Please be aware that the below charts reflect estimates and not exact measurements consistent across all kratom vendors. While it is recommended that you buy a scale to correctly measure your kratom, these charts offer support for those who are unable to do so.

When measuring an extract, we strongly recommend purchasing a small digital scale as they often have a significantly higher degree of variability.


Average Powdered Leaf
1 gram0.035 ounces
50 grams1.75 ounces
100 grams3.5 ounces
Crushed Leaf
1 Tablespoon2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon.9 grams
Bali Powder
1 Tablespoon6.2 grams
1 Teaspoon2.3 grams
Maeng Da Powder
1 Tablespoon7 grams
1 Teaspoon2.6 grams
Crushed Leaf
1 Tablespoon2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon.9 grams
Green Malay Powder
1 Tablespoon6.9 grams
1 Teaspoon2.4 grams

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  1. 43years clean now, was told years ago, if yoy don’t want to slip stay away from slippery places.

  2. I tried kratom and it just too unpredictable. Sometimes 1 gram works great with small boost in energy and mood. But other times it doesn’t work at all as if I took nothing. If I increase the dose to 2g it just makes me sleepy or dizzy for few hours.. These different effects happen whether it’s the same strain from same bag, or a different strain and batch, I can’t figure it out. Maybe kratom doesn’t work consistently for some people. I never know what to expect from a dose. It’s frustrating.

    1. I have to take 13 grams of red Bali to have any pain relieving effect.

  3. Okkk, so anyone suffering from withdrawals from medications, suffering from pain, anxiety, depression, etc… i HIGHLY recommend Gold Bali. It is by far my favorite. Its perfectly fine to take daytime or nightime. But if you want an extra energy boost, i take mine with Yellow Vietnam (Which is also amazing!!) It offers energy, but not overwhelmingly, mood boost, pain relief, etc. So the combination of the 2 are absolutely perfect for all my ailments. I also have the Red Borneo. But that one seems to make me sleepy. I dont benefit a lot from it, but i do use it sometimes to make sure my body doesnt become immune to one of my more favorite strains. I was on pain pills for years, then suboxone for years. Now i FINALLY found a natural solution to my issues. Thank god for kratom!!!!!! 💚🤗

    1. Curious on where u got the Gold? I’m new to the kratom thing. But so far it has helped me alot with a he’s n pain from work with taking other meds. N my head is very clear. Hardly any aniexty at all.

    2. I want to start on kratom but I’m so clueless. I’m currently on suboxone and wanting to get off of it. Could you please reccomend what to try first and how much? & where to buy from?

      1. You will have to find the right strain that works for you. If you use it for pain I highly recommend using reds. Some good strains are Red Maenge da and red Sumatra. Each strain is different you may react really good to one and another could give you a bit of a headache so start off small. If you can try to find different strains that will work well for you and switch them up each time you use it. For example have green one day. Then red, then a white, then a different type of red or whatever. I’d recommend you find 4 or 5 different strains to alternate. Some good ones are green Jong Kong and white Jong Kong both from lifeforcek . You can find red maenge da by looking up “herbal-salvation red maenge da” otherwise its difficult to find on the website. You might also find kratom on various coffee shop websites because it’s related to the coffee plant.

    3. hi Ashley or anyone that can help, I have been on tramadol for 10 plus years for pain in shoulder {tear , ect} I want to get off completely but cant figure out what the best kratom to take for pain and the best for energy????? been taking kratom for 2 years and love it, please help? I have no energy at all lately. thankyou

  4. So I have 3 yrs clean off of meth, alcohol heroin ECT… Except
    I newly discovered kratom which I can say has really helped with my anxiety and mood, my question is if I take this stuff for prolonged amount of time am I going to experience withdrawl its been about a month and I go one day on obe day off, I also work at a rehab, and I keep thinking do I need to change my clean date cause ive used this, is my integrity at risk, ive been battling this within cause it truly has helped with my mood and anxiety its crazy but I am also terrified to be dependent on any drug. Ive been taking 6 capsules a every other day around 4:00 pm.

    1. Kratom does not show up on a drug screen unless they are specifically looking for Kratom alkaloids, so if your drug screen does not involve Kratom don’t worry it won’t show up as a positive for opiate catagory, the amount you are taking is very low and if it is helping continue to use it in the same manner, as for taking it for a long time, anything you take for a long time will cause dependence, but Kratom in the amount you use is highly unlikely, or better to say you will most likely not have any severe withdrawals symptoms. I been taking it for over a year now, and I take about 30 grams a day spread into 7.5 grams in AM, Lunch and PM. Hope this heplped.

      1. I started low but my tolerance is built up so much I’m taking 12 to 15 grams each dose and about 5 doses in a 24 hour period.

        1. Just take a day or 2 break with no kratom.
          Sometimes a break helps with a tolerance.
          I’ve been on kratom for over 3 years and over the years a break does help.
          I sell it and use it,I swear by it .
          Good luck

      2. It actually does show up as suboxone I was in the hospital I told them I’d smoked weed and took kratom haven’t touch suboxone in years so be careful

    2. With that low of a dose only every other day you should be okay. In my opinion kratom does not mean you aren’t sober but this is subjective. I would say it’s not the same as relapsing with hard drugs at all. I think of it like caffeine, caffeine’s addictive and a drug but nobody would consider a cup of coffee a relapse. If you take kratom a lot you can experience slight withdrawal but having an off day like you do should make it so you don’t.
      Congrats on being clean! Kratom helped me SO much also.

      1. When I first read an article about Kratom it was being used in medical facilities to help with withdrawal symptoms. I started using Kratom as a substitute for my pain meds because I did not want to be addicted but have to take meds due to bulging discs in my neck and as a result I have partial tears in both of my rotator cuffs. Doctors are being so hard pressed with the opioid issue so I am allowed 3 a day. I do however feel the effects of red vein Maeng da and gold Bali kratom. Only sometimes though. It is a sleepy feeling or a medicated feeling. Either way I love both of them because I am able to substitute and don’t always have to take my pain meds everyday.

    3. Hello Ashley,

      Based on my extensive research into kratom and your past history with drug abuse I highly recommend you not use kratom. Kratom does have addiction potential. Kratom use can/will lead to dependance, tolerance and withdrawal if you stop using.

      I’ve been clean for 6 months and applaud your desire to stay clean and not be dependent on anything. With this being your goal kratom isn’t for you.

      My personal opinion formed in part by scientific research is that the comparison of kratom to coffee is a gross and dangerous comparison (I don’t think Britt or Goose wish any ill will of course! this is my opinion only)

    4. Hey there, just read your comment and I had to reply! 🙂
      Don’t at all feel bad or guilty for taking kratom being a recovered addict! I am also 16 years clean and sober and I’ve been using kratom past 2 years!

      The thing is this kratom is NOT IS NOT an opioid!!
      The chemicals within kratom attach on the receptors in the same way but do not effect them in same way say as “regular” narcotics, the addiction/ withdrawal or the respitory aspects of narcotics!!

      So NO you 100% keep your clean date and I would say to completely continue with your regimen of kratom! From what we’ve come from doing to taking a natural supplement is in no way the same!!

      And don’t believe any of the bs articles of it being an opioid!! If you do some searches on line or go to kratom sites you will understand the exact terminology and explanation behind it!!! It took me some time but once you start learning the “real” facts about the plant, you’ll be absolutely shocked as to realize how bad the FDA wants to ban it for the simple reason of not making money off it and it actually becoming a natural “healer for all ailments”!!!

      Congrats on your sobriety and keep it up.. it’s not easy some days but know that you have others that r cheering ya on!!!

      Have a good one

    5. Bro ,firstly bravo on your sobriety! Secondly, I would hardly say switching your clean date is necessary..You’re taking a God given herb for anxiety. It’s far than horrible anti-anxiety meds. Don’t get down on yourself.

