Strains, Effects, and Dosage

Strains And Effects

Many people new to kratom have questions about the effects of different strains. The following table serves as a comparative base for some of the most popular strains of kratom on the market.

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248 thoughts on “Strains, Effects, and Dosage

  1. I have bipolar and anxiety and wondering what would be good for me. I don’t have much energy and plus I have carpal tunnel and arthritis on my back and ankle from injury getting hit by a car. Please and thank u.

    1. I really appreciate that there was a form just like this to be able to get advice from. However, what is the background of the people giving advice and who are they? Are they random people responding to questions from other random people or are their responses to the questions from a source of authority? And what is that Authority? They’re answering questions like doctors giving up prescriptions for medication. Is there a good source book or publication where a person like myself could do some in-depth research?

      1. Unfortunately, there really is no authority. Kratom has not been studied in detail for its medicinal properties. A quick look around any medical journal and the key word kratom will renforce this point.

        You are right that many of the facts about kratom are things that random people discovered on their own. It applies to them, and them alone. However, when you get a LOT of random people sharing their experiences, you have something much closer to reality. Doctor’s do this too- it’s called clinical evidence, ie stuff that the doctor’s observed. Not studies, and certainly not stuff from a textbook. But, it works. You’ve probably heard of off label prescriptions. These are a great example of anecdotal evidence being put to good use.

        You will not find in depth research, especially now that kratom is illegal to study. If you are worried about non-doctor’s sharing information, kratom is simply not for you. However, I encourage you to look to your own experiences once you start. Green strains are great for energy, but some people get anxiety. Reds put most flat on the couch, but other people feel nothing. There is no formula for kratom, everything you read about kratom is simply an average of all effects reported- what works best for you is what you discover works best through trail and error. Hope this helps.

        And Jamaria- if you are prone to mania, I would be careful with introducing new drugs. Even helpful medication taken under the care of a doctor can cause mania in the vulnerable. Kratom will not help your carpel tunnel much, but it will help your back and shoulder. If you need painkillers, kratom is a safer choice, just be very observent with how it affects your mood, energy and most importantly, your sleep.

        Bearing in mind these are averages, and may not apply to you:

        green strain- more energetic, kills pain, makes socializing easier, euphoric
        white strain- best anxiety killer, euphoric, can be energizing or sedating, kills pain (not as well as green on red)
        red- kills pain, more sedative, closest to rx painkillers. Don’t expect to be super productive on a red.

        But again, whatever works best for you is what ever you find works best. If you go the kratom route, grab multiple strains and try multiple doses.

  2. I am a 35yr old female, weight 160 and I’m 5’9″. I am currently in pain management for a cervical herniated disc bulge onto nerves with radicalopathy. I have a history of cervical and lumbar disk bulges, herniations, protrusions, etc. I have cervical spinal stenosis, arthritis, degenerative disc disease and a number of other issues. Before my recent injury which has left me out of work and unable to do much, it didn’t take much to aggravate my neck or lower back and be on severe pain for days or weeks. I have depression and anxiety, and chronic fatigue so daily I take Adderall 30mg 3xday, Klonopin 1.5mg 1xday or as needed and I take Trazodone 250mg at night to help me sleep through the night. I’m also on 15mg of Morphine sulfate ER 2xday and MSContin 15mg 2xday. It has helped very very little with the pain, I have stopped the MSContin(Immediate Release) because of bowel issues. 6 days ago I woke up in debilitating pain all over- my hands, feet, toes, ankles, and knees were swollen and I could not grasp or open anything with my hands. Every morning I wake up in this severe pain though the swelling has subsided since stopping MSContin. My neuro thinks I have RA, so I have to see a specialist first. My father told me to look up Kratom and have been reading all about it, the strains, side effects etc. I don’t know which strain is right for me, I really need something for the chronic severe pain- i don’t do much at all due to my injury but even household chores or walking the dog….by early evening I can barely walk as my legs are in severe pain, my hips and all over. So I want to try a strain for the severe pain but no energizing stuff because of my Adderall…. Though maybe this can replace it? What is the best for debilitating pain? I can deal with euphoria but no crazy stuff. Can I use this in combination with my other medicines? Any recommendarions would be great. Also, I can not take any NSAID’s, Tylenol, ibuprofen nothing because I have bad reactions to all of them. I’m very very sensitive to medicine. I get side effects like rash and swelling of face, mouth, etc from like everything

    1. I think u are like me. I have serve pain and major back problems too. So i know the maeng da strain might be good for u. It helps me out alot and yes i rather take that then adderall any day. The pain is gone for a long time u dont havr to take so many meds to help the pain. I dont have to take pain meds just the kratom and it helps all day. And taking a small about before bed helps u with pain as u sleep. So u wake u good and not in pain. So i hope this helps u .

  3. I am coming off methadone–13 yrs being in it!–I have ordered red thai maeng da (quite a bit of it because I heard it was the best for taking away withdraw symptoms). But I’m reading here that there are other strains just as good if not better for withdraw relief. My question is what other strains should I buy for relief, and to mix with what I’ve already purchased.

    1. You heard right, reds are the closest pharmacological to prescription painkillers. Any red will work, and if you’re planning on tapering off completely, I would not buy any more. It’s much easier to taper off one strain of kratom, instead of multiple strains.

      You’re still going to feel wd-seriously, I hope this isn’t cold turkey. 13 years on methadone means you MUST taper the methadone. Kratom is not enough for cold turkey friend. If you have energy problems, you could try a green strain during the day, but frankly I’d recommend caffeine instead. Best to keep things simple/consistent. Use as much of your one strain as you can tolerate- I recommend supplementing with ginger/ginger tea to suppress the nausea so you can take higher doses. Best of luck!

  4. For years I used a stimulant that is very illegal, but I took it in doses that would allow me to work extensively with an extreme amount of concentration. I’ve not used this stimulant for years now and and unfortunately as my age has increased so has my workload, some days I have actually had to put in 20 hour shifts without anything to boost me. I have a very public position where I manage a popular business in a small conservative town. I need something that will not have any visible effects to the public but will give me EXTREME energy and allow me to focus. Any advice on strains, blends, dosage, etc. would REALLY help, and please remember that I already have a high tolerance to stimulating effects, it’s probably gonna take a lot to get me going.

      1. Personally I would stick to the white vein for you. You want the energy and focus without the “wobbly ” feeling for work. White vein Maeng da would be a good one for that

  5. So I’m tapering off methadone & need to know, what would be the best kratom strain to purchase and dose to start at for withdrawal relief? I am trying to get off the methadone quickly as possible I’m really sick of being owned by it. I was at 98mg my taper drops 1mg a day & I’m at 77mg now. I am pushing myself to not stop or slow my taper yet cuz I truly want to get off the crap. I’ve heard kratom helps tremendously. Anyone have any advice cuz I am desperately wanting to be free of methadone so I would really appreciate any words of wisdom. I’ve been on methadone for over 4 years now, 120mg was my highest dose ever about 2 years ago. I’m a 5’2 115lbs female & I’ve just barely started getting any withdrawal effects & I’ve dropped 22mg in 22 days already, it’s very minimal, the discomfort I’m in so far, but it will hit me hard soon I’m sure, methadone was a bad choice, Im wishing I’d just kicked the heroin & been done instead. Thanks in advance for any help.

