Please be aware that the below charts reflect estimates and not exact measurements consistent across all kratom vendors. While it is recommended that you buy a scale to correctly measure your kratom, these charts offer support for those who are unable to do so.

When measuring an extract, we strongly recommend purchasing a small digital scale as they often have a significantly higher degree of variability.

Average Powdered Leaf

1 gram0.035 ounces
50 grams1.75 ounces
100 grams3.5 ounces

Crushed Leaf

1 Tablespoon2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon0.9 grams
000 Capsule0.70 – 1 gram

Bali Powder

1 Tablespoon6.2 grams
1 Teaspoon2.3 grams
000 Capsule0.75 – 1 gram

Maeng Da Powder

1 Tablespoon7 grams
1 Teaspoon2.6 grams

Green Malay Powder

1 Tablespoon6.9 grams
1 Teaspoon2.4 grams

Extract Capsule Conversion (00 Capsules)

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Extract00 Capsule DosageEquivalent Powdered Leaf
Gold Reserve Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram7-8 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Indo Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf
ISOL-8 Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-7 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Maeng Da Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Red Kali Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf

This Post Has 1,663 Comments

  1. john

    hi all, a good way to help miminize tolerance is a magnesium supplement, it has NMDA antagonist effects, which are the primary opiod tolerance regulators. and strain rotation will help also.

    1. Derek

      Woah, that’s interesting! So magnesium can help reduce tolerance to kratom?

  2. John

    I take about 3-6 grams a dose 3 times a day sometimes 4. The withdrawals kind of suck when you are off of it but it is still not very bad. This is what they are. Mildly upset stomach, sneezing, sometimes aches, bad fatigue, and depression. They usually last anywhere from 2-10 days depending on the amount you use. While you are on it everything starts to seem interesting, you get mild euphoria, sometimes energy depending on the strain, and a few more effects depending on the person. I have never had it give me dizzy eyes and I have not run out of this stuff in almost 5 years. 5 years ago when I started I took 3-6 grams a day. Exact same amount as today because every time I take over 5g I first get tired, and then I feel sick around 6g but only slightly woozy. Kratom just does not have bad enough side effects to be considered anything more than a natural mild mood enhancing drug. Long term side effects are so mild chances are you will not even notice them. But for those of us who are stuck in crappy lives this stuff makes life a little easier and sometimes even enjoyable. Sorry if I am not making much sense… I sort of toked up before I got on here and just sort of trailed off. Also you can still feel kratom when you’re baked so that’s a plus.

    1. Jasmine

      Nice comment John!

    2. Leah

      Yep i learned that one. Makes me a lightweight on cannabis

  3. Luke

    I discovered kratom about a year ago when I was on the brink of destruction with alcohol. It has changed everything about my life, from giving me motivation and energy, to helping me sleep all the way through the night. I was taking club 13 extra strength capsules (which give me a very strong euphoric/energizing effects) I’ve recently started brewing tea as my ingestion method (much cheaper) but I can’t seem to get the same energizing/euphoric effects from the tea no matter how strong I make it or what strain I use. I’ve tried using enhanced leaf powder to make tea, even made my own kratom resin not the same effect as the club 13 capsules. Any thoughts?

    P.s. With the help of kratom And other herbal (natural) medications I have been sober for over 200 days. It is truly beautiful that nature provides us with these tools!

    1. Craig

      Good for you! Don’t stop fighting

    2. asdfasdfasdfasdf

      alot of the alkaloids in kratom are non liquid soluble so the effects from tea are diminished

      1. Paul

        Where did u get club 13 extra strength capsules from? I’d like to try some.

        1. Dr

          What is club 13?

          1. Advice

            Club 13 – a company that has been known to use RCs in their pills – I’d take a bet it wasnt the kratom that made you feel like that.

            I used to love a club 13 pill back in 09-10, was like cutting an X in half. After the RC bans started they disappeared from the shelves – like EVERYTHING club 13. I’ve slowly seen some of their products re-surfacing, but even my old favorite didnt provide the effects it had – proof to me this company was into using RCs.

            Stay away from club 13. Stay far away.

      2. Planetary Herbalist

        Vinegar is used as the menstruum for extracting alkaloids.

        1. Thomas

          What is RC?

        2. Michelle

          Thomas, RC I believe is Research Chemicals. So, could be any drug, who knows.

    3. Lisa

      So happy for you that you have found a way to an alcohol free life. God knows how hard it is to put the bottle down and to keep it down. I don’t know you but please know as life goes on and it gets easier and easier to continue on that path, remember there will absolutely be those days (bad day at work, family drama, etc.) when your want for that drink will be great and your willpower will be truly tested, know that their is a stranger in the world keeping you in her thoughts and prayers. Never stop the fight and if you do slip (hopefully your past the worst) tomorrow is a new day and its always the first day of the rest of your life.

      1. Ed

        Lisa, that is a very beautiful, inspiring, and soulful reply. I, too, I have put down the bottle for close to a year. Thank God.

        Luke, you will remain in my thoughts also.

        1. Skyzeks

          I just started reading these posts, and I must say, you guys are very consoling to each other. I admire that empathy and I also wish everyone who is suffering from alcohol or opiate abuse the best of everything. I certainly have my addictive problems, presently taking Suboxone. I just found out about Kratom and bought a bag of capsules opms 30mg total I think I wasted the first capsules I took bc of Suboxone, so I will try no Suboxone and slowly take Kratom. This site is very informative so thank you

          1. Jasmine

            I realized that too I love it! And then I also realized that’s because everyone commenting is on Kratom and super relaxed, euphoric, and everything is good no need for negativity here. I love it! Lol!

          2. Elissa Tucker

            Hi. Wondering if you were successful coming off of Suboxone? I am wanting to use Kratom to come off of it. Did you by chance do that? Thanks so much for any advice

          3. The red dragon

            Yes! Slowly taper off the suboxone and replace with kratom. Changed my life!

    4. Lace

      When I make tea, I use cold sweet tea mixed with the powder. I drink all the powder too. I get stronger effects than the caps.

    5. Marissa

      Here’s to hoping maybe u will see this, given that your post is 4 yrs old, but here goes. . I just bought my first big bottle of red vein Bali kratom to hoped help me kick subutex. I was addicted to Roxys for about 5 years, and while subutex did save my life from succumbing to a roxy od, now I’m ready to be done w/ subutex, however no one mentioned subutex would be just as hard if not harder to kick than roxys. So my question to you, is what strain of kratom do you think would be best and what other natural medicines did u find effective? If u don’t mind me asking

      1. KM

        Red Bali Kratom. I have recently been dealing with overcoming roxy as well. I take 10 pills, 4x per day to start out. You may not need that much though. Best of luck!

      2. Alexandra

        I have been following this post for a while and I’m so glad to see new responses! Therefore I will add in my two cents.
        I was a raging heroin addict/alcoholic on and off for over 20 years. A couple years ago I went on suboxone maintenance and it was a game changer for me. I finally was getting my shit together and for the first tile ever, my alcohol cravings were lessened. That had never happened to me before! I stayed on it but I quickly started to feel like a slave to subs just like the heroin. I unfortunately got my wish because once quarantine hit, I wasn’t able to get my subs and I went off of them cold turkey. Holy hell I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy! I was SOOOOO sick for the first month, then moderately sick the second month. By the third month I was feeling back to normal. Anyways I used Kratom in the beginning of the kick and it helped so much! I had used it before and I knew that now that I was off the subs, the Kratom was going to be in my life at least temporarily.
        So I’ve been taking it about 3-5 grams several times a day. I don’t get high off of it in the slightest. Which to be honest. Is a bummer. I would prefer to catch a buzz, I feel like that would help curtail my alcohol drawings if I did. I read on another site that if you take like 15 grams that can produce a euphoric effect. Does anyone ever take that much? I know I have developed a tolerance since I’ve been taking it everyday for about 2 months. But I never caught a buzz even in the beginning. It just helps with my opioid c da binge and makes me “feel better.” It’s a lifesaver for hangovers too! I also recently got some that is infused with real CBD and helps wi Th my back pain so much!
        I have so much research to do on strains and dosages. And about catching a buzz! I mean, I assume that’s why most people take it. I naturally have a high tolerance but there has to be a way!
        Thanks for everyone’s responses and advice.

        1. Miss Kelly

          I’m glad that you have found something that helped you get through some tough times. It’s interesting and unfortunate that you find it doesn’t help for alcohol cravings. I have read so many stories of Kratom helping them stop drinking completely. It sounds like it has helped you not drink as much and with the worlds being in such a crazy place right now and you being force to quit subs CT is amazing!
          Your tolerance is quite high which is probably why your not feeling a “buzz” it could also be your strain. I have a big tolerance and Red Bali at 1.6g had my head buzzing the first time. Often times less is more. Less amount will give you energy and larger amounts are more sedating. You may want to play with A Red a Green and a White to see which one works. Cycling those also can help your tolerance as well as taking days off if you can.
          You mentioned that you assumed most people take Kratom for the “buzz” but this isn’t the case actually and that idea is part of why it’s being targeted to be made into a scheduled substance. People use it to stop drinking, get off pain medications and anxiety meds. Some use it for energy or to help them sleep. Some for depression. It easily took the place of 5 medications I took and quite frankly I could lose the last two I take and be fine with my Red Bali. It literally saves peoples lives. Sure people enjoy the euphoria it can provide but the majority of long term users use it to improve their quality of life.

