugs (including kratom/opiates) act by mimicking these neurotransmitters themselves.

    5. Sandi

      Hi Tif, Kratom does not have a physical addiction. those who say it does has a mental addiction and most likely have a addictive personality. I can take it weeks, months quit for weeks or months. Everyone else reports the same other than a person here and there. 0 withdraws from stopping whenever. I understand wanting to quit the benzos but be very careful and do not quit cold turkey. doing so can be very dangerous. tell your doctor you want to ween off of it. the same with the majority of medication, your body has had it for a very long time. Some people use kratom for short term to break addiction. then less or none later. it involves taking for a week or so in larger doses. find a site just for that for the amount, saying there is a couple of methods find which is better for you. also search for benzo users as pep mostly use it for opiods. that said I would not rule it out but find out more info to be safe. the comments/ reviews on sites that sell it are helpful, also a site dedicated in keeping kratom legal with tons of info. get info and purchase from a trustworthy source as there is some trash out there. I have tried a quit a few and prefer mms . wonderful products and service. I get the plantation Mag da for chronic pain. you will find cheaper but you get what you pay for. I hope it is okay with the med you take and works out for you. Good Luck 🙂

      1. Ray

        I appreciate kratom and keeping it legal, but to say it has no physical addiction means you haven’t done enough research. In fact it targets opioid receptors hence why you get constricted pupils just like with regular opiates. The big difference between this plant is there is a ceiling dose where you can’t take more or the negative effects will make you sick and the experience unenjoyable. So it’s hard to abuse this. However it maintains all the withdrawal symptoms of opiates, only very mild compared to real opiates. I think a perfect analogy would be kratom is to opiates as coffee is to meth to put it in perspective.

    6. Çhristopher Horvath

      I was on klonipin for a long time up to 3mg. I cold turkyed for 30 days slept maybe 20 hours during that time. Had 2 seizures and I was chasing shadow people around my house. Lol Got into see a specialist at that time was diagnosed with delirium and psychosis. The only way to get of benzos is to see a benzos wise doc that knows how to do a diazepam taper. Do not try this with kratom!! I almost died.

      1. mike

        I wa saddicted to benzos fro 14 ys. Finally, after building a tolerance up to 5 mg a day of clonazepam, started what would be 5 attempts of medically supervised tapers to final cessation of benzos, 2.5 yrs later! my suggestion is to find a doc,hopefully an addictions dr, to help start a taper w an equivalent dose of valium. its longer ascting and the tapering is gentler The most import thing is to start and complete the taper in no more than 2 attempts. ea successive attempt creates more side-effects and may result in having to treat side-effects w meds. your brain will adjust and the GABAnergic system will recover-it takes time. The most import aspect is sleep hygiene and expect insomnia. Melatonin, herbs(including cannabis containing cbd strains )can alleviate some insomnia. amino acids like tryptophan can help provide percursors fro serotonin that activates sleep. your brain will recover but some of the serotonin transporters will be effected,hence sleep disturbances. Not much is known about the gABAnergic transporterd but they are involved w the upregulation/downregulation of the gABAnergic receptors. Part of the prob w benzos are their efficacy, an efficacy that is modulated, in part by the ability fro the drug to be receptive at the site. Through genetics, like the process of epigenetics, the brain adapts to having the synthetic substrate, the drug benzodiazapine, and the complex brain system, the gABAnergic is reliant on the exogenous compound to function. Gabanergic system is complex and involved in the regulation of implusivity/compulsivity,fight or flight, memory formation(especially procedural) etc. Most importantly, your nervous systems will adapt back to normal homostasis overtime. The aNS and parasympathetic are very effected and wil recover. sleep is paramount for recovery and will return. also, massage helps, as well as, acunpuncture. It is import to have medical attention w a doc who has exper w this. It is difficult to find dr willing to allow the time it takes to taper. the ashton manual is avery good way to find a tapering schedule. I have a background in psychopharmacology and this helped w my tapering. the most import thing is to do it in no more than 2 attempts-dedicate yourself to it an dhave a partner to help support you. Kratom is a great herb but not really that effective for benzos. valerium, lavender are better choices

    7. Rae

      YES. I barely weaned off of benzos and opiates and went to using red maeng da Kratom. It takes a few days to get the dose right, but it without a doubt kept me from withdrawal.

    8. Sam

      From what I understand Kratom CAN help with Benzo addiction. Please seek out Info on many different forums.

      Be patient. You may have to experience with many different strains and dosages. Look for vendors to provide samples and above all, don’t give up.

    9. Mystique

      Best thing for benzo withdrawals is Kava. Kratom is more for opiate withdrawals. You can get Kava at Kava com.

      1. Dee

        Be very careful with kava, it can cause liver damage.

    10. Ryan

      Kratom will absolutely HELP with benzo withdrawal, but it’s very important to step down gradually from benzodiazepines. You have to wean off over time or you risk inducing a seizure, or even a heart attack and death. Whatever dose you’re on, you’d do best to wean off it slowly over the course of a few months. If that’s not an option, go to the hospital for a medical detox. Besides kratom, kava root extract will slap help a great deal, possibly even more than kratom. The supplement phenibut can be used sparingly as well. Good luck, buddy, I’ve been there and I made it to the other side, you can too.

    11. Binyamin

      Ignore the trolls, Tif.

      It’s true, kratom doesn’t tickle the same neurotransmitters as benzos, but that doesn’t mean you can’t use it to wean yourself the hard stuff. I have a limited supply of Valium, and I find I don’t need it when I “burn” kratom. I still feel anxiety and have trouble sleeping on occasion, but you have to power through it and take no benzos or take markedly less. Workout, meditate, whatever you need to do.

      Kratom won’t be a silver bullet for kicking your addiction. But a lot of it’s psychological. When you start to feel the warmth of kratom onset, use it it to your advantage. Keep yourself distracted and try not to think about the benzos or the thoughts that lead you to them.

      Just don’t replace one drug for the other. The future looks bleak for kratom. Enough people have discovered it that it’s on Big Pharma’s radar. That means their lackeys at the FDA/DEA are going to “control” it so kratom’s alkaloids can be isolated, patented, and sold for exorbitant prices. There’s currently a patent pending for a Narcan substitute using Kratom alkaloids. With the opiod crisis such as it is, a natural substitute, with a huge profit margin, could mean billions.

      I spent my 23rd and 24th birthday in Central Asia after 9/11. I know a lot of guys that came back, got issued their opiods and switched to kratom. Now they’ll have to go without, or get it in pill form from the VA.

      Anyway. Off topic.

      If kratom can’t help you kick the benzo habit, try Baclofen. You can order it from India or get it from a doctor. Rehab clinics use it for benzo withdraw. I used it when the Valium started to get the best of me. No withdraw, but be careful, Baclofen is no saint. It’ll get you, too.

      1. Stephanie

        I have chronic pain and anxiety i cant find my strain or number of capsules but i have days that i can do my yoga with this krathom but im not sure which one cuz i switched so much. Opms is definitely my brand but everyones making me freak on it saying people are killing and shit. I just use it to work out now but cant remember what strain was for pain and anxiety. Or how many grams cuz alot say take more for less anxiousness. So tell me something good. Dateline even freaked people out but i thinl those people tried taking it for entertainment or buzz reasons.

