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Average Powdered Leaf

MeasurementOunces
1 gram0.035 ounces
50 grams1.75 ounces
100 grams3.5 ounces

Crushed Leaf

MeasurementGrams
1 Tablespoon2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon0.9 grams
000 Capsule0.70 – 1 gram

Bali Powder

MeasurementGrams
1 Tablespoon6.2 grams
1 Teaspoon2.3 grams
000 Capsule0.75 – 1 gram

Maeng Da Powder

MeasurementGrams
1 Tablespoon7 grams
1 Teaspoon2.6 grams

Green Malay Powder

MeasurementGrams
1 Tablespoon6.9 grams
1 Teaspoon2.4 grams

Extract Capsule Conversion (00 Capsules)

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Extract00 Capsule DosageEquivalent Powdered Leaf
Gold Reserve Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram7-8 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Indo Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf
ISOL-8 Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-7 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Maeng Da Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Red Kali Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf

This Post Has 1,453 Comments

  1. LL

    Hi all, I am a physician with passion for addiction medicine and a degree in public health. The only reason I mention these qualifications is to provide some credibility to my advice. The best strategy for obtaining long term life, changing goals is to find a psychiatrist or provider with in-house therapists who you trust and can be open with. Look at community health centers in your area – they provide care and help with prescriptions, housing, jobs, etc and see patients regardless of ability to pay. Then, group talk therapy (narcotics anonymous, etc) and psychotherapy are needed weekly for most people to make lasting changes and develop predetermined plans or coping strategies for when you get the itch to use. Also, everyone needs a support system. So reach out to friends/family/support groups to talk about your struggles. Medication assisted therapy is great for people in the short term and works well but will be difficult to stop. Everyone who is looking for help with addiction and looking for supplements to help – they can but be careful. I believe Kratom can help people struggling with opiate addiction. However, using any substance with opioid receptor agonist mechanism will continue the harm to your brains feel good system. It isn’t until you stop or significantly decrease your opioid use that the brain can start to recover. Everyone has struggles and addictions they just all don’t look the same. If you want to help yourself and be part of a nationwide cultural revolution, then please seek out help (community health center addiction treatment services), join a group, invite people to group, talk openly about mental health to reduce the stigma, exercise, sleep well, eat plant based, meditate, and Volunteer in your community in a way that feels good to you. A majority of people with addictions, chronic unexplained pain and chronic anxiety/depression have untreated/repressed trauma (abused as a child, domestic abuse, etc). You can’t begin to heal until these dark and personal history is recognized and confronted. Also if you have untreated depression, anxiety, ptsd, insomnia) you need to find a health care professional to help you overcome these issues. SSRI or cognitive behavioral therapy will improve these problems and reduce cravings and pain which will make you more successful in the fight of addiction. I hope those who read this understand that I am not trying to belittle or simplify addiction. I merely am trying to help and provide some bystander directions on your path to optimizing your health and happiness. Love yourselves. I believe in all of you and know that you are capable of accomplishing lifelong happiness. Best wishes!

    1. Ambear

      Yeah subutex and suboxone are prescribed all over the place now. More so than oxy it seems now. Since Purdue’s lawsuit I think doctors are maybe slightly more hesitant to dish it out to everyone. But they seem to be really pushing the buprenorphine. I can get that stuff on the street any time of the day or night or go to the doctor and get a script. [ I’ve done both for years] It is good for kicking the hard stuff but I think that is all it should be used for. Once you get through the opiate withdrawals you gotta stop taking it. Years go by before you realize and that just can’t be what life is intended to be lived like forever. I’m using kratom and I’m crossing my damn fingers that I can be smart this time and use it to kick withdrawals and keep my mind right. What a wild ride huh? This is the first time in YEARS that I have been off all pharmaceutical opiates or black “market” opiates or subutex or suboxone. Kratom seems to be saving my life right now and I think that’s pretty impressive. I think it’s probably best to not be taking anything for the rest of my life but for now kratom is a stepping stone just as the sub was. . . Kratom is an amazing thing. For now.