        2. Elle

          Hi. Hoping you guys can help me. I was a horrible OxyContin, Vicodin, Percocet, addict. You name a pain med, I popped it. I went to rehab and am now on suboxone but I’ve been on that for 10 yrs and I’m addicted. I ran out yesterday because I took too many and my script fills in 4 day’s. I want to grab some kratom. Do I just go to my local smoke shop and grab a bottle? Any advice? I feel sad and sick and I’m crying all morning. I hate when I do this to myself.

          1. Dustin

            White mang da wife and I kicked suboxone with this suboxone is just as bad as heroin get the powder not the capsules and do the toss and wash in your mouth with a fruity drink like mountain dew

          2. Kathi

            Elle,,, the quickest way ti get ut is from ahead shop however it’s very expensive there and not always the best quality. You will also find that if you order Kratom from offline there are a ton of different companies and the quality is just as much. Some companies have great Kratom some have average and some have poor. Do your research on companies get back with me if you’d like I’ll give you the name of a couple of good companies. Kratom powder always works the best and the fastest it’s a learning curve for everyone who takes Kratom as to how they react to it how much to take etc etc

          3. Britt

            Gurl!!! Yes do it!!! I’m an Oxi addict and every month I get my supply and within a week they are gone! I’m left miserable depressed anxiety ridden no energy and sometimes just a puddle of tears. I did my research trying anything to get me out of my hole I put myself in everytine and I went down to my local smoke shop and by the help of a wonderful cashier she got me some powder and pills currently took two scoops of it and 1 pill and I’m in heaven finally peace of mind!! Hope this helps! It’s nice to know I’m not alone❤️

        3. Matt

          I’m so glad I found this page about Kratom!. Tmro can’t get here soon enough so I can go get some for first time and hopefully finally be done with suboxone (5yrs) sicker each day…I’m down to last one, been cutting smaller pieces every day for last month. Finally hope in this miserable life. Can’t wait to smile again! Thank you all so much!! One Love Indeed.

        4. Mike

          You’re just an addict looking to get high. Doesnt matter what the substance is. You need help. And to recognize than just because its “legal” doesn’t mean addicts like yourself won’t abuse it.

      3. Em

        I was in a very similar situation to you, very recently. I just finished weaning off of subutex 4 days ago after being on it for roughly 3 years. As soon as I started feeling withdrawal symptoms I took 2-3 grams of the red bali powder mixed in oj along with a couple capsules of a green strain to help give a little energy boost. I’ve been taking 2-3 grams 2-3 times a day and it’s been a lifesaver! I also highly recommend taking passion flower tincture combined with valerian root caps to help sleep better. To help with mood even further and mitigate cravings I take a DLPa 1000 mg daily along with a good quality turmeric. One last natural thing I highly recommend is CBD oil daily and marijuana as needed because the medicinal effects of both of those help everything lol I really hope this info helps ANYONE going through this. One love

        1. JM

          How’s it going for you? Was you saying you on day 4 of completely being done with the suboxone withdraw and if so how many nights did you not sleep?

        2. Louise

          Subs are hard to kick more so than any opiate I have been on. I literally thought I was dying. Kratom definitely helps ease some pain and gives you energy at the same time. My first week off subs I was way to sick to take anything and wished I sucked it up and drank Kratom in my coffee I’ve stopped before and drank kratom but always went back to subs. I started taking subs to kick my blues but I really wish I didn’t because personally that was harder to kick than anything even heroin when I was younger. I’m looking for dosage info, I put about 1/2 tbsp in my coffee in the am, hate the taste, but my legs are still restless. I hate this feeling in my legs. It’s driving me nuts. I’m still a little sick from stopping subs, low energy, don’t feel like socializing, my damn legs. I’ve tried smoking but it doesn’t help. My muscle relaxers only help a little at night with a sleeping pills but I’m still waking up restless after 3-4 hours. I just want to live a normal, sober life. I’m so sick of this. I miss having energy and feeling ok. I have arthritis in my hips and back and just want normal sleep at night, no tossing and turning.

      4. Matt

        Red vein is the most sedative, as far as kicking opiates, or suboxone/ subutex, but definitely taper. Holy shit, I tried to just switch from one to the other and, to be honest thought I was good to sit day 3, had to cop out , subutex and suboxone are terrible drugs that are so much worse for your body than the opiates, and supposedly you can’t OD on sub. So theres that… but ya. Red vein would be my recommendation. Personally.

    6. William Willams

      You’re way past the hard part, hang in there, no booze for almost 10 years. Good luck and I wish you the best and if you’re ever in trouble email me

      1. Lj

        Take a red strain. Red bali

    7. Jas

      Like! If you’re looking for energy, you should try white strains at lower doses more frequently. I take about two to four grams every six to eight hours. Totally eliminated caffeine from my regiment as it would always make me too jittery and since I quit coffee I’ve had a really set schedule with my sleep/wake cycle. Asleep by 10pm most nights, awake rested around 5am-6:30am without alarms. I also take melatonin around 9:30 if I am not naturally tired. I think that’s why my first doses make me feel more energized without the jitters like pumping coffee for the first half of the day would do, but with less focus than the kratom. I also take mine mixed as a rue with water and then cut it with 1 cup of green juiced fruits and spinach (Iprefer boathouse green goodness as it’s the cheapest store bought juiced fruit and really cuts out all bitterness of the kratom with the right ratio) and it tastes GOOD. I’ve been doing it this way for over a year. When my husband and I struggled to quit drinking we started using kratom in situations that would typically trigger us to want to have drinks. It worked so well, my husband is in construction, I get stomach ulcers, so we decided to start using it in place of all other pain relievers and with his chronic joint pain and my severe manic/depressiveness we decided to make it a daily part of our health and wellness as it brought balance and consistency that we had never had before. Completely changed the course of our lives. Before we were always living paycheck to paycheck and were unreliable and two years later we have built up our credit, gotten married, have three happy pets, and are saving to build a house.. all things we previously had been avoiding or putting off. My husband’s brother also had been getting into trouble for his drinking last year, he aslo made the switch and now is buying kratom in bulk and selling kratom online and has not had one set back with old habits. I had known about kratom for coming on a decade now and thought it could only be useful for helping people with opioid addiction. My mother uses it daily, my husband, his brother and myself and many of our older family members who have been dependent on opiates from doctors are making the switch too. Kratom has helped so many people save money, live a more balanced life, have the emotional capacity to deal with the struggles of life head on, and have the focus and energy to take things day by day. Oh geez, excuse my rambling. I digress. This has been a long quarantine for my husband and I in Idaho trying to lay low with the way people are around here (most of this area believes covid is a hoax and even when the mask mandate was passed most people chose to disregard it and our authority figures decided it wasn’t worth enforcing so have not had many opportunities to chat and be social in awhile.)

      Anyway, luke if you are looking for an energized feeling, hydrate and take more frequent smaller doses of your kratom. I personally feel that generally white strains lean more towards euphoria and energy and aren’t as heavy of feeling as higher doses.

  4. Matthew

    kratom is a miracle…between work and two small children to care for, my wife and i have no health insurance either..(,we who have been suboxone patients for years, admittedly the therapy has saved our lives in itself regarding the suboxone, we go about it honestly and are extremely serious about our recovery). however neither of us want to be on suboxone for the rest of our lives, this is merely a personal choice mind you, some folks may need to remain on subs for a loooong time, everyone is different, unfortunately our choice is financially motivated more than anything, and the kratom has worked wonders, absolute blazing wonders in helping us to titrate, lower, and even skip our doses of suboxone on occasion, and its been a beautiful thing. but like anything else in nature, this gift must be respected, and it will take you a long way in its benefits. 2-3 grams of a red vein strain in the morning allows me relief from my suboxone for up to a whole work day, (sometimes an extra gram or two during the day depending on my metabolism at any given time, for it is quite high) and roughly 4 grams in the evening….someday ill part ways with suboxone and live a truly free life thanks to this miraculous piece of nature, until then i will take it slow, slow as i can go infact and i recommend the same approach to anyone…no sense in taking things to fast and wreaking unnecessary havoc or stress upon the body.

