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Average Powdered Leaf
1 gram0.035 ounces
50 grams1.75 ounces
100 grams3.5 ounces
Crushed Leaf
1 Tablespoon2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon.9 grams
Bali Powder
1 Tablespoon6.2 grams
1 Teaspoon2.3 grams
Maeng Da Powder
1 Tablespoon7 grams
1 Teaspoon2.6 grams
Crushed Leaf
1 Tablespoon2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon.9 grams
Green Malay Powder
1 Tablespoon6.9 grams
1 Teaspoon2.4 grams

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  1. LL

    Hi all, I am a physician with passion for addiction medicine and a degree in public health. The only reason I mention these qualifications is to provide some credibility to my advice. The best strategy for obtaining long term life, changing goals is to find a psychiatrist or provider with in-house therapists who you trust and can be open with. Look at community health centers in your area – they provide care and help with prescriptions, housing, jobs, etc and see patients regardless of ability to pay. Then, group talk therapy (narcotics anonymous, etc) and psychotherapy are needed weekly for most people to make lasting changes and develop predetermined plans or coping strategies for when you get the itch to use. Also, everyone needs a support system. So reach out to friends/family/support groups to talk about your struggles. Medication assisted therapy is great for people in the short term and works well but will be difficult to stop. Everyone who is looking for help with addiction and looking for supplements to help – they can but be careful. I believe Kratom can help people struggling with opiate addiction. However, using any substance with opioid receptor agonist mechanism will continue the harm to your brains feel good system. It isn’t until you stop or significantly decrease your opioid use that the brain can start to recover. Everyone has struggles and addictions they just all don’t look the same. If you want to help yourself and be part of a nationwide cultural revolution, then please seek out help (community health center addiction treatment services), join a group, invite people to group, talk openly about mental health to reduce the stigma, exercise, sleep well, eat plant based, meditate, and Volunteer in your community in a way that feels good to you. A majority of people with addictions, chronic unexplained pain and chronic anxiety/depression have untreated/repressed trauma (abused as a child, domestic abuse, etc). You can’t begin to heal until these dark and personal history is recognized and confronted. Also if you have untreated depression, anxiety, ptsd, insomnia) you need to find a health care professional to help you overcome these issues. SSRI or cognitive behavioral therapy will improve these problems and reduce cravings and pain which will make you more successful in the fight of addiction. I hope those who read this understand that I am not trying to belittle or simplify addiction. I merely am trying to help and provide some bystander directions on your path to optimizing your health and happiness. Love yourselves. I believe in all of you and know that you are capable of accomplishing lifelong happiness. Best wishes!

    1. Ambear

      Yeah subutex and suboxone are prescribed all over the place now. More so than oxy it seems now. Since Purdue’s lawsuit I think doctors are maybe slightly more hesitant to dish it out to everyone. But they seem to be really pushing the buprenorphine. I can get that stuff on the street any time of the day or night or go to the doctor and get a script. [ I’ve done both for years] It is good for kicking the hard stuff but I think that is all it should be used for. Once you get through the opiate withdrawals you gotta stop taking it. Years go by before you realize and that just can’t be what life is intended to be lived like forever. I’m using kratom and I’m crossing my damn fingers that I can be smart this time and use it to kick withdrawals and keep my mind right. What a wild ride huh? This is the first time in YEARS that I have been off all pharmaceutical opiates or black “market” opiates or subutex or suboxone. Kratom seems to be saving my life right now and I think that’s pretty impressive. I think it’s probably best to not be taking anything for the rest of my life but for now kratom is a stepping stone just as the sub was. . . Kratom is an amazing thing. For now.

  2. Billy prez

    I’ sometimes think I’m a unique addict but not so stupid to know that’s bull but anyways I was on subs for a few years and hated it tapered off and felt really shitty afterwords then I was some what obligated to start a big const job to pay the bills so I started taking loperamide no more then 80 a day for about 8weeks to finish the job I tried quitting that cold turkey but wasn’t successful I’m no stranger to kicking Oxys cold turkey numerous times but I’m 54 and getting to old to do that physically and mentally anyway I got down to about 25 Imodium a day but felt like shit for a month now and I am mentally spent after thinking about getting high for a week with plenty of money to do so I researched Kratom and bought some I took about 5 grams I’m 6 ft 265lbs not sure if that matters I feel pretty good I’m in the experimental stage and the posts were very helpful i I may also try some Aa or NA but not sure if this is clean time or not my main concern is being hooked on another substance so I want to know if anyone has a home recipe for getting off Kratom after uh maybe a few weeks thanks billy

