Strains And Effects

Many people new to kratom have questions about the effects of different strains. The following table serves as a comparative base for some of the most popular strains of kratom on the market.

Click on any strain below to find more information:

StrainEffectsDosage
BaliEuphoric and the most classic opiate like among the strains of kratom1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Maeng DaEnergizing and stimulating with pain killing effects1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Red Vein ThaiSimilar to Bali with fewer negative side effects1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Red Vein KaliSedating and more classically opiate like1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Red IndoSimilar to Red Kali and many other traditional strains1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Green IndoBalances pain relief and energy boosting qualities1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Green Vein KaliA stimulating strain which also has painkilling attributes1/2 – 3 teaspoons
White Vein KaliMore euphoric or dissociating1/2 – 3 teaspoons
White Vein ThaiMore euphoric or dissociating1/2 – 3 teaspoons
White Vein Indosimilar to red indo known for its pain relieving attributes  1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Super IndoSimilar to Bali with less euphoria1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Super Green MalaysianVaries between suppliers but is typically more stimulating with little euphoria1/2 – 3 teaspoons
Ultra Enhanced IndoMost euphoric of the extracts and works well for reducing social anxiety1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
Gold Reserve ExtractPowerful extract by applying highly concentrated kratom alkaloids back to natural kratom leaf1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
ISOL-8 ExtractISOL-8 is an outlier and has caffeine like stimulation1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)
Natural Enhanced True ThaiMade from taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction of Thai Kratom and reapplied to a Green Vein Thai leaf 0.25mL or more
Natural Enhanced White SumatraCreated by taking a 90% pure alkaloid extraction from white vein kratom and mixing it with White vein leaf1 gram or less (if mixed with powdered leaf)

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  1. Thanks, everyone, for the replies. Tried my first test dose today just to make sure I can tolerate it, so far so good. (Bad allergies/intolerances, so having no reaction is great!) Will try to come back and update for those going through a similar journey. So sorry to hear about other AVN/ON sufferers. I’ve had my bowel perforated, lots of bowel obstructions, too many major surgeries, and other very painful stuff, but there’s no pain like bone pain. So happy to hear it’s helped you, Vernon. Gives me hope. Thanks for your kind words, Christtienna.

  2. I miss just learning about kratom but what I ve read has been nothing but good. It amazes why the features hasn’t legalized it. Unless they’re not getting their piece of their. But they legalize pothe and alcohol go figure. Which by the way kill more people..opioid and alcohol have never worked for me except landing me in jail and ruinìng my life. So i decided to try kratom. I’m à firest time user.I’ve heard a lot ofor good things about it so decided to give it a try. I hope I’m not disappointed? If I’m satisfied I will order more. Thank you

    1. Well alcohol kills. Pot does not. Kratom is also safe but has opioid properties so it is essentially a safer opiate. Don’t fool yourself as if it is not addicting or doesn’t work on similar receptors and mechanics in the brain. It should be legalized, especially when the prescribed opiates kill and destroy lives. But I gotta give you the legit info. Peace amigo.

  3. I’ve had osteonecrosis in more than 12 joints for 25 years. Am on fentanyl patches because I have no colon and don’t absorb long-acting meds. Want to get off opiates and on to kratom. Read red strains best for pain, but which ones do people recommend trying? Also, regarding opiate withdrawal, I heard one shouldn’t take kratom and opiates at the same time, but since I use patches, I can’t do that…they are always being absorbed through the skin. Anyone have experience with this or advice?

    1. I’ve used Kratom to detox from opiates and it is safe to do them at the same time. I was told to start with small doses of Kratom while on the patches then increase the dose as you decrease the patches. I decreased by cutting pieces off and gradually cutting more until you are done. I mostly used the red strain because I didn’t know the difference but the white and green are great as well. The green gives me the energy that a small dose of opiates do but the red is more like what opiates feel like with a large dose. Hope this helps. Good luck!!

    2. I too have AVN in 6 joints with collapse. I had a FailedTRK replacement foyr years ago. I have not been able to get a moment of relief since the first fracture. I have no options to control it and am no longer able to walk. I’m 39 and live on my sofa. I would like to know, did you have success??? I am not able to find much online about pain control for avascular necrosis. It’s the most painful thing I’ve ever experienced and will ever experience. I do feel for you, my friend.

      1. I am coming off a high dose of zubsolv and I have the red and green Kratom and I’m struggling does anyone have any suggestions

        1. Sandra, I’m pretty sure zubsolv should not be used with other opiates. I’m only guessing here, but I don’t know if the kratom will work fully when on zubsolv. It does use some, but not all, of the same receptors, so you may have to do some research on this. You might try avena sativa to see if that helps with withdrawal symptoms until your dosage is lower and the kratom can better pick up the slack.

      2. I have had AVN for 50 years and been going to a pain clinic,for 26 years. I just started taking kratom and am extremely pleased. I take the red and the green each are good for pain. I take the capsules but when I hurt really bad and want quicker relief I use the powder. I take a teaspoon of kratom to about 6 ounces of water and add orange juice or orange water flavoring and then shake it and shake it. Really been a blessing to me since the recent laws have made pain doctors lower the amount of opioid they can give.

      3. I developed AVN by the age of 18 after taking steroid shots while in hospital at age 16 for 6 weeks with a heart infection.
        Have had both hips replaced. One has been in for 32 years and the other for 17 years. Severe arthritis in total spine. AVN in both knees. And now in shoulders.
        I am now 66. Been going to the same pain clinic for 25 years and have had 2 internal pain pumps in,past. Was on 4. 80 mg oxytocin and 4. 10mg oxycodone a day but recent laws have changed and now on 2 30 mg oxytocin. and 2 10 mg oxycodone
        I stay in constant pain. I have within the past month began using kratom. I still use the pain meds but take kratom between doses for some relief. Having trouble finding the best for pain.

    3. I have had 2 spinal fusions and have endometriosis. I have tried a few types of Kratom but for me personally the White Maeng Da works best so far. I hope this helps

      1. I got off of opiates three years ago after being prescribed them for most of my life (40 years). I got my first prescription for opiates (demerol) when I was twelve. I am now 52 and I eat marijuana edibles, smoke sometimes, use CBD oil and Kratom. I haven’t had an opiate in almost three years. The red vein Bali has been the most effective at treating my pain and the CBD/THC is great for relaxing my muscles. I was first prescribed opiates for severe migraine headaches (I now treat them with psilocybin). I have severe pain in my neck and back from other causes which I was in pain management for almost 20 years. I almost died from an accidental overdose of oxycodone four
        years ago (my heart stopped five times on the way to the hospital). That’s when I decided I had to find an alternative way to treat my pain. I also have MS and the CBD oil greatly helps with tremors. Marijuana and Kratom, in my opinion, have literally saved my life. I am in less pain now than I ever was on oxycodone, morphine, fetanyl, methadone, opana and Valium. God makes better pain relievers than big pharma.

  4. I dont get why some people want to tell others we dont know pain ? We all have a different story different pain tolerance ect the point is this stuff is a good option for several things . and it sucks my state wont let me get it . i use it when i go out of state and its nice to have a break from my pain meds for my livers sake . i am a disabled zookeeper thanks to every animal YOU can think of woopin this mini steve irwins ass lol but i hope they change laws in our favor .