    1. Eric

      I was on subs and methadone twice in my 35 years. I found suboxone is much easier to get off of because you can control your dose not the clinic. The first time on subs I was at 4, 8mg a day. Way too much. Tapered way to slow 2 years finally just stopped when I was down to just a chip. Felt like shit for 2 weeks still. 5 years later relapsed then went to a done clinic was at 100 mg of that for 2.5 years. Liquid handcuffs is the truth. Then went to subutex then suboxone. Just take as little as possible. Finally off again. Anyway it is possible even though it seems not. Kratom should help but be careful because it might bring your cravings for the strong stuff.

      1. Fred

        Actually, because Kratom acts primarily at the Delta receptor, its not nearly as addictive as pharma type opiates. At higher doses there is more action at the Mu receptor. Both receptors provide for pain relief, but the Mu receptor agonism is what perpetuates addiction via cravings. I never feel a strong craving for Opiates or more Kratom while taking it. Its much more matter-of-fact… i.e. ‘My pain is returning, I may need to take a bit more Kratom soon.’… Rather than, ‘holy shit!…my opiate pain med is wearing off and I can’t wait for my next dose/fix!’ A very, very different feel. This is why I feel Kratom for pain, as well as depression, is so much safer than the heavy duty Pharmaceutical pain medications. But make no mistake, there is a physical dependency issue with chronic use. Keep doses moderate, take days off ( if you can when your pain isn’t as bad), and rotate strains to keep tolerance at bay.

        Having said that, withdrawal is nothing like opiates. Its much more mild, but a taper is recommended. Expect a sweaty feeling, muscle aches ( especially in forearms and legs) , some agitation, and even occasional muscle spasms. Some people also report dyshoria and RLS. If you experience any of the more serious symptoms, you are weaning too fast. Just take a little bit of Kratom, a gram or 2, to irradicate the worst symptoms and then continue on with your taper. Bets wishes to all, and remember…with Kratom, less is more. I recommend everyone chart their use on a tablet and use a scale ( around $15) to measure dosages accurately.

        1. T

          I know this is an old post, but I just read it and you made me crack up laughing! Been depressed, so thanks for the laughs!!

          1. Joe

            I’m glad you find the subject amusing 😠

        2. ronnie

          This post is really old, but as a nookie to kratom I am glad I found it. I like the advice you give on charting doses. I will be doing that. Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this.

      2. Sonia

        I can not take suboxone I could be clean for a week and it stills throws me into immediate withdrawal severe withdrawal. I have been clean for five years after a bid in prison. I maxed started using again. I finally tried methadone. And for the most part it has been positive. FFWD five years my dose is not carrying me. I could not see the doc due to covid. I don’t want to use. Because I am not stupid it will most likely kill me. That is not an option. I finally got in to see doc in 2 days I am trying to use the kratom to help me through the worst. I have red Bali, and the red Borneo, it says .07 milligrams per capsule how many tabs should I take. I have taken 3 of the red Bali but still feeling bad. Should I take more or stay at this dose.

    2. GC

      I have been addicted to kratom for several years. Don’t kid yourselves into thinking this is a miracle of any kind… addiction is addiction. My life was much better off before ever using kratom. Wake up.

      1. Brandon

        I’m addicted to cheeseburgers and ibuprofen….come on man. You can be addicted to anything. If people say it’s a miracle for them and can take little amounts and not feel like shit then let them call it a miracle. Just because you abused it doesn’t mean they have. People like you are making this product illegal in some states.

        1. Tom Y.

          I agree with Brandon, I felt my life was never going to be normal again after using prescription opiates for many years (all legal from back surgeries) and I wanted my old self back that I had before becoming “Opiate Zombie”. Kratom got me off opiates completely and I look forward to going into work again I’m more productive, focused and find myself actually talking to my employees when I’m at work and getting back those relationships we had before I fell into the opiate hole. I take my burn first thing in the morning and I’m good until after lunch when I’ll do a smaller burn with some OJ to finish out the workday and then when I get home I still have enough euphoria to take care of whatever it is I need to do at home, mowing or playing with my dog (he likes the old me also). Bottom line is “Kratom” has given me my life back, personally and professionally so it is a miracle because I thought I’d never be normal again but life is great!

          1. Milonius

            Wait until Kratom stops working and your dosage starts to skyrocket. Before long you’ll realize that the “miracle plant” feels dirty, just like any other opiate after awhile. Eventually you’ll cross a threshold at which the side effects will manifest, and they’re not pleasant. Bad memory problems and “dizzy eyes” are the two most common. In order to get any relief you’ll have to increase your dose to a point at which the dizzy eyes are an almost constant battle. Walking around not being able to focus your eyes all day, feeling dizzy, and forgetting things people told you 20 seconds ago are not fun. Yes, this is a plant, but the effects of taking it over a long period of time have not been studied and are not understood. It feels good and clean at first, but when the dose is raised and the side effects are felt you’ll understand what I’m talking about.

          2. Alice

            Milionius, because you have an addictive personality does not mean every one does. I take 2 capsules a day and that is all. It has been that way for 3 years. My pain is helped. It may not feel like it did in the beginning, but it still relieves my arthritis pain.
            I do not take any more than that and I have never once experienced any of the issues with eyes and memory that you report.

          3. Laura Love

            OK Tom finally someone who experienced what I am. So I’m in a huge opiate hole. I don’t want to talk to anyone. I got some maeng da and red Bali but don’t know when to start it. Or how much. I’m after the get things done and outgoing effect. I’m not into feeling down or tired unless it’s bed time. So I’m on 20 mg oxycodone 3 x a day. And always take 600 mg of ibuprofen with it or 1000 mg of Tylenol. I change them up. My OXY won’t help pain anymore because I’m going on 12 years of use due to back surgery from car accident. So I just want my life back. Can I start this 3 hours after taking 10 mg of oxycodone? I have been breaking my OXY in half weaning slowly. How much should I try being a 5ft 9in 37 yr old 170lb female?

          4. Natalie

            Hey Tom,
            I’m 20 years old and i’ve been addicted to opiates for 1 1/2 years. Once i graduated my dad got locked in prison and my mom left town with my brother. I went down a dark depressed path and opiates were the only thing that made me happy. I just started Kratom 4 days ago and it’s holding back my cravings extremely well, I gave in tonight and picked up a hydro but i’m not stopping. this one mistake won’t stop me from my goal. i’m replying to you because it seems like you have some experience on Kratom. I don’t understand the dosage on this stuff yet. I want to get to where it feels like an opiate high to stop me from going and getting an actual opiate but i’m scared to take more than 3 grams at a time. will taking more than 3 get me there? is that safe? let me know when you can. I don’t really have someone else to talk to about these problems so an anonymous person on the internet seems the best route for me right now.

          5. The Chuck

            I was legally addicted to oxy from the good doctors who continued to prescribe them to me in high doses (5 x 20mg a day) even though I was obviously struggling with addiction. After 8 years of this I finally got free and have been taking suboxone for almost 2 years. My life is circling the drain right now and I’m taking more than prescribed and running out early. So I just picked up some mang da capsules yesterday and giving it a go. Any suggestions of a better strain for this use? I’ve really enjoyed reading the posts about how everyone is coping in a positive way.

      2. S.H.

        I am extremely happy to hear your life is better without Kratom. If Kratom use was causing negative problems in your life then discontinuing was definitely the proper call for you. As long as a substance has the possibility of altering your mood in the slightest people will abuse and become “addicted”. People sniff/huff glue, gasoline and computer cleaner, people drink purell and other hand sanitizers, people are addicted to sex, porn texting and video games.

        Kratom is a miracle plant for some. It was for me. I was a long term Norco/Vicodin addict who used Kratom alone to taper down from 15 Norcos a day to none in 4 days. I had virtually no withdrawal effects.

        I had tried subutex, suboxone, been given benzos (far worse than opiates), tranquilizers and went to rehab. None of those things worked. Kratom worked. As a committed opiate addict; if Kratom is an “opiate” I certainly never got addicted to it. I used it for 14 days. The exact same dosage, of the exact same strain for 14 straight days and stopped. I did not have a single desire to continue to use Kratom afterwards.

        Kratom, just like everything, is not for everyone and there will certainly be those who will abuse it like everything else in life. However, I can only speak for myself. If used properly and with respect this plant has the possibility of freeing the every grower number of opiate addicts out there.

        1. leelee

          i have been struggling with opiates pretty much all my life. in the end i was shooting heroin. i’m on suboxone now and want more than anything to give that up. i just took my first dose of kratom and hope and pray this works. how much kratom did you take to get off opiates in 14 days? can you tell me your exact schedule for taking kratom?