  5. Hello Everyone
    I just started Kratom about a month ago. I was on oxcys for 2 years then suboxone for 10 years . I quit cold turkey from all that shit. It was a battle but got through it. Im taking kratom 2 tea spoons a day. I have the true kratom meng da brand. Feeling better from depression and mood. Thing is Im haveing a hard time staying asleep. I get 6 hours in then im up. What can I take to stay asleep. Thank You

    1. Hi John, if that is your real name. Ha just kidding. Ok, yes I have been on celexa for about 8 years now. I have been on and off several different antidepressants and anxiety meds for the past 24 years. Celexa has been the only one that truly helped me be me. I can honestly say no side effects except for a bit of weight gain due to water retention but that is only at the top does of 40mg. Also, I am a woman age 47 so you probably won’t have this problem. I also take kradom. Only about 4mg a day around 2:00 pm. I do take it almost everyday. I have been on it for almost 2 months now. I am a master at noticing any small change in me, body, mind and soul and I can say I have not had any bad reaction with the two. Side note, the kradom, I take for many reasons, the celexa helps with cronic pain, anxiety and depression but I also have other health issues that kradom takes up the slack for. Kradom also got me through withdraws from taking my celexa dose from 40 to 20 mg. I am a mom of 5 boys so I do have to throw this in there. Everyone is different. Everyone will have different experiences and effects so take it slow and if you are on celexa take it everyday same time as close as you can to the same time anyway. Remember kratom and celexa won’t “fix” anything on their own. They are tools so you can do things. Like a hammer won’t wack a nail in on its own but, put it in a persons hand and that nail will go right in with effort. Good luck.

      1. John I have taken Kratom for 8 yrs. I take the MD’s in am and noon and Red Bali at night for sedation. I take 1.5 tbl spoons for sleep. But I have never slept more than 5-6 hrs at a time for over 20 yrs. But Red’s get me to sleep. I also mix red with green md if in pain during day.

    2. Hi john ive been on demerol and percocet for sevral back issues to top it of these docs now a days just want to keep pushing different meds ok percs as needed in P.R u get demorol shots i spenx 17 years in P.R ..i got back to yje states using percocet before i knew it i was under gabapentin zoloft omerezol hydroxazin for sleep i went off gabapentin and omfg i got withdrawals like a heroin user now i cut everything and olny take kratom for sleep i take 4 meletonen 10 mg and withing 30 min im out and am able to stay asleep and also wake up at 5 or 6 am on early shifts …TRY MELETONEN START WITH 10 MG IF THAT DONT WORK JUST WORK UP THE DOSAGE OH AND WHEN IM REALLY ANXIOUS I DRINK A LAVANDA TEA JUST THE SMELL OF TE TEA AS THE BAG GOES IN THE WATER IS SOTHING HOPE THIS WORKS GOD BLESS

      1. You should absolutely not be taking that much melatonin

        1. Qfreed! I was taking truple melatonin for years recently got off it and omg the sude effects were horrible and I was pinning it in other stuff!

      2. You should always take Melatonin on an empty stomach. I take one in the morning and one at night. That is all you need. If you feel drowsy, just take it at night. I take it with a small amount of a sugary drink such as Apple Juice, Grape juice, orange, Etc. I just feel it works better with a little sugar. Take turmeric with or before your Kratum vitamin D, magnesium, krill oil/eat fish, Probiotics and fiber. Eat clean no grease. Take a nap everyday. 5-15 minutes. If you cannot take a nap, just find a quiet spot and close your eyes. Do not sleep for more than 15 minutes or you shall be groggy. Finally, GET SOME EXERCISE. REMEMBER, YOU ARE NOT ALONE!

    3. Hey buddy. I have found myself in a very similar situation. I use a small amount of valerian root during the day for anxiety and a heavier dose at night for sedation. It’s not always easy to fall asleep but when I do typically I’ll sleep a solid 7 hours. Also began brewing my own teas. You can find the herbs in bulk at a lot of different grocery stores.
      My insomnia blend:
      Lavender flower
      Passion flower
      Lemon Balm
      These are fantastic brewed together. Passion flower and skullcap have a grassy/weedy taste so I would go a little lighter on those but have fun with it. Brewing is also a fantastic evening routine. Drink 1-2 hours before bed. Avoid brewing valerian – it tastes like the smell of a horse… lol

    4. Try kava

    5. I have been an addict since age 5. No, seriously my parents put me on Ritalin. By age 15 when I took meth for the first time I thought o, ok this is just like my meds. By age 18 I was sprung on heroin. I also have done Suboxone. Sleep is always the last thing to come. But I learned if you listen to scripture being spoken it knocks you out. I got through withdrawals more times than I can count from being incarcerated and just trying to quit on my own I’m finally been clean now for a year and a half and I did it through the power of Jesus. And when is the worst and I couldn’t sleep during detox I would just say the name of Jesus over and over and over again and I get to sleep. There are also these things call binaural beats. Those seem to help a lot. if you haven’t come to know the Lord now would be a great time all you have to do is believe that Jesus died and rose again on the third day. Ask for forgiveness of your sins and repent of your sins. no one disputes whether Jesus was a man that walked this Earth everyone knows that our timeline States it before Christ after death. People just dispute his Divine qualities.if you can come to terms with the fact that he was sent by God in was God then you can believe in him then you can be free from sin.

      1. Omg…. really? Come on now…

        1. Isn’t this a Kratom site? I believe in a Higher Power, but really?

  6. Just a question, does anyone take celexa (antidepressant) with kratom? I’m in a treatment program and kratom is the only thing truly keeping me from relapsing but I was also prescribed celexa. Has anyone had any interactions taking the two? Thanks

    1. I didnt notice any adverse reactions or differences when I was taking celexa but I was also on a very low dose of celexa at the time.

    2. I take 40mg Celexa and Kratom. I have had no interactions or anything. I have been on the Celexa for about 3 years and started using Kratom one year ago. 🙂

    3. I take 40mg of Celexa also, and haven’t had any problems taking Kratom. I would like to know if anyone has had the issues I’m having with withdrawal from Fentanyl. I have trigeminal neuralgia, which causes extreme nerve pain, and was eventually prescribed 4 different pain killers to control the pain. After 2 years of taking Fentanyl bad pain killers the routine became tiring and the side effects intolerable. I began to taper off my meds and in June 2018 I had a laser procedure to alleviate much of the sporadic nerve pain. After the procedure I decreased my meds to only the Fentanyl patch, and as my doctor advised cut them into smaller pieces to slowly taper off. I had my last dose/patch 2 and a half weeks ago and the withdrawal still kicked in terribly hard, despite dosing down to a 1/4″x1/4″ size patch. I read up on Kratom and felt that trying wouldn’t hurt, and a Kratom shop just so happened to be 3 blocks from my place. The Kratom immediately helped with my withdrawal symptoms, but as the Kratom wears off, the withdrawal symptoms kick in. Although Kratom isn’t an opiate, because it works in the brain similar to one scares me. I don’t want to feel or be addicted to anything my body doesn’t need. Today begins the 3rd week of my opiate withdrawal. The symptoms aren’t as bad, I just can’t sleep longer than 3-4 hours a night, and my muscles feel sore. Kratom helps alleviate the soreness, and elevates my mood but the 3 or 4 capsules is typically take don’t have the same effect, and I’m not going to 5. I’m worried that taking Kratom could be extending the symptoms of my opiate withdrawal. Has anyone had a similar experience with using Kratom to help with opiate withdrawal, and would you suggest that I quit taking Kratom now?

      1. I withdrew from fentanyl 2yrs ago.cold.turkey…was dr. Have me on opiods…I’m trying to wean off going to use krantom…pray it works… fed up.with doctors….

        1. Jay, what has worked for most with WD’S is red bali mixed with green MD. That is what I used, but you have to find your dose. I think you are taking too little. I didn’t do capsule but used a heaping spoon of powder way back in my throat and held breath, head up and chased with mountain due. For the first week had to do this every 3 hrs. Took only red bali at night. I had no with draws.

    4. trying krantom 1/2/ tsp.going thanks

    5. Apparently neither kradom or celexa keeps me from being an airhead. I am replying to Austin no John. But hello to the both of you.

    6. Hi John, if that is your real name. Ha just kidding. Ok, yes I have been on celexa for about 8 years now. I have been on and off several different antidepressants and anxiety meds for the past 24 years. Celexa has been the only one that truly helped me be me. I can honestly say no side effects except for a bit of weight gain due to water retention but that is only at the top does of 40mg. Also, I am a woman age 47 so you probably won’t have this problem. I also take kradom. Only about 4mg a day around 2:00 pm. I do take it almost everyday. I have been on it for almost 2 months now. I am a master at noticing any small change in me, body, mind and soul and I can say I have not had any bad reaction with the two. Side note, the kradom, I take for many reasons, the celexa helps with cronic pain, anxiety and depression but I also have other health issues that kradom takes up the slack for. Kradom also got me through withdraws from taking my celexa dose from 40 to 20 mg. I am a mom of 5 boys so I do have to throw this in there. Everyone is different. Everyone will have different experiences and effects so take it slow and if you are on celexa take it everyday same time as close as you can to the same time anyway. Remember kratom and celexa won’t “fix” anything on their own. They are tools so you can do things. Like a hammer won’t wack a nail in on its own but, put it in a persons hand and that nail will go right in with effort. Good luck.

