Maeng Da Kratom

As a high potency strain, Maeng Da delivers a punch. 

It brings many of the pain relieving qualities expected of Kratom, but with a much bigger stimulating boost. However, unlike other stimulants, the energy boost doesn’t come with any jittery, unfocused side effects.



The details

Maeng Da was specifically created as a high potency red kratom strain in the humidity and heat of Indonesia. Similar to Bali Kratom, Maeng Da blends pain relief and energy into one. However, in order to beat the heat in Indonesia, this strain was made to provide a bigger kick in energy than Bali.

the difference

Because of it’s specifically bred for alkaloid properties, Maeng Da takes the normal pain relieving properties of a red strain and adds a nice energetic kick that some reds lack.

the science

Maeng Da Kratom was created using a technique called grafting, where tissues of different plants are joined together to breed different qualities of each plant into a new strain. In an effort to create a strain which maintains pain relief while mitigating sedative effects so it could be used during work in Indonesia, Maeng Da was born.

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  1. Ok Tim last one I promise.. haha But first wanted to clarify on kratom being grown in shaded, or semi shaded conditions vs sunny locations. The predominant alakaloid produced by the plant is mitragynine. Mitragynine to a large degree is responsible for the stimulant effect of kratom. On the contrary 7hdroxy-mitragynine is more analagesic/sedative in nature. Expressing traits more in line with classic opioid analogs. Studies have shown pure 7 hydroxy-mitra as being 13 times more potent than morphine mg for mg. However kratom grown under normal circumstances before harvesting has virtually no 7hydroxy. Or varying low amounts. However kratom growing in excessively sunny locations test the highest for 7hdroxy present before harvest. So you want a shade grown, and indoor dried green vein strain. Last but certainly not least consumption amount, and method of consumption. I’ve already pitched my regimented dosing schedule. So now I shall go into method I simply weigh out my dose of 4.5 grams. Don’t cheap out weigh your dose accurately use a scale. With kratom less is more, and I’m not sure you understand agonist, and antagonist relationships on u – receptors. But essentially kratom has safeguards for abuse. These include overdosing for the sake of euphoria. Which leads to loss of said euphoria, and a rapid spiral to drowsiness. Being nauseated at the end of the day. From chasing one dose with another. While neglecting to eat. Anyway back to the story I’m running out of time. My method First I set water towards a boil. After I weigh my dose I throw my 4.5 in the bottom of my glass cup. I wait until the water starts a simmering boil. Then I grab the kettle, and wait for low boil to quiet, and steam to roll. I pour the water in about 4-5 times the amount of the powder. It fills less than half the tall glass. I stir it up well making sure it’s dissolved. Leave it spinning spoon on top of glass. Come back ten minutes later. The powder has settled to the bottom. And the tea with all the alkaloids you want like the mitragynine which is water soluble. 7hydroxy-mitra is not water soluble. It will not be in the tea. However it will remain in the powder. You can simply carefully pour off the tea on top. Being careful not to disturb the sediment. Or you can filter it. Though in my opinion is a waste of time, and filters catch good stuff. Anyway.. Added advantage you can detect contaminated kratom this way. Inspect the sediment on the bottom. You will notice the soft parts of the leaves separate from stem, and vein. You can see what proportions they are in. You can sometimes visibly see contaminants. White goo floating on the surface of sediment is usually not bad unless it’s excessively gooey, and creates a layer nearly as thick as the green plant matter layers. When your stirring your glass let your spoon lightly rub the bottom of the glass. If you hear, and feel sand scraping between your spoon and glass. Carefully bust your good pan out. And sift that green powder down to the heavies. Get a magnify. Inspect the contaminants. Any contaminate should be deemed unnacceptable. But very fine uniform grained sand. Can just be due to accumulation out of the air from silica particles(sand). But un-uniform sand particles especially large ones that nearly crumble like glass under your quick moving spoon. Likely mean that kratom plant underwent flooding, and was either not washed at all. Or simply dunked once in a 55 gallon drum of river water. That has already had fifty other bundles dunked by other workers. All of which do not think of sanitation like you, or I do. They also don’t understand immunities, and cross continental contagion concerns. Be careful where you get your kratom. It’s great to get to cheap kratom. But what’s the real cost? Amongst things found in the bottom ridge of the pan may include sand, rusted metal shavings, and maybe a few specks of gold. Haha jk. But you never know. The rusty metal shavings can be from when again these shady small time Indo facebook vendors, wild harvesters, or “farmers” Use old rusty milling machines to mill, and micronize the cured leaves. Unless these machines are properly maintained they quickly begin to degrade from the high volume, and frequency of use. This coupled with the often constant high levels of humidity, and lack of access to climate controlled facilities. Further contribute to the rapid degradation of these iron work horses. Which inevitably means oxidized rusty shavings contaminating the kratom. These are often very fine, and hard to see without magnify. But if there is metal there is usually sand. Anyway I’m super drained from a long day. Be happy to answer any questions email me at [email protected] Also as a last bit of valuable knowledge. If you do not consume the powder, but only the tea. You can avoid the overwhelming majority of negative side effects. Nausea, constipation (for those who have this problem) I never have. But I do know a friend who fixes the issue by taking his dose with an oil meant for consumption. He says they call him grease lightning at work. Because when he goes number two. They hear pow pow, and a flush and a few moments later out he comes a load lighter. Haha. But really in Indonesia the majority has always not consumed the leaf. They either make a tea from the leaf (unground) and filter the whole leaves before drinking. Or they stick a leaf under their lip. To absorb sublingually. Which is actually really effective. But they never consume the leaf itself except for in meals prepared for those in extreme pain. In which cases the highest content 7hydroxy velvet red leaves are chosen to infuse into a fatty meal. As 7hydroxy-mitra is not water soluble unlike the more stimulating precursor mitragynine which is water soluble. But ive got to jam to bed. Have a Good one Brother. Hope me passing a little of what I’ve learned has helped you to make some informed decisions as to routes to take. Feel free to email me with any further questions, or inquires.

