Strains And Effects

Countless people across the world are learning about kratom in 2020. With so many strains, its important to understand which strain is right for you. Unlike synthetic opioids, kratom’s chemical composition is complex, and the effects of this composition are dynamic.

Its main alkaloids are mitragynine, paynanthine, speciociliatine, and the more minor 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-HMG). Kratom’s neurochemical complexity is echoed in its physiological effects.

It is generally understood that at low doses (< 1 gram), kratom “can boost energy and enhance mood,” whereas at higher doses kratom is sedating, and may have anxiolytic qualities.

Red Kratom Strains are generally known for their dynamic pain relieving attributes.

White Kratom Strains are often have a characteristically euphoric nature. You may even find some qualities of your typical red strains with the addition of an energetic kick.

Green Kratom Strains are best known for their unique ability to combine some of the pain relieving properties found in red strains with the energetic boost of a white strain.

The following table serves as a comparative base for some of the most popular strains of kratom on the market.

Click on any strain below to find more information:

Bali An ideal balance of pain relief and energy boost. Bali works somewhat differently than a traditional red kratom. Bali helps achieve a gentle energy boost while maintaining the pain relief expected of a red. Euphoric and the most classic opiate like among the strains of kratom.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Maeng DaEnergizing and stimulating with pain killing effects. Maeng Da takes the normal pain relieving properties of a red strain and adds a nice energetic kick because of it’s specific alkaloid properties.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Red Vein ThaiSimilar to Bali with a more classic red strain effects.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Red Vein KaliSedating and more classically opiate like. Red Kali is a more traditional red kratom offering pain relief & relaxation.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Red IndoSimilar to Red Kali and many other traditional strains. Red Indo is a more tame red vein strain and is often touted as ideal for mild pain relief and relaxation.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Green IndoBalances pain relief and energy boosting qualities. The combination of alkaloids in Green Indo creates a longer lasting milder effect although there is not as high of a concentration of alkaloids as SGM.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Green Vein KaliA stimulating strain which also has painkilling attributes. Green Kali delivers a strong boost of energy without sacrificing any of the sought after pain relief effects. It is know for have a higher potency than Green Indo.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
White Vein KaliMore euphoric or dissociating. White Vein Kali is a milder white strain known for its energizing qualities – when compared to Red Vein Kali – while still containing notable pain relief qualities. .1/2 – 3 teaspoons
White Vein ThaiWhite Thai may be the most stimulating of all white strains. There are however less pain relieving attributes than a red vein strain or a strain similar to Bali as a trade off.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
White Vein Indo Similar to Red Indo which is best known for its pain relief attributes. However White Vein Indo differs from the calming Red Indo by bringing a euphoric dissociative kick with it. 1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Super IndoSimilar to Bali with less euphoria.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Super Green Malaysian Known for its unique ability to combine the characteristic pain relieving properties of a red strain with the energy and euphoria boost of a white strain. SGM also has some of the longest lasting effects of any kratom with smooth delivery due to the high concentration of alkaloids.1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Ultra Enhanced IndoMost euphoric of the extracts and works well for reducing social anxiety. UEI manages to contain a full range of effects including pain relief & relaxation with a slight energy and mood boost.1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
Gold Reserve ExtractPowerful extract made by applying highly concentrated kratom alkaloids back to natural kratom leaf. Gold Reserve is a highly potent extract providing a blend of stimulation and pain relief while providing full body relaxation with a notable energy boost.1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
ISOL-8 ExtractISOL-8 is an outlier and has caffeine like stimulation. ISOL-8 uniquely focuses in on the energy and stimulating effects of kratom while other extracts generally bring out a broader range of effects.1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
Natural Enhanced True ThaiMade from taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction of Thai Kratom and reapplied to a Green Vein Thai leaf. This extract is a high potency version of classic Thai kratom strains notable for a mild energy boost with significant pain relief & relaxation effects. 1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
Natural Enhanced White SumatraCreated by taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction from white vein kratom and mixing it with White vein leaf. This reformulation results in a more potent version of white vein kratom with significant pain relief and relaxation effects.1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)

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  1. What are the false accusations on red boreno kratom and what makes them false?

  2. I am taking Vivitrol/Naltrexone and was wondering if there are strains of Kratom that can be used at the same time?

    1. This is my first time taking this! How many capsules do I take? I’m confused with how many capsules is whatever grams! Please help!