    7. Hey

  7. hello everyone.
    I am very new to kratom and have already learned so much just reading the replies. Had no idea that there could be so much variation between batches and powder variation! I needed a pain and anxiety supplement that actually works, and the one I have tried does, however I do end up violently retching after about 1.5 hrs. I am already taking a very small dose (by measurement, not weight), just wondering if experienced folks keep at it or just stop taking it. Is there any chance of organ damage from kratom use? Thanks all

    1. I did. Different strains/dosage amounts effect people differently. I find red and green strains help me with pain.

      1. I’m looking for kratom tho help with my husband’s pain, oxy withdrawal(mainly pain to stay of oxy) and for his anxiety.
        What strains and dosages should we start with? No scale so have to be tspns at the moment.
        We’d appreciate and are desperate for advice. He can’t keep going thru withdrawal just cuz his dr won’t write oxy. Plus, he’s in actual pain, that’s why he takes oxy.

        1. Hey ma am we take red borneo and it helps with pain and anxiety, its unreal. The powder is what we take.
          We take white mag de for energy.
          Kratom has truly changed our life.
          Hope your husband finds something.
          We go to vapor dog in new port richey they are great there.

    2. Take dramamine before hand or benadryl

    3. I just got some have not taken it yet. They said don’t take on empty stomach an try tsp of the powder first then see how that does an tomorrow take two tsp. It scares me the reviews. We are having a tea shop opening up that is serving kratom tea. I can’t imagine having a work break an be throwing up an hour or so later. I have chronic pain. They lady said try Bali kratom

      1. taking on an empty stomach makes it more effective and yes i do take on empty stomach

    4. Yes. Kratom is pretty hard on the liver. I love kratom but I take depakote so I make sure to be informed on the chemistry of any chemicals I take. Try to research before believing people that say kratom is harmless. Its not; it’s to be respected and treated like any other drug. The LD50 of Kratom is so high but sustained long term use of kratom can and will kill a person without taking that “impossible lethal dose” – which is more of guideline. Everybody’s chemistry is different. You can die from kratom from tachycardia or closed airways at high doses before reaching LD50. Just like the famously huge misconception by cannabis lovers like myself, that you cant OD on marijuana. BS. Yes you can. Hash, hash oil or edibled kills people all the time but nobody wants to accept or admit that. I’ve been on my death bed several times due to cannabis overdose and near heary failure. A drug is a drug… is a drug. Remember that.

      1. Cannabis hasn’t killed anyone in 5000 years

      2. lol pot doesn’t kill ppl… you mentioned hash and hash oil….duh… but not smoking joints. Don’t try and cloud the water with cannabis kills… anything can kill if abused… strictly smoking pot wont kill you…. some idiots lol

      3. David, my personal experience with Kratom has been a positive one. I started about 6 months ago in effort to help me quit taking Vicodin (recreationally). I found that I didn’t have nearly as intense cravings for Vicodin as I normally did when I ran out. Currently I take 12 to 13 grams a day. 6 or 6.5 In the morning and 6 or 6.5 in the afternoon (no less than 6 hours from previous dose). About 1 month ago, I thought I’d experiment with quitting cold turkey to see if I would experience any withdrawal symptoms and to my surprise, it felt pretty much the same as quitting coffee. I’m not sure if I’m an anomaly but that’s my personal experience for what it’s worth.

        1. If you dont mind me asking, what strains did you use? I’m trying to get off norcos myself but have no idea what dosage/strain to use. Thanks in advance

        2. I’m trying to figure out how do I convert grams to Tablespoons. I don’t know how much to take, and not sure what to compare a gram to?

      4. No you can’t die from a lower than lethal dose. Seriously? You can make yourself sick and or groggy which will cause you to vomit up what you took and go to sleep.

      5. David,
        I call bullshit!

  8. I take 2 mg of Klonopin after I get off at work around 6 PM. It’s getting more difficult to get a doctors prescription Because some doctors require that I go see a therapist for treatment and the therapist calls the doctor to approve of him writing a prescription. However it is difficult to get to the doctor and therapist because I work Monday through Friday 6 AM to 6 PM. Klonopin is fantastic, And it’s helped me deal with severe anxiety for the past five years. There are times where I can skip a day but recently I depend on it. I am new to Kratom And just bought a little bit from a store and although the guy was really knowledgeable, I’m trying to find the best substitute for Klonopin While on between prescriptions. Does anyone have advice on the best Kratom For severe anxiety that’s not going to have serious side effects?
    Today I bought green Indo, white Bali, and green Borneo. Haven’t taken them yet

    1. I’ve been suffering from chronic bed is ready and depression or four years. I started taking indo and I was able to leave the house finally. I highly recommend it for depression. Just be aware that it is very addicting but won’t kill you

      1. How much did you start with? Thanks

    2. Hi Paul,

      I’ve been talking kratom for a few months, and I honestly don’t feel much of a difference between the different colors, BUT they all work. The key is to alternate the strains (ex: Monday take White kratom. Tuesday take Green kratom, etc….) Doing this will ensure you don’t develop tolerance to any one strain…. Get as many different kinds as you can and alternate. I’ve found the Red strains are the best for relaxation, euphoria, etc…. But ALL of them will make you feel good. I suggest trying as many different ones as possible. Take on empty stomach if you can. Start with 1 teaspoonful to start. Actually 1-2 teaspoonful is ok. If you have any other questions, please ask..


      1. I was told it will make you sick to stomach if you take it on empty stomach from the lady i bought it from.

      2. Hi everyone, I have been researching Kratom for suboxone withdrawal for about a year, I finally made the decision a couple wks ago, tapered down to .5 mlg of suboxone a day about a wk ago and have not taken any in 3 days, I’m taking the Kratom- it is making me sick when I drink it but it is helping me continue on with my life and not allow the withdrawals to take control, I also take .5 mlgrms of ativan a day I’m prescribed 2 a day but only take one as well as 5 mlgrms of ambien a night, I’m sending my husband to get me double zero caps today so that I can take it easier without it coming back up, that’s my scenario, my question is how many double zero caps is safe with what I’m taking & prevent the horrible withdrawals from kicking in? I took my last dose yesterday at 5pm and I went to bed at 10pm woke up at 2:40 feeling like I was gonna come out of my skin & I had leg cramps- I went and bought the vitamins for restless leg syndrome today I just dont want to go through that feeling again, I took a tablespoon of Kratom and was back asleep by 3:20 & I woke up at 6:30 to take my kids to school without any withdrawals

      3. That’s where I’m messed up I stayed on one strain too long an became dependent. Now I’m trying to figure out how to fix it. I tried to quit cold turkey but the restless leg syndrome was horrible and it took me into a severe depression. After 4 days of not being able to sleep I started taking it Again. I use to be on opiates and this is far better than being on opiates and way cheaper! I just hate lockdown drugs! drugs that cause me to have withdrawals if I don’t have them.

    3. Lmao you just sound super addicted to klonopin saying all that trying to justify. Just quit before your too deep in

      1. Hahahaha shut it. If it works for him who are you to talk Shit!!

        1. I researched klonopin it is so addictive it only takes a few days to become depended on it I was prescribed it and it scared me so bad that I would only take it like 2 or 3 days in a row.those doctors have to know how addictive this crap is.

      2. I think u r don’t know what your talking about,u must not deL with anxiety,if u don’t have can’t understand it leave off when u don’t understand u r in a forum for Pray on which is against the law in some states, let’s us know when u get your M.D. and therapist license

    4. I also take klonopins for PTSD & anxiety I find that Red Vien Kali is superb. It typically switch from Red Vien Kali, Bali, Red Vien Thai & Red Dragon I typically always got for Red Viens. Switching helps you not get used to certain strains I do a few days of one and switch. But this is my opinion maybe you can try and see how you feel. Extracts I typically go for reds and Indo and Super Indo black. I add to powder so enhance the sedation and euphoria. There’s some good literature on Kratom. Very informative.

