Please be aware that the below charts reflect estimates and not exact measurements consistent across all kratom vendors. While it is recommended that you buy a scale to correctly measure your kratom, these charts offer support for those who are unable to do so.

When measuring an extract, we strongly recommend purchasing a small digital scale as they often have a significantly higher degree of variability.

Average Powdered Leaf
MEASUREMENTOUNCES
1 gram0.035 ounces
50 grams1.75 ounces
100 grams3.5 ounces
Crushed Leaf
MEASUREMENTGRAMS
1 Tablespoon2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon.9 grams
000 Capsule 0.70 – 1 gram
Bali Powder
MEASUREMENTGRAMS
1 Tablespoon6.2 grams
1 Teaspoon2.3 grams
000 Capsule 0.75 – 1 gram
Maeng Da Powder
MEASUREMENTGRAMS
1 Tablespoon7 grams
1 Teaspoon2.6 grams
Crushed Leaf
MEASUREMENTGRAMS
1 Tablespoon2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon.9 grams
Green Malay Powder
MEASUREMENTGRAMS
1 Tablespoon6.9 grams
1 Teaspoon2.4 grams

Extract Capsule Conversion (00 Capsules)
Extract00 Capsule DosageEquivalent Powdered Leaf
Gold Reserve Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram 7-8 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Indo Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram 6-8 grams Powdered Leaf
ISOL-8 Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram 6-7 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Maeng Da Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram 6-8 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Red Kali Extract Capsule 1 cap = approx. 5 gram 6-8 grams Powdered Leaf

This Post Has 1,400 Comments

  1. Kratom

    Just get a scale! Its the best and easiest way. For under $10 you know what you’re getting accurately instead of measuring out with a teaspoon and table spoons which are almost always off. Just my two cents…

    1. Elliot

      it is more convenient though

      1. Helpful Passenger

        Almost all kratom weigh significantly more or less than others. Getting a stronger kratom that is strong enough to take half or less than a half a dose, then take your normal dose and you with think that kratom is way stronger, or too strong. It is a terrible idea to measure powder. If you could fit in 100 lb Basket of potatoes does that make you 100 lbs?

        1. Dave

          How could you fit in a basket of potatoes if 100 pounds of potatoes are already inside of it?

    2. annonymous

      gemini 20 is the best or aws scale which is similar to the gemini 20 but accurate 99%.

      just get capsules already measured or buy empty 00 caps which equal 0.9 grams to 1.5 grams of kratom.

      kratom extract caps will make you take less and only need one but i recommed twice or 3 times a week or after the week of honeymoon your addicted.

  2. Melody

    I’m looking to try Kratom for my chronic pain. I’ve had so many people tell me how their lives have changed. I’m not looking for any “high”, I just want the pain to stop so I can live a normal life again. I need to know the best strain for strong pain- I have fibromyalgia, chronic degenerative joint and disc disorder, and I’ve broken my tailbone twice. So, what strain and dosage should I figure on? Currently, I’m on 20mg Oxycontin twice a day and (3) 20mg Oxycodone a day. I want to work and have a life and everyone tells I have to try Kratom.

    1. Keith Cannon

      Man da.
      I have had 3 back surgeries and live in chronic pain. Currently have 1 ruptured and 2 slipped and heavily compressed discs. I was on all manner of heavy pain Ned’s for 7 years. They were ruinin my life.
      Now I take a teaspoon of kratom.every every 3 to 8hrs.
      Definitely give it a try.
      It does work like oxycodi e so you will get constipated. ..not much way around it. You will develop a tolerance as well. Start with as low a dosage as works and go from there.
      A coffee enema at least once a month keeps body toxins in check. Good luck!

      1. Christina L Bennett

        I must disagree with you in regards to the constipation effects. Personally, we (my husband & I) find that Kratom helps to keep us regular.

      2. Linda

        Which one are you using?

    2. Carrie

      Hi, Melody. I also have fibromyalgia and degenerative disc disease (lower spine). The only remedy that alleviates my pain is kratom. I find the Red Vein Bali strain is the best for pain. I use either the leaf or powder and brew it into a tea. I don’t know how I could manage without kratom. Without it, I would be in constant pain and forced to collect disability. Best of luck to you in your search.

    3. Christina

      I began my use of Kratom just about 1 yr ago when I made the decision to discontinue use of opiates for pain control. I use 1 Tbs (6.2 gr) of Red Vein Maeng Da & it truly does work. If you use your Kratom after discontinuing your opiates it should alleviate your withdrawal all together. I hadn’t heard of Kratom until about day 3 of HORRIFIC withdrawals. I was in bed with chills, fever, diarrhea, lethargy, ached in places I didn’t even know existed, luckily a neighbor heard of my plight & sent over a couple of doses for me (don’t recall the strain). I laughed at my husband when he gave me the green fine powder & said out loud “Oh well, I’m feeling like I’m dying anyway, what’s the worst that may happen?”. Mind you I hadn’t even had the energy to shower, eat & barely drink. About 35 – 40 mins later I was out of bed, getting into the shower, cleaned my kitchen & cooked dinner! I felt “normal”. I was on very high doses of extremely strong opiates (ie: 20 mg oxycodone, 150 mcg fentanyl every 48 hrs & 20 mg of oxycontin x’2 per day. My withdrawals were pure he’ll. I’ve been using Kratom EVER since.

      I recommend you purchase the Red Vein as it has the absolute highest pain control whereas White Vein has a higher level of energy with low pain management.

      I’ll say a prayer for you. If you’re woeking to reclaim your body & your mind, thisvis the correct way to go.

      1. Tuesday

        Ive been on Fentanyl for over 14 years. I talked with my doctor and started a taper in December 2016 I’m down from 100 meg every 48 hours to 37 meg every 48 hours. It’s a struggle, but I’m pushing through. Can you please tell me how you use K. Is it in a tea form, capsule form or are you taking dry powder followed by water. I’m so ready to be off the Fentanyl it controls everything I do, because I have to ensure I have it when I need it. Any advice would be great appreciated! Good job on getting off the meds.

        1. Christina L Bennett

          There are various ways to take your dose. For my husband & I, we prefer to use a very small amount of VERY HOT water to mix our powder into a paste. With the paste I simply add about 3 oz of juice and I take it like a shot (shot of tequila for example) because Kratom tastes VERY earthy. Imagine licking the underside of your lawn mower! LOL, but it WORKS! You may also fill gel caps or buy those Japanese edible papers. However, taking it as I’ve described you feel the pain relief much quicker.

          1. JoJoFezz

            Lol it reminds me of instant green tea. Something about the smell and taste seems so similar

        2. Dee

          I mix my dose up real well in a serving of apple sauce. It makes it much more palatable. Never tried taking it any other way. I also make sure I take 1 stool softener a day with my first dose. I always keep a large bottle from the warehouse club on hand.