    12. Autumne Warburton

      You can do a very slow taper while using a red strain like red bali or red thai (reds are best for withdrawals) Start cutting your dose in half and replacing with kratom. I did with xanax from 1mg 3 x a day.
      It has and can be done. Get on Facebook support groups like kats k shop or kratom motivation, there’s tons of succesful folks that have done it

      1. Cheryle

        I have been taking 6 mg of Xanax a day for years, but I have been using kratom now have not needed a Xanax for a month now and no withdrawal no problems.

        1. Scott C Maltese

          What strand snd dose

    13. Bella

      I know I’m late in saying I’m proud of you for wanting help. I’ve been addicted to Roxy for 8 years n I just got tired of the chase. I’ve been taking kratom for months n it makes me feel better than any pill. Depending on how high your tolerance is the more kratom you need I take 7g 2x a day. You will have the same withdrawal as pain pills from kratom but like I say if ima be addicted to something I’d rather it be kratom. Good luck my friend and stay strong. One day at a time. Blessed Be

    14. Mike

      Benzodiazepine withdrawal is the worst,Kratom will alleviate some symptoms but not all,you will not be able to swap habits. Pregabalin on the other hand will and is much easier to come off than Benzodiazepines. Steer clear of phenibut,the withdrawals are just as bad.

    15. Ric

      My withdrawal from the benzps was horrid only thing that happened to me was waking up in the floor after a seizure. No other effects.
      Withdrawal from my Rx oxy…. can’t donshkt for about 4 days. Vomit, diahrea. Lethargy. It sux. I just can’t seem to keep enough
      For that last week. I’m afraid of surgery too

    16. B

      Kava will help for benzos.

    17. Leigh

      Kratom is awesome I can’t say enough I’m telling you that if your on any drugs at all kratom. Will 100%help you get off the drugs I promise! Good luck and god bless!

    18. Helpful Passenger

      I’ve not personally but i know someone that used it and it helped them, they did seek a rehabilitation clinic, but the kratom helped slowly ease the erg not to go back. They were addicted to heroin and for that to be your go to depression killer, then to not have one is hard to just do. There are several strains of kratom that can be used at different stages of rehabilitation. The red and some white strains that have more sedative and pain relieving properties to set in place of the usual.
      Then eventually moving from red, to white, to green which have still the pain reliving properties, though less sedative.
      Then fine tune or completely wing off. Though if suffering from chronic pain throughout the day every day, kratom may be a great way to live your life without constant pain.

      If you’re in fact too far to stop without withdrawal, i extremely insist you seek medical attention, then research and seek your kratom. It has done wonders for me.

    19. Rob leveille

      Stay with it! Benzo’s ste the soul! I did it on my own, after 13 years of Xanax, Valium, k-pins, Atavan. I’ve seized in the past, hallucinating out of my mind, (worse then LSD). I’m a combat veteran with severe Pain PTSD/panic disorder.
      I got to the point, with the Benzodiazepines, that I was willing to die, to get off of them. I did tapper somewhat, however, I still had major withdrawals. I prayed the entire time. It was a living hell. But I wanted my life back, even to the point of death. And I got spit out the other side. Now, life is good. Just keep breathing in-and-out. Yoga helped. Deep, deep breathing! A lot of H2O to flush the system. I would recommend a rehab though. Just to be safe. Because these drugs can kill you from withdrawals. NO JOKE!!
      But if you have the determination to quit, than that “determination,” alone, and faith (if you are religious) is the best mindset. “With every difficulty, surly there is relief.” (Holy Quran). Stay the course. You can do it. The rewards of a “Benzo,” free life are far better than what the drug ever did for me. One has to be focused on the outcome. Men and women in prison withdrawal all the time on their own. Think of them for strength. Good luck. GODS Speed to you.

    20. Penny Fulce

      I kicked benzos taking high doses of valerian root. Get the tincture if you can, not the Walmart brand. Go to a health food store. Be careful, though, as too much can drop your blood pressure too low.

    21. Lex

      Unfortunately, for benzos, the only natural things I know that help are GABA and chamomille. I used Irwin naturals stress-defy and it took the edge off better than anything short of a script. The GABA receptors are the part of the brain benzodiazapines effect and that’s what’s going crazy during withdrawral.. I had been on benzos 8 years and did it, more or less cold turkey, but needed Buspar for the anxiety and other non narcotics that help you sleep, since my insomnia was unreal, but I weaned myself off all of that 8 mo ago. Good luck and godspeed!

    22. K

      So sorry for you. My daughter had something similar. She works with her prescribing Dr and takes the taper low and slow. Checkout the Withdrawal Project for specific info on ways to successfully taper benzos. Just don’t do it on your own and I’m sorry, Kratom won’t help. Best of luck.

    23. Shawn

      I had 8 surgeries for my legs ..had skin grafts the whole 9 yards..I was on oxy ir 90 mg every 6 hrs around the was hell coming off I’m not an expert but I do know that kratom has helped a great deal in getting back to life ..

  10. Jake

    Understand this stuff has not been studied, and there are no reputable clinical trials that prove this is SAFE or effective. Although it seems it DOES work for many people. As a licensed pharmacist, I’m always weary about recommending unknown herbal supplements based on anecdotal evidence, but another part of me firmly believes in a patient doing “whatever works” for them, within reason. All I’m saying is that if you’re going to try Kratom, be extremely careful. There’s no known evidence on how this stuff interacts with medications, other supplements, how it is metabolized, how it affects concurrent medical issues, etc. Its also sold as a powder, with the actual milligram quantity of whatever active compounds exist in the plant unknown. There could be a huge variation of active “alkaloids” from one strain to another, one brand to another, etc. However, you have the right to do what you want. Start LOW and go SLOW. Keep track of all side effects! Just keep in mind that this stuff may have long-term effects that we don’t know about yet. Remember Fen-Phen? It was a miracle anti-obesity drug when it first came out but turned out to worsen heart conditions and pulmonary hypertension over long-term usage, and now fenfluramine is illegal, and people are dead as a result. Since this is a relatively unknown and little-understood plant, your medical professionals probably won’t be very welcoming to it (doctors, pharmacists, PT, OT, surgeons etc). But this is your journey, and if it can help people escape the agonizing mental prison that is opiate dependence, then go for it.

    1. Use my spork

      Maeng da 2500 mg helped me off of norcos almost no withdrawals. i take blood pressure and sugar pills experience slight respiratory depression not bad as i have chronic copd. nocos made it impossible to breath. constipation is bad from 2.5 grams up. notice stress relief immediately even though i take klonopin as well the kratom worked well with it and made sleep easy. 2.5 lasts about 5 hours for me all other kinds 2 to 3 hours. taken as a capsule (4) in the am with warm water it was activated in 10 mins. also notice lethargy and feeling of wanting to do nothing but sit. couldnt get an interest in anything so took for withdrawals at night instead of am slept well 6 weeks later was off everything. stress pain in neck and shoulders is gone in 10 minutes though i miss that.

      1. annonymous

        phen phen is not even close to kratom but never heard of it and anything activating the reward system is addicting and dangerous like nicotine caffeine and alcohol especially.

      2. Jennifer

        Ive been taking 10 mg of hydrocodone nightly for 5 months. I bought a starter kit of K and was wondering how much is equivalent to 10 mg of hydrocodone. I have Happy Hippo 2, Hyper hippo, Sleepy Hippo and horned super red. Im looking for the same effects as the 10 mg of hydrocodone.