    5. I understand completely with the doctor situation. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t recommend cannabis nor kratom for anxiety. Kratom is not going to stop anything like a panic attack or severe anxiety like a benzodiazepine (Klonopin). The red strains are more sedating and have higher concentrations of active alkaloids you could try though.

    6. Kratom might help with the anxiety if it wasn’t being directly caused by klonopin withdrawal, but it won’t help with the physical risks which is what you should mainly be concerned about after 5 years on it.
      The package insert for klonopin says this, and they mean it:

      “What is the most important information I should know about KLONOPIN?

      Do not stop taking KLONOPIN without first talking to your healthcare provider. Stopping KLONOPIN suddenly can cause serious problems.

      Do not stop KLONOPIN without first talking to a healthcare provider. Stopping KLONOPIN suddenly can cause serious problems. Stopping KLONOPIN suddenly can cause seizures that will not stop (status epilepticus). ”

      Keep in mind the package insert for fentanyl only talks about reducing dosage slowly to avoid unpleasant symptoms, no mention of a potentially lethal chain-seizure… just to put the dangers of benzo withdrawal in perspective.

    7. Paul ,hi I too take klonopin 2mg per night. Please don’t try to substitute kratom for it. It’s a whole different kind animal. If you want to get off klonopin or any benzos, you will have titrate down .05 mgs at time. So you would take 1 and 1 or a 95th of pill ,maybe you are lucky and can take away 1/4 but beware and cautiously read all you can, benzos are dangerous drugs to come off of. You should consider consulting with your doctor he or she will have a great understanding how to do this. I don’t want you to suffer from this harmful drug. Good luck with your journey! And if anyone has any questions about benzos just post i will reply.

  9. I am a nurse and work on a unit that gives lots of pain killers. Tramadol is not very strong. But yes in high doses, above 250mg, it can induce seizure activity. Just the tramadol alone.

    1. Tracie,
      I have experienced this! I was on tramadol for quite awhile for a back injury and developed seizures so I ended up on narcotics of course. Just started Kratom and in hope that it helps so I can get off of morphine.

  10. Just to clear one thing up. No one should be telling someone to down a table spoon of kratom. Because there is no way of knowing how much Mitragyna speciosa (one of the main alkaloids in the plant) each batch of kratom actually contains. I’ve been using, researching and growing the plants for over 10 years. And over that time I’ve learned you can’t treat one batch of kratom like your last batch. I’ve taking as much as 15 “000” capsules and barely felt it. Then again I’ve taken 1/2 teaspoon of kratom from another batch same strain, vein color and vendor at the time. Which made me vomit for about 3 hours. Kratom is a completely safe botanical to use. But never assume one amount from one batch will be the same in the next. Also the strain and vein color might be the same. But you should also know what they don’t tell you. Such as drying process. are the leaves fermented or not? Fermented kratom is 13 times stronger then morphine. Also never assume the same batch has the same amount of Mitragyna speciosa or any of the as much as the other 25 compounds found in kratom. Unless your have a advance degree in chemistry and a fully equipped laboratory you will have no way of knowing how much of these compounds you are consuming. You just know someone on the internet told you to take 1 full tablespoon. Not even knowing your weight, age or tolorence. So always start low and go from there. The incredibly potent alkaloid, 7-hydroxymitragynine is 13 times higher analgesic potency than morphine and 46 folds higher than standard mitragynine. Red is sedative and a relaxed vein that can produce opioid effects. It is a euphoric color, and also famous for pain relief and relaxation of all kinds.They have high levels of 7-hydroxymitragynine than average kratom, an alkaloid associated with analgesia and stress relief. You must also remember that Everyone has unique biochemistry. Some people are more resistance to some strains more than others.

    1. Well said. I have done loads of research myself and agree with everything you stated. Especially about people having different biochemistry. I went through the pain pill debacle a few times, two knee surgeries, etc.. it got bad. Today I take Bali Gold, Bumblebee Brand. Combined with ibuprofen my knee pain is manageable. This particular strain also helps me with anxiety. It generally lifts my mood but not in a crazy euphoric sort of way. Also, if I stop taking it I feel ok. Unlike stopping antidepressants or pain meds. Kratom is a great alternative for me to pharmaceuticals and I have been taking it regularly for over a year. But that’s just me. Kratom does help me with some pretty intense pain and anxiety, but it is not necessarily a cure all for either issue as they are multifaceted. Walking my dog is a better treatment for anxiety than any of the 15 different antidepressants I have ever taken. Someone mentioned lack of sleep. Something I am intimately familiar with. I saw a doctor once who told me that if I dont sleep a lot every night, dont worry about it. Easier said than done, but eventually it sunk in and my concerns about how much or little I sleep have basically gone away. Today I stay pretty active and usually wear myself out. I used to believe that if I didn’t get 8 hours every night I was in trouble and going to be tired then next day. But I was only tired if I kept telling myself I was tired. Going back to biochemistry, red strains dont relax me as much as they probably do for most. It’s sort of the opposite. To anyone reading this, I completely agree with Kash, and I would seek out guidance from someone with his or her apparent knowledge when trying this stuff out. The dosing can be tricky and it took me quite a while to figure out what works for me because I didn’t have anyone to discuss it with. The places I buy my kratom have employees who actually take the stuff and from time to time we will discuss it; different brands, dosage, method of taking it, etc…

    2. You are very well versed regarding regarding Kratom I have stage 4 arthritis in both knees and my hip how much would you suggest I start out using

    3. Can you tell me the best brand that isn’t overly expensive. For my moderate to severe foot and leg pain. And how much to take this is to Kash 301

    4. On every new batch i start with 1/4 teaspoon and work my way up until it’s effective.

  11. Can I use kraton with gabapentin?what would be an acceptable dose if each and how iften?

    1. 6692589817 I’ll take a text. Any info? I was using Gabapentin to help with my sleep for a few days but realized, because that’s not what it is used for, I cannot take it constantly. But what happens when you mix Kratom and Gabapentin? I have both 100 mg and 300 mg of the Gabapentin and I am a 29 year old female about 110 lb beginning my detox from a 3-year heroin habit. Left number above to text even! I have 750mg red bali, don’t want to “build a tolerance” to quite anything. Originally the Gabapentin was to help me sleep but I realized I cannot take it everyday or it won’t work for sleep, just wondering what happens when you mix it with the kratom.

      1. I used both in small doses to get thru off and on suboxone use even tho I kicked herion 3 years ago .. and well.. it was safe and pretty helpful

        1. Subs are great for coming off of pain meds- what strains you used for withdrawals? Thanks

      2. I would strongly suggest that you first read experiential reviews on Gabapentin. I suffer from Major depression, and painful arthritis in my lower back. It is a tightrope I navigate, concerning medicine, treating without interactions. Doctor started me on Gabapentin in an effort to get me off Vicodin, which I had successfully taken for almost 10 years. No overdoses, no problems, just RELIEF with the Vicodin. Gabapentin slows the synapses in your brain, along with producing nasty side effects and even personality changes. It took me one absolutely hideous month of withdrawals. Worse than any medication I have ever been on. Every bad feeling you could imagine and relentless. I thought I was not going to make it. Read the hundreds, possibly thousands of neg reviews. There are personal horror stories and they are not hard to find. Withdrawal consisted of sweating, no sleep, nausea, headache, vomiting and all manner of digestive distress, anxiety, depression, I could go on and on. Honestly. It is poison. Go off it slowly. Very slowly, reducing your dosage 100mg a week until you are off. My husband dislocated his shoulder before I knew that the Gabapentin was making me sick. He was not himself at all. He would have outbursts of rage, which nearly ended our almost 30 yr marriage at the time. He titrated down slowly as well. We will not go near the stuff. Please, believe me. If you are on a low dose, go off as soon as you can. High dose? Be slow and careful. It will not be pretty but you WILL get through it. Do that first, then consider Kratom. Gabapentin affects you in ways that others close to you can see, but those of which you can be unaware. Rage. Irritability, anxiety, slowed speech and actions. Dissipation of mental capacity. Run away, but please do it safely and if your doctor doesn’t “get it,” titrate slower. Just know there is light at the end of the tunnel. Please, for the sake of all that is right and good, get off it. ASAP. Best wishes to you. Kratom works, but get rid of the poison first. Then, take the Kratom with care. It is easy to build an unhealthy tolerance pretty quickly. Used properly, it WORKS.