      1. It depends on what size the capsules are. 00 size is about half a gram each. 000 size is about a gram each.

      2. Usually each capsule is a half gram. 2 equals a gram.

      3. Usually 1/2g per capsule

      4. Two capsules is 1 gram. Each capsule is 500 mg and a gram is 1,000 mg.

      5. I use capsules, on my box it says 1 to 2 capsules per day. Hope this is helping.

      6. Quit before it’s too late.

        1. Quit what…naysayer

        2. Why? You have to have a reason. I’d like to know why you say this. You can email me at gmail.
          Does anyone have real valid concerns? Or is this just a personal opinion?


      7. I normally took 12 but I have a high tolerance and it depends on the strain

      8. Don’t do capsules. Use powder and use a small magnet to mix through the pull out the heavey metals this plants tends to absord. Use about three grams of bai and you’ll feel less in pain. Actually yellow Borneo might be better for pain. I have so t enough tests

    2. Vivitrol is an opioid antagonist- u probably already know it fills the receptors in ur brain and does not allow any real opiates to fill them. Kratom is not an opiate, it’s opiate-like. Now I’m not scientist but eventhough it’s not a true opiate- I believe it works on the same receptors, so if they’re filled w vivitrol, it might be useless to take it. I know when I was using, whether it was the street drugs or the suboxone, I got zero effect from kratom. My advice is: don’t do it. What I’ve seen to countless others, including myself is: I bought some kratom either trying to switch addictions or detox comfortably, I felt next to nothing from the kratom, and since I was seeking relief and/or intense opiate like high and didn’t receive it- I went back out and returned to the devils drug. I’m understanding it’s your goal to be free from all those chains, so don’t seek those artificial feel goods out. Focus on fixing the reason why u feel u need to disassociate. If it’s the fact you’ve isolated in ur using from all the love and caring people in ur life- focus on mending those relationships and forming new positive ones. If you have an underlying source of depression- only u know why u feel that way and only u know what u gotta do to fix it. I recommend for some time taking some prescribed antidepressants. I don’t like the idea of modern pharmaceuticals but there I was not very long ago drawing up concoctions of god only knows what!

      1. I really enjoyed reading your comment. May I ask what kind of depression medicines worked best for you or someone else you know?

      2. I agree with you 110% if you have a high tolerance like yourself and I, why bother I even got my medical marijuana card and there shit doesn’t do anything. Why bother, Kratom and Medical Marijuana don’t do anything. Stick to your. Medications and Real Weed.

      3. I agree with you 110% if you have a high tolerance like yourself and I, why bother I even got my medical marijuana card and there shit doesn’t do anything. Why bother, Kratom and Medical Marijuana don’t do anything. Stick to your. Medications and Real Weed. Jon hopefully you get relief

        1. You’re obviously doing something wrong

      4. You sir have one muthafucking fiend on your back!

      5. Kratom got me off hard opiates. You just have to take enough.

    3. Naltrexone blocks mu opioid receptors, so no version of kratom will give you effects, itll just induce withdrawal symptoms.

    4. I take naltrexone the Pill. No side effects so far

    5. If you are taking that combination of medication then your u-opiod receptors are blocked – period. I don’t think Kratom is strong enough to break through… you may feel some stimulation but the opiod effect will not happen. Nothing will happen and certainly it will not bring on withdrawal… not sure why that was said???

      if you are using these meds for drug-assisted recovery purposes then perhaps you might want to reconsider any substance that hits those receptors in a euphoric way… Heal, give yourself some time, and then re-evaluate several months or years down the road…. good luck