      2. Anne

        My situation is similar to yours and i want my mind back. Ive had 6 back surgeries in 3 years all failed and i just dont want anymore surgeries and want off of pain meds. But how do u know how much to take?

        1. Audra

          I too have chronic pain due to spinal deformity I was born with. Many operations, injections and strong opiate usage for roughly 3 years. I want to get off. Has anyone used Kratom along with opiates to help ween off?

          1. Audra

            Also, what website is the best to order from?

          2. Fred Aandreson

            With kratom, think about it as 5mg pills of “morphidone.” A new drug? No, I just made up a name. So with kratom, do the same as you would with my invented opioid morphidone. I’d take half a pill of morphidone first two times, just in case it is really really weird. Then I’d do the prescribed dose of 3 pills a day. In a few weeks, if I can’t feel any relief and don’t have side effects, I’d ask the doc to double my dosage. Well kratom is no different. Start with teaspoons of powdered leaf. The color or strain will take a month to figure out what’s best. For me, with extended (30 yrs of back pain) history of pain and opioids, I, like many people, take kratom by tablespoon (about 7 grams). I use a kilogram a month. Usually 1 tbsp every 4 to 6 hours. Last two days I’ve doubled the dose: something got worse in my lower back. As for getting off opioids, it was automatic for me: the kratom was better, and I don’t generally have withdrawal problems. I find kratom not constipative; opioids usually are. Keep a notebook for reference and to track your patterns (make notes about pain relief, for how long, dosage of whatever, repeated every 2 or 12 hrs…it’s a good habit.

        2. Christina L Bennett

          As with wanting new, start out with lesser doses & see what works for you best. I was on very strong opiates for at least 15 years so I may need more. I take a heaping TBLS of Red for pain. In the mornings I take 2 tsp of White w/2 tsp of Red, this assists on giving me some energy along with my pain relief. Take smaller doses of White (1 – 2 tsp) and a larger dose of Red (1 TBLS) when taking either 1 alone.

      3. Steve & Deb

        Everything you said sounds good but have you built up any tolerance to Kratom so far? Could you tell us how often you take it? My husband and I are on small Veterans’ pension, he’s very disabled. Can you give us any idea what kind of cost we’d be looking at if we both took it? Hope you do well on your come-back. One way or the other you’re in our prayers.

      4. Dee

        Thank you for sharing Christina. my husband is on a high dose of pain meds, about to be cut off. I’m looking for help. Thanks again, D

      5. Crystal chavers

        Christina I feel your pain,I’ve just found out about kratom.so I’m looking for the best kind to take for my pain.the pain doctor put me on methadone and hydrocodone and I am no longer seeing him cause he moved away.the new doctor wouldn’t take me without insurance so I was stuck I understand about withdrawals and I was willing to try anything thay would help with pain and withdrawals.ive been taking kratom about a month and I still haven’t figured out the kind or doses it’s like u have to just pick a dosage.it has helped tremendously.i hope everything works out for you.i don’t wanna get back on the opiates I’ve decided after a month that it helps so I don’t wanna be on them anymore.i read your comment and I connected with it.thank you

      6. Sargina Warda

        Licking a lawnmower?? LOL!!! Hysterical, yet true!! I’ve been using my Vitamix with 6 oz. of OJ and 2 tsps of white plantation. I swear, it is the same high that i get with Norco10. But OMG.. the taste! In asking the website i purchase from about it, he said it doesn’t come in caps, but he can make me some. But if there are 500 mg in 1 teaspoon, that means I’ll be taking 20 caps to = just 1 dosage of 2 teas.??? Yikes… maybe it doesn’t taste so bad after all.

        1. Stephanie Cox

          Mix it with chocolate milk ( not drink ) it needs to be milk , meaning no yoohoos ect. You can mix with spoon or shaker .. You can barely taste the kratom.

          1. Adrienne Hardison

            So true. And breathe through your mouth, not nose between gulps. Brand new to kratom. Got red and green Mang da. Trying to substitute for both pain and ADD meds. Any advise?

        2. Sandi

          Sargina Warda, I’m sure you meant normal as in no withdraw and not “high’. I don’t know anyone who gets high. threads like these are scanned looking for reasons to make kratom illegal in all states. a lot of people in chronic pain would be in a horrible position. so we should choose our words wisely. You can buy the gel capsules and a capsule filler on ebay. really cheap and fills 12 or more at a time. great for going out or every so often. 2 tsps would not be 20 caps but would still be quite a few. the acid in the OJ makes a difference and you would prob miss it. stick with licking a lawnmower LOL

      7. Shari Wilson

        Your meds were simular dosages to mine. Tapering down. Not sure if weight counts. Am 83 lbs. Starting to feel more pain. Should i wait until I am off or can I start now. I’m on 100 mcg now and down to 5 Percocet plus valium? 16 years. Cutting fentyl so far at 13 mcg a month instead of 25. So cut Percocet to 5 mg. Not sure how long Dr will let me keep them.

      8. Debbie Carter

        I am so glad I happened upon your comment I don’t know if you’re still leaving reading this site I know it’s kind of old… I have been suffering relentlessly trying to get off opiates. With our Government ruining the lives of us chronic pain patients I have been taken down from five, 30 mg oxycodone and two 60 mg extended release morphine per day, also 90 muscle relaxer‘s per day, and for my anxiety, sixty 10 mg Valium per day… everything but the pain medication was completely cold turkey taken away from me by my primary care doctor, and in the last eight months I have been weaned down to 60 Oxycodone Per month and it continues to get dropped… My body has been in constant turmoil these last months and I know they will be completely taken away from me I have four herniated disc‘s in my neck, not willing to do risky surgery in fear further complications so many lower back problems I do not want any further lower back surgeries I have peripheral neuropathy carpal tunnel syndrome degenerative disc disease, osteoarthritis, fibromyalgia, the list goes on and then there’s always those days when I have run out of medicine and go through the horrible withdrawsl… I am wanting to try this kradom… I want my life back, I have been suicidal just from getting off the benzo‘s cold turkey!!!! I been just insane about this craziness happening, my pain management doctors put me on all this medicine and now they’re not willing to do anything except just take more medicine away every month… The love of For my children, and the grandchildren I attempt to take care of are the only reason I’m still here, and haven’t done that final horrible thing. What is being done to chronic pain patients is one of the most horrible things imaginable thank you for your comforting words I’m going to try this kratom just to soon as I can!!!!! God bless you

    4. Michael Tierra

      I would suggest starting with one teaspoon once or twice a day. That’s a low dose. I use the green veined Maeng da. If this does not do it, increase by half teaspoon dose every other day. The goal is to take as little as you need. two to 4 or five teaspoons of the powder is not too much but don’t do this all at once.