  3. Kendell Clark

    For anyone who is interested, I have just told my kratom story to these fine people. I want to help others stay on kratom, as well as other addicts suffering with an opioid addiction stay on kratom, or get on it if they’re not currently on it. I’ll offer again, and then I’ll shut up. If you need or want help, encouragement is probably the best I can offer along with dosing advice, email me privately at coffeekingms at gmail. My kratom story was an attempt to do just that. I believe I have finally made a turning point. dJohnson was right and I was wrong. They can be beaten. Kratom alone won’t do it. It will manage the pain and the withdrawals, and it may help with depression if you’re lucky, but it won’t fix the main problem. That’s an emotional or mental one. You ahve to want to stay off for it to take. I no longer want or need tramadol nor any other opioid, apart from kratom. If that makes me an addict still, so be it. But I’ve transitioned to something I can buy at my local smoke shop, legally, with no doctors who can choke off the supply or cut my dose down. I do wish it were cheaper, but I can’t complain, since I’m greatful it’s available at all. All I can offer people who are interested in kratom is this. Don’t believe the articles from web md and the mayo clinic that say kratom is dangerous and that it does not work. It can be dangerous, if you take too much, but all that happens if you take too much is that you may feel nausea and you may, not will but may, throw up. You cannot overdose on kratom and die, unless you mix it with other substances, like benzodiazepines, like valium or zanax, or antidepressants like amitriptyline. I think kratom is well known enough that you can consult your doctor or pharmacist if you want to take kratom with other stuff, but I’m not certain of that. Thanks to KassodyReece, who gave me the final push to beat back the tramadol cravings. That and Brian Gallagher who managed the podcast and encouraged me as well. If I get further comments telling me to stop commenting, so be it. Anyone considering takeing tramadol, please reconsider. THe opioid withdrawals are bad enough, but it then compounds that with antidepressant withdrawal, could turn you psychotic. It did to me. You can take opioids without becoming hooked, but it is tricky. You can follow the scrip to the letter and still become hooked. If this happens to you, try not to beat yourself up too much. Becoming addicted doesn’t mean you’re weak willed, or there’s a falty circuit in you somewhere. I don’t understand the psychology of addiction so I’ll stop there. If you want to get off and stay off, kratom can help. But if you don’t, kratom won’t do much more than manage the pain and symptoms, it won’t magically cure the whatever is keeping you from successful recovery.

  4. CJ

    Paul a besselievre,
    how the fuck did you get prescribed subutex? I thought they only used them at rehabs, and only prescribed suboxone (fucking garbage makes me withdrawal 10x harder). Subutex is THE best for withdrawal. But drs wouldnt script them out. Suboxone is so ass backwards its not even funny. I get the fact that they wanna put the opiate blocker naloxone in it to keep you from relapsing, but everytime i tried doing subs, it would make my withdrawals so much worse and i wouldnt get past 2 days before im making phone calls except for this last time 3 weeks ago. Idk most of the time it fucks me, but the last time wasnt bad, just sweaty sleeps. God i hate suboxone. Subutex should be universally accepted over that shit

    1. J

      I agree about the subutex. Where I live they prescribe subutex to pregnant women, and people who claim the naloxone in suboxone makes them sick or whatever. Had I have had subutex ingested of suboxone, I probably wouldnt have turned to kratom. But that’s neither here nor there now. The naloxone doesnt prevent abuse anyways. I use to shoot up my sub strips daily, I was never thrown into precipitated withdraws. But anyways I’m on kratom now and feeling pretty decent so far. My intention to to stop using this in another week, making it 2 weeks in total of using it to kick subs.

    2. Ambear

      Yeah subutex and suboxone are prescribed all over the place now. More so than oxy it seems now. Since Purdue’s lawsuit I think doctors are maybe slightly more hesitant to dish it out to everyone. But they seem to be really pushing the buprenorphine. I can get that stuff on the street any time of the day or night or go to the doctor and get a script. [ I’ve done both for years] It is good for kicking the hard stuff but I think that is all it should be used for. Once you get through the opiate withdrawals you gotta stop taking it. Years go by before you realize and that just can’t be what life is intended to be lived like forever. I’m using kratom and I’m crossing my damn fingers that I can be smart this time and use it to kick withdrawals and keep my mind right. What a wild ride huh? This is the first time in YEARS that I have been off all pharmaceutical opiates or black “market” opiates or subutex or suboxone. Kratom seems to be saving my life right now and I think that’s pretty impressive. I think it’s probably best to not be taking anything for the rest if my life but for now kratom is a stepping stone just as the sub was. . .