  3. Hi everyone. So here’s my story. I have been an opiod addict for over 25 years. Been through many detoxes, rehabs, institutions, psych units etc. Also multiple methadone programs. In 2006 I joined recovery and to this date have 13 yrs clean. However, a few years back a dentist literally broke my jaw, and knocked out 3 teeth and repositioned another which through surgery was also removed. Dental pain is probably the most severe that I’ve ever experienced. That pain lasted 3 entire months. I was given percocet which I used extremely carefully utilizing family and sponsor to dose to me as needed. I stopped using those and another few yrs pass, and then I had 3 back surgeries within a 2 yr period. I have multiple illnesses, hypothyroidism which leaves me drained everyday no matter how many times they say my dose and blood work are fine. I have chronic pain now due to my back surgeries and need a full left hip replacement. I’ve been fighting to have this hip fixed for many yrs but concerns of my weight held off the surgery. Meanwhile I’m now using a Walker, or cane daily due to the pain. Forgot to mention during the back surgeries I was put on oxycontin and morphine. My insurance stopped paying for the oxycontin and they switched me to morphine sulfate extended release 90mg a day and oxycodone 10mg x 6 times a day. I’ve now been on these exact doses for multiple years. Of course my tolerance is insanely high and my medications are no longer working. I’ve been diligent in taking only as prescribed because of my past and am petrified of returning to my former life. I’ve considered going back on methadone just to help with this pain but am trying with all I have to not go back there. I’m finding because my tolerance is so high that I feel like I’m in withdrawal daily even taking my prescribed dose. I don’t overtake because I don’t want to run out too soon and then left with the only decision we know I’ll have and I refuse to live like that again. Every month it gets pain is barely touched by these meds anymore and the extreme fatique of the somewhat withdrawal, the eyes running, yawning, irritability…all the same as they were years ago. My drs refuse to increase my dosage and to be honest that’s probably best because I’ll just be in the same situation down the road with an ever higher tolerance. So I’ve heard of kratom over the years. Of course I was taught to never substitute one for the other so I’ve avoided it. CBD does absolutely nothing for me. So that’s not an option for me. I’ve started doing a ton of research on kratom and this thread has been most helpful for me. The stories are real…many so similiar to my own. I finally decided that before I go back down that road of hell and seeking to purchase additional medications off the street that I would give this a try. I placed an order this morning after reading every single comment here ( over 1200) . I’m desperate for relief. I want to be relieved of pain but also have the energy that opioids gave me so I can be productive and not feel so sluggish through the day. I ordered 2 items to try out. 1 red maeng capsules and 1 red kali, also capsules. I didn’t want to chance buying the powder at first and completely hating it and wasting my money.. if I find these give me the desired effects I’m looking for, I will most likely purchase the powder, capsules and machine to fill them. But I want to make sure of which product will work for me first. Sleep isn’t an option, I do have sleep medication prescribed due to apnea, pain, and restless leg syndrome…I was only able to sleep 2 hours at a time due to the hip pain so they prescribed klonopin for that. So I’m not looking for any kratom to assist with sleep issues. All I want is for extreme pain and increased energy. I hope I made the right choice of products. I thank you all for sharing your experiences, they really helped persuade me that this may be just what I’m looking for. Ideally, I would love to tell this drs to stick these prescription you know where lol. So now im asking for feedback….do you think I made the right decision. you think I ordered the best products for my issues? And lastly I read multiple comments that people are taking 8-10 capsules at a time a few times a day…equaling about 30 pills a day….is that correct? And how many should I start off with in the beginning? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Finally, I just recently lost 60 lbs so I will probably be able to get my hip replaced, I have my first appointment again for that issue in about another month. Sincerely from a recovering addict desperately hoping to never go back down that road again.

    1. Hi Terri, I’m writing on my phone so expect typos…
      I think you made a good choice with the maeng da kratom I’ve never taken the other one you chose. The best pain relief I get from kratom is a product I buy from Happy Hippo called hyper hippo, it is maeng da elite green and it is expensive but it works so well for my back, neck, and leg pain I’ll always buy it along with a new one to try out each time.
      Remember to drink lots of water while you take kratom. If you don’t you can expect a headache.
      There are several companies I’ve purchased from: and Coastline and Happy Hippo have provided the best products and prompt mailing. I wish you much success in pain relief. All my best from Nancy in Oregon.

      1. .be careful combining benzos with other substances that can depress respiratory system.

    2. After reading your story is absolutely love to hear how kratom works out for you. I am a recovery addict as well and I’m currently on Suboxone which is a monkey on my back I hate it and I’m looking for a way to get off of it because every time I’ve tried the withdrawal is just so intense and lasts for over a month I end up going back to it and I’m now looking at Kratom for an alternative. I’ve read so many stories as well and they seem so encouraging and you have so much more pain and what not then what I would be dealing with with withdrawal and I feel like if it works for you it’s got to be able to work for me and I’m curious how it is going to work out for you. If you don’t mind e-mailing me in a few months and telling me how your situation works out for you I would love to know and correspond with you. As well as I am hesitant on spending you know 40 bucks or more on something that may be like every other herbal supplement I’ve tried like CBD that did absolutely zero for me. Good luck to you! My name is Amanda by the way in my email Is [email protected]

