Strains And Effects

Countless people across the world are learning about kratom in 2020. With so many strains, its important to understand which strain is right for you. Unlike synthetic opioids, kratom’s chemical composition is complex, and the effects of this composition are dynamic.

Its main alkaloids are mitragynine, paynanthine, speciociliatine, and the more minor 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-HMG). Kratom’s neurochemical complexity is echoed in its physiological effects.

It is generally understood that at low doses (< 1 gram), kratom “can boost energy and enhance mood,” whereas at higher doses kratom is sedating, and may have anxiolytic qualities.

The following table serves as a comparative base for some of the most popular strains of kratom on the market.

Click on any strain below to find more information:

Ground Leaf Strains

StrainsEffectsDosage
BaliAn ideal balance of pain relief and energy boost. Bali works somewhat differently than a traditional red kratom. Bali helps achieve a gentle energy boost while maintaining the pain relief expected of a red. Euphoric and the most classic opiate like among the strains of kratom.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Maeng DaEnergizing and stimulating with pain killing effects. Maeng Da takes the normal pain relieving properties of a red strain and adds a nice energetic kick because of it’s specific alkaloid properties.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Red BaliSimilar to Bali with some red characteristics. This is a known as a versatile strain.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Red Vein ThaiSimilar to Bali with a more classic red strain effects.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Red Vein KaliSedating and more classically opiate like. Red Kali is a more traditional red kratom offering pain relief & relaxation.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Red IndoSimilar to Red Kali and many other traditional strains. Red Indo is a more tame red vein strain and is often touted as ideal for mild pain relief and relaxation.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Green IndoBalances pain relief and energy boosting qualities. The combination of alkaloids in Green Indo creates a longer lasting milder effect although there is not as high of a concentration of alkaloids as SGM.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Green MalayThis original variety of Malaysian Kratom is well known for its mood-lifting, energizing effects.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Green Vein KaliA stimulating strain which also has painkilling attributes. Green Kali delivers a strong boost of energy without sacrificing any of the sought after pain relief effects. It is know for have a higher potency than Green Indo.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
White Vein KaliMore euphoric or dissociating. White Vein Kali is a milder white strain known for its energizing qualities – when compared to Red Vein Kali – while still containing notable pain relief qualities. .1/2 – 3 teaspoons
White Vein ThaiWhite Thai may be the most stimulating of all white strains. There are however less pain relieving attributes than a red vein strain or a strain similar to Bali as a trade off.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
White Vein IndoSimilar to Red Indo which is best known for its pain relief attributes. However White Vein Indo differs from the calming Red Indo by bringing a euphoric dissociative kick with it.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
White BorneoKnown as a uniquely high quality white strain of kratom. It has known for its long lasting, energizing effect.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Super Green MalaysianKnown for its unique ability to combine the characteristic pain relieving properties of a red strain with the energy and euphoria boost of a white strain. SGM also has some of the longest lasting effects of any kratom with smooth delivery due to the high concentration of alkaloids.1/2 – 3 teaspoons

Kratom Extracts

StrainsEffectsDosage
Ultra Enhanced IndoMost euphoric of the extracts and works well for reducing social anxiety. UEI manages to contain a full range of effects including pain relief & relaxation with a slight energy and mood boost.1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
Gold Reserve ExtractPowerful extract made by applying highly concentrated kratom alkaloids back to natural kratom leaf. Gold Reserve is a highly potent extract providing a blend of stimulation and pain relief while providing full body relaxation with a notable energy boost.1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
ISOL-8 ExtractISOL-8 is an outlier and has caffeine like stimulation. ISOL-8 uniquely focuses in on the energy and stimulating effects of kratom while other extracts generally bring out a broader range of effects.1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
Ultra Enhanced Red KaliThis extract is made by blending pure alkaloids from Red Vein Kalimantan leaf with high quality Red Kali leaf. This is not made with semi-synthetic chemicals but only all natural kratom leaf alkaloidal extract.1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
Natural Enhanced True ThaiMade from taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction of Thai Kratom and reapplied to a Green Vein Thai leaf. This extract is a high potency version of classic Thai kratom strains notable for a mild energy boost with significant pain relief & relaxation effects.1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
Natural Enhanced White SumatraCreated by taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction from white vein kratom and mixing it with White vein leaf. This reformulation results in a more potent version of white vein kratom with significant pain relief and relaxation effects.1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)

This Post Has 1,569 Comments

  1. Ana

    I like the buzz just 2.5 mg of liquid oxycodone gives, anymore than that and I puke and get too tired. What I really like about that dose is that it gives me a calm super energy. Sounds like an oxymoron but to give context: about 30 mins after taking the liquid I get a fuzzy feeling and get super motivated. I will clean my whole house, do tons of physically demanding yard work, exercise etc. I am able to focus and just feel good! What strain, dose, supplier do you recommend for that kind of effect?