  5. kendell clark

    In for a penny, in for a pound. I’ll try to shut up after this comment. But I have to vent, a bit. Nothing you guys or anyone else has done, not online anyway. I’ll try my best to be brief. I have no support. My wife supports me, or says she does, but when we get into bad arguments she reverts to the, I’m tired of supporting an addict line, so I’m no longer sure. She has her own pain meds but doesn’t share, at my insistance, she would. We are on SSI, government money. That money does not last long, and kratom is expensive. I am not asking anyone for money to be perfectly clear. But a little emotional support from someone, anyone, would be nice. Being called a junky by your own mom takes it’s tole. Being refused financial help because she thinks you’ll spend it on pain meds definitely takes it’s tole. I buy kratom twice a month, when I can afford it. Once when I can’t. That’s why I’m so insistant on finding the right dose and sticking to it.I will be honest and say a few hundred capsules from someone would be nice, but I’m hesitant to ask anyone for those too. I don’t want to be mistaken for a trole, I’ve been called one before. Now that I’m not ordering tramadol I have a little more money, but ace cash express payments are killing my bank. Paying off a switch, which admittedly was my own fault, but damn it I wanted, just once, to get one christmas present I really wanted, doesn’t help. I’m not going to go over all our bills, this isn’t a whine forum. All this comment was meant to do was point out that emotional support may not be as important in kicking the habbit as replacement drugs, it places a crucial role. When you haven’t slept in a week and can no longer remember you own name, are in either crippling depression because a mythical character on a mythical show got injured or died or went into a towering rage because your favorite digimon got hit by an attack … you know you have problems. My mom has a very dim view of pain meds period. She’s one of the, tylenol and advil work for everyone except addicts people.

    1. Chris G

      What the… what is wrong with you. You need some help man.

    2. Dia Rainne

      Dude – watch the documentary “Church of Felons” on Amazon Prime.

    3. Myke

      It is obvious you need to be in rehab. It is not your mom’s job or anyone elses to understand your addiction. If they choose to then God bless them. To blame your mom for being ignorant and not sharing her medicine tells me you are gone and need help my friend. We d

    4. Kitty Curr

      I’m an intractable pain patient…. for those who don’t know, intractable is a chronic pain patient except intractable means you have exhausted any possible treatments.
      There is no making me better, just trying to have some quality of life.
      My fathers alcoholism took away my childhood, my 1st marriage became an abusive nightmare due to alcohol and drugs. Now, after working hard my whole life I’m stuck in this hell of endless physical pain.
      And when I now am in need of pain medication the Gov takes it away.
      Frankly, I have no more compassion left. Addicts have options I will never have. I’ve grown tired of all of the attention being given to addiction. You wanna talk about suffering? I’ve been in 24/7 excruciating pain for 21 years. Lay down and let me run over your spine with a forklift, then we can talk about suffering in a way we both will understand.
      Stop feeding the addiction and get treatment.