      1. Hey Amanda! I’m in the SAME boat as your are. Will you please get in touch with me to let me know how your situation turned out?? Fb: Krista Michelle Anderson South Carolina

    3. Hello to all. I never heard of kratom, and when I found it, and read about it I was cautiously excited but need some serious guidance. I have a tri diagnosis of Post-Polio Syndrome/. Post Gullium Barre Syndrome and advanced Sogrens. I am now on liberal doses of oxycodone and Ritalin. I feel my fatigue is in some ways worse than my pain. I would love to wean off as many of those drugs as possible. I was heading towards the medical marijuana route when I came across Kratom. I would like help knowing which, or both of these plans derived offers to help so many of my problems would be best. Which strains are best for my pain, fatigue, anxiety, depression caused by so many years of no hope. I know I’m asking a lot. I have a lot to deal with. 17 years ago a doctor asked me what my goal was since I had 3 diagnosis with no known cures. My answer was “ to be the best mother and grandmother possible “. That is still my goal. I would so appreciate your help in finally reaching my goal.
      Thank you, C J

      1. I am adding to my request for help. I didn’t mention that I can’t swallow any pills. Whatever I take has to be in drinkable, or be able to take with yougurt it a similar texture. I want to order tonight but still am unsure of what or how to take the Kratom that will help most of my issues. Serious muscular, joint, spasms that lock up various parts of my body so that strong physical strength must me used to make my spasms release, then the after pain. Extream muscle fatigue when I use any group of muscles too long, I stopped being able to walk years ago. I need Kratom to replace the need for the 5-6 Ritalin or aderall I take now just to give me energy to function, a different strain to kill enough pain, and help me to sleep at night.
        A help for social, and general anxiety I have developed, and the depression that accompanys it all. I spend way too much time in bed. I need to start living again. Please all of you good people with so many problems that Kratom has helped. Won’t you please give me ideas of what to order, how much, and any advice for a woman not willing to give up
        Thank you. CJ

        1. I am going through the simaliar problems but I am not on any medication they won’t give me anything till they find out what is causing my musles spasm, and tingles in hands and feet my back locks up my right leg gives on me bad and I am loosing feeling in my right foot,tires all the time missing work alot and I cry cause the pain so bad. I just heard about Kratom this week I got the power I’m trying it to see if I can get any relief. I pray it does my email is cyndiraker if anyone wants to know anything

        2. Can anyone tell me how 12 capsules every six to eight of Green Malay capsules effect a drug screen? It is working great for energy and my pain is non existent with this but I still take 10 mg six times daily of Percocet if really needed working hard to come off but not quite there I have dwindle down to 45 a month with the help of Keaton truly been on pain meds since I was 7 got hit by a car at broke back yards yada yada my story is nothing compared to some of yours but I am scared if I cut my pain meds completely and I am not ready and kratom shows up they will take what this miracle has done for me and let me get the rest of the way there!I went to rehab 1 time 11 years ago never really gave my meds up but I am older and it’s taking my body down now I am very happy with the effects I getting just a little shy to say by by as we all know that is the addict in me but I just want to know will it show up and how long due I need to stop in case thank you in advance for any help I can never thank all of you enough for comments I been reading help me get me where I am to right dose for me!!

        3. I just took one heaping teaspoon of Trainwreck powder and I seem to be feeling very good. You can mix the powder with water, but it tastes horrible. You can add it to something Sweet like yogurt as well.

    4. Hello all, I would suggest trying sample packs from Krabot, Kratom Krazy, or Happy Hippo Herbals. I bought the 10 sample pack from Krabot, which is a great deal. I hate taking the powder as well, so here’s my tip… Go on Amazon and buy the pill capsule maker and a size 00 gelatin capsules. Then go to the dollar store and pick up several different containers and label them with your new samples. Also educate yourself on how to make Kratom tea. For the capsules, someone recommended pin pricking one or two holes in the capsules so they will start working quicker. Hang in there CJ… It’s worth it

      1. Myself and others find that capsules are less effective ( the more chemical hitting the bloodstream at once the better). Capsules have to dissolve. Whatever the logic, I can say as a year’s long kratom patient….this may sound strange to some….parachute it. I can swallow massive horse ( not really horse pills, LOTS OF LARGE PIKLS AT ONCE FROM YEARS OF various ailments.