    1. You should be looking for an Indo blend. Start slowly. As you decrease the methadone increase the kratom amounts. Good luck!

      1. Pam, Say I’m on 90 mg methadone and I taper 1 mg per day. On day 1 I decrease methadone 1mg and take equivelent of 1mg kratom. On day 2 I decrease methadone 1mg and increase kratom 1 mg, making my kratom dose 2mgs? Do I continue this procedure until I’m off methadone and then taper off a high kratom dose? (Can you give me an estimate of how much that dose might be?) I read where methadone blocks kratom. How do I determine how much kratom to increase 1 mg? I’m 79 and not too quick anymore. Thanks in advance for your patience.

          1. That’s exactly what I did. I detoxed off methadone twice and suboxine once. This last go around I decided to just Quit methadone Instead of tapering, as i found the taper is more of a dragged out torture session Instead of taking a couple weeks to be done with it. KRATOM KRISTIN and Imodium worked wonders, I literally got 100grams of mixed red strains and took my last dose Feb 20th 2015 which was 105mg if methadone, the drive to my clinic is more then an hour away which I spent 4 years commuting to. The next morning I woke up took about 10 grams of red vein Thai which didn’t really break through the methadone but definitely unequivocally took away withdrawals. I did notice if I took 3-5 grams every 3-4 hours I was in a better spot. The thing about Imodium is you have to take a high dose for it to be impactful and I found myself really dehydrated to the point where I would only take it before bed when I mentally thought i was going to get the restless legs. I’m thinking now that maybe kratom alone would of sufficed. Needless to say I’ve been clean from any opiates since feb20 2015 and I owe it all to kratom. The best part about the whole process is I took kratom every day for 21 days ranging from 20 grams when methadone was still coming out of me down to 3 grams toward the end of the 21 days and I felt no withdrawal from kratom at all. I’m back because I heard about all the regulation going on with kratom, it’s a shame because it managed to help me get clean from years if opiate abuse..if you would like to talk more about this seeing as we have similar predicaments let me know or send me an email. God bless and be well

        1. That’s exactly what I did. I detoxed off methadone twice and suboxine once. This last go around I decided to just Quit methadone Instead of tapering, as i found the taper is more of a dragged out torture session Instead of taking a couple weeks to be done with it. KRATOM KRISTIN and Imodium worked wonders, I literally got 100grams of mixed red strains and took my last dose Feb 20th 2015 which was 105mg if methadone, the drive to my clinic is more then an hour away which I spent 4 years commuting to. The next morning I woke up took about 10 grams of red vein Thai which didn’t really break through the methadone but definitely unequivocally took away withdrawals. I did notice if I took 3-5 grams every 3-4 hours I was in a better spot. The thing about Imodium is you have to take a high dose for it to be impactful and I found myself really dehydrated to the point where I would only take it before bed when I mentally thought i was going to get the restless legs. I’m thinking now that maybe kratom alone would of sufficed. Needless to say I’ve been clean from any opiates since feb20 2015 and I owe it all to kratom. The best part about the whole process is I took kratom every day for 21 days ranging from 20 grams when methadone was still coming out of me down to 3 grams toward the end of the 21 days and I felt no withdrawal from kratom at all. I’m back because I heard about all the regulation going on with kratom, it’s a shame because it managed to help me get clean from years if opiate abuse..if you would like to talk more about this seeing as we have similar predicaments let me know or send me an email. God bless and be well

    2. I was in the same boat as you. I’m on day 54 of no methadone. I was on 55mgs steadily for 4 years. I tapered 5 a week till I got to 10mgs, then I dropped daily, 987653 to 0. I got through the initial withdrawals with just cbd hemp oil, then at day 15 my kratom came in the mail. I WISH I would have known about it SOONER! It would have helped so much! I’ve tried all the strains except a white vein strain as I was worried about the stimulating affect giving me more anxiety. I found the best strain would be ANY red vein strain for withdrawls. I’m still using kratom for PAWS. And now I take a green vein strain as it gives me energy. Green vein strains are very good for helping with PAWS. It’ll give you the energy needed to continue living normally. I felt so heavy like I had extra gravity on me, and absolutely no energy. The green vein Bali takes that completely away!!
      But yeah, for initial withdrawal definitely a red vein. Also CBD oil REALLY helped in the beginning. Kept the anxiety and pain at bay, but I had to take ALOT of it, I was dosing every 2 hours.
      I hope this helps. And good luck to you!

  6. I find the Red Bali to be quite energizing (and focusing) among with the euphoria. It’s really amazing. Takes approx 20-30 min to kick in. It’s not good for bedtime, but great for morning and work. Still experimenting with white and green strains. I use it for depression and anxiety, not pain, but appreciate that added benefit.

  7. Will Kraton show up on urine tests? Medically I am a mess. The pain is not allowing me to walk. Plus I am on 6 liters of oxygen. This hour I read blog I have never heard of this herb, I need something for pain and I am chronically depressed …….When you get to where I am I don’t care how bad it tastes Where do I buy this stuff? Please help me ~~~~~Not ready to give up!!! Thank you Was on heavy opiates…. They don’t work

    1. Hi, I suffer from a decent amount of pain myself probably not a bad as where you are but I can somewhat understand where your coming from. PAbotanicals.com is a great site. For pain you really just want to try any RED strains. I get a mixture from that website called Red Fibro and it works wonders also comes in an ULTRA. The Red Borneo works well also. Good luck on your journey, it takes abit of experimenting but when you find what works for you, you can start to breath alittle easier.

      1. Thank You Chris!! I appreciate your reply. I will go to their site!! I am 61 my friends don’t understand the problems I have one of my Church friends accompanies me to Dr. Appts she takes notes, understands Xrays, Dr. diagnoses etc…Its like we have weaved in and out of this snake but she doesn’t want to be involved in my pain relief. Its OK I appreciate all her support!! I can’t imagine life without her 🙂 In 1986 I was assaulted my head hit the concrete it was a knock out!! In 1989 I had a spect scan at OSHU, SAIF wouldn’t accept the diagnosis that it happened at work 2 areas of my brain showed injury diagnosed PTSD 30 years later. What a mess! Thousands Of Ppl
        are worse off! We share our message of understanding and hope! grlbud@ aol ThankYou!!