    1. I hope your state changes the law it’s the best thing for us who suffer pain, depression, anxiety, PTSD, and many more I suffer all that plus being a diabetic for 34 years and counting I much prefer kratom to pills. Much better for the whole body mind and soul. Best wishes to you and I’m on your side for your state to allow kratom

      1. I suffer from PTSD, panic attacks, severe arthritis, and depression. What type do you use? I do not want to have hallucinations but want to feel good, happy, energized, and painfree

        1. Red maeng da mixed with white indo. Ill never take a pharmaceutical again becuz of what kratom has done for me n saved my life

        2. Try a premium Bali or red vein…you won’t hallucinate. You will feel that euphoria you get with opiates. It also majorly nips my anxiety in the butt.

        3. I would recommend Maeng Da, I’m a vet and have a lot of similar problems, helps me have energy at lower doses and I’m happy at higher doses, euphoric like. Bali is also good for euphoria.

  5. Yannis, Someone like you has evidently not dealt with chronic pain all of your life or you would not speak so ignorantly about those who deal with pain everyday. I have had horrible back pain since I was 15 years old and taking ibuprofen is like taking candy. I does absolutely nothing for the pain. Please try to be respectful to those who may be close to suicide and are dealing with depression because of the stigma of pain medications and not being able to cope with the daily pain. If you have never experienced this kind of pain it is easy to speak ignorantly. You are an idiot!!

    1. You said right April…ppl are quick to assume shit before they know the situation it pisses me off to no end. I have Rheumatoid arthritis and depression on top of that…I was addicted to pain killers for a long time until I decided I didn’t want to live from pill to pill anymore so I dug on the internet for something more natural and I found Kratom, thank god for it and it helps me through the day without all the bad side effects of opiates!

      1. Which one do you take that helps you with not taking pain pills

        1. Bali is probably your best bet.

      2. Exactly lady! I quit drinking and smoking and was still taking 10 Norco a day and then one day I decided that if I was quitting all of these things to be here for my kids longer how does that help if I am here but I am a loony tunes from the opiates

  6. I am a paraplegic due to gunshot wound. I deal with chronic pain from it along with chronic nerve pain. I got addicted 2 all the narcotics and benzos pain management put me on. Found out about kratom and cbd and its been helping me out so much. Im still testing diff strains and kinds to see which 1 would work best for pain anxiety and depression. Anyone have any input to try to help me out id really appreciate it.

    1. Green malay

    2. I have a very high tolerance for narcotic pain medications. I suffer from severe chronic back pain. I used to take 4 x 30mg Oxycodone + 4 x 60mg Morphine + 4 x 2mg Xanax for many years. After using Kratom & testing most all of the strains for over 1 year, my personal favorite strain is Red Bali. Keep in mind though, that each strain affects everyone differently. Bottom line, for the most opiate like relief, best to stick with most Red strains & few whites. Hope this helps. God bless all of us suffering from pain, anxiety & depression.

    3. I think they all may help with the withdrawal that comes with that

    4. From what I have read it
      Looks like green Indo and and green vein Kali have the most energy and pain relief and the white enhanced Indo helps with social and which holds hands with depression but that is just me

  7. I am a nurse and never in my life abused opiates, but had to take them for chronic back pain resulting from an injury in the hospital. Now no doctor will help me with my pain. I donated a kidney to my father and was put on tramadol bc I was advised not to take NSAIDs with one kidney. My doctor now refuses to prescribe that. I am livid! Our government has no right to do this to a human being. Our whole medical world has become a joke! I’m not even proud to be a nurse anymore. Kratom has been a lifesaver…..until the big wigs get their filthy paws into this and make it illegal in all states. Buy in bulk bc onr day they will take this away to!!

    1. Jen. Sane here. What strain do you use for most pain relief. And one for sleep too?

    2. I’m in the exact same boat as you. Nurse, back pain, knee pain. I just discovered Kratom a few weeks ago. When I take this my pain is very tolerable. I can get through the day without my brain clouding because of the pain, tears start to roll by the end of the day. Everything you say is true about the medial field. I have even contemplated finding a new career. If this gets taken away. I’m done with the medical field for sure.

      1. I broke my tailbone when I was 14 and my back is loaded with rheumatoid arthritis I also hated being dependant on opiates kratom is a life saver and as well as for anxiety my wife walked out on my daughter and I and kratom really helped with anxiety and depression.

      2. I’m a nurse. Head on collision, fused vertebrae. I knew opiates weren’t a long term answer but I also knew that the government would prevent pain relief through western medical care. And my insurance sent my records of medicine to two of my doctors. I take red bali and white maeng da kratom daily. Right now I’m taking a break for tolerance and I’m in pain and exhausted. V

    3. Thanks Jen I admire your passion..The only reason why the Govt is doing testing is because once they isolate all the necessary Alkaloids, they will illegalize Kratom and put it into Pill form. They want us to believe their current testing is for our safety! This is so feebly transparent ..Giant Dicks is what they are to me.

    4. How many mow fuckiz with “Jen” being a part of their names. Sketchy nikkiz. Yalll huuurd meh??? Shii cuhh..

      Jk, I am also a registered nurse of WHMC. I had to take vicodins. I needed them for spine nerve pinch. Then I got too addicted.

      Went to go on kratom. Cheaper, more effective. Also, it’s a plant.
      I don’t understand the point in why people would want to ban kratom, considering it may have some cannabis like prohibition protest. I do not want medical Kratom dispensaries.
      Medical Kratom? I can see it now. They need more tax.

    5. Ultra is horrible to stop taking. I wish I had this when I stopped taking my tramadol. Would have helped, I’m sure.

    6. That’s why the dr’s don’t want us to have it. They don’t make any $$$$ off of it!

  8. I have been taking Kratom for 2 years,
    I still take my prozac because I strongly believe that is is working, my thyroid meds and multi vita Gummies. I can honestly say I am so happy that I’m not being tied down to making sure I get all the meds I need. I order from a wonderful vendor that sends me a test slip of what and how much is in my batch. It’s so transparent. I’m not bound to it everyday. I take it as needed. It helps so much with the social anxiety and panic attacks. No word feelings can still drive and operate all my equipment. Over all my quality of life is through the roof
    Favorite Strains Green Bali, Super green indo and most all white strains.

    1. Can you post good trustworthy sites to order from please

      1. You need to look at vendor reviews on reddit. I wouldn’t trust anyplace someone told you on a message board, you need a reputable vendor and you’re not going to find one here. There’s also some great groups on facebook. I like Ladies of Kratom Support Group on facebook.

        1. They have banned references to vendors on Reddit which is why I’m googling this exact same question. There are some older posts but I would like actual current user reviews of vendors myself.

        2. I would also love an answer on this because as said, Reddit has banned vendor lists.

        3. Hi Joan I hope you come back here and see my post. I am looking for the support group on facebook. I typed it in my search but found nothing.

    2. I’m new to taking Kratom. I would love any advice on dosage And difference in kinds and what they do.
      Thanks

      1. I’m in the same boat..

    3. Carly,
      Can I have the name of your vendor. I am always looking for different vendors that people have used and trust.

  9. I don’t really have an extensive story. It’s was simply a matter of desperation. I magically tore my rotator cuff in my left shoulder while in the hospital with my wife shortly after my son was born. The pain was unbearable and excruciating, especially holding my son. I wasn’t having this, and it was a pain that, at its worst, neither ibuprofen or acetaminophen would touch (or even a 15mg roxycodone, to my surprise). I had known about Kratom as my brother was an enthusiast, but never really found the allure myself. Finally, I broke down and grabbed some, and the difference was immediate. It’s not by any means a cure all, At least not for inflammation in my experience, but I would advise this over many pain meds that will get you hooked.