  6. kendell clark

    commenting on this thread because it seems to be active. Disregard my other comments if you see them, I’ll summarize. Was on tramadol 50mg at first two, maybe three years ago now, can’t remember precisely. Moderate scoliosis, according to the docs, did not equate to moderate pain. LIke many hear, tramadol 50mg was enough initially but not for long. Gradually, very very gradually, went up to 100mg at a dose, 3 times a day, sometimes four. 60 pills ran out quickly. Pharmacy would not refill and doctor would not re-prescribe. Sent me to what she said was a pain doc but that guy tried fobbing me off on cordisone injections, which I didn’t even attempt. Doctor got frustrated with me, I began ordering the crap over the internet from US based pharmacies that imported the stuff from, I think, india. Started out at 157 dollars for 240 100mg pills. Price started going up, amount started going down. Overdrew bank account multiple times, often at or past the overdraw limit to get the stuff. I did manage to get it once a month except for a couple of very bad months. Took out one lone from, I think, ace cash express to get more. They’re still bugging me. Went to kratom about a year ago. pharmacist told me to take 2 500mg capsules at most. Those did nothing. Have begun taking 4 to 10 capsules at a dose depending on the pain. Tramadol withdrawal is some of the worst I’ve ever felt. Have never been on harder drugs but tram wd is bad enough, I felt like going on a killing spree, or committing suicide, or maybe both. Never tried either, but felt like it. Couldn’t sleep. Terrible RLS. Alternate meds did nothing because they weren’t opioids. Even I knew what that meant. Went back on the tram about 6 months ago because kratom online prices were too much for not enough capsules and my local smoke shop only had max 120 500mg red maeng da capsules. Went off the tram a month ago after very reluctantly paying 415 bucks for 180 200mg pills. Fighting the urge to go back on the tram because of one pill versus multiple capsules. Cannot stomach the powder, cannot easily measure it because I can’t see much. Now the smoke shop has 1000 500mg red maeng da capsules for just over 80. Have had both the smoke shop’s capsules, which are KraveKratom branded, and online kratom capsules and powder, have noticed no difference in effects between them. Ideally I’d like to take just 1 500kg capsule but that’s not realistic. Want the minimum dose I can take to get opioid effects, to both relieve my scoliosis pain and suppress any lingering tramadol withdrawal symptoms. Please do not lecture me on the fact that kratom is a drug, I’m just replacing one drug with another, I’ll eventually either become addicted to this or overdose and die, my mom has done all this, thanks. I’ve resigned myself to being a junky forever, so might as well take whats legal and won’t end up with a narc showing up at my door with his own judgemental attitude. I don’t just want help hear, I want to start helping others. Have published my email in another comment, I believe on the making tea page, for anyone who wants it so they can get or give help. I will not, ever, go to a drug rehab program. Those seem to be either a drug dispensary thinly coated in religion, or an only religion an no drugs, neither of which I want. Nothing against religion or drugs before I piss anyone off, but I don’t think getting naloxone, bupranorphine or methadone will help, all that will do is get me addicted to one of those, or maybe all three, and the naloxone will just push me into withdrawal and block the kratom, which I don’t want. People on the chronic pain Reddit can be helpful or harmful, depending on the comment. I buy 300 red maeng da capsules, which are supposed to last the entire month, but end up lasting about half that. Hoping a thousand will last the month. If not, no idea what I’ll do.

    1. Tina Robinson

      I’m so sorry.. I too, have been on trams for almost 6 years. Not as many/ as high of mg though. I know it’s hard. Just wanted to say hang in there. You can do this!! Have you tried Beleafer?? After many failed kratom tries and poor quality kratom, I discovered them and it’s the best stuff. It’s pretty affordable as well! I’m a single mom and I can buy enough to last me a month.