    1. Christina

      White Vein Thai or White Vein Bali. For me, it gives me energy like a natural, feel good energy! I was prescribed Vicodin 10/325 for pain but I enjoyed the boost that came with it. I was on it for years & was just tired of feeding my body (especially the liver) this crap so I learned a lot about Kratom & I love both previously mentioned. Bali white helps me with pain too.
      ***FYI…Every single person reacts differently to each strain of Kratom. Just because my 2 faves work for me, it may be completely different for you!***PLEASE DONT FORGET THIS** I dont want you to get disappointed. Kust keep trying diff strains. Hey, if you live in SE Virginia, I have thee BEST place for you to go!!

      1. Gene

        Where would you recommend going in SE Virginia?

      2. Gene

        Where would you recommend going in SE Virginia

      3. Matt

        Virginia beach?

    2. Wendy

      2.5 of what strain? I’m new to kratom and kava so I’m curious

  2. carl

    can someone answer my question or point me in the right direction please? i’ve had an open prescription for hydrocodone for 30 years for chronic pain due to shattered ankle from a car accident. addiction has never been a problem. i only take the pills when i need to dull the pain, which results in me having to refill my prescription maybe every 3 – 4 months or so. i want to stop taking the hydrocodone if this kratom might be a natural pain reliever of some sort. which strain seems to be more for pain relief than the others? thank you for any information.

    1. Shannon

      I’ve just started, but the red maeng da is what I tried my pain is gone! I’m honestly amazed tbh but next purchase will be red kali 🙂 hope this helps! I’m a recovering opiate user by the way!

    2. Travis

      You need to stick to the reds. Red Indo or red Thai, red meang da even. Red Sumatra is another good one for pain. You’ll be happy you made the change!

    3. Rebecca Webb

      I can say, my husband was addicted to hydrocodone for 7 years. He took over 200 pills a month. He successfully quit them with kratom. However, BEWARE. This is addicting. Now he is addicted to this and his behavior is similar to opioids. Let’s put it this way. Alcohol is legal. But in excess. It is dangerous, addictive, and lots of adverse health effects. Kratom is similar. It’s legal. But is addictive. Tolerance builds as well. So, in short. If you dont have an addictive personality, and have self control to stay within normal doses and use it like you would advil. It can be a good alternative to hydrocodone.

      1. Fateema

        That’s really something . I have been on tramadol for fibromyalgia and osteoarthritis on and off for 8 years or so. I do take the red strains of Kratom. Taking the red Bali right now because I do notice the pain subsides . Especially with muscle aches and tension. I’m taking the green for anxiety. However , I don’t see it as strong as hydrocodone or tramadol but more so… just enough? Your hubby may be use to having to take alot , as it’s a “mind over matter” thing with pain . It’s just strange for me to hear of a person becoming addicted to Kratom… unless there’s some kind of Kratom I don’t know about lol

    4. Erica

      Red vein helps with a lot of pain and has similar effects to opioids.

    5. Kathy

      Yes try red Bali. Many reds help with the discomfort of injuries and arthritis. I personally know red Bali is great for such discomfort.

    6. Jesse

      I would argue trying the white or the green as well. I always take green for pain as well as energy. Granted, everyone has a different experience due to the chemical make up of our bodies.

      I recommend you try all of the different types (i.e. green, white and red). Red is best known for pain relief and opioid withdrawal, but surprisingly, and based on research I have done recently, green Maeng Da is known to suffice for pain relief as well. My recommendations – white & green Maeng Da, Green Bali, White Indo.

      To provide some context, I deal with injuries from football, and I was once taking opioids recreationally (like an idiot), However, they were laced with fentanyl. I had no idea at the time, obviously, or I wouldn’t have touched them in the first place. When I was withdrawing, I took green and white strains regularly, and it helped substantially.

      I wish you the best of luck with finding a strain that works for you, and throughout your search I hope your pain subsides.

    7. Russ

      red vein bali is probably your best bet. It works great for my back pain, I’ve got bulging disks L2/L3. I was on oxycodone as well, and IF you do experience any withdrawal from the opiates, this will alleviate it for you. Just don’t take this everyday.

    8. Jessy

      I find the Bali white and red strains work most effectively – particularly with reducing withdrawals from opiates and bringing relaxation and balance. Do you live in the States?

    9. Tami

      I’ve had multiple back surgeries and chronic pain issues however I use Green Meang Da 3tsp in orange juice every 4hrs and I don’t have to take anything for pain!!!

  3. Joe Holloway

    Vietnam Kratom and red and green maenga da. Are the kinds I prefer. I just got green vein borneo for first time. Hope it helps, I’m coming off of about a month or so of doing about 4 or so of percocet 10s a day. Kratom doesn’t take away all the symptoms but helps you get through them. I can get concentrates but very expensive

  4. Brian

    I appreciate everyone’s post. It has really helped me. I have been on Suboxone for almost 9 years straight. My doctor was messing around to much and got in trouble ( so not a real doctor ) and I got stuck and went to buying them off the street. I’m just ready for this cycle to end. My wife and family deserve better. I will get off suboxone but take tabs to support the withdrawal but then I have to take so many, I get addicted to them. I’m trying to find the right dosage of K for me. Tomorrow will be day 3 with no suboxone once again. I pray I make it this time!!!