    1. I had my right shoulder operated on in May of 2017, they fixed 2 torn tendons and scraped out arthritis and for 3 months after, I thought it was the worst mistake I ever made in my entire life. I’ve known all kinds of pain, but wow…is all I can say cuz that took the Gold medal! They wouldn’t prescribe me anything but oxycodone 5s (with acetaminophen) for after surgery and I know you’re not supposed to take more than prescribed, but 4 of those wouldn’t touch the pain. (I think it was due to the fact that I don’t have insurance or something like that, b/c everyone else I know that had that surgery had either oxycodone 10s or dilaudid 2s and theye all had insurance. Idk, tho). But I would always have to take that many or more, just tried to only take it like that twice a day in steady of 1-2 every 4 hours…still ran out 3 days early every week! It was the absolute worst pain I’ve ever felt in all my 42 years. I was just told about Kratom (well, I had heard the name but never knew what it was) yesterday when I was talking about my migraines, and this migraine I have now is 3 times worse than the one I had through the entire Christmas holiday. So, I gave my dad my last 20 dollars for the next 2 weeks and asked him to go get me a small jar of the Bali powdered cuz that’s what my friend told me to get…I called the place first and the guy said he had it for 15.99. My dad just called and said it was 40 bucks (or some dumb shit) I said go back in and tell him (with me on phone) that I talked to him not 2 hours ago and he had what I was looking for. Welp, it’s a small jar but the only strain in the small was the red, which I was planning on trying in the future, so I said just get that and tell him I said he’s a lil lying fuck! I can’t deal with a lot when I have migraines…I will still have to wait for it for about 2 hours, but if this works like my friend says it does…I only wish I was told about it when I had that surgery!! I got a cortisone shot in my left shoulder about a month ago, but no talk of surgery with that one, as of yet. I’m not looking forward to it, if I do. : (

      1. Did it work?

    2. What strain did you take for your pain?

    3. https://www.doublemherbals.com/index.php This site has vendor reviews. I’m pretty sure this is a lot of us old users of the reddit site. I’m back into kratom after a bit of a break. I had to go full on opiod and was driven back over a THC positive pee tes. 🙁 I need 3 cleans before I can have my script back

  10. I was a chronic pain patient. I had three very specific back surgeries that I won’t go into, but less then 3% of spinal patents nationally, have even come close to my surgeries,& 10% of that 3% die or are paraplegics. Those percentages were given to me by my surgeon. When someone tells me they have harrington bars, fusions, cages, plates- my reply is “Is that it?” Cuz I got that beat. I am over 40, well educated, and non an idiot when it comes to how our government system works. I have Medically been on everything, from fentanyl patches, suckers, liquid stadol, basically any sched 1 opiate that can be administered orally, intravenously, or transdermally-& I don’t even feel a high. There are not enough drugs to even make me feel close to functional,& I can move.. I gave up, bcuz the alternative to my dosages, is death. What this government, over the last 15 years, is doing to people like me is appalling. It’s a death sentence. I know patients who have taken their own lives, because they can get no real relief. Yet let a natural substance come along,& the DEA & FDA ,& every controlling government official will demonize it, in the name of Capitalism, the Dollar Almighty, to protect the drug companies. Tie physicians’ hands, treat patients like numbers,& allow even a Pharmacy Tech, who has years less education than I do, to have an opinion on my medical needs. Nice to know, yet again, that the opinions of those who have no experience with chronic pain, are the ones whose opinions matter.

    1. God bless you & I couldn’t possibility agree more. I’m not going to “ditto” your comments, as it would only be redundant. Capitalism is destroying the entire planet, including us. I’m praying for our Kratom community. Kratom saved my life. If you can call the pain I endured 24/7 a life at all, Kratom has given me a life. Thank you for sharing your experience with us!

      1. That has nothing to do with capitalism, it has to do with government control, and socialism is total government control so what do you think they would do then, tired of prime blaming capitalism when cheeky they don’t unfettered capitalism, capitalism had pulled more people out of the gutter, out of poverty and saved More lives then any other system in history, don’t hate the capitalism, hate the politicians as the government over control that destroys capitalism, of those are a truly capitalist then the government would have no power to take away your medicine, as the company’s that manufacture them would be competing with each other to get you the best safest product for the best price! The system you see complaining about is corporate socialism! It’s a where government is picking winners and losers keeping competition away from their friends by regulations that keep their products away! That is anti capitalism! You should be fighting for free market capitalism, not more of this socialist crap that’s causing the problem in the first place!

        1. Amen! These people have NO idea what kind of hell they’re voting to bring.

        2. 😂

      2. Diane,

        Its capitalism that brings you these drugs and cures. Try and get some if you live in Cuba.

        1. Cuba’s #1 export is it’s Doctors (and medicine) numb nuts.

          1. Then why did Fidel Castro go to Venezuela when he was sick to get treatment. Doctors are their #1 export because the barely export anything. And you saying their medicine is just ignorant and uneducated. We haven’t had free market capitalism in America in a very long time. It is called corporate socialism.

    2. I have been on pain medication for 15 years. No overdose, no shopping around for dr, no buying meds illegally. I am compliant and always have been. My primary dr had to send me to pain management, they completely cut my meds way way down and told me that only cancer patients suffer from chronic pain. I used some kratom to help me during that time but when my primary saw records of what theu were doing to me and I told her what they said, she took me back. I am very lucky but people like us get a bad rap for the abuse that other people do. It is not fair and my heart goes out to those who are truly suffering

      1. Yes chronic pain there is only in cancer patients and end-of-life treatment to get this kind of medications that all of you in the USA take the rest of the world’s lives without these medications and is just fine. I feel like 80% of the chronic pain patients are just for the dope ,they can be treated with lighter medications.

        1. BULLSHIT! Do you know anything about genetics? NO My husband. Genetic resisitant to opioid and nsaid. After 14 years, disabled just took his only drug that worke and he is bedriden 2 weeks now.

          1. You sound like a moron.

        2. You are a complete idiot.

        3. I’m a diabetic of 34 years and counting. I live in chronic pain every day a lot of people like me do fibromyalgia neuropathy anxiety depression PTSD degenerative joint disease plus many other things that I have wrong with me kratom is the best thing that could come around I would rather have kratom to get out of pain rather than appealing my body just can’t handle much more might kidneys can’t take much more my liver won’t filter much more pills the kratom is a lot easier on my body I hope you see one day that not all of us who’s they were in chronic pain are dope addicts a lot of us are suffering in silence because it’s an unseen disease just like being a diabetic you wouldn’t know I was a diabetic unless I told you it’s not like my disease is worn on the outside for all to see it’s really not fair when people judge those who are truly and back chronic pain I was always scared to go to the doctors and say anything due to the fact that I didn’t want them thinking of me as a dope addict I just want to be out of pain and many times I’ve ended up in the hospital in ICU because of the pain I get intoyou’ll have me and I see you up to a week or two sometimes because my body’s just crippling down and pain not fair for somebody to get in such pain I’m only 38 years old I have so much more living I want to do and kratom is the one thing that has helped me

          1. No one is talking about how much to take. I have diabetes. I have severe osteoarthritis with pain in my hips and knees. I need a hip and knee replacements. I was also diagnosed with breast cancer. In remission. I take KOI CBD oil drops and TY4 with codeine. The store that I get my CBD oil suggested Bali Red. It was suggested that I only take 4 capsules if more I could get sick and vomiting. I’m told that it helps with sleep. My doctors will not prescribe Valium which helped me tremendously. Suggestions please. I brought a bottle with 70 capsules. No direction on how to take. I’m skittle scared but I need my sleep.