      1. kendell clark

        Thanks so much for your help. It’s the emotional support that really helps. To be clear, I’m not knocking the chronic pain reddit forum, or any reddit forum. I was called a trole there and one other kratom forum because I dumped all over some pour guy who was just trying to help. I asked in my OP to please not recommend pain management or drug rehab because I didn’t believe those were viable options, First thing that was said was, get help or go to a pain doc, so I lost it. I am determined to stick to kratom, this time at least, I just wish I could find a consistent dose. I was just forced to buy a second vape machine this month becase the one I bought at the beginning of the month burned out. I try not to chain vape, but I’ll be honest, the nicotine helps with the pain. it’s a sort of whole body pain relief, and the kratom kills the rest of it. My wife has been my rock. Only when we get into very bad fights, which do sometimes happen due to lack of finances does she call me a drug addict, and usually only if I’m asking, or in some cases demanding, money for whatever it is I want. I’m supporting two habbits. A nicotine habbit and a kratom habbit, and neither are cheap. I’ll definitely look into beleafer. I’ve never heard of it. The trick is going to find a health store that sells it in casule or pill form, or a place online I can purchase it. Looking for legal online herb shop pulls up results that are … hmm. They pull up spice shops and herbal tea shops, where neitehr kratom, nor fenibut, nor beleafer, are in stock. I haven’t tried fenibut yet, but it’s supposed to be a close relative of lyrica and gabapentin, which didn’t do a thing for my pain but was my valium equivalent. Leveled my mood out and quickly. That’s the one symptom kratom doesn’t seem to help with much. Mood stabilization. That’s the one symptom of tram wd that has not gone away. It seems to get worse. Anything can set it off. hen I’m in a good mood, I geek out to digimon. I love watching the mega divilutions kick ass, and when they get hurt, I react badly. That can set me off. Only if I’m in wd, otherwise I don’t react like that. Mom is one of those, ylenol and advil are good enough, you’re just a druggie you don’ need kratom, but you’re an addict so take it for the rest of your life if you ahve to, just quit the nicotine. Cold turkey. Suffer the withdrawal, which is all in your head anyway. That hurts me. Mentally of course, it’s not as if she’s abusive. I’m considering trying kraveKratom’s trainWreck blend, which is supposed to be 13 strains in one, and both my local head shop and online sells it. The lady who runs the head shop has bad pain herself, some sort of degenerative condition I think, and kratom helps her. And after enough asking, she finally stocked more than 120 500mg capsules so it might be an option. But I just hope a thousand will last me. It will, if the dosage instructions are printed on the bottle of 4 capsules are actually effective. I can’t remember if I asked hear or not, so please disregard if I have, but is tere a natural substance that afects nicotinic receptors, so I can quit the nicotine? I like vaping, I honestly do, but it’s a money pit. I got a machine that integrates the juice tank and coil in one, so I just buy new pods when I need new coils, but still that’s one more thing I have to find the money for. An opioid equivalency table for kratom would be great too, but I can’t find it. For an effect similar to tram, take this much. For vicodin, take this much. For oxy, take this much. If it doesn’t exist, I would like to help create it so people on the harder drugs can get off with kratom, if they want to. Honestly I wish tram had never been approved. It’s not a very strong opiate, and the anti depressant effects cause serious problems when you run out. THe opioid withdrawal symptoms are bad enough, but it also effects your adrenaline and serotonin receptors, which affect mood. So when you can’t take tram, they, along with the opioid receptors go haywire.

        1. Dee Johnson

          So you want emotional support from us, however you are content with remaining an addict for the rest of your life and have absolutely no interest in helping yourself? You are asking us to make you feel better about the life you hate – yet are unwilling to change. Do you see how that might not make sense? Listen I have worked with addicts for years at various treatment centers and day programs etc as well as dealt with a crippling opioid addiction myself. If you want help, you need to be willing to help yourself first. Otherwise it’s a waste of everybody’s time. Sorry for being blunt but that’s how it goes. If you seriously want help and can flip the state of mind you are in, I can provide some insight on what may make you a little happier and healthier.