        1. Glad u posted this abt gabapentin. It’s dangerous!! Made me suicidal and was unable to fight it! I was on it for nerve pain and didn’t help. I have the same issues as you and Lyrica was a lifesaver. I’m new to kratom and Hope it can replace the Lyrica as well as the morphine, Baclofen and Butrans.
          I need help with serious pain, arthritis, migraines and withdrawal from those meds. Any ideas or combos i should start with?

          1. Hi I’m pretty new to kratom as well. For two years I was on heavy pain killers after I broke my spine. High dose of Dilaudid and Fentanyl. I was a shell of a human being. I quit all meds I was taking cold turkey. I heard about kratom, and it has been a lifesaver for me. I was on pain meds for two years and I quit them two years ago. I no longer need my ulcer meds as often, or ibuprofen. I was on Gabapentin too. I no longer need it. I still have pain in my spine , but since kratom, I’m more productive at work, I smile more, I sleep great. I’m also losing weight. Every three days I am losing about two pounds. After I quit pain meds cold turkey I gained a lot of weight. Kratom has helped me so much! I wouldn’t try to blend your Lyrica or Gabapentin with kratom. In fact, I would ask my doctor what could happen if you just happen to take certain meds with kratom. I’m a dental hygienist, and the doctors I work with actually recommend kratom. It’s safer than narcotics. I wish you the best of luck and I hope I was helpful. I hope you start feeling better, too. XOXO

          2. The pain killing effect is 13x stronger than morphine. Kratom also doesn’t cause respiratory depression like traditional opiates which makes it very safe.

      3. If i were u, from experience, GET OFF OF GABAPENTIN!!! If you are taking it for nerve pain(which is one reason for it) then stop and take Lyrica. I say this because while i was taking Gabapentin, it gave me serious suicidal ideations/tendencies, that i did not want!!. Never in my life have I had issues with suicide and it had me standing at the kitchen sink basically sawing at my arm with a knife, screaming for someone to please stop me because i couldn’t. Whatever reason you’re taking Gabapentin for, trust me, there is a better medication to take. I have insomnia and the best thing I have ever taken is trazodone. I can judge how much I need to take and will sleep for certain number of hours and wake up just fine, takes a couple times to get used to it. Gabapentin is a dangerous medication

        1. heya, i tried to kill myself taking lyrica, it did to me what gabapentin did to you, and it does it many people. a doctor in australia wanted to stop a study using lyrica for back pain patients because so many reported suicidal ideation: i’m glad it is helping you, but be careful when you advise others that it is safe. after less than a month on lyrica, i took 90 blood pressure pills, told no one and nearly died. never in my life had i done anything like that before. i have permanent movement disorder now and neuropathy that i did not have until lyrica caused it, along with gaining 20 lbs. there’s a facebook group called lyrica survivors for people who are trying to get off it, please suggest that so they know what they’re getting into. wishing you the best.

    2. Not sure if my first reply went through but just curious, one if these replies are working, and two, any info on that?

      1. I take 900 mg’s a day of gabapentin and use kratom on occasion in between my suboxone appt…. ive never had any ILL effects…. however that is just me…. I run out of my suboxone early sometimes because i take more then im supposed to because I have a major stomach issue (that may be related do long term suboxone use)…if u were wondering… im also the same age, and a male

      2. I take 600 mg Gabapentin daily, and there are no side effects whatsoever when taking Kratom. I’m currently taking kratom twice/day in small doses. Hope this helps!!!

  12. I was glad to read all the posts. I’m a newbie too but am totally “hooked” on Kratom. No doctor will help me with pain pills I have fibromyalgia and arthritis real bad and hurt constantly. Kratom is the only thing that helps me. My husband makes it up into pill form for me, and I take 6 to 8 “00” pills every 4 to 5 hours. It has given me my life back. I used to just sit and cry. Now I lead a normal life. ( so so😆)

    1. I have been using Kratom for over 6 months, Mostly red bali, I use it for anxiety and stress and to keep me off the booze and I will say it works, I have not been drinking. I do take a fairly high dose usually 5 teaspoons per dosage. I am getting a decent price, I can get a kilo for like 90 to 95 if I do an ach payment instead of debit or c/c. If you have a drug or drinking problem Kratom will help but you still have to put some work in, it is not a cure all. Its like vaping so you do not crave smokes but the vaping only helps and I still have cravings for smokes ast times. I just hope it stays legal as it is all ready illegal in 6 states. I hope this post helps any fellow addicts. P/O

      1. Where are you getting your Kratom?

        1. If you google where to buy, you can usually find it. I know there are several head shops that sell it in my area; in PA, the employees are not allowed to discuss anything about kratom itself, only the packaging size, price, etc. Go in with an idea of what you want; sometimes they have a book of printouts explaining each strain…… just google “where to buy kratom locally” or you can just purchase it online. do your research, it helps. Good Luck!

    2. Thank you so much Kate. I was going to ask the community what to do since I have fibromyalgia and my doctor won’t give me pain medication either. Im wondering what to do for pain and energy. I would be grateful for any information you have on what type of Kratom works for you.

      1. Robin Look into green and red strains,Red and Grteen Ma Daeng is common and known for energy and painkilling effects. Red is stronger and more sedative, possibly stronger pain killing effects as well. Green is more balanced with energy and pain killing effects. Perhaps try some of both, green for daytime use and red for bad pain episodes. Hope this helps and good luck to you!.

      2. Green maeng da!!!! I have fibro and fatigue bothers me way more than pain most days. Like can’t move or think straight fatigue. This stuff gives me focused energy, like a wide-eyed clear-headed feeling, not at all an “affected feeling” so I’m even comfortable using it before work. I use a very small dose in tea. Green bali relaxes my muscles and lets me sleep on days I can afford to. What a life saver!

      3. Hi I’m using Kratom for daily fatigue pain anxiety and depression. I like to mix it up get different kinds of strains each time. I usually do white and green together. I also have my red boreno when I run out for emergencies.

    3. What brand do you use

  13. Please go to the “Kratom for dummies page.. On facebook…not implying anyone is a dummy it’s just a great page with supportive, educated people that WANT to help you understand all about our wonderful tea we have been blessed to find. Then join other support groups connected to Kratom education.. If you have trouble finding them pm me (Laurie E. Blanton) on FB and I’ll send you links. Good luck!!

  14. I’ve recently discovered Kratom, please be careful when you’re using this so called natural product. I have been searching for a healthier way to combat my chronic pain. 40mg oxytocin extended release pills twice a day are my doctors orders. Kratom at a dose of 4 to 6 mgs does wonders for my disposition and physical relief. But beware, I mistakenly had taken 500mgs of tramadol the same day as I dosed with a high amount of kratom. I had a full blown siezure and spent the next 3 days in the hospital. DO NOT MIX the 2 or any opioid with kratom. Using kratom by itself at a dose of 4 to 6 mgs a couple times per week is your safer option. Also, if you are using welbutren, be aware this product lowers your threshold tolerance relating to seizures. High amounts of kratom along with other opioids or tramadol while on welbutren increases your chance of siezures immensely.

    1. Your seizure was caused by a high dose of tramadol. Tramadol causes seizures by itself at high doses but especially when combined with other drugs. Make sure to fully inform yourself so you don’t accidentally misinform many more people. Peace brother

      1. I have fibro and am currently on 10 mg Prozac. How does kratom interact with it?

        1. I have been on prozacfor the past 6 months 60mg a day and i use 20 grams of kratom a day the only thing ive noticed is i get tired now unless i dose high which i think tolarance is the problem after 2 years of daily use they say less is more but then why do i need more and more
          every month iam confused

      2. Thank you for writing what I was thinking. Lol

    2. It is ABSOLUTELY the Tramadol!! I keep seeing headlines and comments that vilify Kratom but when you actually read all the way through, it turns out Kratom was mixed with some potentially lethal stuff. Gee, I shot heroin, snorted coke and took 5 grams of Kratom and for some reason I almost died. Damn Kratom

      1. Hahahahahaha this is amazing 😂😂😂😂

      2. It was O-Desmethyltramadol, what tramadol breaks down into in the body.

      3. that was fuckin hilarious dude well said and nice delivery XD

    3. Tramadol caused the seizures. Not the Kratom.

    4. Please, forgive me for asking a personal question, have you had seizures before Kratom?
      I’m looking into Kratom (and everything else under the sun) as a possible alternative instead of several months on pain meds after my upcoming multi-level ACDF surgery.