      While taking Kratom gradually cut down on the other pain killing drugs until you are only taking Kratom. One man on this site describes quiting his alcohol addiction and maintaining with 12 grams of kratom a day. That’s approximately 6 teaspoons twice a day. I consider that a lot but he didn’t and was happy he could maintain with that dose. Your addiction might be quite severe and you may have to up the dose of Kratom quite a bit to overcome it. Be sure you do are not eating an inflammatory diet i.e. avoid sugar, flour products, dairy (the latter at least for awhile).

      I hope this helps. Don’t be afraid of Kratom. You want to avoid building up a tolerance to it. So you can have a Kratom free day every third or fifth day after you are over the hump.

      Let me know how this works for you.

    5. Mike Hep

      hi there im an advid herbalist with Some experience with this plant as w ll as many others,its by far the only thing thts effective in combating my rls issues,Lower back an knee pain as well as the treturous toothaches tht torture my open nerves only downside is kratoms digested very slowly and should ONLY be used in medical means not as a daily recreation.Reasons being intestinal blockages nd gastric ulcers…please use this plant respectfully cor if abused its just as damaging on the body as large amounts of alcohol or even acedaminophen for tht matter..Kratom helps ppl but if yu dnt adheed these warnings negative side effects will present themselves. one way to tell if interactions are occuring is darkened stools abdominañ pains and changes in fluidity of bowl movements (“severe constipation”) *Knowledge is Power To All In Unity As One nammestai*

  3. Chris

    I have just over 4 years of sobriety from a horrible alcohol and hydrocodone addiction. I started taking an anti depressant not long after sobriety because I was miserable. They helped a little, but I was still not myself. Last year was the first time I heard of Kratom and after weeks of research I started taking greens. Wow! I no longer need the prescriptions. Since then I have fully submitted my life to Jesus and things keep looking up for me. Praise God for giving us this wonderful plant! Genesis 1:29 “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed: to you it shall be for food.”

    1. Donna Newman

      I am 6 yrs clean n sober. And I could no longer take the constant everyday struggle of depression and motivation and lack of joy within. I go to meetings do all the 12 step stuff and own my own business, just bought a house and have my first grandbaby…..but on a daily basis I just don’t want to go on, constant feeling of hopelessness. I have know about kratom and only used it once in a very small dose. I decided I needed to do something drastic and try Kratom for my depression, and I am glad I did. It’s day 3 and I only take 1 gram a day. Considering I was a heroin addict and thought that this was no way gonna work at such a low dose. I am greatful that I have had such positive results from it and have no desire to abuse it. I feel like I should feel!!! With a bit of joy and easy in my daily life. I thank god!!!

      1. Mike sweeny

        Good on you. Kratom ivr never tried. Will be for first time later. Trying to beat a meth & heroin addiction. How many grams should I start with, it’s powder form and I plan just chalk swallowing with water. Any advice, does it get you high?

        1. Christina

          No, you won’t get high from kratom, depending on which strain (Red, White, Green or Yellow) you will receive various benefits. Seeing as you’re a heroin addict I think you’d probably do well with Red Vein as it’s used for pain management & in some people you will they have a euphoric feeling. It’ll DEFINATELY alleviate your withdrawal symptoms. I also recommend that you do NOT pour powder into your mouth with a water chaser because the fine powder reacts like cinnamon. Have you ever tried to mix cinnamon with a liquid? It’s very difficult & I can imagine you breathing it into your lungs & possibly causing you some damage. I mix mine in about 1 or 2 Tbs’ of extremely hot water into a paste, then add more water, juice or soda & take it as a “shot”. It’s far easier this way, I PROMISE! I’d suggest you start with 1 Tbs (6.2 gr). Most people take a dose every 4 hrs or so hours. When you need your next dose, you WILL know. Congrats on kicking the trash you’ve allowed your body & mind to crave. You CAN DO THIS!! 😁 Take care & God bless you.

        2. melissa miller

          I’ve been taking kratom for years now. I’ve been able to stay sober this wAy. I would definitely recommend taking the capsules. The powder is nasty. If you can’t swallow capsules then put the powder in applesauce. I personally prefer the Bali strain. I take 10 to 15 capsules at a time. I’ve built a tolerance for it and feel awful when I don’t have it! So beware!

    2. Not amoron

      You are an absolute moron.

    3. Gigi

      God Bless You! Interesting to me that you used the Biblical reference. I just started Krantom today in search of a healthier opportunity than Suboxone to keep my sobriety up. I was prescribed opiates for years, and once I saw the dangers I no longer wanted to rely on them to relieve my Chiari (brainstem herniation) symptoms. So, I asked to be put on Suboxone because the internet tries to scare anyone considering Krantom for opiate withdrawal it seemed to me. However, I don’t want to rely on opiates at all, and while mutes with Naloxone, Suboxone is a very strong
      Opioid. As of today, I’ve prayed that Our Father keep me safe and healthy through this journey to rid myself of opiods… Period. In any event, please keep me in your prayers and know your post seemed to be an affirmation for me that I’m doing a Good Thing. ☺️

    4. Frater Raoul

      Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law.
      I’d rather hang onto The most epic force in the universe (mans will) than hand it over to some evil absent tyrant masquerading as an omnipresent savior.
      93/93

    5. Frater Raoul

      “The only sin is restriction”
      “The mystery of the letters is done and I want to go on to a holier place”
      “I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men”
      “Curse them, curse them, curse them”
      “With my hawks head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross
      I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed and blind him
      With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, mongol and din
      Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds
      Let Mary inviolate be torn upon the wheels for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you

  4. Paul

    I’m taking 12 capsules of Maeng da and it has no real effect on me. How many grams are in each capsule??i but it at a vape shop

    1. Daniel

      If you bought them at a vape shop chances are it’s bunk Kratom. Buy from an online conmercial Keaton vendor, usually the first ones to pop up on the search engine are the best or most popular

    2. tom

      I buy mine online,I take about 4 grams at a time,if your looking to get high like with percs,it won’t happen,it works to relieve
      pain pill withdrawal symptoms,but I haven’t found that any gets you high

      1. Dude

        Tom I have to say I disagree. There is definitely a high to be had. It comes at much higher doses for me at least. 12 + grams. I did 30 grams due to accidental measuring without a scale and when I weighed the rest of my bag when I got home I was kind of freaked out and definitely high.

        1. Helene

          I would suggest that if you take 30 grams you will get violently ill. And saying it gets you high at high doses is just adding fuel to the fire of the dea trying to make it illegal. So many of us rely on Kratom for so many illnesses. Taking it to try to get high is just gonna make you sick.

    3. Cathy

      One capsule equals half a gram.

    4. Olivia

      Usually there is .2-.5 in each capsule

    5. Christina

      Are you taking Red, White Green or Red? If you’re taking White, you’re probably taking too much. Oddly, smaller doses (2 tsp) of White works better re energy whereas with Red you probably want to take 1 Tbs (6.3 gr) for pain control. Also, as they stated below, Smoke Shop Kratom could be of lesser quality, not 100% pure & could’ve been on a shelf for who knows how long. I buy mine straight from a farmer in Indonesia & it’s VERY good, fresh & pure.