    2. I don’t know whetit will show on a drug test but i used morphine 11years for pain. The day after i decided to quit, i was in awful pain, i tried about one tsp. of red vein maeng da kratom for the first time and 45 minutes later i began feeling better! I was shocked as i hadn’t expected it to work! The red strains work best for pain, best of luck💚

    3. Not at all. I took a quite large dose the night before taking a urine test for a new job. Although it IS legal, I think people still get nervous that it will show up. I figured if it did, I can just tell them I take it and they could confirm. It IS legal after all. It did not show up and I never heard anything back from the testing facility. You’ll be fine.

    4. Does not show up on pee test unless they are testing for it witch is unlikely. Hill country kratom or happi hippo herbals, or lifeforce kratom is also great. Good luck

    5. Hi Sharon,
      I suffer with chronic pain from arthritis and Kratom is so far the only thing that gives me any notable relief. I found pabotanicals and am extremely happy with the quality and prices. They also treat their customers extremely well. All of the red vein strains are great for pain. I switch between them regularly to keep from becoming tolerant and I use #000 gel caps. Packed they hold a gram each (or very close) . I take 4 grams in the morning with my coffee and then 2 grams every 4 hrs. At bedtime I take 6 grams and I sleep wonderfully. I do however recommend that when you aren’t getting the relief to take a couple days break from the Kratom instead of upping the dose because you don’t want to get a tolerance and taking too much will nauseate you.

  8. Hi all, I’m brand new to this and need some advice. I tried Kratom Maeng Da capsules and then was told that the Expert Maeng Da was more effective. I don’t feel the expert is working. The kratom seemed to help. They are both in capsule form. How many capsules do I take? Please help! Should I switch to the powder form? I need bilateral knee replacements due to lower leg deformities. I’ve been on RX pain meds for the past 7 years my tolerance to these pain meds is to the point where I need large dosages to cut the pain. Withdrawls are horrible. I’m looking for pain relief, energy and euphoria would be a plus lol. So, can someone help me and lead me in the right direction.

    1. In my experience I’ve needed to take at least 10g’s and quit taking the capsules cause I felt that they delayed the effects for too long.

    2. Yes don’t take capsules. They might be old product. For pain. Take plain bali kratom powd powder. I use the smallest sauce pan my kitchen. Fill.3.quarters with water add one tablespoon of bali kratom, turn to med heat for about 30 mins, add 2 Tsp sugar to the pot , very important to make it t as taste better. Turn to a boil for 3 or 4 mins, .just watch for over flow , all the alkoids rise to the top.
      After that poor it into a large mug , even better a pint glass from a bar. Allow 20 min to cool down. DONT STRAIN IT, ALL kratom goodnessential is not water soluble. You won’t even really taste the plant matter because its cooked.

      1. I frequently make my own vitamin/herbs capsules. It’s very easy to do and cheap. All it takes is a “00” capsule machine which you buy online and empty gelatin capsules “00” which are easily bought online. I can’t remember how much I paid, but figure on $40 for both. You have to make sure your empty gelatin capsules are the same size as your capsule machine or it won’t work.

  9. I take 1 oz (1dl) of OJ or Grapefruit juice and throw in a large teaspoon of Kratom. To prevent klumping, put in the liquid FIRST and THEN the Kratom and stir it vigorously with a whisk. Zero klumps when you do it this way.

  10. I’m a 42 yr old female and have ischiofemoral impingement of both hips (bone on bone) with degenerative arthritis, tendinopathy, osteoporosis – after radiation/ chemo for cervical cancer 7 years ago. Recent left hip arthroplasty with 7 total procedures – including repair of two labral tears. Now, I have new labral tear in surgical hip!! I also have fibromyalgia. I have nerve damage from removal of the degenerative muscle and tissues. Have only used oxycodone 20mg 4x/day. (I started out taking 5mg, and ended up on 20mg last 18 months.) Pain MD says cannot help me, due to new DEA regulations Re: opioid use for chronic pain (not recommended).
    He gave me 90 pills and said good luck – no help in coming off this med!!
    I’ve never tried to stop the oxycodone, but a very good friend told me about Kratom and how he was able to stop his pain meds. Does anyone have any recommendations on managing serious pain, insomnia, and anxiety with Kratom…that can please help me figure this out? Esp if anyone has detoxed off oxycodone. Do I start to use this as I lower my dose of oxycodone to help with withdrawals? Do I have to be completely off the pain med for this to work? I have no idea where to even start in tapering off, so any info about the transition to Kratom would be so helpful. I am grateful for any info on strand, dosing, when to start, etc. Thanks so much guys 😉💯.

    1. I would taper myself off the oxycodone slowly. If you can handle it, go down to 3 a day and supplement a dose of oxycodone with a small teaspoon of kratom. If the kratom does nothing for you than try a bigger teaspoon. I would start with green maeng da. Pretty much any smoke shop sells them and it’s cheaper if you buy it in the powder form. If that works good for you than each week take away an oxycodone and add a teaspoon of kratom. Just a warning though, kratom is addictive too just not as bad withdrawals as you get from opiates. Good luck hope this helps.

      1. I have had issues with chronic pain, and dependency on opiates. The last time I came off opiates, I used gabapentin (you need a prescription for) and Kratom. I had NO withdrawl symptoms. I used mainly red veined Bali for this, however I understand Red Veined Indonesia or Borneo is also effective. I have been through horrible withdrawals in the past, and I can’t say how much this combination helped me. I also recommend the amino-acid DLPA, and high dose Vitamin C. I would suggest the Web site “opiateaddictionsupport”. There are many recommendations for opiate withdrawal at home. Good luck!!

      2. So it’s okay to supplement opioid meds with small amounts of kratom? I just ordered some but am afraid of mixing with hydrocodone.

    2. Hi tigerlilly, my supply of oxy has recently dried up as well, I have had kratom for some time just in case I did have my oxi haulted. It is a miracle. I bought vitamin c capsules, emptied them and put the kratom in. 4 caps (or less depending) in the morning and 4 in the afternoon and NO withdraw at all. as a matter of fact, it is very similar to oxi. Gives me energy and euphoria. I hope this helps you

      1. Hi, I’m in the same boat as you, same problem with my prescription. What kind of kratom (strain) did you use? And how much? ( gram or tsp.) I had red vein premium bali the first time. And that worked just like you said. But this time I tried to save a little money and went with a different vendor (all online) I got all these different samples , very nice, but never heardid of some of them..elephant, golden bali….and indo white ultra premium….which to take ? Green Malay, Thai enhanced?

  11. Moderator…could you please explain why you deleted my previous post? There was absolutely nothing wrong with it. thank you

  12. If you ever want to get off of opiates/pain killers, maeng da and bali are the way too go. Still got night sweats but only for a few days. Other then that I experience basically no withdrawl symptoms and that is after years of painkillers. I did notice though you can get withdrawls from kratom but far less severe and it is easier to tapper down. Also I just dump a teaspoon or two of kratom powder right in my mouth and wash it down with something. It’s not the best tasting but a lot easier to do then mixing it and drinking a whole bunch of liquid.