        1. Sam

          There really isn’t a conversion table for opiates vs kratom. Kratom’s effects are similar, actually better and more effective for pain. I’ve been researching the forums to find answers about it. It seems that no matter how much of the opiates you use, you should stick to the starter dose of kratom which is generally 2-3 grams. It could take up to one hour to kick in. With the correct dose, you’ll get a nice little buzz and be tempted to “take a little more”. DONT DO THAT! Too much will make you nauseous, jittery, and unsteady (in this case, sit tight and sip some soda — you’ll feel better in a few hours).

          There’s a lot of trial and error for beginners but you’ll eventually find the strain and dose that works for you.

          1. Patricia Humphries

            I’ve been on 3mg Suboxone for like 5 years if I stopped it for 48 hours will I feel Kratom if so how much should I take

        2. Beth conaway

          Hey Jennifer,
          I’ve been experiencing Kratom for about 2 weeks now . The best strain for pain for me is White mixed with green . I take about 4 to 6 grams mixed together

          1. Rick

            Hi, not to hijack you question but I’ve been trying to find the right dose for me as well. I’ve been taking norcos 5 times a day for 7 years. My trouble is I’ve tried kratom from 3 different places and haven’t found one that works for me. (Although my first time it did work very well but haven’t been able to duplicate it. 3 grams, red vein Sumatra) I’ve since tried white, Borneo, red Maeng Da and I have a few more but haven’t tried yet. Im afraid two take more than 2 teaspoons of powder at a time. And I’ve noticed I have to dose more. I’m 330 lbs and 6’3” tall.

    2. Pat

      Hey Jake,
      I just read your reply to Tif. It appears that her post was reaching out for information about the possibility that taking kratom would help her in weaning off of benzodiazepines, and not opiates. I just began taking kratom two months ago. I’ve been on and off of benzos for about 15 years and currently suffering from protracted withdrawal. I’ve been experimenting with the many strains of kratom, to find one that may be able to help me wean off benzos permanently. Dealing with benzo addiction is evil, and leads you down a tunnel that hasn’t a light at the end. Jake I realize that are many unknowns regarding the benefits and adverse side effects with kratom. For me, the powder has had a few positive side effects…eg…my blunt glaucoma headaches, bowel regularity and focused mentality, when dealing with others. Do you think that the DEA will some day allow all States to legalize it? I live in one of the 6 States that has banned the product. Any thoughts or advice from you would be greatly appreciated. Thank you sir. P-

      1. Jeff

        Please go to the hospital to withdraw from benzos or alcohol, you can actually die from withdrawal effects of these 2 substances. You cannot die from heroin or opiate withdrawal. Kratom can be very helpful for people for many different reasons, but please consult a doctor before getting off benzos!

        1. Derrick

          You can absolutely die from opiate withdrawal. It’s not very common but it can happen. I was incarcerated while in the midst of a very serious heroin addiction. I had to be transferred from jail to the local hospital. Once I arrived in the E.R., I was diagnosed with kidney failure due to dehydration and complications from the withdrawal. I spent 4 days in I.C.U. and almost ended up on dialysis for the rest of my life.

      2. Reggie

        I was reading Jeff’s reply, and he is absolutely right! I am rather knowledgeable regarding the pharmacology of opioids, benzodiazepines, other GABA agonists, illicit and legitimate chemicals, etc., etc. I have also used Kratom for over three years now, daily for up to a year and a half. Additionally, I have dealt with physical dependence on- and both acute and protracted withdrawal from benzos and alcohol (on several occasions), and seen others do the same…Kratom will NOT stop seizures or convulsions by any stretch of the imagination, despite how many strains one tries. Remember Kratom is a relative of the coffee plant…and at a high enough, or frequent enough dose can make one just as shaky. During withdrawal from benzos and other GABA agonists, less than half a cup of coffee can set off spasms, violent shaking, etc. Same with Kratom, in my experience. The only suitable treatment for benzodiazepine withdrawal is a steady taper, or a short taper, followed with a regimen of a less consciousness affecting or even non-narcotic medication with anti-convulsant properties. Perhaps even a less addictive sleep aid at first as well. You likely will be able to go to your primary care provider and tell your doc how you feel about stopping benzodiazepines. They can set you up with a taper schedule or regimen. Alternatively, or if you are doubtful, or if you try cold turkey and start to convulse or feel like something is really wrong, you can always go to a hospital or other detox facility. It’s not as bad as you might think it is, and it’s better than dying or suffering head trauma from a seizure. This is extremely serious stuff. That being said, Kratom is excellent on the mental end of things, and CAN help anxiety, restlessness, and remedy loss of motivation/interest. Post-withdrawal/treatment, and even during one or two tapers, kratom was a powerful tool to help me change habits and eliminate much of my cravings. Just another piece of advice too, and you probably realize this but maybe other people don’t: all the while you are tapering/withdrawing, it might suck (might not) but no matter how you feel, eat well; get at least some light exercise in, even if it’s just stretching and walking; and try your best to remain aware of and maintain a sleep schedule-go to bed early enough to get at least six hours in even if you don’t feel sleepy, and don’t lay in bed/sleep all day. Doing those simple things can really be the difference between being able to smile and feeling like death. See a doc, take care of yourself, use kratom only as an adjunct, and good luck!

        1. Someone actually in this field

          The above response is irresponsible in telling you how to try and titrate from benzos. Those of us who actually WORK in detox facilities see people die of amateur benzo w/ drawal every day.
          IF you are, on a cellular level, dependent upon either alcohol or benzos (the only two detoxes that can kill you alone i.e. not complicating another condition), go to your local crisis center/hospital. If you try at home and die, that’s on you.

    3. Helpful Passenger

      That’s what they said about cannabis and now look how much they’ve “revealed” about its positive properties and how little the negative effects are.

  11. Raiderberg

    Everyone on pain pills and or alcohol. My life was going down in a spiral. 3 shoulder surgeries after a hit and run, bball, and snowboarding accident. Neck, Clavicle, and spine still messed up.

    It all started in 2009. After being on pills and drinking until 2017 all the energy and happiness was sucked out of me. 3 days after taking Probiotics I started getting energy back. Stopped drinking alcohol and reduced pain meds.

    Pills kill your good bacteria and throw off your chemical balance. Offset that with Probiotics.

    Still in a lot of shoulder pain, but I deal with it much better when I am happy.

    Going to try Kratom to get off pks completely.

    1. Priscilla Hause

      I’m weaning off pks also. Just tried the red Vietnam 1-1/2 tsp. Works great for me.

      1. Helpful Passenger

        Red bali and red maeng da are good for this too. Also White maeng da, though green maeng da is much less sedative than those, it still has some serious pain relieving properties and give you energy for the day.

  12. Kratom

    Just get a scale! Its the best and easiest way. For under $10 you know what you’re getting accurately instead of measuring out with a teaspoon and table spoons which are almost always off. Just my two cents…

    1. Elliot

      it is more convenient though

      1. Helpful Passenger

        Almost all kratom weigh significantly more or less than others. Getting a stronger kratom that is strong enough to take half or less than a half a dose, then take your normal dose and you with think that kratom is way stronger, or too strong. It is a terrible idea to measure powder. If you could fit in 100 lb Basket of potatoes does that make you 100 lbs?

        1. Dave

          How could you fit in a basket of potatoes if 100 pounds of potatoes are already inside of it?