  2. Billy prez

    I’ sometimes think I’m a unique addict but not so stupid to know that’s bull but anyways I was on subs for a few years and hated it tapered off and felt really shitty afterwords then I was some what obligated to start a big const job to pay the bills so I started taking loperamide no more then 80 a day for about 8weeks to finish the job I tried quitting that cold turkey but wasn’t successful I’m no stranger to kicking Oxys cold turkey numerous times but I’m 54 and getting to old to do that physically and mentally anyway I got down to about 25 Imodium a day but felt like shit for a month now and I am mentally spent after thinking about getting high for a week with plenty of money to do so I researched Kratom and bought some I took about 5 grams I’m 6 ft 265lbs not sure if that matters I feel pretty good I’m in the experimental stage and the posts were very helpful i I may also try some Aa or NA but not sure if this is clean time or not my main concern is being hooked on another substance so I want to know if anyone has a home recipe for getting off Kratom after uh maybe a few weeks thanks billy

  3. Kendell Clark

    For anyone who is interested, I have just told my kratom story to these fine people. I want to help others stay on kratom, as well as other addicts suffering with an opioid addiction stay on kratom, or get on it if they’re not currently on it. I’ll offer again, and then I’ll shut up. If you need or want help, encouragement is probably the best I can offer along with dosing advice, email me privately at coffeekingms at gmail. My kratom story was an attempt to do just that. I believe I have finally made a turning point. dJohnson was right and I was wrong. They can be beaten. Kratom alone won’t do it. It will manage the pain and the withdrawals, and it may help with depression if you’re lucky, but it won’t fix the main problem. That’s an emotional or mental one. You ahve to want to stay off for it to take. I no longer want or need tramadol nor any other opioid, apart from kratom. If that makes me an addict still, so be it. But I’ve transitioned to something I can buy at my local smoke shop, legally, with no doctors who can choke off the supply or cut my dose down. I do wish it were cheaper, but I can’t complain, since I’m greatful it’s available at all. All I can offer people who are interested in kratom is this. Don’t believe the articles from web md and the mayo clinic that say kratom is dangerous and that it does not work. It can be dangerous, if you take too much, but all that happens if you take too much is that you may feel nausea and you may, not will but may, throw up. You cannot overdose on kratom and die, unless you mix it with other substances, like benzodiazepines, like valium or zanax, or antidepressants like amitriptyline. I think kratom is well known enough that you can consult your doctor or pharmacist if you want to take kratom with other stuff, but I’m not certain of that. Thanks to KassodyReece, who gave me the final push to beat back the tramadol cravings. That and Brian Gallagher who managed the podcast and encouraged me as well. If I get further comments telling me to stop commenting, so be it. Anyone considering takeing tramadol, please reconsider. THe opioid withdrawals are bad enough, but it then compounds that with antidepressant withdrawal, could turn you psychotic. It did to me. You can take opioids without becoming hooked, but it is tricky. You can follow the scrip to the letter and still become hooked. If this happens to you, try not to beat yourself up too much. Becoming addicted doesn’t mean you’re weak willed, or there’s a falty circuit in you somewhere. I don’t understand the psychology of addiction so I’ll stop there. If you want to get off and stay off, kratom can help. But if you don’t, kratom won’t do much more than manage the pain and symptoms, it won’t magically cure the whatever is keeping you from successful recovery.

  4. CJ

    Paul a besselievre,
    how the fuck did you get prescribed subutex? I thought they only used them at rehabs, and only prescribed suboxone (fucking garbage makes me withdrawal 10x harder). Subutex is THE best for withdrawal. But drs wouldnt script them out. Suboxone is so ass backwards its not even funny. I get the fact that they wanna put the opiate blocker naloxone in it to keep you from relapsing, but everytime i tried doing subs, it would make my withdrawals so much worse and i wouldnt get past 2 days before im making phone calls except for this last time 3 weeks ago. Idk most of the time it fucks me, but the last time wasnt bad, just sweaty sleeps. God i hate suboxone. Subutex should be universally accepted over that shit

    1. J

      I agree about the subutex. Where I live they prescribe subutex to pregnant women, and people who claim the naloxone in suboxone makes them sick or whatever. Had I have had subutex ingested of suboxone, I probably wouldnt have turned to kratom. But that’s neither here nor there now. The naloxone doesnt prevent abuse anyways. I use to shoot up my sub strips daily, I was never thrown into precipitated withdraws. But anyways I’m on kratom now and feeling pretty decent so far. My intention to to stop using this in another week, making it 2 weeks in total of using it to kick subs.