          1. KatDan

            leelee, I know exactly how you feel. I have been using opiates and 140mg. of methadone a day since 1990 (getting old). I started lowering my dose by 5mgs. a week until I got down to about 50mg. then I went 3-5mgs. about every two weeks down to 20mgs. then I just let my body tell me when to go down. It has taken about a year, but am here to tell you that Kratom works! I am DRUG FREE as of 12/31/2017. The worst is in the morning when I get up. I just used about 4-7 grams 3-4 times a day of some great Red Borneo, or Red Bali, mixed with some White Maeng Da (for energy, since you won’t have ANY!)and FLUSHED the rest of my Dones down the toilet, so the Kratom helped me to kick while at 15mgs. of Done a day, not only that but I stopped taking my Clozapam 2mg. every night at the same time!You will just have to let your body feel it out for you. I hope this helps anyone else out there, I’m a hard core addict! have been since the 80’s, this is the first time I have went more than 12-18 hours without Opiates, and I feel GREAT! 11 DAYS AND COUNTING!

          2. paul stephens

            Katdan and leelee or anyone else
            Rather than providing TMI I have aquired a few bad habits. @ 62 addicted again to oxy (8 30mg/day) from same pain mgnt doc for year. currently many sinus issues, bronchitis and latent tooth infection taking toll on my health. been down methadone road all the way to couple china white episodes thailand/laos to alot of hilltribe treks to get opium. a dangerous game… Ran out of oxy last night, took 20 mg methadone to deal with beginning withdrawl today then found some green mayley and red bali stashed here so took 10 oz mayay. its 8 month old but been in sealed packs, hope still works… any support offer will be greatly appreciated. will provide email and # then. thanks

        2. John

          I like your comment a lot. I am amidst my 2nd time coming off of suboxone. This time on it for 3 years, not as bad as when coming off after 8 years. I have this same feeling as you. I went 3 days of nothing to really feel bad, now the last 3 days idk a tablespoon of kratom at like noon than that’s it. Been surprised that each day when the kratom wears off it’s less and less worse. I wasn’t sure if the kratom was just going to delay withdrawal but it seems like definitely not. The thing is, most people want to feel no withdrawal. I think it’s important to go through the worst of it so you remember why not to fuck up again…

      3. Aprilpolston

        Your so right started taking kratom for chronic pain and lack of energy it worked great but what they don’t tell you is you can’t just quit you will feel like you are dying which is just as bad as any other withdrawal like you said don’t fool yourself I was better off without it

      4. John

        True , because I abused it . Super difficult to get off of

        1. Sunshine

          Any substance abuse, will always be difficult to get off of.. I was addicted to hydrocodone , benzos and muscle relaxants..all legally prescribed, due to neck fusion surgery.. 15 long years, I went cold turkey on the Hydrocodone and Muscle relaxers, benzos I had to wean off of…The kicker is I felt like I had demons inside of me, fighting me, the whole time I was getting off of all these drugs, I’m 50yrs old, and I have a bulging disk at lumbar 7 in my lower back that presses on my sciatic nerve, which makes everyday life difficult, my bipolar doesnt help matters either, And I’m not ready to have some Droctor, perform any more surgeries, so I deal with chronic pain every single day of my life..I find Kratom helps tremendously.. In the past I always felt like, a prisoner to all the pharmaceutical pills, I couldnt pack up and go anywhere, without making sure, I wouldnt run out of meds… With Kratom, I dont have these worries anymore, if I run out I just run over to the nearest GNC and pick some up.. IT feels wonderful, not to be a slave to Pharmaceutical Pills anymore…Kratom does not take away the pain totally, but it does help Alot… Dont abuse, want feel the need to abuse…A person is more likely to get addicted to meds when used for recreational purposes and not what they where originally give for…. Good luck to all

    3. Maryann Leale

      How do you know what strain you have? And how many 500 mg caps does one take? I’m getting off of Norco but scared of unknown side effects. I found a kratom brand called Klarity. Anyone?

      1. Kay H

        I use Norco for a couple weeks, then go off it using Kratom. I have no side effects from going iff the Norco when I take the Kratom. I go back and fourth to avoid dependency. I am having surgery soon and after hope to not need need either. But in the last year it has been a lifesaver to me. I take 3 capsules of green bornea and 3 wildcraft in the a.m. A total if abour3.5 grams. Occasionally the first few days I made need an dose after lunch.
        Good luck

      2. S.H.

        You should use a red vein strain from Bali, Borneo or Thailand. Use in powdered form and mix in with a drink of your choice. There are many websites on dosing and there effects. You have to remember for coming off opiates you may need more rather than less 6-7 grams doses for sedative effects. At lower dosages 1-2 grams Kratom can act as a stimulant and that can potentially increase the anxiety detoxing from Vicodin already causes. Everyone is different.

      3. Petro

        I have been battling opiates since i was 19 i died the other. Day from fetti. I didnt want to stop cause withdrawal. Found kratom and have had no withdraw. No bupes no meth no other opiate. I keep waiting for the demon to enter me but it hasnt im hoping this is a cure also im an alcoholic and havent felt the need for a drink

      4. Cory

        Kratom, is only addictive if you abuse it. I’m taking no more than 12 grams a day (6 grams at a time) twice a day or every 6 to 7 hours, and I can speak for myself and say that I’m no longer an addict of it. Switch between strains twice a week to avoid a comprise in your tolerance levels. I was addicted to it for almost two years but I was taking 7.5 grams 4 times a day or every four hours. The withdrawl symptoms were a lot like opioid withdrawals. But it’s a lot easier to taper yourself off of kratom and use it accordingly than it is to abuse opiates. Not to mention is isn’t nearly as detrimental to your health as opiates. I was HIGHLY addicted to opiates. I have back issues but the truth is I was doing it more so for the high of it and using it’s energy to do my job. I worked in the steel pipeline industry for 11 years. Kratom helped me to alleviate my cravings from opiates. I was taking 3 or 4 perk 10s every four hours and sometimes up to 25 a day. It killed my marriage, my home, my finances and my life. Kratom for some IS a wake up call. In my case especially. I wound up in a hospital from an overdose of opiates. That woke me up but it didn’t alleviate my cravings. When I got out of the hospital, that same day, I went back to using again. A friend introduced me to kratom and I haven’t been an addict of opiates ever since. So kratom, truly is relief for a ton of people. DO NOT ABUSE IT. Try not to take it everyday and if you have to because of pain, addiction or lack of motivation be sure to stick to once or no more than twice a day at no more than 6 gs a dose. And by 6 gs a dose I mean Bali or Malaysia powder. Refer to the weight chart of kratom on its weight scale or buy a scale to properly measure your doses. Kratom does have potential for addiction. But just like anything you eat or do these days you’ll have to manage your intake.

    4. Derek

      My sister takes Suboxone. I’m trying to convince her to try kratom! So you take red vein in the morning? I’ve heard reds are more sedating and slower, and better to take at night. If you say you take them before work though, I’d be interested! Because I need energy for work. I’m taking green Maeng Da… just ordered green malay however and thinking of trying white Maeng Da.

    5. Chris

      The reason you can skip a dose is because the sub has a half life of 37 hours. The sub is what is holding you. Don’t get it twisted. Try doing that 2-3 days in a row with that amount of kratom. If the subs weren’t in your system anymore you would need a 5 gram dose every 2-3 hours

    6. Leanna

      Can taking subs too soon after kratom cause precipitated withdrawal? I cant find any straight amswers. Im trying to kick a habit of sniffing fent. I only want to take subs for a week and then stop before i get addicted to them. I stopped once a year ago and was fine after 7 days of subs. I didnt NEED anything…so i made myself a deal. I just wont do fent more than a couple times every few weeks …of course back out of control. I just want to be sober. I want to try kratom before subs but if it doesnt work do i have to wait again? Precipitated withdrawal is THE worst! My only withdraw symptoms are restless legs, insomnia amd zero energy. If i was in jail id be fine. I have so many responsibilities though. A physical job, two little kids, pets and a house. I have no help nor get child support.

  5. Carly Harp

    I have suffered from pain related to MS and Fibromyalgia for roughly 8 years. I discovered Kratom this past January and am absolutely amazed at how well it works. My go to strain for pain is Red Bentuangie. I take it three times per day mixed with other strains. In the morning, I mix with white Sumatra or white Maeng Da to give me a boost of energy and pain relief. In the afternoon, I mix it with Green Bali or Green Malay for a mild boost and pain relief. And at night I mix it with red Sumatra or red Bali to help me sleep. I usually take 2-4 grams per dose and each dose lasts me around 5 hours. I make capsules as my swallowing ability has been somewhat compromised because of the MS so I can’t handle the texture or taste. Capsules are easiest for me but others have found success with tea or mixing Kratom with yogurt or applesauce. It has truly been a miracle for me.

    1. Audrey Sansone

      How do you take it? Is it like 1 table spoon in your tea?

    2. Sarah

      Could I personally message you some how?

      1. John

        Hello. I am john. I use kratom about 3 years now. If you need help I got you ok. Just let me know.

        1. Ashley

          I just tried Kratom for the first time because I’ve been having cravings for Vicodin. I only ever tried Kratom once; I took six 750mg capsules of Red Bali and nothing happened at all. Am I doing this wrong? I’m looking for a euphoric feeling and energy boost. I want to stop drinking energy drinks. I’ve been sober from drugs for almost a year now and I don’t want to risk being hospitalized again.