      You will not get a high. Some people experience euphoria (mainly Red), high energy (White). It’s also great for folks who have made a conscience effort to discontinue opiates (whether it be off of illegal drugs or deciding you want your life back from the meds your doctor prescribe you for pain control).

      If you wish to buy, I recommend you search online. I don’t know if we are allowed to recommend places to purchase it, otherwise I do have some vendors to suggest you check out.

      1. Mona Seering

        Please help me with an ordering source. I’m older, no rotator cuff for 20 yrs. Broke femur off hip, spent time in nursing home, now at home in bed. Was taking prescription meds, and cannot tolerate. Please, I want to walk again, they say I have arthritis so bad I need hip replacements, shoulder replacement…But 18 failed surgeries, I can’t take any more. They lie. What do you have to lose? Dr asks. My right arm, or my life, I reply, this is my fear. they say, oh that won’t happen!
        I reply, ” put that in writing.”
        No, I can’t do that he says. Get certified letter stating will only perform emergency surgery on me ….I’m seriously done with the MD system of corruption, pain inducing and leaving you with painful damage for a life of pain.

        1. Marsha

          Hi Mona. I know this is an old post and it appears we’re on a similar track, although yours sounds far more severe. I am 68, 2 back surgeries, steroid injections, nerve ablation etc. Tried everything under the sun and then read about Kratom. Have been using about 2 grams of Maeng Da White Vein, twice a day and I weigh 110 lbs. It really helps with my pain but now I’m worried about the addictive properties and am reading all I can on the subject. Hope you have experienced relief since your post :))

        2. Evan

          Mona, I know your pain. I was put through 4 unnecessary back surgeries because of my insurance. I finally got the right one, a spinal fusion, and it helped with the nerve issue, however, I have permanent post op pain due to too many operations in the same area. I’m 35 and I move like a 90yr old. I’ve been on pain meds since I was 13 due to several other operations. Its a vicious cycle and I’ve been using kratom for a week now. Of course it’s not a 100% cure, but it does help with my pain about 70% and with withdrawal. I wish you the best of luck!

  5. Ezee

    I need some help understanding if I’ve been ripped off. I bought from what I thought might be a reputable site after much research for over a year. I’m currently in withdrawal from opiates 5-10 20mg oxy a day at least. I don’t yet have a scale..Last time I took about 4 tsp of Bali with no effect…Once before that 4 tsp meng da also nothing. I just took a full tablespoon. Idk how I did it parachuting without puking but it’s been 30 mins and still nothing. Do I keep going up? How does anyone take this much? I tried capping but it took so ooo long. Even if this does work how would I swallow upward of a tablespoon a day?! Should I quit while I’m ahead? I would cold turkey but I need to take care of my child 😩

    1. Jenna

      Keep going, That happened to me also. I would take 3 teaspoons every 3-4 hours and sometimes it would be my third dose that would hit. If you have more strains, then keep trying dif one every dose and one will hit. There’s a lot of factors involved, but don’t quit. I’m in ur situation as well and I almost gave up because I didn’t feel anything, but patience is key. Start at 3tsp. Red strains are best for pain.

      Hang in there and you’ll find your “sweet spot”

      God bless u

    2. Zona

      I had tried kratom before to no great effect but it took awhile for me to find the right strains. Everybody is different, so the right strain for me might not work for you. I don’t know enough about extracts to suggest one to you, but my advice is to switch strains/vendors. It does work eventually! Good luck to ya

    3. Netter

      Hi. You should feel some kind of relief from that amount. You might have gotten bad Kratom. I would recommend sticking to reds and taking it with grapefruit juice. Makes it kick in faster. Drop the powder in your mouth and drink some juice. Don’t inhale, powder going down your throat is not fun!!! Good luck!!!

    4. Eric Pierce

      Every Vendor has different quality kratom, I’ve done 20 grams of some vendors kratom to get desired effects while another vendor I only need 4 to 6 grams. Stop taking teaspoons if you feel like puking what I do is put the powder into a cup then add lemon juice and then orange juice and then drink it down you can’t even taste it. I’d say do atleast 4 tablespoons into a cup and do the orange juice and lemon juice method. If 4 is too little then go up another 2 tablespoons and keep going up until withdrawals become more manageable. if it’s too powerful lower dosage. You are already have a tolerance to kratom since it works like opioids so your going to need quite a high dose to cease withdrawals.

    5. Eric Pierce

      Also stir the kratom often or else there will be a kratom sludge on the bottom, if you get sludge at more orange juice and mix again to get the remaining amount.

    6. Marie

      I used kratom for my suboxone withdrawal. I was taking 3 or 4 8mg strips a day. That medicine builds up in the system so it took me about 2 weeks before I actually experienced kratom like it’s intended. With that said, when you are in withdrawal, you will not notice the benefits, but you will get relief from withdrawal. It knocks out about 90% of it. Stick with it. Whites for energy, reds for pain and green is in between. I continued kratom because after much research and experience, it’s been one of the best things I’ve ever discovered. Best of luck!

      1. cnote

        A friend of mine will be coming off methadone soon, what strand did you use?

    7. robin

      I use 20 grams a day, I don’t think a tablespoon would do anything for me. I use it for pain relief from fibromyalgia.

      1. Tim Cornell

        Did it help my wife has Fibromyalgia and i do to

        1. Zach

          It definitely helps

    8. Monica

      Hey hope your found a way to get the kratom to help!! I was on 150+ mL of oxy switched to Suboxone for over a year, tappered down to .5ml of the subs and than started kratom, it def helped!!! I mixed mine with orange juice or grapefruit juice to help release the Alkaloids in the kratom. And also taking it on a empty stomach, or making a tea with the kratom to release the Alkaloids. I think when using kratom for withdrawal you really need to release the Alkaloids bc our brain receptors are different than someone taking kratom without ever using opiates. I really hope this helps and your able to use the kratom I also have a 3 year old wouldn’t have been able to go cold turkey and care for her!!! Been taking kratom about a month trying to tapper off of that now, but keep your head up!!!!! The struggle to opiates is just to much and it get hold fast but by that point your almost stuck.

    9. RogerG

      You can try Japanese oblate discs, from Amazon. It is edible film, you put the extract inside and swallow it whole…

    10. toolbelt_1

      I can say I would probably start with 2 tablespoons. I was on 24 mgs of Suboxone and jumped to Kratom. I started out with 1/2 tsp and went up from there. I found that 3 tablespoons was where I stopped going through WDs and actually started to feel good again. It took another week to get my full strength back. I would also try Plantation Maeng Da as it is the most powerful I have ever taken and I have taken a lot of them so far. Maeng Da will help a lot with the morning pains and lethargy! Again depending on how many years you have used opiates will have a direct affect on your dosage of Kratom. I would start with 1 tablespoon and go up by 1/2 tablespoon until you reach your feel good dosage. Take that dosage for a few weeks and then start to taper down as it will become too much after a few weeks. It takes awhile for your body to flush out opiates, at least it did for me. I took Kratom for 3 days before I found the right dosage. One last thing, I would advise taking it in a tea or through some sort of ice cream shake if you have a good blender. The effects will kick in quicker if mixed it milk as it attaches to the milk lipids quite well. The tea is most the effective and hits you the quickest. I now use gelcaps as it find it lasts a lot longer (6-8 hours).