    2. Ambear

      Yeah subutex and suboxone are prescribed all over the place now. More so than oxy it seems now. Since Purdue’s lawsuit I think doctors are maybe slightly more hesitant to dish it out to everyone. But they seem to be really pushing the buprenorphine. I can get that stuff on the street any time of the day or night or go to the doctor and get a script. [ I’ve done both for years] It is good for kicking the hard stuff but I think that is all it should be used for. Once you get through the opiate withdrawals you gotta stop taking it. Years go by before you realize and that just can’t be what life is intended to be lived like forever. I’m using kratom and I’m crossing my damn fingers that I can be smart this time and use it to kick withdrawals and keep my mind right. What a wild ride huh? This is the first time in YEARS that I have been off all pharmaceutical opiates or black “market” opiates or subutex or suboxone. Kratom seems to be saving my life right now and I think that’s pretty impressive. I think it’s probably best to not be taking anything for the rest if my life but for now kratom is a stepping stone just as the sub was. . .

  5. kendell clark

    In for a penny, in for a pound. I’ll try to shut up after this comment. But I have to vent, a bit. Nothing you guys or anyone else has done, not online anyway. I’ll try my best to be brief. I have no support. My wife supports me, or says she does, but when we get into bad arguments she reverts to the, I’m tired of supporting an addict line, so I’m no longer sure. She has her own pain meds but doesn’t share, at my insistance, she would. We are on SSI, government money. That money does not last long, and kratom is expensive. I am not asking anyone for money to be perfectly clear. But a little emotional support from someone, anyone, would be nice. Being called a junky by your own mom takes it’s tole. Being refused financial help because she thinks you’ll spend it on pain meds definitely takes it’s tole. I buy kratom twice a month, when I can afford it. Once when I can’t. That’s why I’m so insistant on finding the right dose and sticking to it.I will be honest and say a few hundred capsules from someone would be nice, but I’m hesitant to ask anyone for those too. I don’t want to be mistaken for a trole, I’ve been called one before. Now that I’m not ordering tramadol I have a little more money, but ace cash express payments are killing my bank. Paying off a switch, which admittedly was my own fault, but damn it I wanted, just once, to get one christmas present I really wanted, doesn’t help. I’m not going to go over all our bills, this isn’t a whine forum. All this comment was meant to do was point out that emotional support may not be as important in kicking the habbit as replacement drugs, it places a crucial role. When you haven’t slept in a week and can no longer remember you own name, are in either crippling depression because a mythical character on a mythical show got injured or died or went into a towering rage because your favorite digimon got hit by an attack … you know you have problems. My mom has a very dim view of pain meds period. She’s one of the, tylenol and advil work for everyone except addicts people.

    1. Chris G

      What the… what is wrong with you. You need some help man.

    2. Dia Rainne

      Dude – watch the documentary “Church of Felons” on Amazon Prime.

    3. Myke

      Kendell,
      It is obvious you need to be in rehab. It is not your mom’s job or anyone elses to understand your addiction. If they choose to then God bless them. To blame your mom for being ignorant and not sharing her medicine tells me you are gone and need help my friend. We d

    4. Kitty Curr

      I’m an intractable pain patient…. for those who don’t know, intractable is a chronic pain patient except intractable means you have exhausted any possible treatments.
      There is no making me better, just trying to have some quality of life.
      My fathers alcoholism took away my childhood, my 1st marriage became an abusive nightmare due to alcohol and drugs. Now, after working hard my whole life I’m stuck in this hell of endless physical pain.
      And when I now am in need of pain medication the Gov takes it away.
      Frankly, I have no more compassion left. Addicts have options I will never have. I’ve grown tired of all of the attention being given to addiction. You wanna talk about suffering? I’ve been in 24/7 excruciating pain for 21 years. Lay down and let me run over your spine with a forklift, then we can talk about suffering in a way we both will understand.
      Stop feeding the addiction and get treatment.

      1. Kelly Fish

        It’s tough I know. I was talking 6 or 8 /50 mg tramadol three times a day. For 6 years. And hydrocodone and norco. I quit cold turkey. Except for pot. Took a month to feel like my self.
        Was the worst month ever. I have had two spine fusions lumbar and thoracic . Bad car accident.
        I take kratom now. Some days 15 grams . Some days 6 or 8. Depending on my pain. And also smoke some pot and injest edibles . I live in CO so it legal.
        If kratom is made illegal. I honestly don’t know what I’ll do. I don’t ever want to take prescription drugs again.
        There are days nothing works. And I hurt everywhere.
        Luckily I have a wonderful partner. She is supportive and loving. She knows my past . And sees me struggle with pain and depression. She also struggles with pain from injuries from the war in Iraq. She has meds tramadol from va. But rarely takes them. Or anything for that matter. I don’t even think about taking her meds. No matter how bad life’s been.
        Lost mom and both brothers in two years. Depression is a bitch and add chronic pain to that. It could make anyone spiral. We have had counseling together and separately. That has helped us understand each other.
        We are all humans. We have pain and weaknesses.
        I know everyone’s story is different. And may not be able to kick drugs prescription or street. Like I did . But hang in there. Life is beautiful if you can only get your head above the clouds.