        2. Amanda

          Could you email me John. I just purchased a trial pack of capsules in green, red, and white maegna da. It arrived today and I really wasn’t sure where to start as far as dosing. I’d appreciate you help.

  6. Edward

    I need to know something about kratom dosage amounts in extract form. I am supposed to see a pain management specialist next month. I have seen such doctors before with little success . I heard red kratom helps pain. I tried marijuana once and it gave me a deathly ill elevated heart rate. I almost died. No shit. I am 5’10 and 155 pounds. It seems the only pain medication I can take are opiate related. They cause the least amount of bad reactions. Someone please provide me with a correct dosage amount for red kratom. Thanks.

    1. Robbin505

      I would recommend getting on methadone, which I am on, because of the minute side effects and easily controlled titration method. Now for me it’s a mix of multiple approaches on my road to titration. I use an antidepressant, anti-anxiety medication(diazepam 5mg 2x per day), etizolam 2-4mg per day.

      1. Justin

        Are you out of your mind!? NEVER recommend methadone to someone

        1. ffonzones

          Thank you. I would never tell anyone to walk into the hell I’m finally getting out of…I am off methadone almost 3 weeks… I still have not slept more than 2-3 hours even with kratom. But I also don’t know proper amounts beginning i probably took an amount that was stimulating me during sleep hours adding to the insomnia. Kratom didn’t really start changing effects until about a week after last dose of 5mg methadone. It 100% helped with the horrible shitty side effects but I’m also bought club 13 bottle from health store. Says it’s a mix of mirygna speciosa and leaf extracts. I took 6 capsules and a tablespoon of black seed oil which really changed the kratom game for me personally. I was taking black seed oil separately from kratom after finding its insane health benefits and when dosing both close together on accident I was really buzzing…enough to look up interactions of the 2 to find i found gold! I don’t know much about club 13 product other than its expensive!!!! So I need to find a reputable website.

          1. KatDan

            ffonzones, I also just got off the methadone, I slept ok if I used 7-9 grams about an hour before bed, also try using a night time sleep aid from the drugstore. I’m getting about 5-6 hours of good sleep before things wear off and up and out of bed I come! Keep on keepin’ on! NO ONE should ever have to go through the methadone HELL, Gimme a heroin kick any day! lol. Kratom works, just have to make sure you use enough. Us addicts usually over do everything, why not kratom??? I found a table with high, low tolerance and what you should probably use. It said 7-9 grams for High so F*** it, that’s where I started and it worked. Peace, and good luck, with your life’s freedom again!

          2. Rob

            How bad is methadone wd compared to buprenorphine? I have gone through bupe twice with the help of kratom and it honestly was a walk in the park as long as I took the same dosage every 4-6hrs on the dot. I came off 4mg each time too lol. Anyways I was just wondering if you knew. Thanks.

        2. graham Blundell

          Agreed 1000%

          1. LeeAnna19

            My sister’s took methadone for over 9 yrs, she has been in and out of the hospital with pancreatitis at least 7 times, she has damage to her heart from methadone, she had a needs infection and lost all her teeth because of methadone. When she started going to a pain clinic they told her that her dose was at a leathal level, they weaned her down and started her on morphine, she got on suboxone to get off morphine. Sub didn’t help withdrawal any, now she’s using a small dose of kratom once daily. Me I’m on 60 mg of morph 2x a day I have cut out one dose and only take a break through dose of the kratom isn’t helping which is rare. I take a small dose of kratom in the afternoon and before I go to bed with a muscle relaxer and a couple of benadryl. I wake up about 6am some nights are better than others, but I would rather do kratom then have a Dr. Hold that damn pill bottle over my head and the me I have to have injections in my back and neck or they won’t give me my meds. I’m hoping to be off completely in a few months, I’ve been on opioids for over 20 years, I have fibro, 2 knee replaced, a curve in my spine, compressed vertebrae and disks, spinal stenosis, abscess in my spine, and the list goes on, but hopefully not opioids very soon

        3. Jaqie

          Agree with Justin! Please don’t ever recommend someone to get into a methadone clinic!

        4. Pamela

          I agree ☝️ I see people taking it on sidewalks of NYC they’re drooling on themselves and half asleep . Also, Rots teeth !

        5. Jimmy

          Ive been on subs for years as long as you taper you will be fine….day 2 you will already start feeling better. Kratom helps..but like I said just take a tiny peice of a sub once a day for a week or two and then stop and you will be just fine..the first day off is the worst by far. I know been there done that.

      2. Euro P. Ahne III

        Lol, wanna go ahead and take the safety off and cock the hand back before ya hand over that .22 pistol to any truely desperate opiate addict in truely horrific DT’s, there, buddy? Bc all that complete idiocity of your comment is pointing straight to that poor boy or girl who gets trapped in an endless cycle of greed, lust, possessed insanity to grapple in the stage 4 terminal cancer of the mind that is Active Addiction? Methadone only gives addicts a false sense of hope then promptly locks them into an even more fatal drug addiction which from there leads to subs and if you’re lucky enough to kick that one before it kills you, inadvertently or otherwise, you stay off subs long enough where you can shoot up whatever drug is pictured in any addicts mind, recovered recovering or active as their go to sweet spot of euphorian bliss. Someone throat punch him before or if nothing hasn’t happened yet the methadone hasn’t led to meth, crack, heroin, etc.

        1. Rob

          Are you saying bupe OR methadone will end up killing you in the long run? How so?

        2. ronnie

          Amen brother

    2. Ryan K

      I’d say 5-8 grams if you have a slight tolerance go with 3-4 if you new to kratom. It’s best to get a mix of red and green vein in my opinion.

    3. chellyc

      Just a comment on the marijuana remark, you may think you “almost died” or whatever, but the FACT is that marijuana in any dose has NEVER in the history of marijuana, killed ANYONE! Marijuana is the safest out of any of the substances being discussed, obviously inhaling any form of smoke, even if it’s just burnt paper, is bad for you, but it’s the smoke not the marijuana, you can eat it too. I just had to clarify that, I hate seeing people that just tried it and had a bad experience say that it almost KILLED them and shit like that, it just wasn’t meant for you, that’s OK, don’t smoke it again, but save the dramatics for real drugs like crack and shit

      1. Becka

        Ask yourself where it came from and if it was around or mixed with other substances. Happens every day.

        1. Heather

          I am coming off bup and I am NOT taking Keaton right to get me to sleep OR to help with withdrawals during the day. I took way too much and it made me so shaky and dizzy ONE time so got nervous. But I obviously take too little during the day. I take like 4 capsules of green strain.
          It doesn’t help.
          What strain, kind, dosage is recommended. I am SICK of being dependent on bup. Btw….I have been on 16 mg a day for 5 years. Yes….it is a LOT. Please help.

          1. Jess

            Heather (or anyone?!) did u figure out what was best to take? I take two 8mgs subutex ea day too (morning n midday), and been since Jan 2012. I was apparently scheduled for my next appt like 2wks past my prescription. When I realized, I tried to contact dr and he was out for two days b4 weekend. Now I’m out and of course panicking, and bc I am not in ‘that’ lifestyle anymore… I’ve been searching for answers. Want to go get some Kratom while the stores are open but clueless what I should get/how much to take. I’m searching everywhere and just getting more confused… if you see this, could you please advise?! Thank you so much!!

      2. Beverly OMalley

        Marijuana did not “almost kill” me BUT it did lower my IQ by about 50 points and remove any and all motivation until I was severely depressed (diagnosed by a psychiatrist). It did absolutely nothing for pain…NOTHING! Switch to another strain led to severe allergic reaction even though I was only sucking the oil off the end of a toothpick 3 times per day. I got more stoned from the massive doses of Benadryl I had to take than I ever did from Cannabis.
        Even though I am pro-legalization of Cannabis it is NOT for everyone and for me it was NOT the panacea advocates suggested it would be. As I traveled down the road of chronic pain options were running out and I was very, very disappointed with my cannabis experience.
        Kratom does everything for me that I expected from Marijuana without any adverse psychotropic effects at all AND it does not need to be smoked so your lungs are safe.