      2. I signed up for a pain management group taking a med called suboxen and all of a sudden I had a label in my chart “ opiate dependent” so when I went in for a hysterectomy with a 14 cm custom top of my uterus, I came out of surgery I twice the time allotted for a normal hysterectomy, I couldn’t breath it felt like I had been kicked I. The ribs by a horse. The gave me tordal(sp?) an anti inflammatory med. The nurses in my wing saw opiate dependent in my chart and never gave the morphine that was ordered by the surgeon. The next morning when a nurse felt sorry for me and gave me what was actually ordered to control my pain, she was sent home for the day within thirty minutes. I don’t know about you but I have never known a labor and delivery dept( where I was recovering) sending a nurse home due to lack of patients. Give them another task while they await the births that will inevitably happen but, send them home, NO! The head nurse had seen my chart and said no pain killers for her and that one nice nurse either didn’t see it or ignored it when she saw I could not breathe. And she suffered for her either kindness or ignorance, Now I am supposed to have a neck fusion and am deathly afraid I will end up in The same boat. Labels you’d think we would have gotten past that shit in elementary school but, sadly, no we have not!

    3. Wow I completely agree!! The epidemic of codine and other drugs has completely gone out of control! People love the highs and abused the important meds that other TRUELY NEED! I had surgery 10yrs ago and was on hydrocodine for 7yrs,My doctors wouldn’t help me wean off,so I spent a fortune on buying them myself! I switched to 8mg Suboxone,which I also pay for… It makes me angry and feel Very distressed, just plain Hopelessness! I been to many Doctors over the past 9 yrs for my Severe Pain Attacks,Anxiety Disorder,PTDS and Severe Chronic Fatigue, and I havnt yet been able to get the help I seek(I beg and cry to my doctors/ counselors and explain in fullness my daily battles and suffering! I see and know So Many people who are prescribed pain killers, Adderall, and benzodiazepines that either Sell their scripts or are not in need of them in the 1st place! I feel like my daily battles of just trying to function makes my quality of life Sh#t ,there is None! It’s NOT FAIR to the people(like myself!) who need these meds are only given to the ones that don’t! And them that have abused the medical system have ruined it for millions suffering like me:( It’s so embarrassing to me when i leave the house, bcuz I have tremendous tremors, and most times I can’t leave the house! I have developed a phobia of many things and mental disorders from not being treated for my original problems 11 yrs ago! I’m not the bright happy energetic person I once was. Doctors have changed so much over the past 10-15yrs.The government as well! It’s extremely hard to find a professional that will actually listen to u,help u,care about u,n bedside manners no longer exist! I researched many strains of Kratom, and I’m praying that this works for me! I have 5 different strains of kratom now,3 uppers n 2 for anxiety! Wish me luck🙏🏻I want to hav control over my mind and body again, and if anyone out there suffering and battle daily medical issues I pray you will share your story,sometimes I feel completely alone with these battles!!

      1. Has the Kratom helped you ?

      2. Have you ever tried antiparasitic herbs? The truth is slowly gettin out there….we have a problem with parasites that mimic all kinds of signs and symptoms. Do you homework with a different eye and you will be amazed.

        1. You=your

      3. Hi Linda,
        You are not alone, ever , there are probably million of us all doing what I call silently suffering. Its time to find our voices, I have been a chronic pain patient since age16, I just turned 60. I have taken every kind of pain med you can think of. Our country is going to gell in a ham basket. Most uneducated ignorant idiots who think chronic pain patients just want the high are the reason those of us with chronic pain suffer. I dont get high, I just want to function, but guess what I dont get to because the idiots who are suppose to take care of us would rather cater to drugs addicts than remember pain used to be the 5 vital sign. They must think that chronic pain just disappears because middle class kids found opiates abused them , got caught so now its an epicademic. No drug addictions a problem, just so happens chronic pain patients take same medicine. We are not addicts, some days we cant breathe because pain and anxiety criople us. We cant eat because we cant fet to the food, we cant celebrate fun things because we cant move without tears, forget a love life , cant perform, we get told suck it up, I would love to see these ignorant A holes live in my body 5 mins. They would squeal like a cry baby and run back to there body’s. Please if you love Kratom as much as me and it works for you, please right your congress men and women, the stories on here alone speak the truth about pain, the FDA idiot trying to ban it is in big Pharmas pocket telling lies, if we make our congress folks aware of the truth we cant be denied. We are only as strong as our weakest link… I have decided this is worth fighting for. If they win and take it from us its because we didn’t speak loud enough. My pain is Real, my Depression is Real, My PTSD Is Real. No You Don’t Get To Discount Me. I Am Real , Human, and Not Tryin To Get High, Im trying To Live.

    4. There are no Schedule I opioids except heroin. Schedule I is for drugs with no medicinal value (LSD, Mescaline, Heroin, etc.) All the prescription opioids are Schedule II which are drugs that have medical value but are most prone to abuse.
      Other then that, I agree with everything you said. I’m here (on this site) for the same reason. 15 years of pain management 12 years without any increase, never failed a piss test, never refilled early, no red flags, just a model patient. Still they just kicked me out for no reason knowing I wouldn’t be able to get tx anywhere else. They should have program where they induce pain in a candidate for a week before they allow them to become a pain doctor so they understand what chronic pain feels like before they have that kind of control over other people’s lives.

  11. I like the replies esp. the one to the Pharm Tech that knows everything! Was on almost all the major “Pain Killers” for 15+ years like given out like Tic-Tacks. A new D.O. had her hands on her face & in the air rolling her eyes when I said what I was given for my CHRONIC CONDITION there is supposedly no cure for. I was dosed for stage 4 cancer patients with Dilaudid & MSIR as well as other nasty chemicals that cost me my business & home of 40 years all paid for. There was a cure for it but the Old Time Doc who wrote books on it & ran 2 clinics at 1 time & treated people to get them well & not make $$$$$$$ at $40 a pop be it 1 hour on machines & seeing him or 4 hours on 6 machines & seeing him became aged & unwell & died & the lace 3 hrs away. New doc is $2900 for phone consults & seeing him a few times…RIP-OFF.
    CHRONIC PAIN IS JUST THAT. IT DOES NOT GO AWAY & WITH THE NEW LAWS MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE FROM NOT BEING ABLE TO STAND THE PAIN! The majority of Opioid “victims” are ones looking for a HIGH & not Relief. I wonder how many of the dead ones have shot the drug as opposed to swallowing as ordered or not all at 1 time? If I shot a days worth or maybe 2 of MSIR & Dilaudid even after building that tolerance as we pain patients do I would probably have been very sick if not dead. But taken as ordered I survived until I was a “liability” 10 years back & thrown off. Unfortunately when you have a 1/4 to 1/2 $million investment in education as a doctor & the ability to really rake it in you follow guidelines. My 1 time “pain med/management” doc did an ok on a former dose that if followed will allow me to function at 1/2 a normal hurting person & 1/4 normal person as opposed to 20% or bed ridden or where is the highest bridge as I don’t like feeling like I’m being electrocuted or other nasty pains. Subs (very addictive I’m told) & the other drugs they use esp. antidepressants are really bad.