  6. kendell clark

    commenting on this thread because it seems to be active. Disregard my other comments if you see them, I’ll summarize. Was on tramadol 50mg at first two, maybe three years ago now, can’t remember precisely. Moderate scoliosis, according to the docs, did not equate to moderate pain. LIke many hear, tramadol 50mg was enough initially but not for long. Gradually, very very gradually, went up to 100mg at a dose, 3 times a day, sometimes four. 60 pills ran out quickly. Pharmacy would not refill and doctor would not re-prescribe. Sent me to what she said was a pain doc but that guy tried fobbing me off on cordisone injections, which I didn’t even attempt. Doctor got frustrated with me, I began ordering the crap over the internet from US based pharmacies that imported the stuff from, I think, india. Started out at 157 dollars for 240 100mg pills. Price started going up, amount started going down. Overdrew bank account multiple times, often at or past the overdraw limit to get the stuff. I did manage to get it once a month except for a couple of very bad months. Took out one lone from, I think, ace cash express to get more. They’re still bugging me. Went to kratom about a year ago. pharmacist told me to take 2 500mg capsules at most. Those did nothing. Have begun taking 4 to 10 capsules at a dose depending on the pain. Tramadol withdrawal is some of the worst I’ve ever felt. Have never been on harder drugs but tram wd is bad enough, I felt like going on a killing spree, or committing suicide, or maybe both. Never tried either, but felt like it. Couldn’t sleep. Terrible RLS. Alternate meds did nothing because they weren’t opioids. Even I knew what that meant. Went back on the tram about 6 months ago because kratom online prices were too much for not enough capsules and my local smoke shop only had max 120 500mg red maeng da capsules. Went off the tram a month ago after very reluctantly paying 415 bucks for 180 200mg pills. Fighting the urge to go back on the tram because of one pill versus multiple capsules. Cannot stomach the powder, cannot easily measure it because I can’t see much. Now the smoke shop has 1000 500mg red maeng da capsules for just over 80. Have had both the smoke shop’s capsules, which are KraveKratom branded, and online kratom capsules and powder, have noticed no difference in effects between them. Ideally I’d like to take just 1 500kg capsule but that’s not realistic. Want the minimum dose I can take to get opioid effects, to both relieve my scoliosis pain and suppress any lingering tramadol withdrawal symptoms. Please do not lecture me on the fact that kratom is a drug, I’m just replacing one drug with another, I’ll eventually either become addicted to this or overdose and die, my mom has done all this, thanks. I’ve resigned myself to being a junky forever, so might as well take whats legal and won’t end up with a narc showing up at my door with his own judgemental attitude. I don’t just want help hear, I want to start helping others. Have published my email in another comment, I believe on the making tea page, for anyone who wants it so they can get or give help. I will not, ever, go to a drug rehab program. Those seem to be either a drug dispensary thinly coated in religion, or an only religion an no drugs, neither of which I want. Nothing against religion or drugs before I piss anyone off, but I don’t think getting naloxone, bupranorphine or methadone will help, all that will do is get me addicted to one of those, or maybe all three, and the naloxone will just push me into withdrawal and block the kratom, which I don’t want. People on the chronic pain Reddit can be helpful or harmful, depending on the comment. I buy 300 red maeng da capsules, which are supposed to last the entire month, but end up lasting about half that. Hoping a thousand will last the month. If not, no idea what I’ll do.