    4. Night Shade

      Don’t get on methadone friend, I’ve been chained to it for over 4 years now & am fighting like hell to get off. I’ve been super braving it cuz I want off so bad so I’ve gone down 1mg a day from 98mg to today will be 58mg non-stop, I got kratom cuz I want to just stop the methadone cold turkey all at once from 50mg w/help from kratom but I’m not sure I can. I’m 5’2 115lb female my highest dose of methadone was 120mg. The process of getting off methadone is long, drawn out, painful, & really ugly & this is coming from someone who has been lucky with my taper. Methadone got me off heroin, but chained me to itself for years, my mom killed herself at 50 years old with her addiction to methadone + other opioid pain meds, I even was forced to stay on the methadone when I got pregnant, by the clinic & doctors & my daughter Eternity was born on methadone too, healthy & full term by the grace of God, but my newborn daughter had to be tapered off f’in methadone a few weeks after birth. They kept her on it at a small dose for a while before tapering her. Seeing this was a soul-shattering experience. I doubt the kratom will help me much, I could be very wrong, however, from me 2 u, DON’T GET ON METHADONE. No offense 2 anyone out there on methadone, believe me, I’ve been there for years & I understand, I just wanted 2 share my personal experience is all, I would be a hypocrite 2 judge. I know the people @ my clinic here in San Diego have been there many years some lifers u could say & have no intention of ever getting off, they all think I’m crazy 4 pushing myself so hard so fast 2 do it. They are right, it is awful, but I’m determined 🙂 God Bless, hope u worked it out. Anyways, I’m taking red vein kratom about 5 grams at a time due to my already high tolerance from methadone, it’s not doing the trick but I’m not giving up on it yet I’ll try a lil more then decide if it’s worth it. I get fom mmmspeciousa, the red vein is the way to go.


        I had been in methadone for 6 years for back pain from a car accident. I decided about 2 months ago that I was done taking it, so I tapered on my own from 50mg at 5mg a week or so. I took the last 5mgs i had last thursday. I was hurting but okay on Friday, but Saturday I started having withdrawls. Sunday I went down to a cigar shop and bought some Kratom just to see if it would help. I will tell you one thing, it does work. I have had no real feelings of withdrawls at all, since starting Kratom. I can take 4-5g in the afternoon, and not need to redose until the next afternoon. When I did go through withdrawls, the best way to describe them is like my muscles would just shake. Imagine having Restless Leg Syndrome but over your whole body. The Kratom helps so much more than I ever would of thought. Since getting hurt 6 years ago, I would get no more than 1 to 2 hours of sleep a night, even taking the methadone. Since I started Kratom I have slept a full 8 hours, so now I am well rested but more tired during the day, because my I am not used to actually sleeping. My plan was to only use it long enough to keep the withdrawls at bay. But I may use it sporadically after then.

        1. John Davis

          I need help getting off suboxone im down to .8mg 1 time a day. I try taking Kratom the next day to curve my withdrawls when they start to kick in and it does nothing. Does anyone know how long until I will be able to feel Kratom ??

      2. Kevbear

        Please, Please, Please Don’t Get on Methadone, It almost killed me, I was on 200mg’s a day and jumped off because I lost my job and couldnt afford it. It almost killed me. My bones felt like glass and I had a fever of 104. I almost died, I had a sezuire and had to be taken to the ER

      3. Chillin Anderson

        ….. hi there I also was on methadone Billy two days before they had overdosed me on and I am outside kids.. When I said was hi there I also was on methadone Billy today’s before they had overdosed me on that shit and I am at I in my size kids without a mother.. When I got see mergency room the first thing the doctor said was my name and asked why was I trying to hurt myself and I remember thinking thank God my way from with all to the side say if she wasn’t trying to hurt a cell she was trying to help his help if then does a get enough opiates that what the sky for her but I hope is in and then she got a dictator one and now you’re blaming have for this I use f****** crazy but luckily he was a little more children that happen then how I’m explaining it but still the guy was really am asshole at the emergency room and then I had another doctor within 20 power with on the ICU came out instead to me what the hell did you do DSL and I yell to a nervous which I’m not long we like that to tell that and dark that to get the hell out of my room after its I asked to do it. If he had jerk to begin with and cheese with Brittany yes he is a jerk so good to show you these people that I still call perfection late range in even be in the world up having a license to practice rehabilitation for people now in my suboxin and I want the hell off alone sex costing me and I’m in away Beechmont and I’m on quote my don’t see any of the high this getting me so that they talk about and I’m having awful dad Pete paying I only some cough the say but only have a few left that need to come out very badly and I was hoping to do that soon but I don’t want to be in pain cuz I would be nervous when I had a c-section it and I was on Sunday a a text.. And I didn’t get no we leave from Lafayette 2 hours before it it would even some up kicked in nobody won me about that kind of pain I didn’t even think I can look do that and that was 5 and a half to use ago with my 6 baby any Hill I’m also going to a change of wanting peoples understand that they had now taking away children from Dr addiction dependency behavior parents and I hate that’s unfair and I’m trying to get the word out there that this is what it’s going on with me right now… And also a article on about Senator Nancy Schaefer … my intentions is not to scare people but to make people more aware of what’s happening out there.. And what they are doing to keep children from being with their real families in the ones that still want to care for Them..thatIstilllove them if you read it out of coal about sent it to Nancy Schaefer that to ask you about what they are doing to keep children from being with it parents who really still love them and care for them in a family that still want some and I have quite a bit of time quotes on people that I had some cases I don’t take other people’s stories unless they really have an impact of getting will betta.. I try to stay away from those ones without a positive outcome because to me the whole Rehabilitation is to help positive .. so don’t get offended if you don’t sad stories I had to me… I just want the Story 2 be well on the positive side of Rehabilitatio.. please look me up on Facebook at Julie Anderson and you’ll find me on the and I have quite a bit of stories I’m a lot about Rehabilitation on medication.. Help Quotes DHS Child Protective Services .. positive stories on people that I had uphill battle with problems but found a way to help themselves and their families..I don’t quite take other people stories unless they really haven’t impact of getting better I try to stay away from real – negative ones.. I want ones to fill out a positive outcome because to me a spin on the whole rehabilitation is to help positive lesson this so don’t get offended if you don’t see all sad stories with no happy and then I had too many of those already… I’m trying to concentrate on the good I’m getting older myself .. I need to come out with us positive spin even if its not a hundred percent… Thank you JGA

        1. Sarah

          What the F**** was this??? I hope you not high anymore!!! Stick to kratom

        2. ronnie

          Your quite the writer there Anderson. Well maybe when your not out of your but you probably got here just like alot of us. Looking for answers on kratom. So its a good thing. Not judging, I’m the last that can do that.

        3. Rebecca


      4. kylie

        i truly hope you and your baby girl are doing well.

        1. KMarie

          Hi! I’m tapering off Suboxone from 16mg a day to .50mg, I feel like hell. I have kratom, the capsules (red Bali) and I told 6 and I felt worse. Any suggestions? 5’1” 105lbs. Thank you!

      5. Marc

        Hi there I was on 120 methadone my self I wanna just share my experience. I went off 120 mg cold turkey after 4 years now I already researched kratom amd I got red Bali amd green maemg dai from a very good source. I waited till about the 2nd morning and started the green at around 5 grams. At night I took the red at 7 grams
        And also I found to be important is what I call comfort meds. A sleeping med/maybe a benzo/possibly a stimulant for energy amd clonodine I can say for sure that half hour after my dose I was relieved from methadone and withdrawal 100 percent. Note. It’s very important to get comfort meds Amy safe ones u can get or not. Clonidine especially eliminates a lot of the withdrawal and also loperamide. But I can say GOOD sourced kratom took away most of my withdrawal from 120 mg methadone

  7. Matt T

    Just had my first Kratom experience. I took about 2.5 teaspoons of Mojo Bali. Idk how it compares to others, but I’m waiting another shoulder surgery and referred to pain management, so I’m stuck in between, and ran out of my prescription Norco last night. I was starting to feel like total hell, and in a short time, I feel great. The withdrawals are gone, my pain is under control, and I feel great mood wise. Any suggestions on dosing are more than welcome. I don’t have a scale. I have some Maeng Da to take during the day for work. Could use the advice.

    1. Johanna G

      Maeng Da is my personal favorite. I stopped opiates almost 2 years ago & haven’t looked back. I generally take 1/2 tbsp every 4-6 hours to manage pain and balance every day stress. Somewhat euphoric, MD gives you lots of energy and great pain relief. Note: white & green strains are more stimulating/energetic vs red/brown can be more relaxing. The more you take, the more sedative it can be. Good luck! 🙂

    2. Dina

      I just bought manga da capsules to help me get off of suboxone . Do you know how many I need to take to feel normal? Not high or anything , just to be able to do stuff around the house , not hate life , and feel like shit lol..???

  8. Fat Chants

    hey just because I never see this said anywhere and I’ve found it super easy and swift, I mix a dose, usually 4-6g of powdered kratom in grapefruit juice and shake it and down it. no problem. it’s not nearly as offensive tasting as tea or any other way I’ve tried. and grapefruit juice can prolong its effects.

  9. lamechellephotog

    I have been using Kratom for about three years off and on for pain relief from tooth issues like abscesses. Having no insurance and stuck with dental issues. Also using it for relief from rheumatoid arthritis joint and muscle relief again having no prescriptions whatsoever to help, I thank God I researched and discovered Kratom.