  13. Id say shaken not stirred. Take your desired dose dump it into a Tupperware bowl or protein shake cup pour in some OJ but the lid on tight and shake it like a Polaroid picture. Probabky abot 15 seconds then down the hatch. Pour in a little more OJ to get the left overs and repeat. It blends perfectly with little to no waste.

  14. I started taking kratom a little over a year ago. Im 59 years old, I broke my back seven years ago and now have alot of pain in both of my shoulders. you name it and I was on it the past 7 years for pain. I am now totally off of rx pain killers and I actually feel like I have a life now. while taking the kratom I had hardly any withdrawls from the rx pain killers. I take the Maen Da and white vien and it works good for my pain and gives me energy. I sleep better than I ever did on the rx painkillers. So I recommend kratom to anyone who has pain….It’s a life savor so don’t hesitate to try it…I’ve had two surgerys on my stomach and was worried about how it would effect that and so far I havent had any problems. I hope I never do because kratom is the best thing that ever happend to me….sorry for the spelling…I just try to type fast and dont want to go back lol…good luck to all of you….

    1. I took 4 30mg capsules & it’s my 1st time trying it, will I be okay?

        1. That is a good beginning dose. Then bump it up by one more capsule every other day. In my opinion anyway.

  15. We are transplants from Florida…now living in Indiana. I am struggling issues having kratom shipped to me here. Any suggestions?

    1. Ship it to someone in a different area then shipped back to u understand…… Make shore it’s someone u trust to mail it back to you I know it’s a pain in the ass I do it for someone

  16. So far I haven’t heard anyone talk about the effects of Kratom and your libido. Is there any research or personal experience anyone would share?

    Thanks

    1. My husband went from wanting it once a week or every other week to wanting it every night. Just a little personal experience. It also decreased his sensitivity so he goes for longer with more stamina 😏

    2. anonymous: I very much doubt that, at least the first part… Mitragynine (the active component in kratom) is an opioid agonist, meaning that it has an affinity for the opioid receptors in your brain, and like opiates it will absolutely decrease libido in the vast majority of ppl. ‘go longer with more stamina’, ok, that much might be true – Bobby, think of it like kratom numbs everything down a notch: erotic imagery (and thus, with the brain being the main ‘sex organ’, sex drive) as well as body sensitivity.

      1. Kratom is fantastic for sex in many people! You can talk pharmacology as much as you want, but that isn’t the same as the lived experience of an improved sex life. I don’t claim to speak for anyone else with the following, but here’s how it affects me: I’m less interested in sex while on kratom, IF I’m doing other things. I find it easier to just enjoy whatever I happen to be doing, so there’s not like an increased desire for sexual activity, but when I do decide to switch over to sex mode, it’s fabulous. Orgasms are more orgasmic, for example, and I’m able to lose myself in the sexual experience more easily on kratom. So, overall I rate it highly for sex. I think you might be over-simplifying the presumed pharmacology of kratom. It’s got a lot of active alkaloids that may have a variety of effects, some of them pro-sexual and some not so much.

        1. As this might be true at first, once you’re taking 20+gr/, you’ll notice a MAJOR DECREASE in your sex drive… Trust me.

          I’ve been taking kratom regularly for 10 years now, and I know all the pros and cons too well…

          After that initial “honeymoon’ period with kratom, it becomes the SAME TOIL AS OPIATES… You’re hooked, you withdrawal unless you does a minimum of every 8 hours (minimum, I usually does 5gr about 8 times/day).

          Kratom is like a friend that gets you in trouble all the time: it’s fun to hang out with them now and then, but when you’re doing it every day, it starts fucking up your real life.

    3. It definitely increases sex drive and reduces sensitivity. I can raw dog forever and stay hard and still not “finish” if you know what I mean. It always makes me want it more and like I said, your lady will be more than satisfied… although you might need her butt for you to finish. 😛

  17. Great article. I think you guys should list a beginner dosage as well. I think a sensitive person taking 3 teaspoons might be a little too much. Good stuff though. Kratom is a wonderful herbal medicine and I am so glad I have found it.

    1. I absolutely agree. I took Tramadol for 6 years. I received therapeutic results with just half a tab, with a max of 1 tab per day. Any more than that and I would have bad side effects. When I switched to Kratom, I started with half a tsp, which was enough to receive therapeutic effects. If I had taken what they suggested, I would be so sick and would not have realized the benefits for me. Start at smaller doses and work up to what you need. Keep in mind that it can take up to 45 minutes for the effects to kick in.

  18. What dose in capsule form of premium bali would you start with for pain relief

    1. I use two teaspoon 2times a day a100% pain free it’s crazy the only time I was like that was on feth. Paich I’m not kidding so you have to measure the cniaint in the capsules I just mix with warm water and drink it it gross but the effects are great

  19. HI, my name is Grayson. I have been using kratom for years. I have used many varieties but prefer the Maeng Da variety. I used kratom with high dose fentanyl patches for a while. The narcotics were ruining my life. Its like having a wet blanket on your soul/spirit. I far prefer and advise folks to let go of their narcotics and just stick with nature. Fentanyl was hell to get off of, I cried like a baby. Kratom helped. It still does, I like my life so much better with daily kratom. I’m pleasant (I think), happy (generally, its not a miracle) and energized. I have MS and suffer chronic pain and fatigue. I am very happy kratom is available, I live in a Red State, very conservative, so I leave weed to others until better days. I really advise folks to leave chemical stimulants and narcotics. Research natural unrefined plants its amazing what is there. Love yourself

    1. What dosage fentanyl patch were you on when you started the kratom and how long did it take you to wean off of it. I’ve been on patches for 15 years. I’m on 75 mcg’s would love to be able to get off of them. They are the only thing that gets me out of bed.

      1. Carolyn, I’m sorry, I lost this site and just recently found your reply. I was on twice your dose. There’s no easy path off the patches. I tried to taper for six months. I was on pain medication for about the same amount of time as you describe. I just made a rule, no calling any medical professional for any reason until I had my wits about me. As I described it, “hell”. I will never touch an opiate related medication ever, ever again. The irony is that I was a prescriber, I thought medicine would work. Kratom is not a panacea, pain is still there, fatigue is still there, as is frustration. The good times that happen in between means more somehow. That’s what I depend on now. I always know there is tomorrow, if not tomorrow the day after that. One moment at a time. My family knows me now. I was gone a long time. You can’t make it up, but in the next minute you can make your life better, and the one after that.

      2. I was on 100 fentynal patches for over 20 years. I went off starting last fall. You need to do it under a Drs. Supervision and go down in small increments. I went through 4 1/2 months of horrible withdrawals. It was pure hell and after being completely off, it takes your body approximately one year to adjust. Pain and not sleeping is the problem now. Had I found Kratom sooner, I honestly believe that it would have really helped with the transition off of fentynal. I’m thrilled that a friend turned me on to this product. It’s a life saver.