    1. Nicole

      Hi Brian, I was also on suboxone for 10 years. Never thought I’d be able to get off because gbe withdrawls were so bad. I started with 5 grams (10 capsules) of red maeng da morning and night and have been off subs for 6 months now with zero withdrawls. It is like being free again. Best of luck.

      1. Brian

        Hi. Suboxone is awful to get off of, a fact which the doctors will never tell you. I took it for a few years, and finally decided to start tearing my strips daily to titrate down. I wasnt aware of kratom at the time,(which i now take daily) but wanted to mention low doses of thc also helped greatly! Smoking or eating low dose marijuana will ease your desire for more suboxone when its effect starts to wear off. Adding cbd to your diet wouldnt hurt either, as it brings overall balance to your endocannabinoid system!

    2. Kiely Stephenson

      I’m cold turkey off suboxone. Day 2. What kratom product best helps you!?

    3. Larry

      Bro I did kratom malay (I was smoking Heroin And then went to Suboxone for about a week) then I ate like 6 then 3 (I know it’s a lot) but mannnnnnn it took the pain away and helped me sleep!!

    4. Fateema

      Yeah keep trying Brian. You sure you can’t wean off by at least 1 or 2 pills a day then increase on the Kratom ? All the best!

    5. Justin Smith

      Hey Brian, Justin here. Similar situation as yours. Been on subs for 3 years straight.(ex heroin addict) No insurance so going to the doc was out. On Kratom now. Maeng Dau White is my advice. Tried the capsules they worked. Now I just use a teaspoon in the morning of the raw powder in juice, and one in the afternoon. Financially it’s a better fit for me. I couldnt deal with the sleepless nights coming off the suboxone, so I gave it a try and was delighted in the results. Just an opinion is all. Best of luck in your journey !

  5. Sheila

    I have been on morphine and oxicodone ( high doses) for years I have a 6year old so energy is also very important. What would you suggest I try? I have to get off these medications, they aren’t fixing the problem, just giving me another. I want to try the kratom but have heard you have to find the right sights to order from what should I try and where do I get it? Please help!

    1. Amy Bouvier

      Try Bali. Opiate like pain relief and body high, and a familiar brief “nod” can be achieved at high doses. The most euphoric and a total anxiety crusher at moderate doses but I find I’m still very clear headed and energized. Maeng Da is a close second and is a bit more energizing, but lacks that classic opiate euphoria. I also like a smoke a tiny bit of pot with it and the relaxation is top notch.

      1. Kair

        does the Bali help with the pain relief? Thats why my husband takes the Oxy is for the pain relief and can’t get off of them without the pain relief he needs.

    2. Josh

      I wouldn’t overthink kratom when you just get into it. Each strain is different similarly to how marijuana is different per strain. Reddit best kratom supplier and you can look at people talk. I would alternate strains. This site does a good job indicating which have pain relieving qualities. (Most)

    3. Paulie

      First off that’s awesome that you want to get off them. I have been there also on unbelievable amounts of opioids for about 15 years because of my disease and 3 years ago with this opioid crisis I got put on a waiting list. I like green leaf kratom for a good mix of pain relief and a little energy but really they all seem to work really well. Here in Georgia you can find it at all the smoke shops and gas stations but you have to be careful what you buy there are not all the same. If you want a really good dose I buy the small shots and again I only one works really good but not sure if I can put the name on here.
      Wish You luck and trust me it gets better

    4. matthew hagel

      hi there sheila , i to have been on morphine an oxy’s , for 12 plus years , i have found that CBD OIL , HELPS ALOT WITH HELPING TO STOP TAKING BOth OF THEM , Iwas on 200mg’s morphine an 20 mg’s oxy , then the pain doc’s got to cuting them way down , there scared of the goverment ,so now i’m down 70%, 30 mor. 10 oxy twice a day , i can skip the nite mor an oxys all together, cbd cost a lot but it realy helps , so give it a try get the most potant one , 90 to 150 dollars or be sick , just sayin .

  6. Bill long

    I was taking 16 -18mg hydromorphone a day by crushing the needs and swallowing to defeat the time release and this didn’t give me any euphoria or drive to do anything well kratom saved my life what a joke these doctors are for hiding kratom from us, 30 years of opiates and now just use kratom

    1. Ashlie

      What one did you use?? I’m trying to get off opiates

      1. Mike

        Any of them will help you get off opiates Bali is a good one that what I used to get off lortab

      2. Barrett

        Hey Ashlie I’ve used Kratom to get off opiates and the most opiate like strain I found is red Bali. It gives you the same opiate like feeling without all the feinding. Treat it like opiates when you take it, for the energy and good feeling to be productive take a small dose, if it’s later in the night and you need to sleep/get a slight nod Take a larger dose.