        I put approx. 3.5 grams on one piece of single ply toilet paper ( I know, I know) and “parachute” it. The toilet paper dissolved with the on ( can’t say enough how much on helps, dunno why but even more than other citric acid beverages). I fold the corners of toilet paper Ju p and twist into reasonably small ball pop into my mouth towards back and gulp huge gulp of on, it goes straight down…( haven’t tasted that devil taste in years this way) if you require more than 3.5 grams like me, parachute however many balls required quickly. Powder in tummy all at once with no grlatin to absorb. I’ve tried capsules and parachuting and I’ll parachute a thousand times before wasting my time on capsule machine or extra money for premade capsules…( I have used capsule machine…so time consuming.). Best of luck, you have my empathy.

        1. What a great way to take the powder!! Thank you for this, I would have never thought of it.

          1. I have never heard of the toilet paper thing before. I get these things called Oblate Discs which are made in Japan and made out of potato starch and lecithin. They don’t have any taste and dissolve very fast.

        2. I wonder if this could work with rice paper too. Little concerned about eating paper. But that’s probably the least of my worries. Thanks for the post!

        3. What is the “on” that you are referring to?

      2. Easy way to take Kratom. Buy Arizona Green Tea. Pour some into a small cup – add your Kratom dose and let it sit for about 5 minutes then drink it. It dissolves completely and you can’t taste the kratom ( or at least I don’t taste anything but the Arizona Green Tea ) ** I’ve also taken it with Apple Cider Vinegar w/ Turmeric and Honey. Do the same – pour ACV w/ Turmeric in a small container, add your Kratom dose, let sit for 5 minutes and drink. This has an added benefit: The Tumeric is a potentiator will make Kratom work better.

    5. Hi, little late but did anyone actually have a conversation with you about use or dosage? Iv been using kratom for a few years and have alot of issue also. Iv also gone threw good and bad vendor or trying to get the most or best for my money. Lol iv been the test dummie so i just wanted to touch base with you cuz of all your concerns and questions. Hope all is well and if you still need some advice from someone who doesnt judge. Plus who has gone threw the kratom strain list an dosage trials lol. Have a blessed day.

    6. How are you doing!? Did you find that kratom helped!?

    7. I can tell you from being a patient of severe adhesive arachnoiditis ,cancer, auto immune disease and on them too heavy patches and pains killers for years … that one day I finally came to the conclusion that I’m dying more from the opioids then the diseases
      I am an herbologist and i went to Kratom . Red Bali, ultimate green premium. But I take 1 hr before magnesium and turmeric which are potentators for Kratom. I have been off my pain meds for months now and I have my mind back. Granted I take other stuff like tizanidine and nerve blockers but I can live my life better now and I have hope again. Please give the red Bali and the green strain a try. To see if it helps you.

    8. I have orthopedic and neurological issues and was taking a small dose of hydrocodone/Tylenol under doctor’s care for 6 years. When this opiate crisis evolved, doctors in this state discharged even legitimate patients like me from care. I successfully weaned myself off of my medication but of course returned to trying to deal with the pain.
      I researched kratom but only recently bought some to try. After some experimentation, I found a dosage that worked for me. I have made it a practice to not use it daily to avoid tolerance issues. Besides that, it’s pretty expensive.
      I believe that people with chronic, severe pain should be treated appropriately to maintain quality of life.

  4. I have tried several strains and I’m trying to find the perfect one. I have bad anxiety and a lot of shoulder and back pain and suffer from endometriosis. I am looking for something in pill form that would be good for energy and anxiety and pain relief but I do like the overall happy feeling. What would be best to try? Also a lot of the strains make me sweat really bad. Any suggestions?

    1. I would go with gold Bali.

    2. You made the only decision you had left and thank God it’s a good one, lucky for us. For u I would start off with 4-5 or 6 grams. Add a gram every 1/2 hour until your pain dissipates. Capsules hold either a 1/2 gram, 3/4 gram or 1 gram of kratom powder. You can weigh the powder within a few capsules to get a random sample, for future reference, the capsules I’ve weighed are a 10th g. Off. Red Malay, red and green borneo, red Maeng da are a few and must have for pain relief and comfort. Kratom taste like dirt, so a lot of people buy the powder and fill their own capsules, its more cost effective too. I use orange juice myself, then have a good quality vendor where u can get 100$$ kilos…OK

    3. I have severe arthritis in my knees from multiple surgeries, bulging discs and bone spurs that push on my spinal cord. I have also been diagnosed with fibromyalgia and have endometriosis. I also suffer from anxiety and ADD. I find the best pain relief and energy boost but yet calming from a Green/White combo. Red does not seem to give me relief. I do take quite a high dose; example 1tbs Green with 1tbs white and I mix it with 6 oz milk and several tbs chocolate syrup. I have also mixed gold with green and it’s a great combo too. It’s import to change up strains so that your body doesn’t become tolerant. Start with a variety pack. And journal the affects. Start with a smaller dose like 1 tsp and lay or sit down for 20-30 minutes following ingesting it so you can experience the results and determine what works best.