          1. kendell clark

            This comment took a lot of hard thought. You have several very good points. I’ll try to answer them as best I can. I’m not willing to be an addict forever, mroe like resigned to it. Every single time I try to get past it, I fail. Every time I try to quit cold turkey, and I have, several times, I fail. It isn’t just the withdrawal symptoms although they are the worst part of it, it’s the pain that started the whole mess. I’ve done a lot of research into how opioids work and how hard it is to get past them. I will be blunt though, I will probably never get to the point where I can take OTC pain meds. They don’t work. I’ve tried again and again and again, and they simply do nothing. Only either prescription pain meds or kratom does the trick. Your response sounds just like the kind of blow offs I’ve gotten on other forums. You say you’ve delt with other addicts, and you also say you’ve been an addict yourself. So you should know what it feels like when your brain is going haywire from not having the substances it has become accustomed to. How can you blow all of that off? Emotional support plays a crucial role, in addition to getting off the drugs you’re used to, or having a substitute drug that does the same thing. If you are told constantly to simply quit, and endure the symptoms, which I have done, and probably will do again unless I can find a dose of kratom taht works for me but also manages to stretch the capsules out. Don’t worry about being blunt, I’m blunt myself. SO I’ll be blunt. If I must choose between a life of begging a doctor who has become increasingly unsympothetic to what I’m telling her, or going to the hospital where they also don’t seem to care, or buying kratom at my smoke shop or online, I’ll choose kratom. In short, kicking the habbit seems impossible to me. I simply do not think it can be done. I am not willing to go to a drug program where I’ll most likely get someone telling me that the withdrawal symtpoms are all in my head, which I already know, and to take OTC pain meds for the pain, which I already know do not work.My wife is the only support I have, and because she gets her own pain meds for a metal rod in her spine, she can’t really understand. She has run out before, and seems immune to any withdrawal symptoms. And she takes hydrocodone, which is a lot stronger than what I was on. Unless you’ve been where I was, at 3 in the morning wanting to simultaneously murder someone, and then slit your own throat because of the extreme emotional mood swings, you cannot ever understand. You want blunt Ok, I’ll be blunt. Until you haven’t slept for a week and can’t even remember your own name, when the pain you fight each and every day increases until all you can see is it, feel is it, think about is it, you cannot understand. I am not saying you cannot understand, but people in general, who haven’t taken these drugs cannot understand the horrible effects they have when they run out.I suspect I’ll get some sort of, buck up and try to stay happy, response when this comment goes live. I cannot, unless I’m not suffering, both physically and mentally. If tramadol does this to me, I can’t imagine what even stronger stuff would do. At least for my pain, kratom works. And it works reliably. It lifts the depression and mood swings, it allows me to sleep reliably without waking in the middle of the night feeling as if I haven’t slept at all, and that’s if I get any sleep to begin with. And, most importantly of all, it kills the pain. I’ve been off the tram for a month or so now. And I want to stay that way. But it doesn’t seem as if willpower alone is enough. If taht were it, I’d probably have won already. It feels as if you aven’t read my comments thoroughly. I said in at least one of them that I wanted to not only either get off the opioids completely, or at the very least find one that I can stick to and a dose I can stick to. That’s probably going to be kratom. It’s the easiest, though not the cheapest, to get access to. Once that has happened, I want to try to get others help. If I am successful, I want to help others be successful. But you are absolutely right, the first step is wanting it to work. But want alone isn’t enough. In my case, the thing that allows me to even contemplate quitting is a drug that does what my former drugs did so I can think again. Without that it is impossible for me to think. That’s only step one though. You have to have support to get any further, and I don’t. It doesn’t sound as if you guys are willing to provide it, and to be honest, I can’t blame you. This is probably a thing that family or friends have to do. But my family thinks like you just said. Junky once, junky for life.I don’t have any friends, not anymore. I never had many, and the ones I did have I lost touch with before I graduated high school. The only scrap of hope I have is that i haven’t gotten to the point where i’m selling off everything I own to buy pills off the street, but the only reason I haven’t resorted to that is because I wasn’t willing to. I chose to suffer instead of resort to that.

          2. kendell clark

            I’m not sure if you’ve read the other comments I’ve posted o on other pages on this website, plus at least two others, so I’ll summarize so I don’t bore you to sleep with a long rambling response. The first step that was done when I discovered I couldn’t function well, if at all, without tram was for my doc to try other drugs. She tried meloxecam, an anti inflamatory, for the pain. It didn’t work. She tried amitriptyline for both the pain and mood swings caused by the withdrawal. I didn’t notice any effects on pain or mood from that either. After that, she more or less gave up. I was sent to a pain management doc, can’t remember his name off hand, but he wasn’t much help. Once I got past the pleasantries, he informed me taht he didn’t prescribe meds. Instead, he wanted me to try injections. I was reluctant, but asked him what was in those injections. He got vague. I refused. After much cajoling, I managed to get a scrip, one time, no refills, for 50mg tram, 90 tablets. All that did was hault the symptoms until the next time they ran out, aand I knew that when I got them. Once that happened, I was faced with either trying to go back to my gp and get more, which I didn’t think she’d provide, or order them over the internet, which I eventually did. I’ve said all about that in a previous comment so I’ll skip all that. Once my money problems got bad enough, mom turned me onto kratom. I’m not sure how she heard about it, but it was a godsend. You act as though I am willing to stay on these things forever. I’m not willing to, but I am resigned to it. I’ve fought for what feels like years but was probably only a couple of months, and in the end, my will just gave out. If I must take something to function at a level people who don’t takese do, I’ll do it. But I’ll do it with something that won’t cost me hundreds of dollars and won’t leave me more or less crippled mentally, when I run out. What I don’t understand is how a drug that stimulates opioid receptors, serotonin receptors and norepinephrine receptors can cause such symptoms when it isn’t there anymore, but it does. I have had other opioids throughout this saga, but the only other one i’ve had is tylenol 3. That was given me by a couple of ER docs. That seemed to work, but it resulted in the same symptoms once they ran out too. I don’t think ti was the codeine taht was doing it, it simply postponed the tram symptoms while I had it, and they picked right back up when I didn’t. But the worst problem of all, even worse than the pain and symptoms, is the lack of support. I cannot see, so couldn’t go anywhere to get help even if I wanted to, and to be quite honest, I don’t. I’m not interested in being told that the symptoms will pass, or to just endure them, and for the pain try OTC pain meds, which is what I have been told all along. Except the docs, they seem to understand, a little, but are powerless to do much. They know as well as I do that giving me meds will only postpone the symptoms, not kill them. But they don’t prescribe kratom. I’m not willing to take stronger drugs, or opioid blockers. If tram withdrawal is this bad for me, anything stronger would be much worse, and I can’t imagine it being much worse as it is. If I got stuck on methadone I’d have a hell of a time getting more. It’s a schedule 2 drug, meaning it’s very tough to get and even tougher to refill. I don’t want that. My wife is on hydrocodone, which is schedule 2, and I see what she must go through to get them each time she needs a refill. I’m not willing to go through that.