        1. Natasha

          My Dr. has prescribed Tramadol- Acetaminophen, 37.5 – 325 mg after our Total hip replacement surgery, seven months ago.
          Am beyond ready to cease this pain med.

          Shall the White Vein strain possibly be a preferred alternative?

        2. Khristal

          If you don’t mind, what were you on? im currently taking soboxone and wanted to try Kratom to get off

      3. Kate

        When I got off oxy I started using Bali Gold kratom and I loved it. Definitely helped with w/d too.

    2. Frank

      Amen! They want to sell you the problem and the cure

  7. Expert Bert

    To settle the Oxycontin/Oxycodone argument – they are the same drug. Oxycontin is simply a brand name, while Oxycodone is the actual drug name.

    1. Becat Osz

      Yes, they’re the same base drug. However, oxycodone is short acting. (Add acetaminophen and you have Percocet.) Oxycontin is a brand name but it’s also an extended aka “continuous” release. Hence the “con” part of the brand name.

  8. Andy

    Shane I’m 38 and been on hydros since 18 and took myself off them. Pain paranoia, sickness, etc. All gone with white manga da Keaton I take 6 capsules a day and feel great I’m slowly trying to go down on those as well. Hope it helps

  9. Bopple

    I mix my dose (2-3g) with a small amount of orange or grapefruit juice with a whisk, drink then follow with another small glass of orange or grapefruit juice to chase. The powder taste does not bother me.

  10. erika Porter

    I got off all the drugs and methadone I was on for 14 years and I didn’t feel to great when I got up but as soon as I drank my kratom in 10 minutes I could feel relief. I suffer from fibromyalgia and neropathy and autoimmune disease chronic non stop miserable pain and when my husband introduce me to it as a pain reliever and anxiety relief I was bound to get my mom to try it she had been on pain medicine for over 30 yrs and she finally tried it n she said that the kratom helps her way more than any of the narcotics she once had been on for so long now she only takes kratom for pain relief and for her nerves u am so happy n grateful for kratom

    1. Stephanie

      what type of Kratom did you use

    2. Crystal

      What kratom do yall take? I have chronic pain as well.

    3. Michelle

      Hello. I have fibro too. I’m on cbd oil buts it’s so expensive…how does K compare in price to CBD 750 mg full spectrum? What type of K is good for fibro pain, anxiety and energy?

  11. Tasha

    I take White Thai for energy. I had my youngest son at 38. Being a mom of a toddler in my 40s is exhausting. Lol I don’t have the energy I had in my 20s like I did with my other 2. Kratom is a game changer! Only problem I have is I’ve built up a tolerance and have to keep taking more. I do give it a break for some time but still have to take pretty high doses to get any effects. Whats another good strain for energy?

    1. Anron

      White Maeng Da and White Thia are my go to. White Maeng Da is more energetic.

      1. Raq

        Looking for a reputable website to purchase. Firsr timer attempting to detox from sub. Would appreciate any tips and guidance. Definitely looking for a strain that provides energy and helps with dramatic temperature changes that occur with detox. Thanks.

  12. Sharon H

    I have similar problems as some other people. Fibro & arthritis. Also, I have PTSD, depression and anxiety. I want to get off of any and all prescriptions if possible. I need pain relief, energy during the day & anxiety relief. Help to get on a regular sleep schedule would be great as well. I don’t want to feel like my head is swimming or too dizzy. Also don’t want to feel jittery to get the energy if that’s possible. In other words, I want a new drug, lol! Any suggestions with these things in mind? Thanks!

    1. Allison

      I have similar challenges and get really frustrated with pain docs because you can’t use THC for pain simultaneously. It’s frustrating because all pain isn’t the same. I just started using kratom. I purchased Green Malay and Red bali. The malay provided some pain relief while giving a little boost. It has a little bit of an opiate feel to it and its energizing qualities aren’t all that jittery. I then tried the red because I’m all about that euphoria too. It is actually really nice. It gives that ‘warm’ feeling you get with opiates but you aren’t going to be falling asleep. Give it a shot. I was pleasantly surprised.

      1. Judy Lehman

        I dont know why but I never feel this “euphoria” that they say Kratom gives you. Been taking Kratom 4 about a year now & am yet to feel euphoric. Please help! Which strain & what dose would achieve euphoria? Thank you

  13. John

    I take Kratom off and on for chronic pain. I mix it with Corydalis which helps nerve pain. That way I don’t need to take as much Kratom. I find the Red Vein to be good for pain, though the Green Maeng Da sedates me more. Either works for me so I can sleep when the pain is bothering me. I don’t take Kratom daily so that I don’t become dependent. I was on high dose opioids for years. Methadone and dilaudid are both effective painkillers, but the withdrawals when I decided I didn’t want to take them anymore was rather nasty, that’s putting it mildly, it almost killed me. Cold turkey off methadone is supposed to be done gradually in a hospital I learned after the fact. Have had complications since, but it got better. The worst aftereffect is severe anxiety. It was during the withdrawals that I learned about Kratom, which I used to help ease withdrawals and did not become dependent on Kratom neither. I still have pain, but I tolerate it and find sufficient relief with over the counter meds, Corydalis and Kratom.