      1. Gigi

        Would you kind of mentor me through this process? I got capsules today and have titrated down to 4mg once a day of the Sub Strip. I am grateful you posted this, though because I took 4 caps at 1 today and didn’t really obtain withdrawal relief. I say that because the original dose of Sub I was on was 8 mg twice daily per the doc. He said I would need to be on Subs for at least a year to reset my Receptors. It has been 5 months for me and I don’t like the thought of being on yet another opioid that long when my goal was not to be on one at all. I used to take 5-10 mg Oxycodone before deciding to go on Subs. Just saw too many friends begin to abuse them and did not want that for myself. Thanks for any help you might offer as you’ve been in this position. I’m grateful to you! God bless!!

    11. David

      Ezee……I started using kratom to deal with opiate withdrawals, used opiates for years. My experience is if you already have a high tolerance to opiates you probably have with kratom as well. Also, maybe more important, do not expect the same high from kratom. It is very mild compared to opiates and may not feel anything, but, it helps keep withdrawal symptoms to a minimum or none at all. I had to use close to 20 grams of green Malay before I felt any kind of high. But BEWARE, you can certainly have some very tough withdrawal from kratom itself as I found out the hard way. Just don’t fall into the trap of taking more and more trying to get a high and next thing you know you have taken over 20 grams and setting yourself up for kratom withdrawal which is pretty bad, especially the diarrhea and depersonalization, for me any way. Used wisely, kratom is fantastic for coming off opiates!!

    12. David

      Just look at some of the dosage guides online. For me, anything over 10 grams a day is a waste and setting yourself up for kratom withdrawal. I start with about 4 grams in the morning, maybe a couple of grams around lunch and 4 grams in the evening just before dinner (take on empty stomach) and that kept withdrawals away and, as the opiates got out of my system completely, after a couple of weeks I started feeling the mild energizing effect I read about which helped with PAWS quite a bit. Just don’t fall into the addict thinking of well if I just take more the high will come!! Good luck with it!!

    13. Jim A Violette

      00 caps are almost 1 gram.so use 1 00 cap as a gram.

    14. Francisco Balaban

      Mate, if you are in acute withdrawal from 100-200mg of oxy per day it is a huge habbit. It is a vaste for you to take more than 20g of kratom powder daily. You cant just go off with the kratom.
      First of all, buy Loperamide hydrochloride (otc anti diarhoea med.) and use at minimum 40mg in the morning and 40mg for the night. After the week of usage go down with loperamide and add a kratom TEA. If you nead to take big amounts letś make a brew!
      Take to the pot all your daily dose of kratom (max 50-60 g) add 700ml of wather and boil it for 30 min. with a few spoons of grapefruit or orange. Then stir properly (the plant stuff can make you also feel nauseous), devide in 4 doses and drink every 4-6hours.
      Peace 🙂

    15. tom

      depends on the type,Meng da is supposed to be one of the better ones,is what I use,if you use it to get high it won’t work , it should work to alleviate your withdrawal symptoms,it is the only thing that worked for me.

    16. Cindy Coffman

      Your taking too much Jess us more might not do well with those strains 2teas should be enough to keep the withdrawals and pain at bay. Without knowing exactly where and what you got idk how to exactly answer but do know you are taking too much surprised that you haven’t gotten the wobbles or nauseated from the amounts makes me maybe think you got a bad batch it does happen if looking for same effect as opiates you not going to get it not going to happen just feels normal

    17. Clay

      Take more. I’ve heard that you can get physically addicted, but after quitting suboxone and alcohol I haven’t noticed any addiction to kratom. With kratom, you need to take more at first. After a while you won’t need as much and you will be content without being “messed up “.You will feel fine with no desire to do any drugs. Stick with it and please don’t relapse back to drugs.

    18. JoJoFezz

      It helps! Like someone said it won’t be your silver bullet but it helps tremendously. I can’t get past the taste but I parachute myself. Try toss and wash with orange or white grapefruit juice

  6. Kriie S Rivas

    I have just started researching Kratom. Has anyone tried it for arthritis pain? What strain would I use, and how much? I’m 5’3″, 150# woman. Any advice would be appreciated.

    1. Jenna

      Red strains are best for pain, in my opinion. My other advice is watch a ton of youtube videos. I liked the 2 young men on Kratompedia. They have a lot of helpful advice.

    2. Bobbi

      Hi Kriie,
      I’m no expert by any means, but I find that mixing any green strain with a red one is the best for arthritis. The red is good for the pain, while the green helps with the fatigue associated with the arthritis.

      The best green I’ve had is green malay otherwise called Malaysian, and the best red is red Kapuas.
      As far as how much, a lot depends on if you have been taking any opiate pain medication, and how you usually tolerate meds. For instance my friend is much taller and weighs a lot more than I do, yet she can take one vicodin and almost pass out where I can take one and not even notice the effects. So start low dose maybe 2 grams, see what you feel and work your way up. I’m in my 7th month and still experimenting worth different strains and doseages,but so far the ones mentioned above do the best for arthritis pain and fatigue.
      Best of luck, and don’t give up! It takes Patience, trial and error but it’s worth it. 🙂

    3. Eric Pierce

      I myself do. It suffer from arthritis however I do know many who do use kratom for this purpose. You are gonna want a Red Strain which is more sedating and much more of an analgesic than other strains. But if you want a decent amount of pain relief while having energy get a green strain they are much more mild in euphoria but give nice pain reducing effects without the overwhelming sedation. I recommend Red Bentanguie, Red Sumutra, Red Bali, Red Maeng Da (Energized Red Strain) Red Thai (another energetic red) Green Malay (Balanced Pain Relief and Energy. Some say this one lasts longer) remember Greens are slightly less analgesic than red but do offer a bit of stimulation which would be good for working. If your naive to opioids I would start with 2 Tablespoons and adjust dose as needed. If you use opioid pain relievers your going to wanna start higher with about 4 tablespoons. I personally Take 4-6 grams for my desired dosage but most people measure with Tablespoons so just keep upping the dose until desired effects are achieved. Kratom does not cause respiratory depression so it is a safe herb and you cannot die however overdose is unpleasant and will cause vomiting but atleast it isn’t lethal and less addictive than opioids however dependency is still possible seeing that I am dependent on it since I use it for bipolar and depression.