          3. Ambear

            Oh my gosh! You can do it. You can quit. It’s all about the mental strength man. I am going through it right now too. Trust me when I say it is possible. All of what you say is a reality for nearly every addict. We’ve all been through it. Maybe that’s why people get sassy with you. It’s same story for a lot of people. You just gotta get out of your head so much and figure the damn thing out.

        2. Boon

          Just some advice from a sixty year old drug addict for 45 years of my life. You seem to have an endless amount to say about your own situation. Try shutting the fuck up about yourself and go find a N.A. Meeting …there are literally thousands of them. Then when you get there keep shutting the fuck up until you figure out that your situation isn’t as unique as you think it is … in fact it pales in comparison to some of the people in those meetings.
          Your adversity to the word god is just another weak ass excuse we Addicts use when we really aren’t ready and willing to make a commitment to get cleaned up.

        3. kendell clark

          lol this is hilarious. Beleafer is an herbal vender that sells kratom and other stuff, not an herb itself. That should’ve been obvious from the start, but shrug. My memory isn’t what it once was. I may have to start taking netropics after all. Still want a natural substance to help kick the nicotine habbit, not having much luck though. I’ve never smoked, I’m probably one of the one or two percent of people who started vaping because they heard it can relieve pain. Had I been on kratom then I wouldn’t have, but I was on tram then and the tram never did kill it all. Considering cbd, but I don’t want to get into all that hear, this isn’t the place.

    2. Whendi S. Roberts

      Why cant you get opiates from your pain management Doctor? You did the right thing by not doing the injections. They are very..very. temporary and I was paralyzed from an I injection of chemicals during a procedure called lys iui s of Adhesions. I can walk now but suffer in massive pain from lower back and down both legs as all those nerves are severely damaged. The medic accident was the chemicals going into the wrong place inside my spine and glued all 24 of my nerve endings together causing an I jury called Progressive Adhesive Arachnoiditis. Its brutal. Anyway find another Pain Management Doctor who will listen to you. You can find someone to give you the prescription opiate medications you need. Never give up

  7. Aceboogy

    Hey peeps, I have been abusing fentynal for years now and quit. I’m currently drinking the red vein bali but this is only day 2 off fentynal but I have already taken atleast 14 grams in an 8 hour period. This seems a lot. Any feedback would be great.

    1. kendell clark

      I hope you manage this. Getting off opiates is hard enough, but when you’re on something that potent, it multiplies the difficulty. Comments from people like this guy boon just make me more determined to see this through. I doubt I’ll succeed, I’ll most likely end up taking kratom for the remainder of my life, but I’m ok with that. I’m not an emotional guy under most circumstances but I hope you make it. If kratom helps with your pain and the withdrawal symptoms from fentanyl, which make what I experienced with tramadol look like a walk in the park, then you’ve already won. Part of it anyway. My advice, which people on here don’t seem to like much, is to keep taking it as long as the withdrawals and the pain last. From all I’ve found online and what few DEA articles I can find on kratom, it can be addictive but pales in comparison to any of the opioids available on the market. So you could, and most likely will have problems coming off. But I am sure it can be done. I care nothing for being unique, nor do I want to whine on endlessly about my own problems as boon so eloquently puts it. All I want, is to help others get off this crap. And it is crap, at least when you stop feeling numb and start suffering. From then on all the opioids in the world don’t make things better, they make them worse, kratom included. But it is available over the counter, without a prescription, and most of the people who sell it at least know a little about what you’re buying. Stay strong, keep taking kratom. If it works. Try not to relapse. That’s hard, I’ve done so at least once, maybe twice. I’m in your corner, even though it feels like few others are. If getting off opioids does to me what it did to Boon, I believe I’ll stay on them. Nothing is worth being an asshole to people who want to get clean and stay that way. And I’m not against “the word god”. What I am against is going to places where it’s obvious people are suffering, and instead of actually helping these poor people, you get a church serman. If I were against god I’d likely be worse off than I am now. I’ll give boon what he wants, and shut the fuck up. But I will help. You and anyone else who wants it. Kratom is no miracle pill. It can, if your luck holds out and god decides to let it work on you, but it could also be as ineffective as tylenol alone is.