    2. annonymous

      gemini 20 is the best or aws scale which is similar to the gemini 20 but accurate 99%.

      just get capsules already measured or buy empty 00 caps which equal 0.9 grams to 1.5 grams of kratom.

      kratom extract caps will make you take less and only need one but i recommed twice or 3 times a week or after the week of honeymoon your addicted.

  13. Melody

    I’m looking to try Kratom for my chronic pain. I’ve had so many people tell me how their lives have changed. I’m not looking for any “high”, I just want the pain to stop so I can live a normal life again. I need to know the best strain for strong pain- I have fibromyalgia, chronic degenerative joint and disc disorder, and I’ve broken my tailbone twice. So, what strain and dosage should I figure on? Currently, I’m on 20mg Oxycontin twice a day and (3) 20mg Oxycodone a day. I want to work and have a life and everyone tells I have to try Kratom.

    1. Keith Cannon

      Man da.
      I have had 3 back surgeries and live in chronic pain. Currently have 1 ruptured and 2 slipped and heavily compressed discs. I was on all manner of heavy pain Ned’s for 7 years. They were ruinin my life.
      Now I take a teaspoon of kratom.every every 3 to 8hrs.
      Definitely give it a try.
      It does work like oxycodi e so you will get constipated. ..not much way around it. You will develop a tolerance as well. Start with as low a dosage as works and go from there.
      A coffee enema at least once a month keeps body toxins in check. Good luck!

      1. Christina L Bennett

        I must disagree with you in regards to the constipation effects. Personally, we (my husband & I) find that Kratom helps to keep us regular.

      2. Linda

        Which one are you using?

    2. Carrie

      Hi, Melody. I also have fibromyalgia and degenerative disc disease (lower spine). The only remedy that alleviates my pain is kratom. I find the Red Vein Bali strain is the best for pain. I use either the leaf or powder and brew it into a tea. I don’t know how I could manage without kratom. Without it, I would be in constant pain and forced to collect disability. Best of luck to you in your search.

    3. Christina

      I began my use of Kratom just about 1 yr ago when I made the decision to discontinue use of opiates for pain control. I use 1 Tbs (6.2 gr) of Red Vein Maeng Da & it truly does work. If you use your Kratom after discontinuing your opiates it should alleviate your withdrawal all together. I hadn’t heard of Kratom until about day 3 of HORRIFIC withdrawals. I was in bed with chills, fever, diarrhea, lethargy, ached in places I didn’t even know existed, luckily a neighbor heard of my plight & sent over a couple of doses for me (don’t recall the strain). I laughed at my husband when he gave me the green fine powder & said out loud “Oh well, I’m feeling like I’m dying anyway, what’s the worst that may happen?”. Mind you I hadn’t even had the energy to shower, eat & barely drink. About 35 – 40 mins later I was out of bed, getting into the shower, cleaned my kitchen & cooked dinner! I felt “normal”. I was on very high doses of extremely strong opiates (ie: 20 mg oxycodone, 150 mcg fentanyl every 48 hrs & 20 mg of oxycontin x’2 per day. My withdrawals were pure he’ll. I’ve been using Kratom EVER since.

      I recommend you purchase the Red Vein as it has the absolute highest pain control whereas White Vein has a higher level of energy with low pain management.

      I’ll say a prayer for you. If you’re woeking to reclaim your body & your mind, thisvis the correct way to go.

      1. Tuesday

        Ive been on Fentanyl for over 14 years. I talked with my doctor and started a taper in December 2016 I’m down from 100 meg every 48 hours to 37 meg every 48 hours. It’s a struggle, but I’m pushing through. Can you please tell me how you use K. Is it in a tea form, capsule form or are you taking dry powder followed by water. I’m so ready to be off the Fentanyl it controls everything I do, because I have to ensure I have it when I need it. Any advice would be great appreciated! Good job on getting off the meds.

        1. Christina L Bennett

          There are various ways to take your dose. For my husband & I, we prefer to use a very small amount of VERY HOT water to mix our powder into a paste. With the paste I simply add about 3 oz of juice and I take it like a shot (shot of tequila for example) because Kratom tastes VERY earthy. Imagine licking the underside of your lawn mower! LOL, but it WORKS! You may also fill gel caps or buy those Japanese edible papers. However, taking it as I’ve described you feel the pain relief much quicker.

          1. JoJoFezz

            Lol it reminds me of instant green tea. Something about the smell and taste seems so similar

        2. Dee

          I mix my dose up real well in a serving of apple sauce. It makes it much more palatable. Never tried taking it any other way. I also make sure I take 1 stool softener a day with my first dose. I always keep a large bottle from the warehouse club on hand.

      2. Anne

        My situation is similar to yours and i want my mind back. Ive had 6 back surgeries in 3 years all failed and i just dont want anymore surgeries and want off of pain meds. But how do u know how much to take?

        1. Audra

          I too have chronic pain due to spinal deformity I was born with. Many operations, injections and strong opiate usage for roughly 3 years. I want to get off. Has anyone used Kratom along with opiates to help ween off?

          1. Audra

            Also, what website is the best to order from?

          2. Fred Aandreson

            With kratom, think about it as 5mg pills of “morphidone.” A new drug? No, I just made up a name. So with kratom, do the same as you would with my invented opioid morphidone. I’d take half a pill of morphidone first two times, just in case it is really really weird. Then I’d do the prescribed dose of 3 pills a day. In a few weeks, if I can’t feel any relief and don’t have side effects, I’d ask the doc to double my dosage. Well kratom is no different. Start with teaspoons of powdered leaf. The color or strain will take a month to figure out what’s best. For me, with extended (30 yrs of back pain) history of pain and opioids, I, like many people, take kratom by tablespoon (about 7 grams). I use a kilogram a month. Usually 1 tbsp every 4 to 6 hours. Last two days I’ve doubled the dose: something got worse in my lower back. As for getting off opioids, it was automatic for me: the kratom was better, and I don’t generally have withdrawal problems. I find kratom not constipative; opioids usually are. Keep a notebook for reference and to track your patterns (make notes about pain relief, for how long, dosage of whatever, repeated every 2 or 12 hrs…it’s a good habit.

        2. Christina L Bennett

          As with wanting new, start out with lesser doses & see what works for you best. I was on very strong opiates for at least 15 years so I may need more. I take a heaping TBLS of Red for pain. In the mornings I take 2 tsp of White w/2 tsp of Red, this assists on giving me some energy along with my pain relief. Take smaller doses of White (1 – 2 tsp) and a larger dose of Red (1 TBLS) when taking either 1 alone.

      3. Steve & Deb

        Everything you said sounds good but have you built up any tolerance to Kratom so far? Could you tell us how often you take it? My husband and I are on small Veterans’ pension, he’s very disabled. Can you give us any idea what kind of cost we’d be looking at if we both took it? Hope you do well on your come-back. One way or the other you’re in our prayers.