    I haven’t tried Krantom but have high (no pun intended) hopes & it appears affordable. CBD does seem to help the little we tried, but prices for potent enough doses are beyond most people & unless tested is it real? Just got skunked on eBay on a bottle, NO RETURNS! NO CBD, just Hemp Oil & BS. If 5 grams a day of Krantom will help take more pain away & possibly move me off the not so mighty “O” great! No MD hassles. Weed is fine for some but I hate it as I like being in control & want to relieve pain, not get high.

    I think every doc should have to take some of the meds they shove down our throats & that we, as an intelligent & educated being that know our bodies should have the opportunity to take a test if necessary for proof & sign a paper saying “we understand the risks involved & do not hold the doctor/whoever else liable” so that we can have some relief & quality of life. Not everyone can collect. Not everyone can collect enough & have to work if they can & the ones that complain about disability at $1500+ a month (no income tax, pure profit) & have a part time job & a spouse that works & has health insurance provided & it “isn’t enough”, well they can shove it as we & many others live on far less! I had friends at $2500 a month disability & they could not afford car insurance! Maybe $30K isn’t much these days but not bad & more than $10/hr he made & her $880/mo. Point is there has to be an affordable way to help control/manage the pain. I will never be out of pain. There have been minutes after a fine sleep or a great session with a fine D.O. that does OMT but those are fleeting moments that remind me of what I could do way back when.

    Having found this so late at night I did not read all of it. What is the best energizing & pain killing strain/type? and who is reliable? I want a 1/4 lb. at least or more if the price/oz. drops & not $2.00 a capsule. MSM & other anti-inflammation natural products need to be incorporated. The web provides the best sources for the least amount of $ as you buy by the pound & there are no fillers/binders or garbage in them at certain sites & they are cheap unlike a “Natural Food Store”. $100 would buy 6 pounds of 6 different products (1lb each pure product) & need to be added to help fight inflammation. $4.00 Turmeric at a store in the Indian section does wonders but takes time as does the others. But we did not get sick in 1 day nor will we get well in 1 day…may be months before results become apparent so do nothing & suffer or something & one day say “hey, my elbow doesn’t hurt as much (or at all). Eating or not eating certain foods help. It comes down to educating yourself away from modern voodoodoo medicine & the time & (when available) money invested is what your body & quality of life is worth to you! Pizza or a pound of Opti-Pure MSM for $11.00? You also don’t have to drop $400 on a bottle of CBD oil or even $100. What would Krantom run in a ¼ lb? $50? How long would it last at 5 grams a day? Seems like a standard dose. Seriously…what is the average cost & amount/day to use high grade Krantom for pain?
    Just some thoughts & questions too late at night.

    1. Hi Kay,
      I have chronic pain along with other medical problems, that I wont bore you with. I started taking kratom after a friend convinced me to try it. I was going through withdrawals from running out of my gabapentin, which I had no idea would give me the same withdrawals as I got when I ran out of the perks I was put on for years for my chronic migraines! I finally broke down and got some and was so surprised at how much better I felt! Ive been taking it almost every day since march and it makes me feel almost 100% better! I found that the green strain works the best for me for pain and energy. It also helps with my mood, and has a nice side affect too of a mild appetite supression that has been helping me lose weight. A good online store that Ive found is kats botanicals. Their prices are pretty good and they have alot of choices. My two favs are green strain maeng da or green strain malay. They say it is good to mix them up though, and try different strains to find what works best for you, and taking different ones also helps you from building up a tollerance to any specific strain. They also say it is a good idea to take a break from it for a day or two every few weeks, but for me anyways, going more than one day without it, is very painful. I take about 1 1/2 teaspoons once sometimes twice a day, which is about 6grams but its better to start at around 2grams and go from there. I found that mixing it with a little hot water, and then adding either chocolate milk or orange juice tastes the best for me. Cuz drinking it straight can be hard to tolerate for some. It basically tastes like what green algae in a fish tank smells like! LOL good luck and hope this helps! Happy new year!

  12. My pain doctor in Chino, Ca put me on Methadone 12 years ago ( 3 stomach surgeries gone south ) and it actually saved my career, I was on 60 mg a day the entire time living a very productive life. Then the big fucking opiate crisis comes along and the Doctors put their tails between Their legs and bow down to all the politicians. They started decreasing the amount and were very dirty about it, then if you tell them you are experiencing withdrawal, you suddenly become a piece of shit addict. I slowly weened myself off the shit while continuing to get my 30 mg dosage so I would have more time to do it. No amount of time will eliminate the fatigue symptoms. They last what seems to be forever, even today. If anyone thinks that Methadone isn’t one of the most addictive substances on this planet , they can take their opinions and shove it where the sun dont shine because unlike Mr pharmacist, I know the shit gets in every cell in your body. No book learning can dispute this. Even the moron Doctor that put me on it told me that it would be completely out of my system in 3 days. This is hysterically insanely stupid, he needs to be slapped, It was the hardest thing I ever quit , Nicotine being second, Alcohol was nothing compare to Methadone and I gave up all Beer and Cigs 30 yrs ago cold turkey.. People need to find answers to their health problems elsewhere because todays doctors are only interested in money and they do not care about people, it is to them how many office visits they can cram into a day so they can increase revenue, Pharmaceuticals are the same. Insurance companies have caused this but are they to blame completely, probably not as they are trying to overcome the costs associated with all the low lifes in this country not paying for insurance. Enough of the countries problems. If Kratom helps you feel better , I say go for it at least till the Congress puts our asses in jail for it. Isnt it easy to take away the worlds pain meds when you yourself have no pain.
    Thank you law makers for taking away the Doctors ability to treat chronic pain, and all because young people want to party with Grandmas Opiates and blow out their heart. I’m happy to say I dont need the doctors or their drugs anymore. Good thing too cuz they wont give them to you anymore anyway. Use the Kratom now cuz I can assure you that these crooked fucking politicians will be paid off by big pharmaceutical soon enough. Good Luck

    1. This is by far the BEST and most accurate summing up of the situation we’ve ever read.

    2. Couldn’t have said it better myself😉 thank you!!! Well said for all of us in pain, or with depression, anxiety, fatigue from pain, and etc…I just started taking kratom and it is amazing!!! I couldn’t believe the pain it took away I have carpal tunnel, tendinitis, arthritis, and all I can say is wow it’s literally saved my job!!!😊

      1. Where do you get it???

        1. We’re not supposed to ask such questions. I just got told off from asking on FB. How can we know what, where and how to get real products?