  14. Helena Hanford

    I commented on a lot of reply’s until I saw I could post lol. I have had lower back pain and severe leg pain since a surgery caused nerve damage. I took norco and had to keep increasing it to get pain relief and of course they don’t want you on it long. I searched the internet high and low and found some information on Kratom. I have had to experience with capsules and powder and many different strains and I still do to see which ones work the best for everything. I take medication for severe anxiety and depression. I know I sound like a total mess but Kratom has turned things around for me. It gives me amazing pain relief and sometimes you have to start at a higher dose if you are taking a lot of opiates (do not combine at same time) my friend used Kratom when her norco runs out prior to referral and it helps a lot. When I take capsules I have to take around 8-10 per dose which is a lot of capsules. I prefer the powder. It’s cheaper and works faster. I take about 1 1/2 to 2 teaspoons per dose. I mix it in a small amount of any juice (orange juice works best I have heard) then I swallow it and follow with a few more gulps of orange juice. It tastes bad but I am used to it. I have tried many strains and different vendors. You can find it at some smoke shops and I have even found it at a few gas stations but they are ridiculously expensive and ineffective to me. I prefer ordering the powder online. I think that green Maeng da has the best pain relief of all of them (just my experience). If I take that in the evening it doesn’t allow me to sleep well. Red indo seems to be more relaxing with a good amount of pain relief for night. I take one teaspoon an hour before bed. I was having the feelings of withdrawal’s every four hours with a Norco will wear off. I hated that feeling and I felt like I was a slave to the medicine. Kratom gives you a much smoother transition between doses. You gently feel when you may need some more. This website has great information on each strain. I would search read it and I got such inconsistent information, it was very confusing and frustrating. I feel like I can live my life without pain and without worrying about a prescription running out. I also can taper it down to barely any and then quite which I did before I got my nerve damage from a surgery. Make sure you drink plenty of water and maybe take a natural supplement to help with constipation. To me that has been the only drawback but it is definitely worth it. Please email me if you have any questions. I know all the shame and pain that is associated with opiates or pain killers. I never even took my first Norco until I was 40 and had a surgery. Kratom has given me freedom. My email is [email protected]

    1. Stacey Truman

      Thank you for sharing your experience. I appreciate how open you were and how much you use. I’m using the maeng da and find it’s the best for my sciatica. I also buy in bulk in powder form to save money. Thank you again, take care

      1. Linda Thomas

        SCIATICA RELIEF Sciatic nerve pain occurs when there’s pressure on a nerve in your lower back. Most people don’t know they can make it go away within a MERE 30 SECONDS. I read this in a booklet in my chiropractor’s office around 1980. We simply need to STRETCH the area that’s being pinched. Here’s how:

        IF YOU’RE IN PUBLIC Suppose you’re shopping in a grocery store when your shooting sciatic pain strikes. What I did was use the old-fashioned “windmill” stretch we did in elementary school. First I notice which leg has pain running down it, then use the OPPOSITE HAND to reach over diagonally and touch the knee of the aching leg. That’s it!!! Just hold that stretch (or, if you can, move your hand even further down that leg – as far if as the ankle, if you can, but NOT if it causes any further pain) for 30 seconds. I’ve succeeded in helping myself probably 100 times that way, and only 2-3x over the decades did it ever fail. Possibly doing this corrective stretch so often over the years is what caused the sciatic pain to gradually become sharp, then less often, then disappear entirely.

        IF YOU’RE AT HOME If it’s hurting extra bad, and you have the luxury of being at home, you can do something else to relieve the pinched sciatic nerve: Lie face up on a bed or on the floor. Stretch the leg that hurts as far as you comfortably can while slowly cross it over the good leg. Try to make the painful leg stretch even farther/longer than the good leg to stretch out the pinched area. You might even hear it pop, but keep holding the stretch for 30 seconds to help it STAY fixed. EVEN BETTER: If you have the luxury of another person around who’s willing to help, you can relax your muscles much better if you don’t have to do the work. Let the other person stand beyond your feet and SLOWLY, GENTLY & FIRMLY pull on the hurting leg as they cross it over the good leg. Ask them to gradually pull it out past the length of the good leg, and then hold it in place for a good minute. The leg should not be jerked roughly (we are not chiropractors) and, in my experience, if done right should NEVER add to the person’s suffering. A hot bath in magnesium/Epsom salts plus a cup of muscle-relaxing/pain-relieving red-veined kratom afterward will likely help your back muscles their best chance to relax and enable the treatment to last much longer.

        Once I had the privilege of using that last method on my own pain management doctor after she told me during my appointment, “I help people with THEIR pain all day long, but there’s no one to help me with MINE!” When I assured her I could help with that sciatic pain, she dashed over to my house after work. She was stunned at how easy the temporary solution was, and that it brought COMPLETE relief within 1 minute. Now she has informed her office-manager husband how to help her at anytime, for free lifelong help : )

        1. Linda Thomas

          ERROR CORRECTION “Oops! I left out the word “LESS” in a comment about relieving sciatic pain. The last sentence of the 3rd paragraph should actually have read: “Possibly doing this corrective stretch so often over the years is what caused the sciatic pain to gradually become LESS sharp, then less often, then disappear entirely.”