    1. Whendi S. Roberts

      Why cant you get opiates from your pain management Doctor? You did the right thing by not doing the injections. They are very..very. temporary and I was paralyzed from an I injection of chemicals during a procedure called lys iui s of Adhesions. I can walk now but suffer in massive pain from lower back and down both legs as all those nerves are severely damaged. The medic accident was the chemicals going into the wrong place inside my spine and glued all 24 of my nerve endings together causing an I jury called Progressive Adhesive Arachnoiditis. Its brutal. Anyway find another Pain Management Doctor who will listen to you. You can find someone to give you the prescription opiate medications you need. Never give up

  7. Aceboogy

    Hey peeps, I have been abusing fentynal for years now and quit. I’m currently drinking the red vein bali but this is only day 2 off fentynal but I have already taken atleast 14 grams in an 8 hour period. This seems a lot. Any feedback would be great.

    1. kendell clark

      I hope you manage this. Getting off opiates is hard enough, but when you’re on something that potent, it multiplies the difficulty. Comments from people like this guy boon just make me more determined to see this through. I doubt I’ll succeed, I’ll most likely end up taking kratom for the remainder of my life, but I’m ok with that. I’m not an emotional guy under most circumstances but I hope you make it. If kratom helps with your pain and the withdrawal symptoms from fentanyl, which make what I experienced with tramadol look like a walk in the park, then you’ve already won. Part of it anyway. My advice, which people on here don’t seem to like much, is to keep taking it as long as the withdrawals and the pain last. From all I’ve found online and what few DEA articles I can find on kratom, it can be addictive but pales in comparison to any of the opioids available on the market. So you could, and most likely will have problems coming off. But I am sure it can be done. I care nothing for being unique, nor do I want to whine on endlessly about my own problems as boon so eloquently puts it. All I want, is to help others get off this crap. And it is crap, at least when you stop feeling numb and start suffering. From then on all the opioids in the world don’t make things better, they make them worse, kratom included. But it is available over the counter, without a prescription, and most of the people who sell it at least know a little about what you’re buying. Stay strong, keep taking kratom. If it works. Try not to relapse. That’s hard, I’ve done so at least once, maybe twice. I’m in your corner, even though it feels like few others are. If getting off opioids does to me what it did to Boon, I believe I’ll stay on them. Nothing is worth being an asshole to people who want to get clean and stay that way. And I’m not against “the word god”. What I am against is going to places where it’s obvious people are suffering, and instead of actually helping these poor people, you get a church serman. If I were against god I’d likely be worse off than I am now. I’ll give boon what he wants, and shut the fuck up. But I will help. You and anyone else who wants it. Kratom is no miracle pill. It can, if your luck holds out and god decides to let it work on you, but it could also be as ineffective as tylenol alone is.

  8. Robert

    I have been abusing opiates since I was a teen, on and off methadone, but recently jumped off the clinic, after two weeks I still didn’t have any energy and was barely sleeping, I bought that red vein kratom and been drinking it for two weeks I feel great, I’m really amazed. But yea there wasn’t a dosage on the bag and I was desperate and drank half the mix and got extremely I’ll. Now I take a tablespoon on the way to work and it uplifts my spirits and everything. I just worry that I’m relying on it now, but hey, atleast I know I’m not gonna die from it. Anybody struggling with heroin pills ect. Please give this kratom a chance!!

  9. Amy

    Hello all. I just have a quick question here. I keep looking everywhere and cannot seem to find how often to take my Kratom. I am trying to come off opiates and it works great for 4 hours or so and then I’m back to square one and miserable. I obviously am hesitant to take too much. But is every four or five hours okay? I take the capsule form, red strain.

    1. Chris

      Take it as often as you need to feel 90% ok. After a week or so you will notice you need less to feel ok(not to feel fantastic, just ok). After two weeks your physical dependence on opiates will have left and you can wean yourself off Kratom at any pace you are comfortable with. Most people can do it easily in two additional weeks. The only problem you can have if you take too much Kratom is you will vomit once or twice and then sleep.

    2. Eve

      I take it for chronic (intense 😕) pain from Lyme. It also helps with fatigue (greens) & to sleep at night (reds). I take 1level tsp for my dose, & take as needed for the pain. On average, every 3 hrs.
      Sometimes longer.

    3. Tiffany

      I googled how much when I first started Kratom. It helps a lot with withdrawals from pills. They say beginners dose is 2-3grams and people on it longer take 6grams or more. You have to be careful bc it can make you sick. Start off slow and work your way up to a comfortable dose for you.

  10. Daniel

    I’m going on my 2nd day of complete hell from heroin withdrawal and my wife is getting me some Kratom as we speak. How much should I take brother? I’m trying hard to beat this shit but going crazy inside.