  8. Robert

    I have been abusing opiates since I was a teen, on and off methadone, but recently jumped off the clinic, after two weeks I still didn’t have any energy and was barely sleeping, I bought that red vein kratom and been drinking it for two weeks I feel great, I’m really amazed. But yea there wasn’t a dosage on the bag and I was desperate and drank half the mix and got extremely I’ll. Now I take a tablespoon on the way to work and it uplifts my spirits and everything. I just worry that I’m relying on it now, but hey, atleast I know I’m not gonna die from it. Anybody struggling with heroin pills ect. Please give this kratom a chance!!

  9. Amy

    Hello all. I just have a quick question here. I keep looking everywhere and cannot seem to find how often to take my Kratom. I am trying to come off opiates and it works great for 4 hours or so and then I’m back to square one and miserable. I obviously am hesitant to take too much. But is every four or five hours okay? I take the capsule form, red strain.

    1. Chris

      Take it as often as you need to feel 90% ok. After a week or so you will notice you need less to feel ok(not to feel fantastic, just ok). After two weeks your physical dependence on opiates will have left and you can wean yourself off Kratom at any pace you are comfortable with. Most people can do it easily in two additional weeks. The only problem you can have if you take too much Kratom is you will vomit once or twice and then sleep.

    2. Eve

      I take it for chronic (intense 😕) pain from Lyme. It also helps with fatigue (greens) & to sleep at night (reds). I take 1level tsp for my dose, & take as needed for the pain. On average, every 3 hrs.
      Sometimes longer.

    3. Tiffany

      I googled how much when I first started Kratom. It helps a lot with withdrawals from pills. They say beginners dose is 2-3grams and people on it longer take 6grams or more. You have to be careful bc it can make you sick. Start off slow and work your way up to a comfortable dose for you.

  10. Daniel

    I’m going on my 2nd day of complete hell from heroin withdrawal and my wife is getting me some Kratom as we speak. How much should I take brother? I’m trying hard to beat this shit but going crazy inside.

    1. Landon frost

      Bro you should take at least one tablespoon or a little more to get the effect for the withdrawals ik how doses have really helped people 1 tables spoon is like 6.5 grams

    2. TK

      Any updates on that? Hope you’re feeling better man. Kratom can completely erase withdrawal from H, and I recommend using agmatine with the kratom when tapering down and after stabilized with the kratom. You take 1000mg agmatine with about 1/2 of the dose of kratom you are stabile at, for several days to a week or longer, and can continue tapering down from there. The agmatine will lower your tolerance, but your body will become normalized to the new dose without withdrawal!

      Frankly, a person can keep a kratom addiction in check much easier than other opiates, especially if using agmatine when needing to lower tolerance. Hope you’re doing okay. What’s done is done. Let’s move forward.

    3. Chris

      Take one teaspoon of Kratom powder on an empty stomach. That’s about 2.5 grams. If no effect, take an additional 1/2 teaspoon every hour (about 1gram) until you feel nauseous or dizzy. If its capsules, do it every hour. When you throw up, you hit your limit.
      Kratom will not make everything beautiful. It will help A LOT. But your withdrawals will still be uncomfortable.

      1. CJ

        Dude i fucked up just now. I looked at the wrong conversion chart (crushed leaves) and it said a tsp was .9g. So i took like 2 and a half tsp. I looked down and saw that red bali (mine) was about 2.5g per tsp. So im at like over 6gs on my very first time. Literally drank it about 15 mins ago. But i was on dope/fetty a few weeks ago, this thursday will be 3 weeks. I got this bc i cant fucking sleep and im on my feet all day at work and i have no energy STILL and my knees wanna explode. Think ill be ok? I think i might still have some tolerance built up.

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