    4. Eric Pierce

      Typo * I do not suffer from arthritis but I do know people who do that use kratom

    5. Geoff

      Red Thai works great if you want to stay awake, Red Bali will work great too but is sedating.

      1. Geoff

        Start with 1 tsp and go from there.

    6. Luxie

      Hi I’ve been using it for joint pain (don’t know if it’s arthritis yet)and a torn tendon and it works quite well for me. A nurse recommended .5 grams per 25 lb. of body weight and that dosage seems perfect. Before attempting that dose I tried .5 grams total as a test.

    7. Robert Darigan

      What I am doing is taking five gelcaps of Kratom twice a day. That is more than most but I have been taking Tramadol (150mg/day) and Methadone (25mg/day) so I have a high tolerance to Narcotic Pain killers. Try the Bali maybe 2 gelcaps at a time and find your proper dosage. It helps with the pain better than the others. If you contact me Ill tell you where I get my kratom.

      1. S Nour

        I take 6 capsules of Bali twice a day (total 12 per day) for EDS and Rheumatoid Arthritis, taking this dose I do not require any pain meds. If I’m taking Tramadol 100mg twice a day, I supplement with 4 capsules of kratom twice a day. I am 5’9″ 160lbs Woman. These doses keep me functional and pain tolerable. Hope this helps.

      2. Angel

        Robert could you email me? I need advice on how much to use and how much to go into making my own caps. I am also on methadone and not addicted, but dependent due to chronic severe pain. Id appreciate any insight you have. Thank you. [email protected]

        1. Daffy

          Im also on methadone for dependency and chronic pain and wanted to know if i can take kratom while taking methadone? Also take prozac and gabapentin.

      3. Steve

        Hi. I was reading your post. Just wondered where you buy kratom. And what strains do you recommend for energy? There sure are a lot of shady looking sellers on line. Thanks!!

        1. James Kotak

          My experiences have all been unbelievable with Relax Remedy/Awaken Relaxation (2 different sites but the same company). I highly recommend their Kratom and Kanna. It’s been my first year trying Kratom, and I can take as little as 500mg and feel remarkable stimulant and/or analgesic effects from their Maeng Da, White Summatran, and Green Malay. I still haven’t tried the rest, but have 5g samplers of each and will have tried them all by the end of August! With RR’s products, I find that I am taking as little as 1/5 the amount others are taking of other sellers’ products, and I’m getting the same effects. I hear the exact same thing from countless others who make RR their only destination for ordering Kratom. I am very sensitive to it, however, so that is definitely a factor. But the strength and quality are always consistent in my experienced (4 orders so far).

          I am not in any way affiliated with the above websites; I am simply a VERY satisfied (and amazed!) customer who highly recommends their products based solely on my own experiences with them.

          MUST TAKE ON EMPTY STOMACH THOUGH! If I take 500-1000mg before my first meal of the day, I always start to feel the effects in about 28 minutes. However, if I eat lunch and then wait 4 or 5 hours and take the same amount of Kratom, it always takes between 45 and 90 min. to start to feel the effects. So when they say “on an empty stomach”, they MEAN “on an EMPTY stomach.”

          Good luck!

          1. Troy N

            Yeah relax remedy is the best I’ve ever used. Although you can’t go wrong with them, I suggest maeng da as the most potent. If you don’t like that then any red vein. They have some awesome extracts but md powder is more economical.

      4. ashley

        where do you get the gel caps

      5. Mike

        I’m trying to use kratom for pain. Is Bali the best? What dose, and where to buy?

        I bought online from kraken kratom… Got the 750 mg tablets.

        Do to have a better suggestion for potency and cost?

        I’m 235 lb. male

      6. Nicole Cox

        Hi I’m researching kramton u said Bali is the best for pain…does it help with energy? And where can I get it?

        1. Nicole Cox

          Ooops kratom

      7. Rachel

        Hi, I would like to know where you purchase the gel caps from…? Thank you.

        1. lady

          amazon.

      8. Jeremiah

        Hey my name is Jeremiah. I’m looking for a good online kratom vendor. It cost way to much money in the smoke shops. If you can help me out I would really appreciate it.

      9. Amy J

        Robert,
        please email me. I would love to know which vendor you use and trust for consistent quality. Thanks!

        1. Diana Lynch

          Hi there I was reading all the posts about the Kratom. And I see you know a good vender to get it from was wondering if you could share with me as well as I’m looking to find a good reputable place that sells the real deal. Thank you so much and hope to hear back.

        2. Sandy Thompson

          I’m new to Kratom. I pay $8.00 an ounce. How does this compare with what you are paying? I buy the Red Borneo Powder from a Kratom only shop

    8. Bryce Banxx

      I would def try red maeng da or the the green. Red is for pain and green is for some pain and some energy.
      I am 13 days clean from heroin. Straight up, the kratom didn’t help at all for me the first 5 days but after I went through the worst of it the kratom has def helped.. I use a heaping one n a half teaspoon in a smoothie with ok, helps immensely now

  7. TERI

    Hi I am currently coming off of Alcohol for a very long time.
    I would like to use Kratom in the evenings to help with my cravings so I don’t relapse until I have a better hang of life without booze. I ordered some red bali. it hasn’t arrived yet but what dosage would anyone recommend for evening or do I start earlier?. I am female, 5’8 and slender. Don’t know if that makes a difference. Also is it better on empty stomach?
    Any help would be SO appreciated.

    1. Kristin

      Hi there! First off, gratz on quitting the booze! I am a year off it and if it weren’t for kratom, I doubt I would have succeeded. My favorite types are the white and red veined Maeng Da for energy, and the yellow for when I just want to smile. I take exactly 1 tsp of the MD about 30 min to an hour after waking up on an empty stomach and then eating about 45 min to an hour afterwards. I’ll take a half tsp of the slower vein (like the yellow) about 6-8 hours later and I’m good to go! No booze for over a year doing it this way. At first the withdrawals were almost unbearable, so give yourself time to be completely unsociable and just watch tv or play Big Fish games until you start feeling like you can socialize again without feeling completely awkward, clumsy or just plain grouchy af. Stay away from hard drinking friends and family until you have a good grip on it! AA was a complete fail for me, because I’m NOT religious and very much an introvert. Make sure you find a trusted vendor with quality kratom and you will be living again in no time. Hope this helped, and good luck!

      1. Denise

        What are some great vendors. Please help.

      2. Teri

        Oh and yes AA did not work for me at all either.. NOT powerless, don’t need dogma and more guilt and shame.

      3. Dave

        I’ve used kratom for years and I’ve found out through trial and error that using teaspoons and tablespoons are not accurate measurements for powder kratom i buy kratom powder at least250grams at a time and I had to go buy a digital scale with a good scale you can get a accurate dose and is way safer for first-time or inexperienced Kratom users.