  5. Hi
    I want to order but not sure what to order except I know I want some red x. I’m looking for a good green for pain and energy. I want to get off these pain meds. I have secondary fibromyalgia, RA, Lymphedema and neuropathy. Among other things. The chronic fatigue causes so many problems mostly it keeps me down and being down caused other problems like severe back pain. I have had two bone fusions and have a plate and screws in my neck. They want to do another surgery plus a ruptured disk in my back with stenosis. Please help.

    1. Boy you have a lot of pain injury problems. I had similar problems with lowered spine. What works for me Patty is I mix half and half green endo and red Bali.I was on a lot of pain meds like you were which we know is no good the side effects from that to be even worse. But my mixture really does help me get through the day motivates me to do things I used to do I work out to my normal activities every day. I hope this might help you as it did for me Good luck Patty.

      1. Thank you, Joseph for your answer + to Patti for your question.

        I was diagnosed w/ severe spinal stenosis* (*the condition which led the Canadian Supreme Court to approve humane euthanasia available to a beloved dog but not even for a human suffering unnecessarily,) + severe degerative disc + joint diseases, sciatica + neuropathy plus chemical injury incl chronic to acute bronchitis, sinusitis, + asthma I my early 30s (~30+ yrs before someone might normally be diagnosed w/ mild spinal stenosis if the condition even occured,) then fibromyalgia, deadly myelomalacia, spondylosis, spondylolisthesis, adult onset scoliosis, periformist syndrome, permanent nerve damage from neck + back surgeries w/ the back fusions rupturing my discs 11/11/18 + only 3.5 yrs after Dr S’ back surgery.
        Dr S left me w/ L5 nerve damage, foot drop, add’ly painfully swollen legs to feet/ankles w/ worse than unmanaged chronic severe pain since the 15mm + 9mm 2nd disc ruptures after 1/2006 disc ruptures from being body slammed onto sheet ice.

        Thanks, Joseph, for the idea of combining 2 strains for better results: I’m wondering if you have info or advice about taking Kratom when using rxs for allergies (Rx Montelukast + Loratadine) chronic asthma (Rx Advair 500/50, Spiriva Respimat inhaler, Fluticasone Propinase nasal spray, + Levalbuterol Sulfate inhaler.) I’d very much appreciate feedback from experienced Kratom users about how they use Kratom, prescribed rxs, + mmj used as canna coconut oil in a tea also in an effort to get my frequently excruciating unmanaged pain under control so I can 1) exist + 2) ideally do so much better than just manage to continue to exist in agony.

        I have limited doses of Levothyroxine, a thyroid hormones replacement (no 30 or 90 day refills provided over 11months for 1 of multiple automimme conditions,) Hydrocodone10/325 every 4hrs for severe chronic pain (very limited pills remaining + sporadic to no pills provided for 20 day refills over the past 11 months) Diazepam 10mg x 3 for severe muscle spasms (limited pills left w/ sporadic to mostly no 30 day refills provided almost all over the past 11 months) Oxycontin 40mg 2 – 3xs for breakthrough pain (no pills available which didn’t expire multi years ago) + Valacycovir 1g to suppress the herpes zoster virus (no refills authorized for numerous missing 30 day supplies.)

        I’ve had chronic infections for 11mos preventing me from having reconstruction back surgery. The spinal surgeon of 7 yrs abandoned my care after his failed back surgery ruptured; Dr S, his colleague Dr Sch, + his NP/PA St haven’t phone calls for >6mos despite empty promised that “Dr S, Dr Sch, or St will call you back before the end of the business day” multi times per week for over 10 months.

        My Primary Care Physician of 23 yrs who’s on a probationary med license told me 12/3/18 to double my pain + severe muscle spasms rxs only to not provide them although they’re 20 + 30 day refill rxs. He did the same for my other rxs as well for 10mos (negligence.) He (Dr K) + 3 of Dr K”s staff mbrs became physicallly + verbally abusive notably since the discs ruptured. It seems they have a very dark, sadistic side which I experienced from 1 staff mbrs after I was assaulted + soaked w/ pesticides.