    5. I’ve had seizures while taking ultram. It has little or nothing to do with kratom.

    6. I believe you meant to say “oxycontin!!?” “Oxytocin” is a drug they give women to increase contractions during laboe.

    7. Tramadol alone will cause seizures. Especially at that dosage. Stay away from tramadol and gabapentin.

    8. You didn’t accidentally take 500 mg tramadol haha just be honest

  15. Karen
    i am very new to all of this. i used kratom to get off pain meds. i have a lot of metal holding my spine together, they just took a foot of my intestine out of me, i have a feeding tube, many conditions. i have two problems. the guy i get my kratom from is charging me $110. a kilo, i live on a fixed income of less then 800.00 a month, so, it is time for me to do something for myself. the second problem i have is finding a new doctor. with all the new laws that have taken place, because of the pain pill over doses, my doctor just is not the same. i need a dr. that will listen to the patient and not let the gov. tell him or her what to do. i live in phoenix @ my pcp needs to be a internal med..if you can help me any at all, thank you.

    1. Have you found a good Dr yet. My bf is going through the same thing and we are in Phoenix as well.Dr are scared to help. Write letters to all our politicians, health dept. Whoever you can think of. Plus there are chronic pain patients groups you should check out. Ex don’t punish pain,C-50 are a couple. you all need to come together and fight this injustice. Also, Be careful with pain clinics. They are not all certified in pain management. If u found a good Dr. Let me know. My email is [email protected]

  16. Hi guys I’ve been on MS Contin and oxycodone for almost 8 years now and I want to get off I’m starting to have some difficulty with my memory and I am a 51 year old female who desperately wants to come off those meds I hate it I just recently bought the maeng da is there a 30 capsules in the package and each capsule is 0.5. Because I was scared at first I only tried one and nothing happened and then I tried 2 still nothing now I’m up to 4 or five of the 0.5.
    Unfortunately I have a super high tolerance due to cancer I had 23 surgeries my pain doctor put me on the MS Contin the oxycodone and for breakthrough painFentura I am glad to say that I do not take theFentura I haven’t in almost a year but I still have the other medication and I’m trying to find away to make the pain go away it’s hard with the capsules
    I do not mix my prescription pain drugs with the kratom I’m also an RN so I know that would be stupid but I don’t know if I have the right strand or the right dose if somebody out there could just just give me a little help between the two red theWhite the green all that stuff I really want to do this please somebody help me figure out what would be in their opinion the best to go with and if pills or powder are better I would be so grateful I’m at the end of my rope

    1. When I stopped taking subs (I was down to 1mg a day of sub), I had to take 4-6g of Kratom every 3 hours on average. That would be 8-12 of the pills if they are size “00” and each hold .5g…
      Those 30 pills (or 15g) probably won’t last you a day… Buy at least a pound from a vendor if possible.

    2. Hello,
      I have been taking Green Maeng Da powder daily for about 4 years now due to a ruptured disc I acquired during military jump school (Airborne) many years ago. I have tried to use the powder in the pill capsules in an attempt to make my Kratom use more portable and easier. However; the capsules did not work for me at all, I believe it may be something about the capsule not dissolving until it is in your intestine maybe? Anyways, I use a measured 1 teaspoon cooking spoon to “toss and wash” my kratom with my coffee , its gross , but my wife mixes hers in about 2 oz of orange juice and says it isn’t bad. My advice is to order some Green maeng da , or red bali Kratom powder online. Don’t buy capsules or small crushed leaf from a head shop or local store because it will be old and acidic tasting.When you get it,put a leveled teaspoon of kratom into a very small Tupperware container (like for sauces) with about 2 oz (2 shot glasses) of OJ and shake it up. then drink it, and chase it if needed. if that doesnt work do it again about 3 hours later. Kratom will not kill you if you take to much, it will only give you a very upset ,nauseous stomach and make you vomit.Over the years I now take 2 teaspoons at a time about 3-5 times a day depending on what my work load is. I’m a diesel mechanic by trade.

    3. Please go to the “Kratom for dummies page.. On facebook…not implying anyone is a dummy it’s just a great page with supportive, educated people that WANT to help you understand all about our wonderful tea we have been blessed to find. Then join other support groups connected to Kratom education.. If you have trouble finding them pm me (Laurie E. Blanton) on FB and I’ll send you links. Good luck!!

      1. @laurie I tried to find you but cannot!

    4. Im not an expert but it seems like for ppl with a srious opiate habit, tapering their drig of choice with kratom is the.most effective. As in start with a littke less Drug ofnchoice(DOC) than usual and a tiny bit of kratom here and there to delay usage. Then as it goes.on, lessen DOC and increase kratom. I hope that made sense to you. Btw dont use them.together but of tou wake up and use DOC for instance, wait until not feeling its effects to use kratom, then a few hours later DOC and so on.

    5. Go to reddit and search Kratom 101 and “ switching from pain pills to Kratom” tons of good stuff there.

    6. Take a tablespoon full mixed w/cup of oj
      Take it once every 12 hrs & u won’t need the opiates or even want the opiates…I’ve been done w/my opiates for 2yrs now…i took them for 15 yrs…thanks kratom

  17. cant say enough about kratom. its’ saving lives. i know many many people helped get off pills/heroin and get their life back. its going to be legal for responsible use it has to be the benefits are incredible,


    1. Well fuck me, I take way to much.

      7 grams a tablespoon? Dosing once a day, 21 grams a dose?

      Well that’s probably not good.

      1. I take 2 tablespoons at a time about 2 times a day. It’s not too much

  18. Bought some Maeng Da capsules from our local head shop. Not much info on the bottle as far as potency, dosage etc. There are 75 capsules and the label says 37.5 grams. So does that means each pill contains 0.5 grams of powder? The dude at the shop suggested 1pill 2x/day for pain (and I want to quit taking tramadol). I haven’t really noticed any pain relief. Should I take more? Or increase frequency?

    1. I personally have had to take up to 25 pills to stop the detoxing. Approx 8-9 grams at a time 2-3 times a day. Usually 2 times daily as it lasts for hours. Unless its very strong kratom which is approx.25-30 dollars for 2 pills, 1 pill isnt near enough. In 00 capsules 8 to 9 grams is quite a few pills depending on potency. It does work please dont give up. Once you have your dosage down it can be a life saver.I take 4 teaspoons of usually red and make my own capsules. Im sure everybody has their own ways of getting it down but i personally couldnt take the taste so making my own seems to work very well. Its a learning experience but well worth it and I feel stronger and healthier with kratom. It does work for detox it just takes a little more at first till you find a good amount for you. If anything and you take too much it doesnt do too much but make you a little sick and maybe have a kratom hangover the next day. I hope you dont give up, this stuff is magic.☺

    2. I think it’s not working because your not taking enough… you should start by taking about 3 grams at first, and gradually increase not to exceed 6 or 7 grams per dose. one capsule is no where near enough… good luck! Kratom is absolutely amazing!

    3. Yes. Begin taking two capsules in the morning and you should take a maximum of 5 if each contains 0.5. My dose is about 2.7 as I use maeng da for pain (I had my spine fused in January and I’m only 24 so I don’t like taking narcotic pain relievers) and I’m still going up from there. I feel like I’m going to stop at 5g. That’s 10 pills of yours. It sounds like a lot but we’re talking about plant matter, not drug extracts. And I hope you can trust me on this, I used to be a pharmacy technician and I specialized in compounding aseptic material and extracts. 🙂

    4. Yeah, divide 75 into 37. ?

      1. Chris…..thank you for the info….I just started taking the Maeng Da Kratom……I have a bottle of 150 capsules @ 0.5mg…..But no dosage info. Just today I took 11 caps…..feeling much better….I suffer with Major Depression/Anxiety Disorder and I’m treatment resistant to ALL antidepressants. I also have a lot of physical pain due to a knee replacement and many broken bones as a result of a horrible car accident (many yrs. ago) A friend recommended Kratom and I was skeptical at first, but then went for it….It’s an answer to prayer!! I’m still in the progress of researching this “LEAF OF FAITH”…..(There’s a great documentary on Netflix…’s very informative!) My late stepdad was a pharmacist and he taught me a lot. I believe we’re all going in the right direction! God bless you and everyone on this site! 😉

    5. A good does is between 2 -5 grams. But it varies for everyone. I’d start with 4 or 5 capsules if they are .5 gram capsules. Or Do somemore online research

    6. I take up to 6/7 capsules… if it doesn’t help then I usually take 2 more. Since it’s in capsule form you usually have to take more to achieve the right dosage. Just find the amount that helps you but I have friend that take up to 10 coming off suboxone.