        2. Most anywhere that you buy “tobacco” pipes. I believe the lingo is a “headshop”

    3. WOW! Very well said! Hey, after you slap that Dr. Can I shake him real hard, just for a second?? JK…kinda. Actually my Dr. is pretty liberal w/ me and he has had his whole “profession stolen” from him, (we all know each other around here, we all live in the same small Midwest town,) He’s been pretty upset that he had became a “clinician” & cannot even see his patients when we were hospitalized, (like the hospital stays w/ out him help!!) He has been my internal medicine Dr. for over 15 years. Knows me well & after the last 15 yrs. the clinic/hospital he started at is now “only a clinic.” It’s been bought and sold three times in the past 6 yrs! You can’t see him inpatient. (Only a complete stranger, a hospitalist, who knows nada about you!) My Internal Medicine Dr. & I have a great repor w/each other and he once looked at me during an appointment after I went to Mayo Clinic 7 times to discuss all the results I had already been informed of @ Mayo, w/REAL tears in his eyes and said, “This isn’t what I signed up for! I can’t even help my patients! I’m an office manager now, nothing more!” I’m SO glad he shared that, gives me warmth inside to know some people actually CARE!! He actually uses the phrase,
      “I don’t know!” And “I was wrong!” Or, “I’m sorry!!”
      He’s very kind and humble. A rare trait for any Dr. nowadays imo.
      Plus he just now made “the big leap” and joined an outstanding medical practice 46 miles away to be the Dr. he went to school so long for, and you bet I followed!! I wish there were more like him! I once was in the er and this “Dr. lady” was “inspecting me” quite invasively and she did a cat scan and she said, “There’s nothing wrong that I can see or feel, your cervix looks good even w/ the poor blood test results!” I couldn’t believe it! I had my cervix removed in a hysterectomy 10 years prior!! It’s like, lady?!?!?!
      Ok, so, anyway…
      I suffer from pancreatic disease, put on hospice, and it Hurts. Daily. Bad. Functioning at 3% they say as they stare at me like I’m hiding a big secret still functioning as I do…I stare flatly back and just say, “Take it up w/ God!” Being a patient w/chronic pain and knowing that the pain is not going to go away, is just an awful, horrible thing to live with. We try to be positive though don’t we?! If only they could walk a block in our shoes!!
      I’m Sure you all understand, that’s why we’re here right?! Anyway, i has Enough!! I fired hospice. I had hydromorphone iv flowing through my veins @ home here 24/7 through a port they put in me, I had just “went along w/ all of it!” I didn’t KNOW! I couldn’t stay awake, I could get six extra doses and hour prn, (yeah, I pushed that button!) Yet, of course, I felt worse than ever. Poison. Yeah, I felt poisoned. Couldn’t stay awake, carried a bag around w/ me like a purse w/ the pain meds in it everywhere, it was connected internally in my body! Real fun showering like that!!😳 Not! So I finally said “Enough!” After hospice kept coming in here every other day looking @ me like, “Aren’t you Dead Yet?!” So I fired hospice, got the iv out- WHOA!! Even trading that for 18, 8mg. Dilaudid pills per day w/ 8, 10 mg. Hydrocodone, AND diazepam, I Still hit w/drawl hard!! FNA Man! I couldn’t believe it! (Mind you, I’m still being told I’m gonna die soon) Soooooo, Sorry, I wasn’t gonna write this long, guess it’s a purge. So Thank You For This. Anyway, I am OFF the dilaudid, the vicadin, and so far the diazepam,
      AND………I’m Still Alive!!
      Kratom comes From Heaven And Heavenly People! God Bless You All!!
      We Can Do This! Together…💫

    4. EXACTLY RIGHT!!!!!

  13. Been on subs for 4 yrs have weened down to 1mg a day but want off completely I’ve heard a lot of good about Kratom and really want to try it just don’t know what to get any help is appreciated

    1. Ive been on suboxone for 5 years. I was on methadone prior to and basically the methadone wd were so bad I thought I was being smart and by day 15 no methadone I couldnt take it and started the suboxone. I would crush up the pills and snort them so I abused them for 4 of the 5 years. Theres been a time ive done 3 of the 8mg pills lile that in a day. For me thats a lot im a small framed woman and very short. So life kept happening and i got very fed up of things controlling me and so so sick of living in fear of being sick. If youre truly ready to be off the subs you can do it. Today is my 31st day. Im so fucking proud of myself. Ive used kratom to help. Now i never said its easy. Ive had some roughhhhh days but each night im sleeping more so im waking up better also each day that horrible feeling you wake up with is getting less and less. Im starting to get happy on my own and lm enjoing life more each day. I hope this helps you to realize that its itsan make it 31 days anyone can! Good luck! the kratom basically saved my life!

      1. I quit subs on Red Bentaungie kratom. It really works. Been sub free since November. Any red will help with any WD symptoms and pain. I am happy to say I am a daily kratom user and nothing else. Trust me I’ve done every pain med under the sun. Good luck.

    2. I just took myself off sub’s too and found any type of red strain works 100% well. Its worked for me and I’ve now been off sub’s for 2 weeks now!

  14. I’ve been on Subs for 4 yrs I’ve been weening myself down I’m currently taking 1 mg a day but I want off of them completely and I’m scared shitless to go cold turkey I’ve tried before and couldn’t take it I’ve heard a lot of good things about Kratom and I’m wanting to try it but don’t know what to get it where to start any help would be greatly appreciated

    1. Heather, Green Maeng Da is great! Think it could help you. Also only need be about a teaspoon to start. I take powder with juice. It helps me with anxiety, pain, & other issues I have. It calms you but also gives you energy & uplifts mood.

    2. i was on subs as well and ended up getting kicked off, and i started using kratom to get off subs, and let me tell you it is what kept me going and helped immensely. i really didnt even feel sick

  15. We have to fight it. Join the American Kratom Association and donate to help fight the wrongful bureaucracy that will make what works that is all natural a Schedule 1 drug…..which it is not!!! The govt. is being paid….the representatives to vote it illegal. We all have to stand up!!!!!

    1. I am starting kratom today I have been on suboxone for 10 years and just don’t want to be on it any more I ordered the Red Maeng Da cause that’s what they said would aid in the withdrawal and the White Maeng Da for energy level. Can someone THAT HAS EXPERIENCE with this please tell me if this is going work or am I going to be sick when the divorce suboxone leaves my system I have 1 – 8mg tablet left but only going to take half today half tomorrow was on 2 a day. Thank you for any advice and info.

      1. You really should wean yourself down and slowly transition to kratom. If you just outright stop that high of a dosage without knowing how much kratom works for you, you’ll make yourself sick. Feel free to email me, I’ll be glad to be your support [email protected]

      2. Nichole,
        I have been on subutex for two years. Due to my doctor retiring and me being done with the side effects of subs i decided to quit cold turkey. I waited til I started to feel the withdrawal symptoms and I took 4grams of red bentuangie kratom (which was recommend by my local kratom shop). I felt better within 30 minutes, no lie. I have been on it ever since and had almost no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. I know everyone is different but kratom worked for me no doubt and gave me my life back free of opiates. I hope this helps. Take care.

      3. I was on 40mg of oxycodone a day and quit cold Turkey thanks to kratom but if you’re on high doses of meds you need higher doses of kratom. I started with 1Tablespoon of green Bali because I didn’t know what to take, and I read already in withdrawal. Within 15 min my withdrawals totally went away and I felt like I had just taken a pain pill. I experienced NO opiate withdrawals thanks to kratom. Now I take tsp a day to manage my pain. Kratom WILL stop all withdrawal symptoms

        1. Hi. I suffer from chronic pain, fibroids and ovarian cysts. Can u guide me in the direction of good product? Currently new pain mgmt doc that isnt completely treating my pain.

      4. It works. You need to wean down to 1mg of Sub a day. For the first 2 weeks+ you will be taking kratom all day and all night. But after 2 weeks of the sub leaving your system you will see small improvements. Unfortunately because of the Subs half-life it stays in your system a long time which makes the withdrawal symptoms linger. But consume the kratom regularly, as often as needed, to remain comfortable. I would say the only issue the kratom can’t solve is the insomnia. But your body is adjusting to its natural form, once you go through it you will only feel better as the days go on.