    I started out using Bali, then used the Maeng da capsules awhile. I’m just starting to try the red vein borneo powder today and whoa! I can immediately tell the difference in this strain. For me it’s more sedative quicker and better at pain management which I like I don’t need much. I put a fourth of a tsp in about a cup of applesauce with cinnamon and sugar to taste. It worked fabulously in masking the bitter and gritty taste. I saw the recommendation on another forum and I am definitely gonna stick with it. The knocking it back with juice thing, ughhh it just wasn’t for me. There are a lot of methods out there from brewing tea to doing it in juice but this to me is a great one. Fast and easy. I have a bit of nausea rare times when I do it on empty stomach as recommend but otherwise I love this wonderful herb! Its truly been a godsend! 💜💜💜

    1. K

      Applesauce sounds like a perfect way to get the powder down! I just tried orange juice and it was awful.

    2. Bruve

      Buy some gelatin capsules from wall mart or vitamin store. 00 solaray caps hold almost a gram packed properly.

    3. Barbara Frybarger

      Why don’t you have insurance? The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). was passed to help people like you. Because I have an income, my cost for insurance went up, and I would like to know it is helping others.

  10. Kayt

    I don’t currently own a scale, but will get one soon. Anybody know the converted weight TO grams of 1 tablespoon of Red Vein Sumatran? As well as 1 teaspoon of Sumatran into grams? Thanks! Keep Kratom legal!!!

  11. Jennifer

    I am looking for another strain to add. I presently take red Bali and SUPER GREEN MALAYSIAN with good effects. I have also tried Maeng Da and a few White stains with no effects. Any suggestions on a strain that will give me lots energy with clarity and focus?

    1. tanya

      Jennifer, I find that the White Borneo gives me quite a bit of noticeable energy. I have fibro with chronic fatigue syndrome and after I take about 1.5 to 2 TEASPOONS within about 20 minutes I’m able to do much more than previously and feel like doing it. I’ve had amazing results with Borneo white…I’m currently mixed Green Maeng da with White Borneo and I can see an increase in energy with more clarity…honestly…great stuff. HOpe this helped. tanya

    2. Nino

      Try the meng de white strains. there should be the most energetic. It is real important that you are getting it from a good source. My first thought when you said the white strains had no effect was that you didn’t get a good batch, but everyone’s body chemistry is different. If you are getting them from a head shop they probably are not very good, and can be cut with undesirables. Give the Meng De White vine another shot and remember for energy less is more.

  12. C.B.

    I highly recommend buying a capsule filling device (Ebay is your best bet, Amazon does not carry them) and a small inexpensive digital scale (Amazon IS your friend, in this case) if you decide that kratom is for you. The taste of kratom is utterly, absolutely DISGUSTING. For my first attempt at consuming powdered kratom leaf, I followed some (terrible) advice on an online forum and mixed it into a cup of peach flavored yogurt. That was, without a doubt, the most disgusting thing I’ve ever forced myself to eat. Any trace of flavoring in the yogurt is obliterated and you’re left with a gritty, intensely bitter green sludge to force down your throat. I still can’t believe that I didn’t vomit, and I have a pretty strong stomach.

    After that, I used the simple toss-and-wash method for a while, using orange juice for the “wash” stage as it seems to be fairly effective at cleansing most (most, not all) of the bitterness out of your mouth. That was better than the yogurt, but still an unpleasant enough experience that I dreaded taking kratom. I finally caved in and bought the capsule machine (“00” size) on Ebay. I think it cost about $25 or so, I can’t remember exactly. It’s a fiddly thing and it takes a lot longer to fill a single batch of 24 caps than the 2 minutes claimed by the manufacturer, but it’s worth it to avoid that repugnant kratom taste. I use the digital scale ($10) to weigh the kratom caps after filling. I usually end up with around .6 to .8 grams per “00” sized capsule, if I really pack the kratom in there.

    You can buy kratom already in capsules, but your selection is severely limited and you’ll be paying far more per gram than you need to.

  13. Stacey

    Thank goodness for this conversion chart! I too am new to Kratom and it is truly a miracle in helping with opiate withdrawl. This was easy for me to use because I don’t have a scale so I have been taking a tablespoon in the morning. I tried the toss and wash method which was just not happening! Now I mix it with orange juice…of course you can still taste it but at least I can get it down!!

  14. David

    This is great info because some people give their dosages in teaspoons and it’s good guidance.

    That said, I second Jared and highly recommend that you invest in a good tenth-gram scale (they’re available for under $20) and measure, since it depends on strain, how ground it is, etc.

  15. Dora

    To the newbies here a few tips.
    First of all, I encourage you to take Kratom to get off opiates. I myself was on the vicious cycle of prescription painkillers (all legal, I am a cancer patient).
    I had enough of the constant struggle and labeling.
    Here is my dosage suggestion that has worked miracles for me. No withdrawal symptoms at all from day one:
    Mix two teaspoons of regular (not enhanced) Kratom in some water, just enough to be able to drink it all in one go. Add some frozen limeade or lemonade. Let sit for five minutes, then stir to get rid of the dry parts. Then drink it all in one go and wash with fruit, like a piece of watermelon, which works for me.
    That is usually a safe dosage. And it really does work.

    1. lllisa

      Bless you for leaving this message Dora. I am almost feeling absolved of the label society forces in me because I take pain pills. They act as though actually bring in pain is just an excuse for being a junky and they areally wrong but they are not budging. It was amazing to see someone who gets it

      1. Mandie

        I just recieve my kratom today. I too am a chronic pain patient that is fed up past my eyeballs with the stress and labeling of pain mgt. I’m praying this works for me. For I have chronic RA and Fibromyalgia. I REFUSE to go back to a pain clinic. So tired of them treating me as if I got up one morning and decided I was going to be sick.

    2. Beverly OMalley

      Also using Kratom for chronic pain. I mix it with a small amount of water until it is all wet and just down it quickly. I have heard others use applesauce or mashed banana to get it down.
      I have been able to reduce oxycodone dose by 75% with no withdrawal ( it wasn’t working anymore anyway)

      Started with 2 gms and now take at least 1/2 tablespoon 2-3 times per day and over a tablespoon at night which really helps with sleep (red vein variety). This plant is doing for me what I though marijuana would do. It just evens things our from a pain perspective but does NOT affect my intelligence or motivation in any way. (Prior to becoming extremely allergic to cannabis it made me very depressed and very stupid).

      Now I have hope that I will see the end of regular opiate use. Using Kratom allows ME to be in control. I do NOT have to be under the control of someone else as a gateway to my medicine. When and if I decide to come off it I can manage it myself…no more pain clinic… more doctors …no more contracts/agreements….no more urine tests etc.

      It is really important to have a good supplier and I have found a good one that ships good product quickly AND this stuff is legal in my country.

      I could NOT find any natural health practitioner that knew anything about this plant. It is NOT in herbal formularies for Chinese medicine or British Botanical medicine because it is Indonesia so you have to do your own research and become your own expert.
      Forums like this are necessary and have taught me a lot. We have to keep helping each other!

      1. Jacqueline Aguilera

        Same same. I totally agree with your post. I’m trying to get off fentanyl patches 3-100s which I have been on for 16 years buto I need help using the Kramtom. I need a legit seller who I can order from because I can try getting off patch but by day two the withdrawal is so intense I go put a patch on. It’s controlling my life because can’t ever take vacation go swimming do anything that I used to love to do. Now Dr wants to retire gut wants me to get a surgery I don’t want butter if I don’t do it he said he was gonna stop my meds. Had so many surgeries that have failed I just don’t want to go through another. My email address is [email protected] please help. I have a family who doesn’t really give a shit how I feel all my husband used to say was go take a pill my kids don’t understand what and how I feel so they constantly except me to be wonderwoman. Then my husband got diabetes with neuropathy and had to go to pain management then he finally started to notice me again butter not for me butter my meds since he was taking his so fast. I just want a life my life back. This way I can have a fresh start on everything. I already told my husband it’s over for us as soon as we can both get over the withdrawals. His Dr stopped his medicine cold turkey for failing a piss test. So he wants my meds which I hide everywhere in my house because Im trying to get off my meds myself so I need mine in case something goes wrong. Anyways I would appreciate help with the Kramom as in how much to take how many times a day and tge best place to purhase. Hopefully I can receive your help it’ll be much appreciated. Thank you graciously jacqueline

    3. David

      Dora, for how long did you take the Kratom to get off the opiates? Were you able to just stop taking the Kratom? Or was there a dependency/withdrawal from that as well? I’ve been taking fentanyl for about a month. Also cancer related. Severe nerve regrowth pain but I’m already noticing withdrawal symptoms when I stop after about 12-14 hours. I had to go to rehab last year after being on fentanyl for a little over 6 months due to cancer surgeries and treatments. I’m terrified of going through that again. Any help or insight you can provide would be so greatly appreciated 🙏🏽 Thank you

  16. Tina

    Just received my capsules of Kratom 500mg capsules to get off of opiates. Need to know how much to take

    1. Barbara Shirley

      Let me know

  17. Janette

    I bought 2 WVI and received samples of GM & RVT. 10 g and 25 g. Well, it was all I could do not to vomit. I have read all comments and maybe I mix it up wrong? No directions and was wondering how? I am newby, go figure. Bought it from Mmm…S. Trying to get off opiates, to be truthful. Heard alot about Kratom. So, I thought I would try it. Had surgery about 2 months ago and the laws have changed here, after the Surgeon gets his cut, then that’s that. I do not want to go to a psychiatrist, to get Suboxone. That’s the only way you can get it here. Then, that’s just another drug to withdrawal from. Tired of it. Any help would be great? What about kratom mang dae? Thanks!