      4. Dee

        Thank you for sharing Christina. my husband is on a high dose of pain meds, about to be cut off. I’m looking for help. Thanks again, D

      5. Crystal chavers

        Christina I feel your pain,I’ve just found out about I’m looking for the best kind to take for my pain.the pain doctor put me on methadone and hydrocodone and I am no longer seeing him cause he moved away.the new doctor wouldn’t take me without insurance so I was stuck I understand about withdrawals and I was willing to try anything thay would help with pain and withdrawals.ive been taking kratom about a month and I still haven’t figured out the kind or doses it’s like u have to just pick a has helped tremendously.i hope everything works out for you.i don’t wanna get back on the opiates I’ve decided after a month that it helps so I don’t wanna be on them anymore.i read your comment and I connected with it.thank you

      6. Sargina Warda

        Licking a lawnmower?? LOL!!! Hysterical, yet true!! I’ve been using my Vitamix with 6 oz. of OJ and 2 tsps of white plantation. I swear, it is the same high that i get with Norco10. But OMG.. the taste! In asking the website i purchase from about it, he said it doesn’t come in caps, but he can make me some. But if there are 500 mg in 1 teaspoon, that means I’ll be taking 20 caps to = just 1 dosage of 2 teas.??? Yikes… maybe it doesn’t taste so bad after all.

        1. Stephanie Cox

          Mix it with chocolate milk ( not drink ) it needs to be milk , meaning no yoohoos ect. You can mix with spoon or shaker .. You can barely taste the kratom.

          1. Adrienne Hardison

            So true. And breathe through your mouth, not nose between gulps. Brand new to kratom. Got red and green Mang da. Trying to substitute for both pain and ADD meds. Any advise?

        2. Sandi

          Sargina Warda, I’m sure you meant normal as in no withdraw and not “high’. I don’t know anyone who gets high. threads like these are scanned looking for reasons to make kratom illegal in all states. a lot of people in chronic pain would be in a horrible position. so we should choose our words wisely. You can buy the gel capsules and a capsule filler on ebay. really cheap and fills 12 or more at a time. great for going out or every so often. 2 tsps would not be 20 caps but would still be quite a few. the acid in the OJ makes a difference and you would prob miss it. stick with licking a lawnmower LOL

      7. Shari Wilson

        Your meds were simular dosages to mine. Tapering down. Not sure if weight counts. Am 83 lbs. Starting to feel more pain. Should i wait until I am off or can I start now. I’m on 100 mcg now and down to 5 Percocet plus valium? 16 years. Cutting fentyl so far at 13 mcg a month instead of 25. So cut Percocet to 5 mg. Not sure how long Dr will let me keep them.

      8. Debbie Carter

        I am so glad I happened upon your comment I don’t know if you’re still leaving reading this site I know it’s kind of old… I have been suffering relentlessly trying to get off opiates. With our Government ruining the lives of us chronic pain patients I have been taken down from five, 30 mg oxycodone and two 60 mg extended release morphine per day, also 90 muscle relaxer‘s per day, and for my anxiety, sixty 10 mg Valium per day… everything but the pain medication was completely cold turkey taken away from me by my primary care doctor, and in the last eight months I have been weaned down to 60 Oxycodone Per month and it continues to get dropped… My body has been in constant turmoil these last months and I know they will be completely taken away from me I have four herniated disc‘s in my neck, not willing to do risky surgery in fear further complications so many lower back problems I do not want any further lower back surgeries I have peripheral neuropathy carpal tunnel syndrome degenerative disc disease, osteoarthritis, fibromyalgia, the list goes on and then there’s always those days when I have run out of medicine and go through the horrible withdrawsl… I am wanting to try this kradom… I want my life back, I have been suicidal just from getting off the benzo‘s cold turkey!!!! I been just insane about this craziness happening, my pain management doctors put me on all this medicine and now they’re not willing to do anything except just take more medicine away every month… The love of For my children, and the grandchildren I attempt to take care of are the only reason I’m still here, and haven’t done that final horrible thing. What is being done to chronic pain patients is one of the most horrible things imaginable thank you for your comforting words I’m going to try this kratom just to soon as I can!!!!! God bless you

    4. Michael Tierra

      I would suggest starting with one teaspoon once or twice a day. That’s a low dose. I use the green veined Maeng da. If this does not do it, increase by half teaspoon dose every other day. The goal is to take as little as you need. two to 4 or five teaspoons of the powder is not too much but don’t do this all at once.

      While taking Kratom gradually cut down on the other pain killing drugs until you are only taking Kratom. One man on this site describes quiting his alcohol addiction and maintaining with 12 grams of kratom a day. That’s approximately 6 teaspoons twice a day. I consider that a lot but he didn’t and was happy he could maintain with that dose. Your addiction might be quite severe and you may have to up the dose of Kratom quite a bit to overcome it. Be sure you do are not eating an inflammatory diet i.e. avoid sugar, flour products, dairy (the latter at least for awhile).

      I hope this helps. Don’t be afraid of Kratom. You want to avoid building up a tolerance to it. So you can have a Kratom free day every third or fifth day after you are over the hump.

      Let me know how this works for you.

    5. Mike Hep

      hi there im an advid herbalist with Some experience with this plant as w ll as many others,its by far the only thing thts effective in combating my rls issues,Lower back an knee pain as well as the treturous toothaches tht torture my open nerves only downside is kratoms digested very slowly and should ONLY be used in medical means not as a daily recreation.Reasons being intestinal blockages nd gastric ulcers…please use this plant respectfully cor if abused its just as damaging on the body as large amounts of alcohol or even acedaminophen for tht matter..Kratom helps ppl but if yu dnt adheed these warnings negative side effects will present themselves. one way to tell if interactions are occuring is darkened stools abdominañ pains and changes in fluidity of bowl movements (“severe constipation”) *Knowledge is Power To All In Unity As One nammestai*

  14. Chris

    I have just over 4 years of sobriety from a horrible alcohol and hydrocodone addiction. I started taking an anti depressant not long after sobriety because I was miserable. They helped a little, but I was still not myself. Last year was the first time I heard of Kratom and after weeks of research I started taking greens. Wow! I no longer need the prescriptions. Since then I have fully submitted my life to Jesus and things keep looking up for me. Praise God for giving us this wonderful plant! Genesis 1:29 “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed: to you it shall be for food.”

    1. Donna Newman

      I am 6 yrs clean n sober. And I could no longer take the constant everyday struggle of depression and motivation and lack of joy within. I go to meetings do all the 12 step stuff and own my own business, just bought a house and have my first grandbaby…..but on a daily basis I just don’t want to go on, constant feeling of hopelessness. I have know about kratom and only used it once in a very small dose. I decided I needed to do something drastic and try Kratom for my depression, and I am glad I did. It’s day 3 and I only take 1 gram a day. Considering I was a heroin addict and thought that this was no way gonna work at such a low dose. I am greatful that I have had such positive results from it and have no desire to abuse it. I feel like I should feel!!! With a bit of joy and easy in my daily life. I thank god!!!

      1. Mike sweeny

        Good on you. Kratom ivr never tried. Will be for first time later. Trying to beat a meth & heroin addiction. How many grams should I start with, it’s powder form and I plan just chalk swallowing with water. Any advice, does it get you high?

        1. Christina

          No, you won’t get high from kratom, depending on which strain (Red, White, Green or Yellow) you will receive various benefits. Seeing as you’re a heroin addict I think you’d probably do well with Red Vein as it’s used for pain management & in some people you will they have a euphoric feeling. It’ll DEFINATELY alleviate your withdrawal symptoms. I also recommend that you do NOT pour powder into your mouth with a water chaser because the fine powder reacts like cinnamon. Have you ever tried to mix cinnamon with a liquid? It’s very difficult & I can imagine you breathing it into your lungs & possibly causing you some damage. I mix mine in about 1 or 2 Tbs’ of extremely hot water into a paste, then add more water, juice or soda & take it as a “shot”. It’s far easier this way, I PROMISE! I’d suggest you start with 1 Tbs (6.2 gr). Most people take a dose every 4 hrs or so hours. When you need your next dose, you WILL know. Congrats on kicking the trash you’ve allowed your body & mind to crave. You CAN DO THIS!! 😁 Take care & God bless you.