      3. hello carolyn, i too have been fighting a pain battle for 20+ years now. i have been on more medications and seen more doctors, than anyone would believe. i was on fentanyl patches, 100mcg for over 15 years, as well as 16 other medications and vitamin supplements. i have an extraordinary doctor who has helped me go down to 50mcg by starting me on methadone and morphine extended release. it is like a teeter totter…..a little more here and a little less there….i would be happy to speak to you or anyone who suffers with chronic pain. we have to accept that we are a different type of person because of the pain..

  20. Hi everyone.
    I’m wondering if any or many of you have experienced major differences between Kratom strains with the same names from different vendors? If so, any suggestions on how to find the best suppliers? So far I’ve looked at feedback from buyers. Some of the (apparently) best suppliers are really pricey though, I’ve noticed! I wish my insurance covered it. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! 🙂

  21. Please may I ask? Kratom is used to get off prescription painkillers. What may I ask happens when you get off Kratom?? Do withdrawals occur then? Many thanks Gilbert

    1. Yes, that is exactly what happens.
      Despite what people will tell you online, kratom is not a long term solution for managing opiod withdrawls.
      Kratom can be beneficial in other ways for sure, but not always practical because it is so unpredictable in the intensity and duration. Also, tolerance occurs so rapidly.

      1. >>Do withdrawals occur then? Many thanks Gilbert<>Yes, that is exactly what happens.
        Despite what people will tell you online, kratom is not a long term solution for managing opiod withdrawls. Kratom can be beneficial in other ways for sure, but not always practical because it is so unpredictable in the intensity and duration. Also, tolerance occurs so rapidly.<<

        This is only one person's experience, an while I'm not doubting them, it's an experience that is theirs and is not shared by everyone who has taken it. I took kratom for about 12 weeks after stepping off of 8 mg of suboxone daily, and then, after quitting kratom ( I just stopped and instead should have tapered) I had one day where I had a low-grade headache, similar to caffeine withdrawal – which, if you've ever experienced opiate withdrawal, or WD's coming off of strong opioid agonists like buprenorphine or methadone – is like a day at the beach compared to those. But everyone is different – it depends on your tolerance, how long you were on opiates, and at what daily doses; so no one can say unequivocally how YOU will definitively feel one way or the other, or if you will feel WD's from coming off the Kratom. If you do decide to try it, Take your kratom at minimum doses that are low enough to be effective – ( stick with leaf powder from a trusted vendor – which means you DON'T want to get it from your local "head shop" – and stay away from kratom extracts as these are harder to measure and will also quickly raise your tolerance levels ) and then taper off of the kratom (over a week or so) after enough time has lapsed to allow the other drugs to have left your system – which, if you are currently using bupe or methadone can take far more time than opiates, because of their very long half-lives. No one can tell you what to do. I can personally tell you that Kratom was a blessing for me, it allowed me to get off suboxone after a 2 year run, in a virtually painless way, but… everyone is different.

      2. Kratom withdrawals are SO mild. Please don’t scare people. I’ve taken kratom daily for over a year then stopped and it was nothing worse than a cold and going without coffee for a day. I have a LOT of experience with kratom and prescription pain meds (yes, from my doctor). I have experienced opiate withdrawal more than once and can honestly say that it is FACT that kratom eases the withdrawal of opiates. Kratom is FAR less addicting than opiates.

        1. I can totally agree! I personally have never had withdrawals from the kratom. Now withdrawals from my Tramadol hell yes! It’s hell and the worse depression and makes my pain so much worse not to mention hot and cold flashes, sweating and no sleep! I suffer from chronic pain and I’m only 25 it started major in 2013. I have a herniated disc one so far I think maybe more now I have to check, degenerative disc disease, fibromyalgia, scoliosis, carpal tunnel, and my back issues are messing with my knees and hip and sciatica is hell too. Some days I can’t even walk it’s horrible. And docs suck! If ur young they think ur faking even if u have tests and results showing ur problems. So kratom is a life saver! I tried it last year and order 3 times it helped so much and no withdrawals. I stopped buying because I was able to get back on my tramadol but now I’m having insurance problems so I ordered again. It is life saving and helps alot. And a small one day withdrawal is better than opioid withdrawal. But me personally I haven’t had kratom withdrawals before.

        2. Hi i have fibro,anxiety, bipolar, just severe pain in gen. On 60 mlg methadone 14 years now i was on klonopin 14 yrs 3 a day the dr took me off didnt ween me also took my adderall so im in a tail spin! What do u recommend for me pain,anxiety and need energy want to go off methadone just afraid. Can u take kratom with my med if no what does do i take? Best place to get it and price point? Thank you sorry so long.

          1. Hi Lena. I am “L. Kaiy, Scarlett L.” I posted somewhere a little below, it is actually posted as a reply to another comment, I did that by mistake. Please read that first so you know where I was at. After, read this. So I read yours and most everyone else’s comments here. I can’t relate 100% with anyone here, but I don’t think anyone can. Every situation is different and unique. I am responding to you on the anxiety issue and methadone. I used to take prescribed Valium 10mg as needed for my anxiety, which at its worst had me in panic attacks up to three times a week. I don’t have chronic pain, but I have aches strains etc that would be alleviated by percocet 7.5s, about 4 to 6 or 7 at a time. And 30mg oxycontins. Now yes, I was primarily trying to get a buzz but it would wipe out anxiety and pain and subsequently led me to h***** as a cheaper substitute at the end. I have had previous issues with it, say 10 years ago. My experience since I wrote here last week was I used 5 bags on Friday, the 29th. However, I used nothing from the points mentioned in my last entry TILL then, which was a couple of days. Besides, obviously, the Kratom. I was actually feeling quite well, no withdrawal, and also, no craving the drug either. I felt content. I was taking 12 mg approximately up till Friday every 12-15 hours. Friday it was in front of me, and I just followed old habits. What is there to say. Anyway, after that, which was like I said, Friday evening, after using 5 bags in about 3 hours I didn’t use again and still have not up to now. Saturday morning I took 12 grams kratom. I was fine. Sunday I took none at all. I have no symptoms of withdrawal. Yesterday I took 12 around noon, and the next dose after that was about an hour ago today, which would be 9 a.m. I think I should make a chart it’d be easier to see. But I feel actually ‘well’….I am not craving my drug, I am not in any physical pain, nor emotional distress or anxiety, which is what I am after going 12-20 hours after I last use h*****. By hour 48 I would not be able to stand up straight. I would be having chills, sweats, nausea, and the horrific mind madness of only being able to think of h*****. I am shocked and relieved. I believe this can at least help you if not completely, definitely in SOME way. I would trying to find out more from others with methadone experience how they did. I’ve never been on methadone maintenance but know about how addictive it is and how withdrawal is much longer and intense than h*****. I feel very calm, relaxed, very ‘elated’ in a strange way. I would not say euphoric but absolutely content. This has been a blessing I cannot express. I no longer take Valium as I mentioned earlier, I stopped that about 2 years ago, but this is a much more clear comfortable sedate feeling than I ever got from Valium. Unbelievable results. But it’s all true. I am using Bali, I use a spoon for dosing and put 1/2 to 1 teaspoon on my tongue at a time and swallow it with some water or iced tea. I haven’t gotten sick from this yet and doubt I will. I really suggest you do find a vendor and try this Bali strain, maybe 8 grams to start, and see how you feel. I am comfortable, my usual aches in my back etc. aren’t bothering me. I understand you have serious pain, but give it a try. It won’t hurt if nothing else. I will hope to hear back from you and anyone else. Again good luck to everyone.