    2. Linda Thomas

      You mentioned that kratom tasted bad. I’ve solved my own problem of how to get past the STRONG, UNPLEASANT TASTE of red-veined kratom strains (due to their pain-relieving opioid alkaloid content, since most natural opiates – like codeine & heroin – taste quite bitter). I discovered this quite by accident after nearly 3 years of appreciating its effects very much but nevertheless dreading my cup of kratom tea (a mere level teaspoon of it in a cup of hot water w/sweetener relieved my neck & back injuries PLUS relieved my Severe Complex PTSD anxiety PLUS relieved my tendency to be depressed. I no longer need Prozac, Valium, or the codeine I was using!!! (either pure codeine phospate or pure codeine sulfate, neither of which tiny prescription tablets contained any additives like liver-wrecking acetaminophen nor kidney-wrecking ibuprofen, I’m thankful to report).
      Well, here’s how I accidentally solved the problem of how awful the stronger pain-relieving strains of kratom taste: One day a few months ago I was dashing out to get to my deep muscle therapy for neck & back injuries, when I suddenly realized I’d forgotten to take my double-dose of kratom 30-60 minutes in advance so the therapist could work deeply without my having sharp pains (I doubled my usual dose once/week just for those appointments – from 1 level teaspoon to 2 level teaspoons). There was no time to heat the water for the tea, nor time to cool it and drink it all. So, I grabbed a carton of cold milk out of desperation, poured a cup of it in a glass jar with 1.5 teaspoons of honey, and shook it well. WOW!! It was very different – and almost as delicious as chocolate milk! Now, I actually look forward to drinking my very delicious KRATOM MILK, and it’s the ONLY way I take it anymore – no more yukky hot tea with it!!!
      Recently, I’ve had to start watching my sugar levels, so instead of honey stevia (but NOT that white granulated stuff with added corn/wheat glucose-based erythritol, dextrose & who-knows-else; nor do I use any artificial sweeteners). Only 1/8 tsp of that natural green stevia leaf powder is needed to sweeten the kratom nicely. Yes, really just 1/8th teaspoon or less (that natural type of green powdered stevia leaf can be found online or in some healthfood stores, but not in any grocery stores I’ve seen, by the way).