      5. Just wondering how it’s going? I’m on day 2 of Kratom and no subs. I feel ok so far

  16. Wonder if the FDA and DEA will schedule l the drugs called NSAID’s …ibuprofen! Can be purchased anywhere over the counter! Stats below
    It has been known for some time that these drugs — called nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, or NSAIDs — have serious side effects and are a major cause of drug-induced injury. They are estimated to cause at least 16,000 deaths per year and send 100,000 people to the emergency room in the U.S.Jul 27, 2015

    1. We have to fight it. Join the American Kratom Association and donate to help fight the wrongful bureaucracy that will make what works that is all natural a Schedule 1 drug…..which it is not!!! The govt. is being paid….the representatives to vote it illegal. We all have to stand up!!!!!

  17. I am also new to this after weaning myself off of a 32 mg a day Suboxone habit. It did help with pain and my addiction (to anything opioid/opiate) I was on it for two years this time and did a pretty decent job of tapering. I have been completely off for about a month now. The problem is my energy and pain level which for me, go hand in hand. I ordered some Red Bali capsules, took eight and am feeling a difference already. It is subtle but noticeable. I truly hope this helps. As a 57 year old addict/alcoholic I know I have used up all of my nine lives. Reading everyone’s comments has been extremely helpful.

    1. I’m glad you found this. For energy and pain relief I like maeng da.

    2. I was on that poison for 5 years AND took myself off, 2 months of hell o.p.m.s. extract got me UP and going after 2 months of total fatigue, congratulations on your achievement I have rheumatory arthritis all IN my back and I unload ships stuff is a mircle

  18. For what it’s worth: I have been an addict for 15 years and for the past year been on Subutex. I quit subs cold turkey (not as in deli) and kratom has gave me my life back. Literally. Very tolerable withdrawal if any with kratom and I’m 7 days in. I work a very hard laborous job every day and haven’t missed a beat. So say what you will. This stuff works, so fuck the FDA!!!!

  19. I just tried the Bali kratom I’m now in 60 mg of methadone and came down from 202mg I just started feeling uncomfortable skipped my take home dose just tried kratom hours ago and feel very Good

    1. How are you feeling now?

  20. Hi Michael
    Try red and green Bali, red Agatha, reds work very well on pain, combined with some greens like green Bali gives you energy, too. Also try green and red Agatha from Christopher’s organic botanicals.
    I wish you complete relief from your pain. I’m in the same boat and kratom has given my life back.

  21. Methadone is actually more addictive than pain pills and heroin. I was an addict for 15 years. I’ve been sober for 5 years. But anyways. I find that a red indo or a red maeng da is great for pain relief and opiate withdrawal I myself use a red maeng da for pain relief but that’s just my personal preference red Bali is supposed to be great for pain relief as well. I hope you find this info useful!!!

    1. ZERO evidence for Methadone being “actually ‘More’ addictive than Heroin” I’ve taken PharmacyTech 1 & 2 and three of my close family members are Registered Pharmacists- and THE ONLY PEOPLE who say this are addicts who are 0% formally educated.

      1. @Dustin Hellstern

        Are you actually saying Methadone is not addicting? Or are you just saying it is not more addicting then pain pills and heroine?

      2. However the addicts are the ones that actually experience it. So honestly, you just sound ignorant.

        1. Yeah!! I absolutely hate when people give their opinion solely based on book knowledge. Everyone is and has a different experience with any particular pharmaceutical!

      3. Addicts have 0% education, 100 % experience. Dr.s, pharmacists, people with pharmacy tech 1 and 2 have 0 experience. How the hell do you think you know what your talking about if you have never done it? Maybe all the addicts are just collectively “making it up”

        1. I am a former pharmacist tech. I will be the first to tell you that you are 100% right. Notice, I said former. I had to get out of the field of drugging the masses because my conscience was killing me. Pharmacies and drug companies are just legal drug pushers! If this helps you, go for it. I plan on trying after doing more research for my chronic pain.

        2. A profound statement of truth!

      4. “Educated” prick the only way to know that isn’t from your pretentious asshole opinion; it’s by use of both. Your degree makes you dumber, and a judgemental piece of shit. I’d love to formally educate your bitch ass with my foot.

        1. Love it!!! Well said 🙌🙌

      5. No class in pharmaceutical can tell u shit when it comes to experience! Methadone is if not as addicting is more addicting than heroin! So fuck your pharmaceutical 1 &2 class!

        1. Will have to agree I am 47 been doing black for last 7 yrs as well as my script 180 oxecodon with in 7 to 11 days I ran threw on daily after that getting black at very least gram a day I did every day up to next fill date from doc I yesterday was without black ,pills, and by today you all no the drill really a messed up deal today at 12 noon made 2 tea sons in a half fool 12 ice coffee shook up and down the neck it’s 12:40 and let me say this👉 NO WITH DRAWLS💨👍TOTAL180 FROM 45 MIN AGO. PHUK FDA

      6. You are such an ignorant over educated under experienced twit and part of the problem with the whole medical community. 3 years ago my doctors were cramming opiates down my throat after 10 years of chronic pain 2 spinal fusions and one revision spinal surgery. Now I have 3 years pre med and my father was a PA for 45 years. Was actually in the first ever graduated class of physicians assistants ever. I am definitely here to tell you @Dustin Hellstern with 10 years of experience receiving pain management treatment that opiates like Fentanyl, methadone, suboxone (I was only on the former not the latter 2) have far more severe withdrawal symptoms than say morphine. You being a Pharmacy tech you should be familiar with the term “half-life “. The half -life of methadone is longer than heroin that’s why they use it for heroin/opiate adjunct. That half life is going to effect the duration and severity of adjunct/withdrawal symptoms. At least that’s my hypothesis on the situation after again 10 years EXPERIENCE.

      7. So you have no experience with it but because you taking some classes you know more than somebody who’s actually taking the drugs? That’s the problem with some people they just read a book and think they know everything. Look I’ve taken pain pills, methadone, and heroin, for years at a time each. I don’t know what your book say, but methadone I won’t say is more addicting, but has the worst withdrawal symptoms by far. And it also takes longer to finally say you’re actually through with withdrawals. I think it has to do with it people’s age and body type also. Think about it you can read all the books on car racing you want for years at a time, but until you get behind the wheel, you’ll never know what it really feels like or if you can actually employ what you’ve learned. Yes I know it’s a little different but you get my point. No matter what your book say methadone has a longer half life in your body therefore has a longer withdrawal time. That’ll tell you this because I read books or took some classes, I tell you this because I’ve used the drugs myself and I know first hand what they do to you. Please don’t mistake these comments for me sounding like I’m proud of his, I’m just saying this is my reality. I’ve only been off heroin for a month and I’m still a little unenergetic and Restless so I’m looking into this kratom. I just read some of these comments, and just have to shake my head. For those of you who are fighting the opiate fight never give up God bless you

      8. Unless you were an addict you would not know. Book learning is not even compatible. Methadone IS highly addictive speaking from someone who watched family members HOOKED on it for 15 years after coming off of heroin addiction.