          2. Hi. I am posting here on behalf of L Kaiy. She has informed me she will be able to post once a new phone is set up. She has access to read comments but is not able to comment directly. In other words, she is SWIM. Carolyn, a starting point could be 6 grams.

        3. What you call mild, others call torture. It also depends (A LOT!) on your dose per day…

          I took 40 grams/day for months… The withdrawals were a week of RLS/Sweating/Insomnia/paranoia etc… just like any strong opiate would cause.

          If you overdo it with Kratom, you will suffer withdrawals. And they are NOT mild.

    2. I used kratom for a month straight and nothing they say you might get a head ache and it only last for a day any WD don’t sweat it

  22. I have been on 40 mg roxicet for ten years. Had I not discovered Kratom, I don’t know what I’d do. I am 52, have compression fractures in my spine, bulging neck discs, carpal tunnel and chronic pain……and I take 8 mg maeng da capsules a day. I bought a little scale because I want to start buying powder. I don’t have a question, just telling people out there, yes, yes, yes it works, no hoops to jump through and have your pills counted and then the pee tests, take charge of your own pain, we have our good days and bad, I just want to say that for once there’s a way for us pain patients to handle things with dignity,

    1. 8mg?? Kratom usually doesn’t have any effects until about 2g (200+x more). May I ask what vendor you use? I’m so happy you found something to help you, and help you get away from the prescribed poison. I recommend trying Bali strain, or red strains in general. The best for treating pain & sedation. Maeng Da is more known for its stimulant effects. Anyway, best of luck!

  23. HELP!!!
    Hi I’m hoping someone can assist me and tell me what kind and how much to buy in order to replace my pain killers rx pills! I currently take 4 Hydrocodone pills at a time in the 10-325 dosage strength and sometimes I have to take 4 more of them later in the day and I don’t want to keep doing this to me, my liver or my budget let alone it’s becoming so hard to get the scripts for enough to taken at a months supply in the dosages I seem to be needing. I need help to know which type, how much to buy and how often I should take Kratom in order to stop taking this rx and place my first order immediately. Please reply- please help me choose and educate me!! Also after reading the comments on this site, I thought “capsules” was what I should buy but now it seems most everyone here is mentioning “powder” instead. I need to have the pain relief but I do also like the initial feeling the rx gives me as well. Please reply and help me.

    1. Cris I do not take pain meds unless i have pain or prescribe by a doctor but I have been trying the different strains, white, red, and green. Here is what I have been dosing (my wife too with similar effects) and the effects I have received:

      Plantation Maeng Da – 1st time dose was 2 teaspoons – heavy head effect to the point of being uncomfortable when moving. When I sat down and stayed still, it was very calming and relaxing. Once the head effect went away, about 45 minutes after sitting, i was super calm and relaxed. The entire experience lasted about 3.5 hours
      2nd dose was 1.5 teaspoons and will say that it was perfect for me. Relaxed, calm, and the ability to think with a clear mind.

      *Note – this will be good substitute for my ADHD med to get me over the hump when I run out of my prescription.

      White vein indo – 1.5 Teaspoons – about half of the effect of the Plantation Maeng Da – will up my dose by .5 teaspoons next dose

      *Note – this will be a good substitute for my ADHD med to get me over the hump when I run out of my prescription.

      Green Bali – 2 Teaspoons – similar to what you would achieve with ADHD medicine without the grind or edge – I felt alert but the wife had other effects of euphoria but when she took a single teaspoon, no effect at all.

      Red Vein Maeng Da – 1.5 Teaspoons, dosing as I write this and this strain / variety feels like I took a pain killer – i feel super relax, very chill and would probably say this strain/variety would give you the pain killer substitute you are looking for – i can feel this strain throughout my body unlike the others strain/variety i have been experimenting with. Even a little heaviness where my body is being pushed into the couch. I dont feel like I am gonna crash or goto sleep but relaxed.

      One consistency I have experienced is the calming effect and elimination of any anxiety.

      My write-up may not be what you or anyone else may experience. I am on the path of finding an alternative to prescription medication for ADHD but in the process have found other uses of kratom.

    2. og bali powder.
      5-10 grams 2-3x Daily, worked for me, and I was on pain meds for years.you may want to lower the dose for your needs, as my tolerance skyrocketed after 9 years of meds. and high dose. 200mg oxycodone daily.
      so I would say 100 grams should get you through the first week of hell. best thing I ever did!
      best of luck to you

      1. Going into around 35th hour after last opiate use (last use 2 bags *****n, 7 total within past 24 hrs. active use). Took 8-10 grams Bali at 22nd hour of w/d, with grapefruit juice. Some anxiety, mild uncomfort, chills, and no sleep at all…but not horrible. Took 12 grams same (Bali) about 35 minutes ago, no grapefruit juice. Feel less degree of everything I felt before, anxiety, disomfort, chills, still not sleepy at all, but able to move, etc. This is NOT how I would feel at this point ‘on my own’, ‘cold turkey’, IN ANY WAY AT THIS POINT. Absolutely by this point it would have well started to be extremely uncomfortable and nearing almost unbearable anxiety and stomach upset. I attempted this about two weeks ago dosing every six hours and made it to about 72 hours but folded and used. I have been through this many times before, over my life. I am actually hopefull and looking forward to going through it and no way in any form have I ever felt ‘well’ this long without to feel that way. I have used suboxone unsuccessfully about 10 years ago for about 48-72 hours if I recall, then using again. Good luck, everyone, in this boat with me. I will update as I progress…or, ‘digress’…hopefully not, one hour, MINUTE, a time.

        Scarlett L.