      How happy I am over all this – the kratom being muscle relaxing, plus anti-inflammatory for joints (wonderful!!), plus anti-depressant, plus energizing & wanting to work (if don’t take too much, which makes me sleepy very soon afterward), plus astoundingly anti-anxiety – all at the same time!! I’m very, very thankful – and no addiction problems. And I’m extra delighted to have discovered how putting it in mildly sweetened milk [of course, milk itself also adds a natural sugar – about 8 grams of lactose] will make it DELICIOUS instead of dreadfully bitter! I sure hope someone can benefit by what I’ve said.
      One bit of advice: Just as with Rx opiates, it is wise not to let your body DEPEND on taking it at the same time(s) every day. DO WITHOUT WHENEVER YOU CAN – EVEN FOR AN EXTRA HOUR. And CHANGE UP the hour that you take it. Skip a dose (or a day) entirely whenever you can, and skip 1-3 days (or just take less) at the end of each month, if possible, so the tolerance doesn’t set in which requires more & more. Because I wrote a Drug & Alcohol 6-month Education Program, I learned a lot about how dependence occurs. By applying the principles I just gave you, I myself have been able to remain on my 1-level-teaspoon dose of kratom (using various strains) for nearly 3 years!!!! Can you believe it?!? Yes, it’s really TRUE. And quitting for a day or two has only left me slightly uncomfortable and experiencing just the ORIGINAL pain from my injuries & my ORIGINAL anxiety during that day or two – but NO WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS AT ALL. Please consider what I’ve said. DON’T make a regular HABIT of taking the same amount at the same time every single day. DON’T teach your body to DEPEND on it like clockwork – that’s when habits & dependence set in. Got it? Simple, really. This will be your reward: After you skip even a day or so, it will get its old zing/potency back. I learned a lesson the hard way: As long as I skipped a day (every other is BEST of all!!!), the kratom lasted 48 wonderful hours (not 4, like codeine, but 48!!!), yet as soon as I began taking every day, it would last only 1 day. And further, if I took it 2x/day, it lasted only 1/2 day. Interesting, huh?
      So, don’t spoil yourself. And never, EVER take kratom to get high (or to raise its slight, lovely, natural euphoric effects just for kicks), since that can mess with your brain’s “pleasure center” [scientific name: nucleus accumbens] and cause you to want more & more. With heroin users, for example, the ordinary pleasures of life soon can’t compete with the massive release of dopamine, so they wreck their lives & relationships because job satisfaction, playing sports for fun & exercise, having a safe & warm home, and even sexual relations bring them so little pleasure in comparison with the heroin that they aren’t interested in them & lose everything that once mattered. Thankfully, I’ve never known, heard of, or read about anyone who has a serious kratom habit (the handful of deaths were known to be heavy street drug users, and the fault wasn’t their kratom use), but why should folks risk ruining our access to this wonderful wholefood source of relief (for multiple health & psychological issues, such as I have) by behaving or even talking about kratom in such a way (including on certain disgraceful kratom seller sites) that we possibly contribute its being made illegal someday, leaving us dependent only on Big Pharma’s poisonous drugs with a zillion side effects?
      Besides, taking more kratom than we need is usually a waste, anyway. Many people, myself included, have reported that the euphoria stops dead and you tend to go right to sleep when you take even 1/2 teaspoon more than you need. My guess is, that happens because the brain might be protecting itself against excess dopamine release, since our neurotransmitters should be in balance. (Just as excess serotonin from taking too much of even the wonderful anti-depressant supplement, L-tryptophan, can lead to “serotonin poisoning” in the brain, which I’ve seen happen in a friend of mine – the symptoms were scary, with darting eyes, very fast movements, and a personality change after using way too much L-tryptophan along with her anti-depressant Rx’s.)
      Kratom can be used for withdrawal (or a safer substitute) for nearly any drug that causes a release of dopamine (cigarettes, alcohol, cocaine, codeine/similar opioids, heroin, etc.) because kratom itself provides a fine (not extreme) release of it. My brother-in-law is a psychiatrist who runs a clinic for heroin addicts (suboxone/buprenorphine/naloxone, I think), and one of his patients told the doc’s wife/nurse that she had previously gotten off heroin rather easily with the use of kratom.
      But our brain/body needs a BALANCE of neurotransmitters – not just dopamine. L-tryptophan, for instance, provides a release of serotonin, which we also very much need. Four 500-mg capsules before bedtime lets me sleep like a baby and wake up smiling (instead of waking up crying hard before even opening my eyes, some years ago), and I was thrilled to find that my muscles were willing to move again (I had been so low in serotonin – needed for muscular activity – that I was unable to even move my little finger, and couldn’t even get out of bed to urinate because my legs just couldn’t work, and for absolutely no other reason). Don’t most of you need to sleep deeply and wake up smiling? The L-tryptophan FULLY relieved my very, very deep depression in 1/2 HOUR – all by itself with no other medicines, other drugs, or supplements being used. I had been terribly deficient in serotonin, which our body produces with the help of L-tryptophan and probably some other amino acids. I’m just saying, we might want to balance our amino acids to help build a balance of neurotransmitters – and NOT just focus on dopamine release. I feel MUCH better when I take other amino acids and build a supply of OTHER neurotransmitters, too, while using wonderful kratom. This only makes sense.
      IMPORTANT WARNING: If kratom ever starts to make you feel slightly nauseous – as if your liver is a little congested, there may be a solution for you. Unless your kratom was not fresh when you bought it OR you didn’t carefully keep it refrigerated or frozen (see next paragraph), you might be able to take less kratom while still feeling the same good results, by adding what’s called “kratom potentiators” (certain foods & herbs) that increase the potency of the kratom and/or the length of time that it works! Put “Kratom potentiators” in your search bar to find various lists of them (like lemon juice, cayenne, coffee, etc., along with a few cautions). One such caution: One of the potentiators, powdered akuamma seed, is NOT for those with low blood pressure, for it can drop BP quite fast & dangerously, as I personally experienced (terrifying). Only 1/4 tsp of akuamma powder caused me to nearly faint & my neck to wobble badly, when I mixed it with only 1 level teaspoon of red-veined kratom (my usual dose of K.). So, just be careful with akuamma bean or skip it entirely if you tend to have even slightly low blood pressure. But for those with high blood pressure it might be a terrific addition to their kratom, since it is extra-powerfully relaxing (as long as they keep an eye on their BP to make sure it doesn’t drop too much if using both kratom and high BP medicine).
      FINAL NOTE: Folks, not every kratom-related website will tell you this (I have studied many at length), but . . . KRATOM SHOULD ALWAYS BE FROZEN OR REFRIGERATED AND KEPT TIGHTLY CAPPED. Where these trees grow naturally, in Southeast Asia, there are certain SPORES in the air, and most kratom probably contains at least a few, but that’s not my warning. IF you purchased FRESH kratom, what few spores it may have will likely remain harmless IF & ONLY IF you freeze or refrigerate your supply. It might not hurt to leave a small jar of it on the counter for daily use, but don’t make the mistake I did. It was fine for several months (house kept air-conditioned nearly always), but when the jar was nearly empty I would refill it – on & on this went for a year. This meant that the stuff in the bottom of the jar had not been refrigerated for a YEAR, and I got quite nauseous one day, to my surprise. I threw out what remained in the little jar, then washed & dried it and its LID very well. Then I could safely fill it from my freezer supply. It never happened again, and that was 2 years ago. In other words, never refill your little jar on the counter or in the cupboard until you have emptied it entirely and then WASHED & DRIED IT, okay?? Better still, always keep in the refrigerator as I learned to do. My sister never did refrigerate hers for a whole year before she tried it for the 1st time. She got so sick from the spores that she refused to ever again try any kratom, even very fresh stuff. A few people with liver problems may find kratom hard to digest, although I’ve only read the tiniest mention of that twice by private commenters online. Reminder: Keep your kratom refrigerated or frozen – one site said it will last indefinitely that way. And if you want to keep a small jar of it handy on your counter, just be doubly sure to empty it ENTIRELY (then wash & dry it) before refilling your jar from your cold or frozen stock.
      Sending my love to those struggling with pain & psychological issues in these “critical times, hard to deal with.” You’re not even remotely alone.