        After already a 10hr wait (being med transported 4hrs + checking into a motel both out of pocket to wait 6 hrs to be told “Dr K will see you in 5mins” only to abandon me 3hrs in the exam room. Then I’d be yelled at, “You’re wasting Dr. K’s time!” w/ the dr insulting my appearance on a medically + photographically documented false basis + “cause” of my now 10mos of multiple infections (Ecoli, Staph Type B, MRSA) which Dr K nastily falsely alleged, “Your infections are being caused by the (not present) layers of fat hanging off your legs!”

        Dr K left me unable to walk w/ even w/ the help of a walker w/ seat + never prescribed or provided an electric wheelchair, unable to sleep multi days + nights until I’m so exhausted I wake up in unmanaged excruciating pain, unable to get in/out, transfer on/off, to reach/grab, to perform basic functional + ADLs, + unable to med/physicallly keep any lab, x-rays, specialists appts, diagnostic appts w/ the PCP of 23 yrs having a staff mbrs send an email falsely claiming a non-existent new PCP is now responsible for my med care + prescribing all my meds including pain + non pain meds.

        This will be the 3rd time (2x w/ the PCP of 23 yrs) I’ve been negllgently + unlawfully been dumped off my pain meds. Even though I’m Exempt from the CDC Guidelines 90mgME, ER > Hospital > “Pain Mgmnt,” + PCP/GPs admit they’ve never read the CDC Guidelines, have no idea what they state + no idea which pts the CDC Guidelines do/don’t apply. I don’t ever want to rely on so many unreliable med personnel + entire organizations to gov’t entities.

        There continues to be rampant + unlawful Non-compliance w/ CDC Guidelines, Medical Licensing Boards’ criteria to have a med license + work as a licensed dr, + no enforcement of the “rights” + “laws” which aren’t protecting patients. Rather than attempt unsuccessfully to even continue to exist I such a broken “medical” “health?care?” system, I need to learn how to manage my pain as a result of the notable absence of available, competent, compliant, + prof’l primary care providers, “pain mgmnt specialists,” + inaccessible palliative care programs for which I’ve been eligible for over 22yrs yet never referred. “How did you fall into the Grand Cyn sized gab awaiting the newly + continuing/ worsening pts w/ multiply medically/physically disabling + existence threatening med conds?

        Thank you, experienced Kratom users. Advice based on personal experience re best Kratom types, dosages + when is welcomed + appreciated, too. Thank you all! Best regards,

    2. Let me tell you all something I quit 200mg oxycodone with this. The DA can say whatever they want I tried subutex was trading one addiction for the other I’m off everything and was on meds for over 12 years. You will feel some withdrawal but it’s a drop in the bucket compared to what you would endure cold turkey. I did Red Bali then incorporated some green malay then bali strains. My dose is exceptionally high sometimes from 13g to 15g every six hours but again that’s my tolerance I reduce as needed I’m still in the first week. You can do this guys

      1. well said, nothing like the withdraws from subs,oxy,perks,etc. it was harder for me to get off the subs then anything else. kratom saved my life

        1. David what kind did you use to get off subs

          1. I have been on subs for 3 years now it’s worst than
            The pills were to come off I’ve been trying to get off
            Of them I’m going to try mixing kratom anyone have suggestions for what one’s to mix

    3. Hi my name is Nancy I just bought the kratom green Malay I have very bad chronic pain and I need something to give me some energy. Is this the right one for me?

      1. Yes. It should be depending on supplier.

      2. The sweet spot for pain relief and euphoria is a mixture of 5 parts Bali and 1 part white vein borneo. If it’s okay to state the vendor’s name, Left Coast Kratom is where is purchased. It completely took away my pain for almost a full day. I took a little over teaspoon, which is almost 3 grams. I did this first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, toss and wash, followed by my morning coffee. I have used Percocet for years for pain relief and my tolerance is through the roof for it. I am sick of the pain management and the feeling of criminalization that accompanies each visit. I hope this continues to work for me.

        1. What’s toss & wash?

    4. What works great for me, for pain and energy is White Maeng Da. I’ve done a lot of research and I’ve sampled a lot too, it doesn’t disappoint.

      1. Have you tried the red bali? I just purchased white maeng da I have low energy and pain in back will this work Thanks

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