        2. melissa miller

          I’ve been taking kratom for years now. I’ve been able to stay sober this wAy. I would definitely recommend taking the capsules. The powder is nasty. If you can’t swallow capsules then put the powder in applesauce. I personally prefer the Bali strain. I take 10 to 15 capsules at a time. I’ve built a tolerance for it and feel awful when I don’t have it! So beware!

    2. Not amoron

      You are an absolute moron.

    3. Gigi

      God Bless You! Interesting to me that you used the Biblical reference. I just started Krantom today in search of a healthier opportunity than Suboxone to keep my sobriety up. I was prescribed opiates for years, and once I saw the dangers I no longer wanted to rely on them to relieve my Chiari (brainstem herniation) symptoms. So, I asked to be put on Suboxone because the internet tries to scare anyone considering Krantom for opiate withdrawal it seemed to me. However, I don’t want to rely on opiates at all, and while mutes with Naloxone, Suboxone is a very strong
      Opioid. As of today, I’ve prayed that Our Father keep me safe and healthy through this journey to rid myself of opiods… Period. In any event, please keep me in your prayers and know your post seemed to be an affirmation for me that I’m doing a Good Thing. ☺️

    4. Frater Raoul

      Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law.
      I’d rather hang onto The most epic force in the universe (mans will) than hand it over to some evil absent tyrant masquerading as an omnipresent savior.

    5. Frater Raoul

      “The only sin is restriction”
      “The mystery of the letters is done and I want to go on to a holier place”
      “I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men”
      “Curse them, curse them, curse them”
      “With my hawks head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross
      I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed and blind him
      With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, mongol and din
      Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds
      Let Mary inviolate be torn upon the wheels for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you

  15. Paul

    I’m taking 12 capsules of Maeng da and it has no real effect on me. How many grams are in each capsule??i but it at a vape shop

    1. Daniel

      If you bought them at a vape shop chances are it’s bunk Kratom. Buy from an online conmercial Keaton vendor, usually the first ones to pop up on the search engine are the best or most popular

    2. tom

      I buy mine online,I take about 4 grams at a time,if your looking to get high like with percs,it won’t happen,it works to relieve
      pain pill withdrawal symptoms,but I haven’t found that any gets you high

      1. Dude

        Tom I have to say I disagree. There is definitely a high to be had. It comes at much higher doses for me at least. 12 + grams. I did 30 grams due to accidental measuring without a scale and when I weighed the rest of my bag when I got home I was kind of freaked out and definitely high.

        1. Helene

          I would suggest that if you take 30 grams you will get violently ill. And saying it gets you high at high doses is just adding fuel to the fire of the dea trying to make it illegal. So many of us rely on Kratom for so many illnesses. Taking it to try to get high is just gonna make you sick.

    3. Cathy

      One capsule equals half a gram.

    4. Olivia

      Usually there is .2-.5 in each capsule

    5. Christina

      Are you taking Red, White Green or Red? If you’re taking White, you’re probably taking too much. Oddly, smaller doses (2 tsp) of White works better re energy whereas with Red you probably want to take 1 Tbs (6.3 gr) for pain control. Also, as they stated below, Smoke Shop Kratom could be of lesser quality, not 100% pure & could’ve been on a shelf for who knows how long. I buy mine straight from a farmer in Indonesia & it’s VERY good, fresh & pure.

      You will not get a high. Some people experience euphoria (mainly Red), high energy (White). It’s also great for folks who have made a conscience effort to discontinue opiates (whether it be off of illegal drugs or deciding you want your life back from the meds your doctor prescribe you for pain control).

      If you wish to buy, I recommend you search online. I don’t know if we are allowed to recommend places to purchase it, otherwise I do have some vendors to suggest you check out.

      1. Mona Seering

        Please help me with an ordering source. I’m older, no rotator cuff for 20 yrs. Broke femur off hip, spent time in nursing home, now at home in bed. Was taking prescription meds, and cannot tolerate. Please, I want to walk again, they say I have arthritis so bad I need hip replacements, shoulder replacement…But 18 failed surgeries, I can’t take any more. They lie. What do you have to lose? Dr asks. My right arm, or my life, I reply, this is my fear. they say, oh that won’t happen!
        I reply, ” put that in writing.”
        No, I can’t do that he says. Get certified letter stating will only perform emergency surgery on me ….I’m seriously done with the MD system of corruption, pain inducing and leaving you with painful damage for a life of pain.

        1. Marsha

          Hi Mona. I know this is an old post and it appears we’re on a similar track, although yours sounds far more severe. I am 68, 2 back surgeries, steroid injections, nerve ablation etc. Tried everything under the sun and then read about Kratom. Have been using about 2 grams of Maeng Da White Vein, twice a day and I weigh 110 lbs. It really helps with my pain but now I’m worried about the addictive properties and am reading all I can on the subject. Hope you have experienced relief since your post :))

        2. Evan

          Mona, I know your pain. I was put through 4 unnecessary back surgeries because of my insurance. I finally got the right one, a spinal fusion, and it helped with the nerve issue, however, I have permanent post op pain due to too many operations in the same area. I’m 35 and I move like a 90yr old. I’ve been on pain meds since I was 13 due to several other operations. Its a vicious cycle and I’ve been using kratom for a week now. Of course it’s not a 100% cure, but it does help with my pain about 70% and with withdrawal. I wish you the best of luck!

  16. Ezee

    I need some help understanding if I’ve been ripped off. I bought from what I thought might be a reputable site after much research for over a year. I’m currently in withdrawal from opiates 5-10 20mg oxy a day at least. I don’t yet have a scale..Last time I took about 4 tsp of Bali with no effect…Once before that 4 tsp meng da also nothing. I just took a full tablespoon. Idk how I did it parachuting without puking but it’s been 30 mins and still nothing. Do I keep going up? How does anyone take this much? I tried capping but it took so ooo long. Even if this does work how would I swallow upward of a tablespoon a day?! Should I quit while I’m ahead? I would cold turkey but I need to take care of my child 😩

    1. Jenna

      Keep going, That happened to me also. I would take 3 teaspoons every 3-4 hours and sometimes it would be my third dose that would hit. If you have more strains, then keep trying dif one every dose and one will hit. There’s a lot of factors involved, but don’t quit. I’m in ur situation as well and I almost gave up because I didn’t feel anything, but patience is key. Start at 3tsp. Red strains are best for pain.

      Hang in there and you’ll find your “sweet spot”

      God bless u

    2. Zona

      I had tried kratom before to no great effect but it took awhile for me to find the right strains. Everybody is different, so the right strain for me might not work for you. I don’t know enough about extracts to suggest one to you, but my advice is to switch strains/vendors. It does work eventually! Good luck to ya

    3. Netter

      Hi. You should feel some kind of relief from that amount. You might have gotten bad Kratom. I would recommend sticking to reds and taking it with grapefruit juice. Makes it kick in faster. Drop the powder in your mouth and drink some juice. Don’t inhale, powder going down your throat is not fun!!! Good luck!!!