    1. Vicky Morgan

      If you do not have problems digesting stuff (I do, so can’t do this), you can buy a capsule machine (I did) & make them & no taste. You have to take about 18 capsules to equal approximately 1 tablespoon of Kratom. I do not recommend extracts, but pure, ground Kratom leaf. The Red Vein kind is what is recommended for pain control, but it works like the green, white, & yellow leaf, just works better for pain control. The Horned Maend Da is also a Red Vein. Just because some are listed as ‘Super’, or ‘Premium’ does not necessarily mean it is a superior product. I have been experimenting with it for pain control & mood enhancement, which I was taking Xanax & Norco for years & my doctor got the great idea to take me off cold turkey. Nice, huh? This stuff saved my sanity I’m sure. I mix about a tablespoon in a few ounces of warm water, either let it set for about 5 minutes & it will seep in, or mix vigorously & it will mix in… Slam it down (kinda gritty & tastes like crap, but gets it over fast), rinse with a bit more warm water so as not to waste any, drink it down. I think coffee pairs well & gets the taste ruout of your mouth, but sometimes I rinse & spit too. Some Strains are more gritty than others & trial & error are the only way to know & some are stonger (or not) tasting, though I’ve never found any that tastes good. It’s worth it. If your digestive system works correctly, you should notice a difference in 20 minutes max, & if it doesn’t, within an hour for sure (not capsules, they take some people longer to digest). You cannot OD on this stuff. Uf you take too much, you will likely vomit or get a headache. If that happens, trt taking a little less next time. I went from taking more-than-prescribed pain meds to taking this stuff 2 times a day with absolutely no craving for prescription pills. Plus the pain pills never took my pain away 100%, but Kratom does, at least the Red Vein ones do, the others a bit, but tge Reds, definitely. Good luck to you. I hope I covered it all. Oh, I buy mine from a trusted vendor, their products are pure, with no additives. They do have a rewards program, so if you try them, I believe both you & I get 500 ‘points’ worth 5 bucks towards purchasing. The way for me to get referral points is:

      1. tanya

        Vicki thank you for your post…I seem to get so sleepy with the reds and I, like yourself use Kratom for pain management. I’ve found that if I mix white borneo and red maeng da together they do a pretty good job with pain, but has NEVEr took all my pain away…but I’m able to function thank God. I’m going to try Kratomunderground…sounds like I may switch since your pain is gone completely. I use minimum order is one kilo but all for 100.00 and you can mix/match. There Boreno and maeng da is fabulous…anway thanks Tanya

        1. S. Larson

          I tried kratom for the first time today. I think we all can agree that there is nothing out there that’s perfect, but I was surprised at how well it worked. It did not take all the pain away but it made things comfortable. I’m excited to try mixing different types. Let’s keep kratom legal!!!

    2. Pennie

      I’m finally able to take kratom for opioid withdrawals and pain management after a load of mistakes and confusion. 1. Scoop the powder in a measuring spoon. Use 1 tsp-2 tsps. If you get a headache, you took too much. 2. Flip the spoon over on your tongue and bang it lightly in your bottom teeth. 3. Chase it down with something you like and can gulp. I use bottled tea. 4. Capsules take longer and are weaker. Good for travel. God bless! It’s fabulous medicine.

      1. Barbs

        Thanks for that advice. I’m new to kratom and am trying it because I’m sick of being in pain and also fighting doctors who can’t fix my back pain (many issues, including compression fractures, bulging disc, arthritis and neck surgery 8 years ago). I’ve had two non-effective steroid injections and now the doc says I can’t take as much vicodin and the injections didn’t work! So….my goal is to try kratom and go slowly at first, just to see if it helps with my pain. Question: Do ya’ll recommend telling the doctor you’re taking this, or will that just make him/her freak out and take away the small amount of vicodin I already am on? Thank you! (My first thought is to stay silent, but I’m wondering how others have handled this.)

        1. Pashta

          I was wondering if I should mention it to my pain doc, too. It’s not illegal, it’s not an opiate, it’s basically just a supplement so I don’t think we have to say anything if we don’t want to.

          I’ve only had one dose so far and it was too weak but seemed to help with my back pain a little. I’m hoping when I increase the next one it’ll be much better.

        2. Ainedo

          I tell all my docs about it. You need to break up your week with Kratom and opioids if you use both as cross tolerance is a real pain in the butt. They don’t potentiate one another but instead one will cancel the other out and that will build a tolerance. Usually it’s the opiate that gets the tolerance.

          You can mix with OJ and it’s supposed to take nearly all of the bitter taste away. I put the powder on my tongue and wash down with as much water as it takes. It’s just easiest.

          It’s a good idea to be straight with your doc about it. I have three different autoimmune diseases and one is an orphan disease that’s on the top ten most painful list. I gave up on the medical system and was just barely getting by. Now it’s better. I’m having a bitch of a flare that isn’t being touched by the K but I only have a Maeng Da that’s not great for pain. :/

          1. Beverly OMalley

            I started Kratom and did NOT tell my doctor. Honestly ….you should know more about your treatment than your doctor anyway.
            The first day I went a full 24 hours without any Oxycodone and no withdrawals, however, I did take too much Kratom and got headaches and itchy so I stopped it for a while, but was pleased to see what it could do. The next time I started it I went slowly (starting at 2 gm) and substituted a Kratom dose for my usual Oxy dose. I have had no problem reducing the oxycodone and my doctor is so thrilled! (HA)
            If I can keep the Oxy down to 10 mg per day or every other day I can probably keep the prescription, but even if it is stopped I know that I am not stuck!
            Kratom does NOT relieve pain like the Oxy did BUT it does help even things out. I am much, much better than I was when I started the Oxy (chronic back) but doc was freaking out because Oxy use was regular and going up because of increasing tolerance. Now he is happy that it is coming down.
            We are BOTH happy.

          2. Ahuva

            Are you sure not to mix? I am being weaned down from patches. Still at to high of dose to quit cold. To scared to alternate
            At 100 mcg phentyl. Should i wait to try kraton. The pain is starting to get to me but not knife stabbing yet. This was the first I heard about cross tolerance. Also scared to talk to new Dr because of the news media

      2. Cheryl

        Today will be my first day trying kratom. For no opiods. Trying avoid withdrawals and still want euphoria. Going to smoke shop and don’t have alot to spend. What’s the best thing I can get? Please help. New and feeling confused about choices

  18. Jared

    Hi Tammy,

    Honestly, it’s worth spending about 10 bucks on a decent scale. I got an AWS (American Weigh Scale) for 9 dollars or so. Very small, and accurate. I weighed a LEVEL teaspoon from several vendors, different strains, all came up at 2.5 grams. So, a teaspoon is always 2.5 grams, right? Unfortunately, no. You have to factor in things like moisture content and so forth. I decided to re-weigh the same strains, different shipments, so presumably different batches and guess what? 2.4, 2.6, 2.7 and so on. I calibrate the scale weekly too. A teaspoon may be convenient, but accuracy is super important, especially if you know that strain rotation is essential to combat tolerance and avoid SSS (same, or stagnant strain syndrome). Good luck.

    1. Cathy

      How much is everyone spending every month on their Kratom? I’m just trying to get just an average ball park idea is all. I know everyone is different but if some of you could just give me some what of an idea… I would truly appreciate it. Thanks.

      1. Joe Hutchisin

        $20 to $30 a week

  19. TAMMY

    I have been using the White Veil and the Red trying to see if I am using the correct dose I use a teaspoon so say 3 grams??

    1. Angela Hill

      I have been on subs for 16 months trying to come off of them what is the best way

      1. Jelly Bean

        So glad that I’m free today if that kratom *addiction*. God, without actually realizing it I lost 80 pounds within a year — not good (for me). I became a highly irritable, paranoid skeleton who spoke like 300 words per second. What a mess. That was nearly 4 years ago. Today if I even think of shoving that nasty powder (kratom) down my throat I get nauseated. Just thinking of it. Good riddance.

      2. Elissa Tucker

        Hi. Wondering if you were successful coming off of Suboxone? I am wanting to use Kratom to come off of it. Did you by chance do that? Thanks so much for any advice

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