      9. Wrong DUSTIN!!!! Get out if being BRAINWASHED!!!!! UNTIL YOU ARE ONE IN PAIN AND HAVE TO RELY ON THESE OPIATES, OR ARE A ADDICT OR FORMER ADDICT, YOU KNOW NOTHING!!! Go look up the Rockefellers and learn how they took over Conventional medicine back in the early 20’s and made it the mainstream medical we have today FOR PROFIT!!!! They said that they will squash the cure……said “THERE IS NO PROFIT IN A CURE.”
        They created the rules, created the medical schools and pharmaceuticals FOR PROFIT!!! I have read loads of documentation to back up what I just said. I am a testimony for both fields. I have been using alternative health and herbs for 18 years and have CURED!!!!….most of my health problems. I have been on opiates now for 16 years. I have had to stop taking them before with NOTHING FOR HELP!!! It was PURE HELL!!! I CANT TAKE THE TOXIC CHEMICALS THEY ISSUE FOR OPIATE WITHDRAWL. I HAD TO GET BACK ON THEM OR BE BEDRIDDEN!!!! I react to ALL pharmaceutical type drugs but one pill. IM SERIOUS….YOU NEED TO INVESTIGATE HOW THE medical field is ALL QUACKERY for conditions. I’m living proof along with others that Alternative medicine and Herbs are the way to go!!!!! Please!!! DON’T come on a site like this and spew ignorance and brainwashing!!! My dad was a Dr. and I grew up watching alot!!! I AM A WITTNESS TO WHAT THE MEDICAL FIELD DID TO MY DAD RIP DAD….AND NOW MY MOTHER!!!!

        1. Amen, sister. ‘Drug lords’, no , NO conscience. ALL about $$$$$$, they destroyed my Hard earned long term efforts to get better. Gained 60# (yes, sixty!) In one month, now crippling pain. Was walking 5-10 mi/ day. Now not one little walk in 6 mo. Wanted to end it all. El Champo has nothing on the almighty pharmaceutical lobbys. Devastating. And Legal?? THEY will fight KRATOM the hardest!

        2. Hi Pamela. I don’t know if you will see this since it’s repkying to your post from November, but if you do, can you please tell me where to get the best “ACCURATE” information about Alternative Medicine and Herbs to use for treating diabetes type 2, under active thyroid and Psoriatic Arthritis, among other things? I have read different books and am Leary about some of the advice given, but I would love to be able to get off most, if not all, of my prescriptions. I am allergic to so many different prescription medications and because I have so many health problems and chronic pain from 12 failed lumbar surgeries and multiple level fusions, severe scoliosis, two cervical fusions on multiple levels, nerve pain, degenerative disc disease, and many other problems, I am taking so many prescriptions that I feel only cause so many problems themselves. I have been on the merry go round of all the opioid pain meds that I was on very high dosages and over the past 3 yrs they keep taking the dosages lower and lower and now I am afraid it’s just a matter of time before they cut me off altogether so I started using kratom and I found that it took away the withdrawals completely and has helped with my pain too. The real test for the kratom will come this summer when I am outside working in my flowers and fruit orchards. This is when I am truly in my little slice of heaven on earth as gardening is my relief from the depression and anxiety. Over the past many years I have only been able to enjoy gardening when taking my opioids to block the pain. Without it I am not able to be on my feet for more than 5 or 10 minutes every few hours, otherwise I am in such agonizing pain that I want to just go ahead and leave this world for good. Now that my doctors have taken away all of my immediate pain relievers then the only thing I can do is sit around watching tv or reading. My extended release morphine does block most of my pain as long as I am not trying to do anything physical. Without my immediate release pain meds I am not able to have any kind of a quality life. The kratom has helped me tremendously, but because it is winter I have not really tested the real extremes of it to see how well it will work. This spring I am looking forward to finding out how well it works when I start my gardening routine. I hope it will enable me to do my gardening without pain. If it does then I will stop all of the prescription pain meds altogether and won’t go back to them. I am afraid that it is just a matter of time before my state government bans the kratom and then I have no idea what I will do once that happens. It should not be allowed that the government can make any God made plants illegal and especially so if it can benefit people in so many ways. Anyway, I hope you get this message and can help me out. Thank you and God bless

      10. You’re a pretentious dumbass! I had to buy heroin to ween myself off of methadone. I hate it when someone who hasn’t experienced things try to “educate”people who have. Why don’t you read a book on how to fly a 747 and get in one and take off!

      11. They r pharmacists abd not doctors. Also everyone has different experiences with different drugs. So unless u have had these addictions u should never judge or think to know what its like for us. This is one of the problems with people getting help is people like u. Pharmacists r NOT DOCTORS.

      12. I’ve done a lot of both and I promiss you methadone is way harder to get off than oxys or heroine.

      13. I trust an addict’s word about addiction more than I would trust a ‘pharmacy technician’s’ word. Who the hell are you to say that Methadone is not addictive? YOU are the uneducated idiot in this forum🖕🏼

  22. I have been using Kratom for over 4 years as an alternative to medicine. I suffered a lot from severe pain. After using Kratom Powder I don’t feel pain anymore. Actually, Kratom is a natural painkiller supplement which works well for every person. This also helps to recover mental depression as well.

    Happy to use Kratom for a long-term.

    1. Josie which strain do you use?

    2. Do you know if it is safe to take some pregnant? I have been using kratom for chronic pain and my husband and I are trying to have another baby. Any info welcomed. Thank you.

      1. No, Brandi, it’s not proven safe. And there was just a case where a baby had all the signs of withdrawl after being born. The mom was a former addict, who was clean for years. She swore she didn’t use and tested negative. The baby tested negative. Turns out, she was drinking kratom tea during her pregnancy. When it comes to your baby’s safety, I would avoid as much medication in addition to the kratom as you can. It’s also great to talk to your OBGYN before you get pregnant. Good luck to you!

  23. Thank u very much Jane. I was involved in an accident in 2004 and suffered fairly painful injuries. It was the worst pain I have ever been in. When I was released from the hospital after having my broken jaw wired shut, the doctors sent me home with some weak liquid Hydrocodone,.which I had never had pain medicine, until that point. NEEDLESS to say I had to find stronger medication for my pain. I became hooked on oxycontin for a period of ten years. I then decided to get on a methadone clinic to control my addiction. I am on a fairly low dose of only 70 mgs, and I would like to find out which KRATOM strain will help me with withdrawals and anxiety. I never planned on becoming addicted. Some things you can’t erase no matter how hard U try. Pain is only a ghost if you just stop feeling it. These last two lines are from 2 songs by two different bands. One of the songs is by TRAPT and the other is by COHEED and CAMBRIA. I hope these words resonate for those of you that think addiction is so easy to overcome. It can happen to the best of us. So many of us have this on common.

    1. Michael – I’ve been on suboxone for a while after getting carried away on painkillers myself for about the same amount of time as you specified so I understand completely. I like the RED MAENG DA or BALI. I take around 4-5 grams twice daily. I’ve only been taking the Kratom for a couple months so I’m a beginner myself to this world but there are definitely warm euphoric vibes mixed with a stimulant like energy, so it’s a nice combination. Being so damn tired was one of the worst WD symptoms when trying to get off the hydro,oxy or methadone/suboxone…..I haven’t completely eliminated the suboxone yet but am down to under 2mg a day and dropping which is extremely low. After being addicted to opiates for so long I’m highly skeptical of anything that claims to help…. but Kratom defieilty helps. Best of luck my friend. Email me if you have any questions bro.
      ^—Nick D—^
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      1. Ultra is horrible to stop taking. I wish I had this when I stopped taking my tramadol. Would have helped, I’m sure.

      2. I’ve just started because there is practically no where to pick this up in my area. Which would you say is better; liquid, capsules or powder?

    2. Hi Michael I think some of your post got cut off.
      I am curious if the lyrics to the songs you mentioned?

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