    4. Eric Pierce

      Every Vendor has different quality kratom, I’ve done 20 grams of some vendors kratom to get desired effects while another vendor I only need 4 to 6 grams. Stop taking teaspoons if you feel like puking what I do is put the powder into a cup then add lemon juice and then orange juice and then drink it down you can’t even taste it. I’d say do atleast 4 tablespoons into a cup and do the orange juice and lemon juice method. If 4 is too little then go up another 2 tablespoons and keep going up until withdrawals become more manageable. if it’s too powerful lower dosage. You are already have a tolerance to kratom since it works like opioids so your going to need quite a high dose to cease withdrawals.

    5. Eric Pierce

      Also stir the kratom often or else there will be a kratom sludge on the bottom, if you get sludge at more orange juice and mix again to get the remaining amount.

    6. Marie

      I used kratom for my suboxone withdrawal. I was taking 3 or 4 8mg strips a day. That medicine builds up in the system so it took me about 2 weeks before I actually experienced kratom like it’s intended. With that said, when you are in withdrawal, you will not notice the benefits, but you will get relief from withdrawal. It knocks out about 90% of it. Stick with it. Whites for energy, reds for pain and green is in between. I continued kratom because after much research and experience, it’s been one of the best things I’ve ever discovered. Best of luck!

      1. cnote

        A friend of mine will be coming off methadone soon, what strand did you use?

    7. robin

      I use 20 grams a day, I don’t think a tablespoon would do anything for me. I use it for pain relief from fibromyalgia.

      1. Tim Cornell

        Did it help my wife has Fibromyalgia and i do to

        1. Zach

          It definitely helps

    8. Monica

      Hey hope your found a way to get the kratom to help!! I was on 150+ mL of oxy switched to Suboxone for over a year, tappered down to .5ml of the subs and than started kratom, it def helped!!! I mixed mine with orange juice or grapefruit juice to help release the Alkaloids in the kratom. And also taking it on a empty stomach, or making a tea with the kratom to release the Alkaloids. I think when using kratom for withdrawal you really need to release the Alkaloids bc our brain receptors are different than someone taking kratom without ever using opiates. I really hope this helps and your able to use the kratom I also have a 3 year old wouldn’t have been able to go cold turkey and care for her!!! Been taking kratom about a month trying to tapper off of that now, but keep your head up!!!!! The struggle to opiates is just to much and it get hold fast but by that point your almost stuck.

    9. RogerG

      You can try Japanese oblate discs, from Amazon. It is edible film, you put the extract inside and swallow it whole…

    10. toolbelt_1

      I can say I would probably start with 2 tablespoons. I was on 24 mgs of Suboxone and jumped to Kratom. I started out with 1/2 tsp and went up from there. I found that 3 tablespoons was where I stopped going through WDs and actually started to feel good again. It took another week to get my full strength back. I would also try Plantation Maeng Da as it is the most powerful I have ever taken and I have taken a lot of them so far. Maeng Da will help a lot with the morning pains and lethargy! Again depending on how many years you have used opiates will have a direct affect on your dosage of Kratom. I would start with 1 tablespoon and go up by 1/2 tablespoon until you reach your feel good dosage. Take that dosage for a few weeks and then start to taper down as it will become too much after a few weeks. It takes awhile for your body to flush out opiates, at least it did for me. I took Kratom for 3 days before I found the right dosage. One last thing, I would advise taking it in a tea or through some sort of ice cream shake if you have a good blender. The effects will kick in quicker if mixed it milk as it attaches to the milk lipids quite well. The tea is most the effective and hits you the quickest. I now use gelcaps as it find it lasts a lot longer (6-8 hours).

      1. Gigi

        Would you kind of mentor me through this process? I got capsules today and have titrated down to 4mg once a day of the Sub Strip. I am grateful you posted this, though because I took 4 caps at 1 today and didn’t really obtain withdrawal relief. I say that because the original dose of Sub I was on was 8 mg twice daily per the doc. He said I would need to be on Subs for at least a year to reset my Receptors. It has been 5 months for me and I don’t like the thought of being on yet another opioid that long when my goal was not to be on one at all. I used to take 5-10 mg Oxycodone before deciding to go on Subs. Just saw too many friends begin to abuse them and did not want that for myself. Thanks for any help you might offer as you’ve been in this position. I’m grateful to you! God bless!!

    11. David

      Ezee……I started using kratom to deal with opiate withdrawals, used opiates for years. My experience is if you already have a high tolerance to opiates you probably have with kratom as well. Also, maybe more important, do not expect the same high from kratom. It is very mild compared to opiates and may not feel anything, but, it helps keep withdrawal symptoms to a minimum or none at all. I had to use close to 20 grams of green Malay before I felt any kind of high. But BEWARE, you can certainly have some very tough withdrawal from kratom itself as I found out the hard way. Just don’t fall into the trap of taking more and more trying to get a high and next thing you know you have taken over 20 grams and setting yourself up for kratom withdrawal which is pretty bad, especially the diarrhea and depersonalization, for me any way. Used wisely, kratom is fantastic for coming off opiates!!

    12. David

      Just look at some of the dosage guides online. For me, anything over 10 grams a day is a waste and setting yourself up for kratom withdrawal. I start with about 4 grams in the morning, maybe a couple of grams around lunch and 4 grams in the evening just before dinner (take on empty stomach) and that kept withdrawals away and, as the opiates got out of my system completely, after a couple of weeks I started feeling the mild energizing effect I read about which helped with PAWS quite a bit. Just don’t fall into the addict thinking of well if I just take more the high will come!! Good luck with it!!

    13. Jim A Violette

      00 caps are almost 1 use 1 00 cap as a gram.

    14. Francisco Balaban

      Mate, if you are in acute withdrawal from 100-200mg of oxy per day it is a huge habbit. It is a vaste for you to take more than 20g of kratom powder daily. You cant just go off with the kratom.
      First of all, buy Loperamide hydrochloride (otc anti diarhoea med.) and use at minimum 40mg in the morning and 40mg for the night. After the week of usage go down with loperamide and add a kratom TEA. If you nead to take big amounts letś make a brew!
      Take to the pot all your daily dose of kratom (max 50-60 g) add 700ml of wather and boil it for 30 min. with a few spoons of grapefruit or orange. Then stir properly (the plant stuff can make you also feel nauseous), devide in 4 doses and drink every 4-6hours.
      Peace 🙂

    15. tom

      depends on the type,Meng da is supposed to be one of the better ones,is what I use,if you use it to get high it won’t work , it should work to alleviate your withdrawal symptoms,it is the only thing that worked for me.

    16. Cindy Coffman

      Your taking too much Jess us more might not do well with those strains 2teas should be enough to keep the withdrawals and pain at bay. Without knowing exactly where and what you got idk how to exactly answer but do know you are taking too much surprised that you haven’t gotten the wobbles or nauseated from the amounts makes me maybe think you got a bad batch it does happen if looking for same effect as opiates you not going to get it not going to happen just feels normal

    17. Clay

      Take more. I’ve heard that you can get physically addicted, but after quitting suboxone and alcohol I haven’t noticed any addiction to kratom. With kratom, you need to take more at first. After a while you won’t need as much and you will be content without being “messed up “.You will feel fine with no desire to do any drugs. Stick with it and please don’t relapse back to drugs.