    1. Landon frost

      Bro you should take at least one tablespoon or a little more to get the effect for the withdrawals ik how doses have really helped people 1 tables spoon is like 6.5 grams

    2. TK

      Any updates on that? Hope you’re feeling better man. Kratom can completely erase withdrawal from H, and I recommend using agmatine with the kratom when tapering down and after stabilized with the kratom. You take 1000mg agmatine with about 1/2 of the dose of kratom you are stabile at, for several days to a week or longer, and can continue tapering down from there. The agmatine will lower your tolerance, but your body will become normalized to the new dose without withdrawal!

      Frankly, a person can keep a kratom addiction in check much easier than other opiates, especially if using agmatine when needing to lower tolerance. Hope you’re doing okay. What’s done is done. Let’s move forward.

    3. Chris

      Take one teaspoon of Kratom powder on an empty stomach. That’s about 2.5 grams. If no effect, take an additional 1/2 teaspoon every hour (about 1gram) until you feel nauseous or dizzy. If its capsules, do it every hour. When you throw up, you hit your limit.
      Kratom will not make everything beautiful. It will help A LOT. But your withdrawals will still be uncomfortable.

      1. CJ

        Dude i fucked up just now. I looked at the wrong conversion chart (crushed leaves) and it said a tsp was .9g. So i took like 2 and a half tsp. I looked down and saw that red bali (mine) was about 2.5g per tsp. So im at like over 6gs on my very first time. Literally drank it about 15 mins ago. But i was on dope/fetty a few weeks ago, this thursday will be 3 weeks. I got this bc i cant fucking sleep and im on my feet all day at work and i have no energy STILL and my knees wanna explode. Think ill be ok? I think i might still have some tolerance built up.

  11. Mandy

    I am currently using hydrocodone 30mg 3 times a day and want to kick it I have Kratom in my possession and want to take it instead if taking the pain meds I tried to stop a few months ago cold turkey and had really bad withdrawals just wondering if it would work to take the kratom instead if the pain meds and avoid having withdrawals

    1. J. James

      Hi Mandy,

      I was on 20mg oxycodone (stronger than hydro, so you should take this into consideration) 1 to 2 times daily, and tried to taper down or get off completely a few different times — and I have INCREDIBLY good persistence and resolve. It did not work for me, because of even the most minor of withdrawals coming with such intense RLS and inability to sleep, and a complete lack of desire to even continue functioning in the world.

      Kratom changed all this.

      I went cold turkey — in other words, without tapering off oxycodone — and began taking kratom. I began my first “day” in the evening after taking oxy very early in the morning. I started my usage using a RED VEIN, due to the alkaloid make-up being most comparable to oxy/hydro/heroin, and took no more than a single teaspoon. Yes, seriously. A single teaspoon.

      The BIGGEST mistake people make is over-dosing (not to be confused with overdosing as commonly used, which isn’t really possible with kratom, except that it’ll make you sick as a dog), and with kratom, it’s not always “more is more”; many times, it’s “less is more”, as nuances of dosage affect one’s body differently.

      I’d say along with RED, get a GREEN VEIN like Green Malay or Green Maeng Da, which has both focus AND mood elevation, though not quite as much sedation as a RED, and take the GREEN in the morning, and around noon if you decide to. Stick with the RED at night, and if you don’t want to continue using kratom on-going, then do not dose over a single teaspoon at any time, and do not continue using past about 1 week, MAX 2 weeks.

      Take my advice for what it’s worth.

  12. Mellio

    Hi all….

    I know this thread is old but I’m lost…

    I have been in pain management for 13 years, oxycodone 10mg 5x daily but the last two years I’ve been abusing them.. doing my whole script in a week and then buying them to keep up.. i recently went on Suboxone 8mg 2x daily and I want off… When I went to my vape ahope I snagged a bag of white Keaton.. I’ve tried the red vein and it knocked me out…

    My question(s) are
    Will white kratom help with withdrawal of I take it alone or should iix it with my red?..I am new at this and I need help. I want my life back, I want to be me again.. this is a horrid feeling.

    1. robert

      i have neuropathy in my feet lile a thousand needles sticking me it was horrible could not sleep..i tried the white hulu and white mangda..first time in 9 months i could sleep with no pain….everyone is different so try the white and green its usually good to switch up..
      hope this helps.

    2. Matthew Buckholz

      Definitely use red strain if your trying to kick opiods. Trust me, the whites make me incredibly jittery although everyone is different. But it is common knowledge that red vein kratom is most similar to opiods.