    2. Kristin Rose

      Hiya! First of all gratz on quitting the booze! I quit over a year ago and without kratom I seriously doubt I could have stopped, or stayed off of it. I take exactly 1 tsp of the white (or red) Maeng Da powder about 30 min to an hour after getting up, then a half tsp of yellow (or whatever your favorite slower strain is) about 6-8 hours later. I have been doing this every day for over a year now and in all honesty it probably saved my life. For the first few weeks all I could do was watch tv or play Big Fish games to try and help with the ungodly feelings of withdrawals, even with the help of kratom. AA did NOT work because I’m not at all religious and I’m very much the introvert. Try and steer clear of your heavy drinking friends and family, at least until you have a good grip on it. Also, make sure you find a trustworthy vendor with high quality kratom. There are 50 scammers for every honest vendor so do your research! I wish you the very best of luck and again a BIG gratz to you!!

      1. Teri

        Hi

        Thank you SO much for your nice and thoughtful reply. It’s nice to hear from someone that beat the beast 🙂
        I have been messing around with different dosages of extract from 3 different vendors.
        I think I’ve now found a good one. But Bali is definitely the only one I’ve tried that works. I also made the mistake of ordering the tea (crushed leaf) instead of the extract so I wasn’t really getting the desired results
        just massive stomach cramps and constipation (Sorry TMI) from the sheer amount I had to use.
        Was wondering what vendor you recommend? I’m traveling to Asia next month as well so worried about how I’m going to work that issue out. Congratulations on your sobriety! That gives me hope 🙂

    3. Kristin Rose

      Okay, I thought my first response was deleted, so I wrote another one. I’m not crazy, just stupid. =/

    4. Ted

      I would start with about 1.5 tsp wait about 45 minutes and see how you feel. 1.5 tsps is roughly around 5 to 6 grams

    5. Lady S

      Hi Teri,
      My advice for you is to buy a cheap kitchen scale $20 so you can weigh out the amount you’re taking. This way you know exactly how much you took and what effect you got from it. I’ve drank tea, and swallowed it toss and wash- both taste terrible so I recommended taking it in capsules. You can put powder into capsules yourself to save $ on the powder. Do take it on an empty stomach but definitely eat a snack shortly afterwards. I’ve taken too much on empty stomach and it comes right back up (very unpleasant). Maintain your food with powder throughout the day. I suggest starting off your dose with 1-2 grams and go from there. Bali is a nice one for relaxing, it’s not strong like maeng da.
      Good Luck

      1. Jana

        So, I bought OO capsules. How much does one of these capsules hold? I thought I had heard .5 grams each, but wasn’t sure it was OO size. It may have been 0 size??? Do u kknow?

  8. Monica

    Hi everyone. New to Kratom and needing some advice on dosages for Rising Phoenix Green Phoenix 600mg (if I’m correct, bottle says 1 serving is 5 caps=3000mg) capsules. Due of 9+years of chronic back pain, sciatica, and now bulging disks from a car wreck, I’ve made my way through basically every form of Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, Tramadol, Tyl. 3 & 4, and Talwin and built up a tolerance. Nowadays, my limit is 7-8 50mg Tramadol maybe 2x a day, anymore at one time would probably make me puke. Can anyone guide me in correct dosages based on my tolerance level with this brand of capsule? Thanks in advance!

    1. Derek J

      Is it the Maeng Da? That is usually a strong type. If it’s an extract then you will have to play around with the dosage to see what edges the pain away. The amount of capsules you will need will depend on the strength of the Kratom.

      The easiest and cheapest way I have found is to purchase crushed leaves use about 9-10 grams. Put it in 2.5 cups of water. Cover it and bring it to a boil for 5 minutes. let it steep for 8-10. Strain then drink. (I pour it over ice because I have a Histamine reaction to the steam. Puffy eyes scratchy throat.)

      The effects usually start in 15 minutes.

      Try this vendor. I use them. They are cheap, quick and have high quality product. They use a Venmo and facebook pay services. (which sucked until i got an account)

      Reply back and lets see how it goes.

      1. Bob Darigan

        Derek J. Could you share that vendor with me? I have been taking 25mg of Metadone for back pain and it isnt strong enough, Im hoping Kratom will help, but what kind? I bought some Bali but after taking 8 capsuls, nothing except my stomach threatening me. any helpful suggestions?

        1. Sue

          Hello! I was in an auto accident as well. I’m trying to come off of hydrocone. I have ordered from a few vendors but have not had very good results. Thank you if you can share your vendor info with me. I also just ordered FSE extract, made from 11.5 grams of Bali today. I have never tried it and can’t find anything about the dosage. Any idea? Thanks again!

      2. Michelle S

        which vendor(s) are reputable?

        Thanks!

      3. Peggy miller

        Hi Derek J could you let me know who your vendor is …….I am not having good results from head shop…… thank you

        1. Kathleen Bourque

          Enhanciosa, Acadica.

      4. Charlene Daugherty

        Hello. I just bought powdered Maeng Da from a smoke shop. I am on my 1st week of opiate withdrawals due to two lower crushed vertebrae. I had the accident that caused by broken back about 10 years ago and decided to just stop the madness of being a slave to the doctors and the fear of not having them. I know I can do this. I stopped drinking 13 years ago and I remember the hell. I’ve got to say pain Med withdrawal is bad. Can you please give me the name of a reputable online vendor? I have no idea who to use and like with everyone – I want to make sure I’m not buying something potentially dangerous and will not rip me off as well. Any guidance will be greatly appreciated

    2. David

      Hello Monica, New to Kratom Myself, !st time use about a month ago. Tried to research the different strains and their effects. my primary interest is opiate withdraw also. Got very lucky and found a local source. I’ve only used 2 strains, Yellow sumatra and and yellow vietnamese. Have not seen a lot of these strains available i was told their new. I’m 6’0″, 200lbs 57 yrs. i dose with 3 level Tsp, 2 to 3 times a day. (it was a shot in the dark actually) but it works well for me. no withdraw, no chronic pain, acute ? yes but i can handle acute. lets me know my bodies limitations. These strains are strong first couple of doses. i very much agree with moderation advice. Start with a minimal dose until you find what works for you. good luck to you.

    3. David

      Hey! On the off chance you’re reading this still. That’s too much Tramadol Bro. Anymore won’t make your puke they’ll give you seizures. I got of a 500mg Oxy a day habit a few years back, so trust me, I’m not judging. Its just that many people don’t know that a) Tramadol, while helpful because it doesn’t build a tolerance nearly as fast, is incredibly dangerous to take over the daily max of 400mg a day as it causes seizures and death. b) Tylenol in hydrocodone kills you much faster than the opiates. Tylenol is deadly AF. Not too far north of where you’re at both tram and opiates with Tylenol get real, real life threatening. Good luck continuing you’re journey back. Hardest/best thing I’ve ever done. If you slip though, try to safe safe.

  9. Tyler

    Just want to write down a couple things that may help some people looking to kratom.