    18. JoJoFezz

      It helps! Like someone said it won’t be your silver bullet but it helps tremendously. I can’t get past the taste but I parachute myself. Try toss and wash with orange or white grapefruit juice

  17. Kriie S Rivas

    I have just started researching Kratom. Has anyone tried it for arthritis pain? What strain would I use, and how much? I’m 5’3″, 150# woman. Any advice would be appreciated.

    1. Jenna

      Red strains are best for pain, in my opinion. My other advice is watch a ton of youtube videos. I liked the 2 young men on Kratompedia. They have a lot of helpful advice.

    2. Bobbi

      Hi Kriie,
      I’m no expert by any means, but I find that mixing any green strain with a red one is the best for arthritis. The red is good for the pain, while the green helps with the fatigue associated with the arthritis.

      The best green I’ve had is green malay otherwise called Malaysian, and the best red is red Kapuas.
      As far as how much, a lot depends on if you have been taking any opiate pain medication, and how you usually tolerate meds. For instance my friend is much taller and weighs a lot more than I do, yet she can take one vicodin and almost pass out where I can take one and not even notice the effects. So start low dose maybe 2 grams, see what you feel and work your way up. I’m in my 7th month and still experimenting worth different strains and doseages,but so far the ones mentioned above do the best for arthritis pain and fatigue.
      Best of luck, and don’t give up! It takes Patience, trial and error but it’s worth it. 🙂

    3. Eric Pierce

      I myself do. It suffer from arthritis however I do know many who do use kratom for this purpose. You are gonna want a Red Strain which is more sedating and much more of an analgesic than other strains. But if you want a decent amount of pain relief while having energy get a green strain they are much more mild in euphoria but give nice pain reducing effects without the overwhelming sedation. I recommend Red Bentanguie, Red Sumutra, Red Bali, Red Maeng Da (Energized Red Strain) Red Thai (another energetic red) Green Malay (Balanced Pain Relief and Energy. Some say this one lasts longer) remember Greens are slightly less analgesic than red but do offer a bit of stimulation which would be good for working. If your naive to opioids I would start with 2 Tablespoons and adjust dose as needed. If you use opioid pain relievers your going to wanna start higher with about 4 tablespoons. I personally Take 4-6 grams for my desired dosage but most people measure with Tablespoons so just keep upping the dose until desired effects are achieved. Kratom does not cause respiratory depression so it is a safe herb and you cannot die however overdose is unpleasant and will cause vomiting but atleast it isn’t lethal and less addictive than opioids however dependency is still possible seeing that I am dependent on it since I use it for bipolar and depression.

    4. Eric Pierce

      Typo * I do not suffer from arthritis but I do know people who do that use kratom

    5. Geoff

      Red Thai works great if you want to stay awake, Red Bali will work great too but is sedating.

      1. Geoff

        Start with 1 tsp and go from there.

    6. Luxie

      Hi I’ve been using it for joint pain (don’t know if it’s arthritis yet)and a torn tendon and it works quite well for me. A nurse recommended .5 grams per 25 lb. of body weight and that dosage seems perfect. Before attempting that dose I tried .5 grams total as a test.

    7. Robert Darigan

      What I am doing is taking five gelcaps of Kratom twice a day. That is more than most but I have been taking Tramadol (150mg/day) and Methadone (25mg/day) so I have a high tolerance to Narcotic Pain killers. Try the Bali maybe 2 gelcaps at a time and find your proper dosage. It helps with the pain better than the others. If you contact me Ill tell you where I get my kratom.

      1. S Nour

        I take 6 capsules of Bali twice a day (total 12 per day) for EDS and Rheumatoid Arthritis, taking this dose I do not require any pain meds. If I’m taking Tramadol 100mg twice a day, I supplement with 4 capsules of kratom twice a day. I am 5’9″ 160lbs Woman. These doses keep me functional and pain tolerable. Hope this helps.

      2. Angel

        Robert could you email me? I need advice on how much to use and how much to go into making my own caps. I am also on methadone and not addicted, but dependent due to chronic severe pain. Id appreciate any insight you have. Thank you. [email protected]

        1. Daffy

          Im also on methadone for dependency and chronic pain and wanted to know if i can take kratom while taking methadone? Also take prozac and gabapentin.

      3. Steve

        Hi. I was reading your post. Just wondered where you buy kratom. And what strains do you recommend for energy? There sure are a lot of shady looking sellers on line. Thanks!!

        1. James Kotak

          My experiences have all been unbelievable with Relax Remedy/Awaken Relaxation (2 different sites but the same company). I highly recommend their Kratom and Kanna. It’s been my first year trying Kratom, and I can take as little as 500mg and feel remarkable stimulant and/or analgesic effects from their Maeng Da, White Summatran, and Green Malay. I still haven’t tried the rest, but have 5g samplers of each and will have tried them all by the end of August! With RR’s products, I find that I am taking as little as 1/5 the amount others are taking of other sellers’ products, and I’m getting the same effects. I hear the exact same thing from countless others who make RR their only destination for ordering Kratom. I am very sensitive to it, however, so that is definitely a factor. But the strength and quality are always consistent in my experienced (4 orders so far).

          I am not in any way affiliated with the above websites; I am simply a VERY satisfied (and amazed!) customer who highly recommends their products based solely on my own experiences with them.

          MUST TAKE ON EMPTY STOMACH THOUGH! If I take 500-1000mg before my first meal of the day, I always start to feel the effects in about 28 minutes. However, if I eat lunch and then wait 4 or 5 hours and take the same amount of Kratom, it always takes between 45 and 90 min. to start to feel the effects. So when they say “on an empty stomach”, they MEAN “on an EMPTY stomach.”

          Good luck!

          1. Troy N

            Yeah relax remedy is the best I’ve ever used. Although you can’t go wrong with them, I suggest maeng da as the most potent. If you don’t like that then any red vein. They have some awesome extracts but md powder is more economical.

      4. ashley

        where do you get the gel caps

      5. Mike

        I’m trying to use kratom for pain. Is Bali the best? What dose, and where to buy?

        I bought online from kraken kratom… Got the 750 mg tablets.

        Do to have a better suggestion for potency and cost?

        I’m 235 lb. male

      6. Nicole Cox

        Hi I’m researching kramton u said Bali is the best for pain…does it help with energy? And where can I get it?

        1. Nicole Cox

          Ooops kratom

      7. Rachel

        Hi, I would like to know where you purchase the gel caps from…? Thank you.

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      8. Jeremiah

        Hey my name is Jeremiah. I’m looking for a good online kratom vendor. It cost way to much money in the smoke shops. If you can help me out I would really appreciate it.

      9. Amy J

        please email me. I would love to know which vendor you use and trust for consistent quality. Thanks!

        1. Diana Lynch

          Hi there I was reading all the posts about the Kratom. And I see you know a good vender to get it from was wondering if you could share with me as well as I’m looking to find a good reputable place that sells the real deal. Thank you so much and hope to hear back.

        2. Sandy Thompson

          I’m new to Kratom. I pay $8.00 an ounce. How does this compare with what you are paying? I buy the Red Borneo Powder from a Kratom only shop

    8. Bryce Banxx

      I would def try red maeng da or the the green. Red is for pain and green is for some pain and some energy.
      I am 13 days clean from heroin. Straight up, the kratom didn’t help at all for me the first 5 days but after I went through the worst of it the kratom has def helped.. I use a heaping one n a half teaspoon in a smoothie with ok, helps immensely now

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