      1. Luminous

        Hi there!
        I’ve got a question to ask you. Or anyone with experience wisdom, & knowledgeable facts.
        I’ve been off opioids for over 5 years and I always hardcore I’m not having any urges that’s not my question at hand with the” Kraytom “I’m wanting to utilize “Krayom if it would be safe & health benefits would outweigh the negative side effects. I know nothing. I’ve never used it can you or someone else please give me some knowledge and wisdom and facts and truth about Kratom as to if I were to use it & now after 5 years of not using opioid s. pain management used only & sometimes for energy but more like drinking a cup of green tea /chai / or coffee? Thanks soul family

        1. Jason borne

          Kratom is a drug. If you take it regularly, then decide to stop, you will experience withrawls. I’ve experienced this multiple times with kratom and the withdrawals last for like a week. It works really good for pain; it has opioid-like effects, but taking it regularly causes physiological changes. If you have chronic pain, there is no perfect solution. You either decide that the benefits of managing the pain with kratom outweighs the cons of dependency, or you don’t take it at all. you can take 1 or 2 grams a day before a workout for energy without a problem, but it yields a diminishing effect over time, and if youre trying to avoid dependency you shouldnt increase the dose so its kind of a catch 22. Side note: a very small percentage of the population cannot take kratom at all because they cannot metabolize it, which will result in kidney and liver damage.

    3. Dustin

      Green Bali works great for all your symptoms. My gf was hot by drunk driver and had reconstructive surgery on her legs and the pain meds, oxy percocet and codeine did nothing for her. 1 teaspoon of green Bali she was doing everything she did before the accident, only she was in to leg braces on crutches with 48 staples and replaced tendons and ligaments

      1. Dustin

        Hit* and two* probably helps to proof read before posting.

        1. Fish

          Imagine coming to a kratom forum and correcting punctuation. Especially when he’s just telling a story to help others around here. Maybe you go fuck yourself? Or just take hella opiods and leave the rest of the people trying to get straight alone 🙂 one less of you would be great.

          1. Al

            Hey Asshole (Fish)—he wasn’t criticizing someone else, he was correcting himself! You didn’t bother to notice that both posts were made by the same person (Dustin)? So instead of jumping to conclusions and popping off with the attitude, maybe you’re the one who should go fuck himself.

          2. EyeReen

            He was correcting his own post settle down.

          3. Jennifer M Haskins

            Dude,
            He was correcting himself!
            😂

      2. Cathy

        Dustin,
        Sounds like your gf went through hell. I’m a long term chronic pain sufferer. Been on oxycodone regular IR tablets for 7 years this go around, I was taking Two 20mg oxy 4 x day for past 2-3 years and a few months ago I started taper. No help with it, just my Dr’s support and she’s been letting me go pretty slow.
        I’m currently taking 10mg every 6 hours and 20mg at bedtime. This dose isn’t helping my pain, it’s just preventing w/d.
        I tried Kratom 1st time 2 days ago, Red Maeng Da and started with 1g, worked up to 4g and got very little, if any pain relief. But it did prevent w/d.
        I’m pleasantly surprised at your comments about Green Bali and I’m about to order a sample pack.
        But I wonder… does Green Bali give mood boost effects and/or energy boost in addition to pain relief? Because I really need these effects as much as pain relief.
        Your girlfriend probably was getting depressed when she had all that pain and no relief. That’s where I am. Just exhausted and bummed out from constant pain.
        Sorry this is long, but sounds like you have some experience that could help me.
        Thanks. Glad I found this site!

    4. Queenbee

      I use only the red seems to work best for me. I take one teaspoon 3 times daily. And I have no withdrawal systems. But from everything I’ve read it all effects different people differently the best is to experiment and find what works for you

    5. Eve

      hi Mandy,
      I take kratom for Lyme disease, so dk about the withdrawal aspect, however,
      First, all k will relieve pain & uplift the mood.
      Greens are for daytime, give you non-edgy energy, good for focus. Yellow Vietnam I also like for day.

      Reds (&Gold Bali) I use at night. They will put me to sleep. Although experiment, all have a chill effect, but not all put me to sleep. Reds are supposed to have the most pain relieving constituents.
      White: I didn’t care for the white. Supposed to have the least pain-relief & the most energy, but it made me groggy.

      1. Eve

        oops. Melio

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