    I am 25 years old, been struggling with heroin addiction since I was 19. I’ve had periods of sobriety, and have fallen off multiple times. I want to tell anyone struggling or not struggling with opiate addiction, kratom IS NOT a cure all. It can be used instead of prescription opiate medication, but beware some of the side effects of repeated kratom use can be the exact same and as unpleasant.

    If you have ever been through opiate withdrawals before, then you probably know about the agony I am speaking of. I used Kratom for months daily, and also for about a month 3 times a week and have experienced withdrawals both times. Obviously not as strong as when I was IV’ing a half gram a day, but the same restlessness, sweats, chills, etc. come into effect with kratom withdrawal.

    I think it can be beneficial as a SHORT TERM thing, but just know that kratom will cause withdrawals VERY similar to opiate withdrawals.

    Would I choose kratom over opiates? Yes.
    Would I choose sobriety over both? Yes.

    1. Bobbi

      Hi Tyler,
      Not that I totally disagree with what you’re saying, yes if you use kratom daily you will experience withdrawal, however I will disagree with the intensity of it and if you are a chronic pain sufferer, the alternative is a chemical that messes worth your brain chemistry, while kratom is a natural substance known for its healing properties.
      I would just hate for someone to be scared off and rely on what the pharmaceutical companies manufacture that almost ruined my life. Kratom just like coffee can cause withdrawal symptoms, however done properly, the weening process should anyone choose to go off is quite manageable.
      There have been times that I’ve run out due to financial issues and even though I only had a little bit left, was able to be pretty comfortable and I’m a hard core withdrawal person.
      So, just my 2 cents 😊

  10. Stephanie

    Im about to take my first dose of kratom for severe heroin withdrawals. I do about a half gram of heroin a day. How many capsules how many times a day should i take of the maeng da silver capsules?

  11. Cooper

    Hi everyone. I bought two small packages of Kratom quite some time ago and never really “got” it – no one was really talking about it, except that it helped for detoxing opiates and helped people relax and sleep.

    At that time, I knew nothing about strains, vein colors, varieties and such wide ranging costs…
    I tried it a few times when I got the packages (Both black zip lock bags with silver inside – very sturdy: 2 oz Maeng Da Leaf and the other one is a powered strain called Super Indo.): I tossed and washed – and flossed my teeth for hours!! (LOL) ; I mixed with lemonade in a water bottle and chugged; mixed with yogurt. It just wasn’t working. I must also say that I have had a medium size heroin (snorting not needles) habit since late 2012 that really started to get bad in the middle of 2013 – so figure I’ve been a dopehead for about 3.5 years or so? I’ve been reading lately that you really have to be in serious withdrawal for the kratom to work. This may have been my problem. We’ll see. This all may be for the best – get a load of why I’m doubling down:

    I have a buddy who gets not only 30mg oxys (he’s allowed one pill 6 times a day or so 180 pills/month) from his doctor, but since he admits he takes too much and such (and this really IS NOT ME), he apparently also gets to take up to NINE 10mg methadone pills per day (figure he gets a bottle of 270/month) – along with lyrica, gabentin (??) and all sorts of things. He’s an ELECTED OFFICIAL (Repub, of course). and used to sell me like 30 methadone pillls to get me through a bad week or month for 40 bucks. He’s also done straight one for one. He pays something like a $10/20 co pay because they’re generic.

    Now, since our new dealer meets us in parking lots and sometimes waits so there are 4 white people sitting in cars at a mini-mall in a mixed race (mostly african-american) area waiting for them. He chats them up and has gone into big business as of last month – he told me that he’d never raise prices on me bexause he knows I struggle just getting my dope. Last batch I bought for $50, he promised me 50 tablets. He gave me 31 and said “look, that’s less than 2 bucks a pill and well, I have so much demand now….” and I immediately chimed in with “you’ve spread yourself too thin”. Walking back into the house in the snow, I realize this guy who I’ve trusted (he’s never fucked me over until now) is an asshole who apparently doesn’t give a shit about me, but just wants to make his “coin”. That’s fine. I wish he would have been a little more up front about it. He knows I would have never given him that 50, though which is why he was playing fast and loose – I even recommended the coolest pharmacy that doesn’t fuck with you (I have a terrible benzo addiction – another story for another message board….)

    That day, though I swore never to give this man another dollar from me for being such a douchebag. One month later, I give in. I text him yesterday about getting some… He writes back kind of like a little popular schoolgirl, “well, I’ve really gottta check my inventory & see if I have enough for ME, but you’re gonna pay 3 bucks a pill how many do you think you want?” I text: “Really, what happened to our 31 for Fifty? I’ve been out of work and can’t pay that. Can we do like 25 for 50 even 20? I can guarantee you 50/month if you guarantee me at the highest, $2 a pill” He never texted back. Part of me wants to tell the drug dealers he’s squeezing in on his turf. Part of me wants to call the state in which he’s an elected official. Part of me wants to call his wife. The rest of me just needs to be calm, graceful and realize that karma is gonna get him.

    So, back to KRATOM: I’ve got 2 4oz. bags Red Borneo; 1 20oz bag RedMalay (a sample) plus those older ones (should I dump?) . And then a bunch more coming soon (4oz Red Bentuangie; 4oz Red Vein Bali; 1 oz. Yellow Vietnam; 2oz each of Red Bali, Red Horn Kali, Green Hulk and a mix called MYSTERY RELAX. I’m scared to death now more than ever about withdrawals because I have NO MORE methadone access. And it’s for the best I guess, as it’s supposed to be way worse then dope ever was, even mixed with baby laxatives LOL.

    I simmered 1tablespoon (*approx 6.5 grams?) of Red Borneo with some lemon juice and two bags of vanilla tea with 9-10oz water for about 16 minutes maybe 18, put it in a travel coffee mug (silver – like from starbucks, with the twisty black top), screwed the top on tight, and it’s in the fridge because I don’t get any more stuff until Monday and I ate the last two methadone last night and the jab i bought today will be gone in a few hours, I MAY be able to save myself a bag, but who has that willpower?

    Question: On the Kratom side of tea-making, etc. How did I do? On the Kratom side of Strain Choosing, etc. How did I do? In regards to the methadone, I’m better off with the Kratom in the long term, yes?? And finally, all in all, how do you think I’ve handled this really scary situation that now has me thinking about quitting for good. But it’s all going to come back when some family members die shortly and I am their only relative, you know?

    I dunno what to do. Even if I come off of the dope and get addicted to the Kratom. I’m not going to quit – I don’t want to quit. It doesn’t get in the way of my life – it enhances it, makes me friendlier, a harder worker and such without anxiety, fear or even drinking alcohol anymore. If this is too long and crazy, cut it down, mods. Otherwise, I thank you all for listening to/reading my story here – I thank you for your compassion and coolness in advance and will treasure and consider all reasonable (non-trolling) replies. Thanks so much!!!! Yours in the fight to keep it legal.xoxooxGC

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