    7. I usually take 2 tablespoons of powder kratom. For me, I would have to take 25 .05 gram capsules to equal 2 tablespoons. I have a high tolerance though

    8. I was told to take 7 pills they said that was 1 dose

    9. I’m a 59 yr old woman and was on methadone for 18 years until last summer when my doc left the clinic and I can’t find anyone else to prescribe it so had to quit and that’s when I discovered Kratom ( I used it to get off the methadone) I have fibromyalgia and got bad restless leg syndrome from quitting the methadone and it’s not going away ( been 2 months so far) , so can’t sleep without the Kratom and even that’s in 4 hours at a time ( the drugs for RLS don’t work on me and make it way worse) I’d use one of the red vein like red vein Bali because the reds are better for pain. I bought some 000 size gel as and I put it in them ( don’t buy already made because as they can have fillers!) and I take 6 to 8 of them. that’s about 1 1/2 to 2 teaspoons, not tablespoons and if after an hour you need more take one or 2 more caps until you find your sweet spot where you can feel it and you have no more pain. works great for me. Also, I take white grapefruit juice with mine as it acts as a potinator and can make it stronger. You could try OJ too I haven’t tried that but heard about the GFJ.

    10. Ive been taking Maeng Da powder for a year now I measure out 6.5 grams 3-4 times a day mixed with orange juice or cranberry juice. If I take more than that it upsets my stomach and my eyes do that crazy shaky thing. I’m a recovering addict and will swear by kratom. Not once have I felt the urge to use opiates, the kratom gives me that same feeling the pills used to…it actually lasts longer though. Kratom has saved my life 😁

  19. My last 10 years have been a living hell. I was introduced to Herion intravenously for the first time when I was 18 and had a problem ever since. I had to have alcohol, crack, marijuana, and any opiate I could get everyday for the last 10 years. It has resulted in homelessness, loss of friends and family, costed everything I ever mad, and numerous felonies. This year I decided to go to rehab and spent almost 4 months locked up in a state facility. When I was released, do to severe depression I started using shortly again because I don’t know any other way of life. My cousin seeing me struggling introduced me to kratom. I’ve been taking it for the last 5 months and I have not touched another illegal substance since. Can you catch a habit in my opinion? Yes. But the withdrawal from that is way more pleasant and I can definitely deal with that alot better. I can truly say that I am grateful to have found that alternative. I have my own life back

    1. Eddie if you and I had a drink, we would be telling each other’s stories.
      Keep truckin’, I’m sure everyone here knows your pain, and I personally believe in you, no matter what the case is.

  20. Having a script for oxicotin because of back surgery when I was 21 yrs.old ( I’m 61 now)
    I just discovered kratom..
    I usually run out of my script and have to go through withdrawals. During my withdrawals,I started drinking (again) around 8 months ago.
    Before the drinking,I have a few friends I could buy some oxi’s when I ran out. Very expensive..
    Now I’m trying out kratom instead of using oxi’s
    when I start feeling like I need an extra pill,which will result in running out..I have to say that doing this has me taking my oxi’s the way I’m supposed to…2 a day 60mgs.
    Kratom is far more cheaper. I have a few coffee’s in the morning with 1 teaspoon in each(bali red),only 2 oxi’s a day now and haven’t drank in a week….Its a start..
    Now my girlfriend is talking to me(she wasn’t for a while cause I smelled of drinking) and I sleep much better.
    A friend of mine introduced me to kratom and I hope I’ll continue. I feel better from not drinkin
    and kratom makes me feel sooo much better
    The head shop I go to always has plenty on hand.
    Thanks for reading this where I’m basically a newbie and hopefully I’ll continue on this path..
    My girl wants me to QUIT the oxi’s but I dont know.

    1. Awesome!! Congrats!!

    2. I use kratom to supplement my ADHD medication. It has a tendency to cause me anxiety on the backside of the medication effects, among other side effects.

      Kratom balances out the negative side effects of my ADHD meds very well. My wife said she’s never seen me as even keeled as since i added kratom to my daily supplement routine.

      I also get much farther along in my prescription cycle than i used to because before the kratom i would end up taking another dose of ADHD med to counter those bad side effects.

      1. I have to say for people on here that are mixing kratom and prescription meds you need to be extremely careful because when people mix Pharmaceuticals and kratom you can have seizures you could possibly even die I’ve been on kratom for about 3 years now and the only thing I will mix with the kratom is my insulin and occasionally some Benadryl and I Bridge stories were people have mixed kratom with prescription ADHD medicine and medication to help them deal with night shift syndrome and both cases both individuals had very severe seizures so y’all just be careful

    3. David, I have gone through a very similar situation! Kratom has been a life saver! I’ve never been a drinker. I need the meds for pain. I usually run out. I think you’re off to a great start. I found kratom last yr. Helps enormously!

  21. FYI if you have a harbor freight tools store near you you can get a decent digital scale for relatively cheap ($5 – $10)

    1. If you are really poor, like on disability, you can also get a free digital scale by doing the free trial of Stamps d0t c0m. Just remember to cancel your subscription before they start charging you. (I don’t advocate this for people who can afford a $10 scale, but some people just can’t.)
      Short list of legitimate dealers of real kratom can be found in the kratom section of Erowid.

  22. I’m curious…I found kratom about a year and a half ago and I …like you found a strain that was perfect…but for some reason something is wrong…I ain’t getting the same results like before…I am doing different strains and different doses about every 2 to 3 hours…help me out here and give me an idea on how to get this straight…thanks

    1. Hey, Rick! Sounds like you’re dosing several times a day on a regular basis (please correct me if that’s not the case!). If so, that will shoot your tolerance through the roof fairly quickly as far as kratom’s pain relieving, mood lifting, and euphoric effects are concerned. Regardless of tolerance and dosing frequency, however, the essential sense of mood clarity and stimulation should remain in tact. Try ordering some stem and vein to reset your tolerance. You could also achieve this by taking 2 to 3 days off, pounding a ton of white grapefruit juice, taking diphenhydramine a few hours before, or by taking a gabaergic substance such as gabapentin or phenibut. Phenibut is available for bulk purchasing on line and is very cheap. If you’re interested, try ordering some phenibut hcl powder from LiftMode. They are a solid trustworthy business.

      1. Can anyone help me please? In HORRIFIC PAIN. I took my very first dose of Green Maray today at 1:30pm; only 1/2 teaspoon as I’m so sensitive to things. I felt slightly euphoric and sleepy, but it never quite allowed me to sleep.. I just ‘hovered’ if you know what I mean. It never touched the pain. My question is, since I took it around 4 and a half hours ago (UK time), is it OK to take some over the counter analgesics? Like Ibuprofen or Aspirin? Many thanks. And, if anyone has any suggestions for pain, I sure would appreciate them!

        1. I would start off with one tablespoon.

      2. Where do you buy stem and vein from wana try something like this to reduce my tolerance

    2. Your tolerance is up I’m sure. You can take magnesium. It is supposed to help to not build a tolerance.

    3. U need to find a good supply of it I haven’t been many places but only found one place that carry’s red meng da that actually works the other places sold it super cheap but it didn’t help for my withdrawals whatsoever I suggest going back to the original please u got the kratom from that u felt worked to begin with that’s what I had todo

  23. So basically, one teaspoon is 2.5 grams on average, regardless of what powder you use, however, some of the powder has a more fine consistency and would make it weigh slightly more. The kratom I buy is extremely finely ground, meaning that a teaspoon of my finely ground kratom would weigh slightly above this 2.5g margin. When i weigh a teaspoon of my kratom, it comes to between 2.6g and 2.7g. The way to “measure” the consistency only comes with experience in my opinion, but basically i compress it and then push it down to see exactly how finely ground it is. Mine seems to be even more fine than a grain of sand.

  24. You’re obviously not taking care of the basics sleep hydration nutrition . If you take care if the basics kratom has the same positive effects everyday .

  25. Hi. First of all, i think the dosage chart is pretty good. Second, anyone reading this- if you have cash to buy kratom, you have cash to buy a scale. Buy the scale.