  15. Chuck

    Chronic pain, an absolute monster. I’ve been taking K on and off for the last two years, but daily for the past two months and I can’t begin to tell anyone how much better I am. Low back pain from bulging, herniated disks reduced 50-60%. Energy levels increased. More restful sleep. I alternate strains to help maintain efficacy and find Red Vein Bali to be most effective for pain relief, 6-8 grams in the morning mixed with 6 ounces of orange juice. I understand the citric acid helps release the alkaloids. Must, bc the effects are immediate. White Maeng Da early afternoon for sustained energy. All strains are an effective, low grade depression treatment. This herb is truly miraculous.

  16. John johnson

    My parents are alcoholics, get the shakes, sleep paralysis the whole 9 yards, what would you suggest would be the best to switch them onto to curb alcoholism

    1. Helena Hanford

      Red Indo powder, 2 teaspoons morning afternoon and evening. It helped me completely get off norco right away with no side effects. If they start to feel there symptoms come back they can take 1-2 teaspoons every four hours. After they have been on it a few weeks they can take away a half teaspoon at each dose and cut down to a manageable level (2 times a day) or lower until they are taking almost nothing. It worked like a miracle for me with opiate withdrawals

    2. Lei

      I’m a recovering alcoholic and I’ve tried all strains. My fave is Thai. I would be careful though because Kratom can be pretty addicting itself and some people have pretty bad withdrawals coming off it.

  17. Elise

    Thanks for this info. I’m hoping to understand all of this. I’m looking for pain relief when even my opioids won’t work. You know those really bad days. Trying to figure out which type to use, from which supplier and how much. It’s overwhelming!! Plus looking for info to help my son who has severe anxiety. I’ve tried Maeng Da but can’t get my dosing right. I did just buy the kit to make my own pills. Not to figure out the amount per pill and convert the dosage to pills. Are the mixed strains better? Is Bali the gold standard for chronic pain? Yes I take opioids.

    1. Helena Hanford

      Red Indo seems to be the most anxiety reducing. Start with a small dose like 1/2 teaspoon once a day. You can shake it into orange juice and have him swallow then follow with another drink of plain orange juice. It works faster than the capsules and you don’t have to take as many (3 capsules)

      1. PT SANDERS

        Ooooh Elsie as I am too. i’m currently on 15mg oxycodone BID instead I find myself taking 3 – 4 times daily

        1. erika Porter

          If I knew about kratom years ago when my opioid addiction started I would have chosen kratom cause no amount of pain pills made it go away unless it was to the point of me nodding off n that means you took too much kratom helps me more than anything

      2. Stacey Truman

        I have found the best method for me taking the powder is with hot/warm coffee. I put the dose in my mouth, take a good amount of coffee then shake my head sideways! I stopped swishing it to mix it because I can’t stand it in my teeth! I take several descent drinks to clean my mouth. Also, Pepsi or coke the works if it’s not super cold. And, I learned not to breath while taking it because sometimes it can be inhaled and it feels like I was dying! I love Kratos because I’m no longer depending on narcotics, amen!

  18. Mike m.

    I have addiction problems. But I take 2 500 capsules in the morning. I get a boost, my lower back is unstable. My back doesn’t bother me as much. Never got high or a buzz off Kratom. Done a world of good.

  19. Rita

    Has anyone used Kratom (if so what kind) to help withdrawal symptoms of Methadone Maintenance?
    Also which type of Kratom gives you the effects of a strong opiate?

    1. Max

      Hi, Rita. I have just used Red Bali to get off subs. Red Bali is the classic but Red Malay lasts longer apparently. I slept the entire night while detoxing! I cannot believe how amazing it helped. Granted I still had a lot of anxiety and other problems but Red Bali really helped. I’m trying red Malay later today. I started with 3-5grams 4 times a day and now am taking 2-3grams every 12 hours. Good luck!

      1. Greg

        Hi, max , I’ve been on subs for almost 3 years 8- 12grams a day, I wanna try this stuff , where to buy? In Maryland

      2. Adrianna

        I am wanting to get off subs myself but I am so afraid I’m going to go into withdrawal. I take 12mg daily, do I need to taper off some before I start the kratom?

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