      2. Hi love.
        Im living with severe mental illness and chronic pain.
        Just released from hospital after a successful 8 minute death.
        I was told to try Kratom and nurse couldnt give me mote information besides “get the happy energetic mood enhancing pain relief one”.
        I suffer from occasional insomnia. Im at 300MG a day of vicodin 10/325 every 4 hours. When itd an all night or two, Im at 600MG.
        I am going to a specialized after I get my kids and i into a shelter.
        You sound like me pain wise and such.
        But due to my mental disability I have to ask if you dont mind…what EXACT TYPE OF KRATOM AND STRAND??? I am using 6g of premium bali atm and not helping…

        1. Jackii: I use Bali, Original Bali, plain old Bali, there’s 101 (it seems) out there, but Bali is from all I’ve read and such, the “most opiate-like”…I think you should start with 5-8 grams and adjust from there. I’m doing amazingly well at this point, my other posts are scattered around (Scarlett, Kaiy, is I) if you read them you’ll have a better idea. I used a RED VEINED BORNEO and it made me anxious, tremendously so, I tried it a few times, to be sure that was the reason, and it was. Near panic attack anxiety. Look for sedating strains, pain relieving strains, Bali I recommend and don’t have much or any at all experience with all the others, but I chose correctly.What a difference in my life. Since you need pain relief, you may need more but listen, order some Bali. Take it on an empty stomach, mix it with fruit juice I think is best way. Kratom withdrawals to me seem like a cold, and a sluggish feeling, but nothing NOTHING like withdrawals from pain meds, etc. Good luck to you. Let me know how it goes.

          1. PS Jackii Quinn: PLEASE do not stop any of your psych meds without a doctor knowing and tapering you. Kratom has given me a very calm peaceful mood but things like prescribed antidepressants, etc., really need and must be managed by a doctor. Taper down carefully. I’m speaking not from personal experience on that but from first hand witness experience, be careful. I wish you well, I’m glad you’re here now and ok

    3. Hey Chris,
      I am 57 and just stopped a 24 year Chronic pain med dependence with the help of Kratom. I am currently taking 1 measuring tsp every 4 to 6 hr of Red Vein Thai in the afternoon and evening. I start the morning with the same dosage of Plantation Bali. I hope this helps. I have only tried one vendor and felt I found a reputable one. Do your homework and find a good one. My method for swallowing Kratom works unbelievably well. I use the very best Promise Land chocolate milk. I put a little in my mouth then tap the teaspoon on my bottom teeth (a plastic spoon) the kratom falls in followed by by a mouthful of chocalate milk, swish and swallow. Then rinse the remainder down.
      I hope this helps.

      1. Hi this is ‘L. Kaiy’. I just read your entry, that is AMAZING and wonderful I am so happy for you! That’s such a long long time to be on pain medication. Blesses to you!

      2. What I do is measure 3to4teaspoon of Bali and Kali together in a small container with lid with warm water very little enough to mix make it a little watery not paste and down it a shot lol and chase it with out ever I’m drinking I like it with my coffee

    4. Kratom tastes nasty but in my and my husbands experience, capsules just don’t cut it. To me it seems like the effect is so blunted or not there at all.

  24. I stumbled on to kratom because i wanted to find something close to rx. Painkillers to help me detox. I bought bali and maeng da and i love them both. MAeng da i take about 2.5 grams more or less the capsules are 600 mg and i take four of them in the morning on an empty stomache with a warm tea and the give me energy and help tons with my mood. In the evening i take the same amount of bali same way and keeps my mood the same happy and at peace helps with pain and relaxes me but not to the point of nodding off. Thank goodness for this plant i have been able to detox and not have withdrawls.

    1. I do the same. But for the some extreme pain I have I do 2 level tsp of maeng da in the morning and and 2 level tsp of Bali in the evening. (I am treating skin cancer with topical BEC5 and it stings and burns, and I need these in my system before I change the bandage and reapply the cream. It works like a dream and I find I am more productive and sleep like a dream. 🙂

  25. I am trying to get of the pain med’s i ask my doctor about the kratom he told it would not work I done seeing my doctor please some one let me know if this work’s I lost my leg’s 4 year’s ago I am walking but I have a very bad back . I know if i stop the pain med’s i will get sick some one told me to try this i just what to make sure it work’s

    1. I was on dilaudid 32-40mg a day and got off cold turkey and started the Kratom within a day or so and it was a life saver. I am completely off the pain meds and only on Kratom. My life is so much better. I think I am starting to get addicted to the Kratom though, lol. I’ll take this over narcotics anyday.

    2. Hi Bud, I just started Bali today and I’ve been on 30 mg Roxies for 5 years, I have not felt so good in years. I’ve been seeing pain specialists for years and my life revolved around pain, Doctors and pain meds also laying on a heating pad constantly. I started the Bali at 10 this morning and didn’t even think about my meds and my mood has been awesome from no pain. God Bless and Best of Luck to you.

    3. Hey bud,
      Amputee also here. Going with Bali and any red vein variety. Kratom is the way to go. I bought a capsule machine on EBay for $20 and powder from Mindandmood.com. I do suggest that site. Amazing vendor.

  26. I have up until now, been experimenting with different strains of Kratom capsules, however, just received my first order of a Sampler Powder Pack that my friend suggested. What is the best way to take the powder? He uses “toss and wash” but I’d just like to know if it can be dissolved in warm water like tea or disguised in any other type of beverage? I’m anxious to try the powder as I have had chronic pain and am trying to get off of Rx pain killers, as many of you have said. Thanks for any advice…

      1. I do the same EXACT thing with club 13 red vein Bali powder and 8 oz of o.j. It’s been such a blessing in my life. I was being prescribed 200 30mg oxy’s for pain & 90 10 mg valium. I just wish insurance would pay for kratom…that would be nice!!😉

        1. I agree about insurance because my husband and I both use it and it can get pretty pricey. It would be great if they covered it but I doubt that will ever happen.

        2. Hi Christi!
          I’m really glad to hear that the Kratom is working so well for you! As for me, I’m in a bind.
          I’ve got major pain due to an inoperable cyst + injured jaw / TMJ due to the cyst. (I was a singer—Now it’s a challenge to eat and even talk at times.) I’m trying Kratom because right now I can’t find find a doctor who will prescribe. I wish it was stronger. Unfortunately my pain is really major. I was thinking that maybe a mix of oxys (if I can get them again) and Kratom might do it. I always hear stories like yours about doctors who will prescribe heavy duty amounts of oxys (like what you described) but can’t find one for myself. I’m in the MA/NH area, which may have something to do with it. I was just wondering if your doctor is by any chance in the northeast US area, and if he’s/she’s still in business? I really think I need the script…but would like to take both the pills and the Kratom and see what happens. My insurance will only cover the pills, of course. I hope to hear from you. God Bless.

    1. I mixed my white maeng da approx 1tsp in chocolate pudding! Worked pretty good. I have a very bad back, and prefer kratom over the RX pain killers!

      1. Hi jessica, I also suffer from a bad back and fibromyalgia. I’ve been researching the different types of kratom and can’t decide which would be best for me. If you’re open to it, I’d definitely like to talk about your experience with kratom.

        1. I think bali is pretty good for pain and helps you feel calm and at peace. I take 3 grams and works really good without putting me out.

    2. This stuff will clump up in cold drinks like OJ, so here’s what I do. Put your kratom in a mug with a nice spoonful of sugar and a couple mint leaves or mint teabag, then pour boiling water over it, let it sit a minute, then toss in a coupe ice cubes and drink it down. The mint and sugar actually make it taste good, just be sure to stir a couple times as you drink to make sure you get all the powder down.