    Third. Kratom can be both a life saver and a life killer. Not only does it depend on strain but also your individual biology, dosage, frequency of use etc. I’m experienced but there was a period of time where i found a strain I really liked and it seemed to fix my life problems. It actually lasted with good effect for quite a while, months, almost a year I think, I really thought it just boiled down to strain, however then i developed stomach problems and also anxiety attacks and loss of appetite. Kratom is a “drug” in the sense that it is psychoactive like other drugs- natural or unnatural- there are physical chemicals inside of it that effect your brain.

    It’s like coffee, right.. coffee can make you feel great or shitty… for me i find kratom is totally random with its effect… one day I think “oh see this thing makes me feel better” and another day I’ll think “holy shit why do i feel so terrible” and it’s obvious on both days that the kratom effects are part of this. I feel like my anxiety is so bad on it right now. I’m not really surprised considering there are so many alkaloids in this plant and it’s hitting so many receptors in my brain and in ways that humans don’t even fully understand. I want to come off of it but whenever i don’t take it I feel extremely tired. Definitely dependent on it in some way.

    I will say this though. The withdrawal really sucks but it’s not very long. The part that’s bad for me is that I already have depression and anxiety problems, so even after fully withdrawn i end up turning to stuff like Kratom for relief, which sometimes helps. I guess that’s what you call a Catch22.

    1. I am about halfway through reading your thread. Were the stomach problems attributed to wanting to take kratom on an empty stomach? I took kratom a few times when it first got big in USA like 2015 Ish, now I take it (toss n wash method) frequently and I don’t want to have those problems. I agree with what you’re saying

      1. Definitely caused buy an empty stomach. Even if it’s partially full. What I’m saying is you need to eat more than a granola bar and yogurt with maeng da at least. I don’t have that issue with Bali. I agree with what AYE says too though. Although I’ve never had a dependency to it. I’ve taken it off and on for about 8 years. Like today’s September 16th, I’ve taken it 3 times since August 26th. So about once a week. The dosage chart I would say is accurate. I sometimes go 3 to 8 weeks without taking it. I have pain fairly moderate to severe but not typically everyday. Aye, I would assume you have daily chronic pain.

  26. Hi. First of all, i think the dosage chart is pretty good. Second, anyone reading this- if you have cash to buy kratom, you have cash to buy a scale. Buy the scale.

    Third. Kratom can be both a life saver and a life killer. Not only does it depend on strain but also your individual biology, dosage, frequency of use etc. I’m experienced but there was a period of time where i found a strain I really liked and it seemed to fix my life problems. It actually lasted with good effect for quite a while, months, almost a year I think, I really thought it just boiled down to strain, however then i developed stomach problems and also anxiety attacks and loss of appetite. Kratom is a “drug” in the sense that it is psychoactive like other drugs- natural or unnatural- there are physical chemicals inside of it that effect your brain.

    It’s like coffee, right.. coffee can make you feel great or shitty… for me i find kratom is totally random with its effect… one day I think “oh see this thing makes me feel better” and another day I’ll think “holy shit why do i feel so terrible” and it’s obvious on both days that the kratom effects are part of this. I feel like my anxiety is so bad on it right now. I’m not really surprised considering there are so many alkaloids in this plant and it’s hitting so many receptors in my brain and in ways that humans don’t even fully understand. I want to come off of it but whenever i don’t take it I feel extremely tired. Definitely dependent on it in some way.

  27. I have been trying to do as much research as possible about Kratom. I have chronic back pain from a bad accident. I’ve had many back surgeries, other back procedures and doctors have put me on heavy pain killers that i just stopped because of all the possibles and pain pills r so over rated. I also take seizure meds that I want to make sure that kratom WONT interfer with. So my question is has anyone heard of that kind of interactions? What would a good dose be with the maeng da be for pain but for also a first time kratom experimentmenter?

    1. Okay I know this post isn’t about dxm but I was lot at some of the comments because I got on here to see kratom dosages. Anyway just thought this might help at least one important soul just because all souls are important I’m gonna give you a brief testimony on dxm. Here goes: I was in a fight with my chick one night and shit got out of hand, the fight was because of DXM.( Done it to the max for 5-6 good years). Anyways that night cops said to give her half of the money in my bank account and to take what I had and stay in a hotel that night. Excuse my grammar I’m not and English professor. So I did what they said. Well I ended up taking a high high dose probably a few thousand milligrams between that night and the next day. Well I started having a siezure like never before and I swear on God and everything I know that I knew it was a fatal one this time. So I contacted gf and she was on the way while I’m dying and sucking water down like it was going out of style. She got there, I go to hospital, start convulsing more, they do chest x-ray and I’m just siezing with foam running out of mouth. Then I flatlined. I had very interesting out of body experience, came back to life and am here to live and tell about it. My friends, strangers, if you are using dxm and are very addicted please contact me my fb is Ashe Sullivan I think I’m the only person with that name and should have pic of me and my gf or my gf and daughter with me. Please contact me I will help you if you want help please. I will go out of my way to help you and coach you on how to stop because it can take your life from you and you won’t get it back and it will be too late to regret it. Please find me on Facebook. Thank you and goodbye everyone.

      1. Please post your experience on Ashe. I and many others around the world would benefit from reading your experience. You may also find that you are NOT alone. Thank you for your time.

      2. I know this has nothing to do with any posts but i see my Suboxone doctor every two weeks and I have to show up positive for suboxone in a urine test. If i take kratom in between the time i see him, will i go into precipitated w/d if i take 4 mg suboxone the day i see him? I’d like to get off Suboxone completely right now but I can’t it’s complicated. I just wanted to know if I can take suboxone the day after I take Kratom not going to withdrawal. Thanks for any help

        1. Not if u are actually stable on the subs. That precipitated withdrawal thing is a lie. U will only get sick if ur dependent on a full opioid agonist, like morphine & such, not if ur dependence is on bupe, or if ur not dependent at all. U can even take them at the same time & the only ill effect would be the possible weakening or blocking of the kratom effect

          1. You can take the sub the same day as the kratom, the sub has no effect on kratom, they work on 2 different receptors, kratom is not an opiate.

        2. You know what girl my husband KICKED with kratom! DO IT! We drink the red borneo and i drink bc i have chronic life long back issues and constant pain. I made him 1 tsp in a big shaker bottle w apple juice and whenever he felt sick he just took a chug. BAMMO! Ive used kratom for years at least 5 now and about 3 years in i cold turkey-ed and was slightly inconvienced for a week, mild withdrawals. I KNOW you can do this! i slowed waaaaay down these days but kratom for pain is my choice these days

        3. I’m on suboxone maintenance as well, and I take Kratom every other day. From my personal experience and from what I’ve researched, there are no I’ll effects. You can take Kratom before, after, or even while on suboxone.

        4. I was on a large dose of tramadol and my doctor said to add Naltrexone and there wouldn’t be any effects but I had full on withdrawal and it was bad.

          1. I despise Naltrexone. It works for some, but it really gave me rough depression. Of course, you need to be at least 7 days detoxed from any opiate/opioid before taking it…unless you want to experience immediate rapid precipitated withdrawal, which is what happened in your case. I’m surprised that was recommended to you seeing that Tramadol binds to the mu opioid receptor sites. Naloxone might have been a different story, but there’s a reason why it works perfectly in the case of Suboxone (correct proportions – buprenorphine/partial mu opioid receptor agonist to naloxone/antagonist). Sorry you had to experience that! It’s horrific. Lol. It happened to me three times with kratom. I was looking to detox and take a short break, and I had ingested an ounce of Malay the night before, and wow…it punched me straight in the face!

        5. I’m sorry for being late but I used subs for awhile and had to get off them 8mg 3 a week…ok so when I got off them I used Kratom and I’m telling you it’s better

      3. No longer on facebook, Ashe Sullivan?

        1. I don’t know if he is. I really hope he didn’t die…🤧😒Dxm killed a friend of mine…… after 4 years…. that shit is nothing to mess with.

    2. I have arthritis in my back and joints from years of carpet installation. I have had a hip replacement and both knees need repaced. I went from only walking a short distance and having to stop because of pain. I took 10 ibuprofen gabupenten. I started using a green kratom in a small amount 1/2 teaspoon a day and I can walk normally now. This is all I take. I just had shoulder surgery from form rotor cuff and nerve damage I took for 5 days and stopped and went back to Kratom. and real good. I also found my mood is better. This has been life changing for me.

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