      1. Hi, I take Club 13 Red Vein Bali (powder) for my pain & use 8 ounces of o.j.. You just have to shake well & drink it down. I’ve never had a problem!😉 God bless!

    3. I mix powder with cocoa and xylitol (sweetener – you could use whatever to sweeten), add a bit of hot water to dissolve everything into a syrup – add milk. I hardly taste the kratom in chocolate milk. You could use almond, rice or soy milk if you don’t do dairy.

    4. I put mine in a little super hot water to dissolve, stir and then add a little cold water and chug it quickly.

  27. It all seems to be a hit n miss at this level. I hope to find my regular dosage soon. Thanks much for experienced advise.

  28. i bought green maeng da premum powder. will that cause euphoria and kill pain? i need a bit of both and was wondering how much to take…

    1. Yes it will. I bought the green and white maeng da today and I have chronic pain. Helped so much!! I think I’m my opinion the white is better than the green maeng da:)

    2. I also in dosage wise took bout two teaspoons. But I took 1tsp of the white and 1tsp of the green.

    3. Yes and premium Bali.meant daand Malay these work with pain happy mood and a high like feeling it’s great

  29. I was told that 1/2 teaspoon is equal to 2 grams. You are saying 1 teaspoon is equal to 2 grams. Can you please tell me which is correct.

    1. Just buy a cheap, digital scale. I am utilizing Kratom to get off of my Hydrocodone addiction. Prescribed, but I don’t like taking them anymore. Annoying cycle. Anyways, it works perfectly and I take a combination of Red Thai and White Maeng Da. 4g Red Thai and 2-3g of the White Maeng Da together. But yeah, for all purposes, you’d really need a scale so you can keep your doses precise and controlled. Most efficient way to medicate.

      1. Not completely true…no offense Diana 🙂 so please dont take it like im being rude bc def not my,intention..just want to,clear a few things up. It all depends on the strain,quality,if its compacted powder, how finely milled it is and fluffy etc etc..also if you want to b more accurate use a bakers plastic teaspoon n get a cheap scale.measure whatever your scooping it with while its empty first, then scoop whatever amount and the difference is amount in the teaspoon,,,you will notice that just finely milled powder can range from roughly 1.5g-4g depending on product n density.: ) hope this helps a little more…this way you know precisely how much your taking and not guesssing.i plastic teaspoon will most likelly hold more if its not level (which is way more than a teaspoon) a typical teaspoon should be 2gbut again density n compactedness play a big role..scooping up a teaspoon. Of sugar will obviously weight more than kraytom unless the k is packed to the max..give it a try!!! Be safe everyone!!!

    2. When I weighed mine 1 tsp equaled slightly more than 2 grams
      I asked my supplier and she said 1 tsp equals 2.5 grams. Every tsp is going to be slightly different.

  30. I use mitragyna speciosa for severe chronic pain. I previously took Rx’d opioids for 10+ years. I made the choice to taper myself down, and then go off them. My choice, not the doctor’s. Though I had no psychological addiction to my pain meds, I definitely had a physical tolerance. I didn’t find speciosa until I had gone through WDs and PAWs. I take it almost daily now, as I choose to take it over narcotics and I’m almost 57, so who cares. 😉 It kicks my pain in the butt, and I never allow myself to take more than MY standard (described in last paragraph).

    AND YES, less is more. I take approximately 7 g. a day, taken in small doses throughout the day (2g a.m. /2g p.m. /3g @bed). Again, my pain is severe. My doctor told me that I will never be out of pain without opioids. Well, let’s just see what happens, Doc…

    For pain, the red veins work the best. Each individual will have different effects due to your body’s unique chemistry, and each batch is probably going to vary in alkaloid content, so you will have to figure out a dosage yourself. However, do NOT go to a vendor site and go by their dosage recommendations. Start out low, and increase in small increments until you find relief. I would start with 1 gram or 1/2 level tsp. (standardized baker’s 1/2 teaspoon).

    Very important thing is to purchase some digital gram scales. You can get them for less than $10 and they are accurate if cared for properly. I also want to clear up a serious miscalculation I have seen over and over on kratom forums. I only use a standardized baker’s teaspoon to measure. I buy “micronized kratom”, and time after time after time… NOW LISTEN… ONE LEVEL TEASPOON of micronized kratom is generally very closely equivalent to 2 grams. Try it, but know that it also depends on the kind of “grind” they used on your kratom powder.

    It saved my life. My husband says he fell in love with me all over again after I detoxed from those evil Rx’d narcotics. Stay safe, and keep this wonderful plant legal. It can be your lifesaver too.

    Thank you, Mother Nature!

    1. This is a very good post for me as I’m just now in the same predicament. I have herniated discs in my thoracic spine which the surgeon said they do not like to correct those b/c they would have to go through my chest to reach the discs as the anatomy of the thoracic spine leaves no room to reach the discs from the back. Okay, I’m coming off the meds b/c of a new problem with hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) that is somehow affected by my meds it seems. His idea to discontinue the pain meds for now, understandable BUT, I was not offered an alternative. Fine, I understand and will comply BUT you haven’t corrected my spine, I still have pain! Can’t take NSAIDS now b/c I have an ulcer from them. What choices did it leave for me? I live in Florida, front and center in the news when the federal crack down on pain meds took place. (The news loves to make an example out of Florida.) I found out about Kratom when I was Googling for information about dealing with PAWS. I am now using it to taper myself since the doctor didn’t. I have only used it for 5 days, and only tried the meang dah. It has worked for me well enough, but armed with the info on this page from the article, table, and reader comments I know how much and what to try.

    2. Dear God…10 years of pills, I can’t even imagine! No wonder your hubby fell in love all over again!

  31. does anyone know how long it takes for this herb to work for high levels of pain?i really don’t know how to make the uedm gold herb work best for me. if anyone knows anything please help.

    1. Dear Sharone,

      I empathize with you. First of all, I would not take the “uedm”, and I assume you mean “ultra enhanced” capsules. You may develop a tolerance very quickly on these “enhanced capsules” with the need to take more, plus they are expensive, or so I have heard time and again in these forums. I use the toss and wash method with the plain micronized leaf powder, and I get pain relief on an empty stomach or partially empty stomach in about 20-30 minutes with a good red vein. Each red vein is different, and most people prefer the Bali for pain relief. I use several of the red vein varieties, and on me, they all work pretty well. I guess I am pretty sensitive to kratom even though I previously took narcotics for the pain.

      Also, please see my longer post, also posted on 12/21/15. I wish you all the luck in the world, and if you have further questions, please ask.

      1. I used all sort of pain pills for back pain but also for energy!!! Been taking pure thai for a while and got to where it not working as well. What is the step up from there, pain, energy and stress is what I strive for. Also what does a let’s say pd of pure thai go for on internet and where is a good place to order from. Thanks billy

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