  2. Hello guys,
    I am 67 years old. I was in pain 10 plus years. taking every type pain killers. In that 10 years i swallowed ” a tonn” of medication. Last medicine was hydro morphine . What is Hydro morphine? It is Morphine [email protected]##$ Doctor easily prescribed me that medicine like it is aspirin. It took me about a week to get rid of that poison.
    Despite of medicine I was just laying …not doing anything .After two years I almost forgot to alk.!!!!###???
    Now I am using green Green Ming Da. Daily i am taking 10-15 g two times
    So far I fill good , and preparing for competition for my age on Canada events.
    I am still looking for best green Kratom that relief the pain but to not make mi slippy. IF SOMEBODY HAVE GOOD IDEA PLEASE WRITE ON THIS DISCUSSION.
    I hope my story will help for some people.

    1. has anyone noticed this helps with cough? I’ve had a chronic cough for years, the only thing that would help is Norco ( I guess it blocks the portion of brain that makes you cough), well I don’t want take narcotics so I tried this & it’s actually helping, I’ve tried for over 20 yrs to get relief from this cough, can’t believe this is actually helping me plus gives me that little boost of energy. 🙂

      1. Hi my bulldog has severe allergies and some vets think it might be cancerous, and I start giving him greenhorn for his pain in this busted off teeth and it looks like all his skin didn’t condition cancer has dried up by looking at my dog I would think that greenhorn cures cancer he wakes up every morning wagging his tail and for a couple years straight he just laid there unable to move, and I was on pain medication due to a back injury from 97 so I was on pain medications for over 15 years until I found kratom it really changed my life thank God for kratom

    2. Hey guys can someone help me! I got premium maeng da kratom capsules! I’m about 130 pounds! I’ve never tried the capsules but I got them because I have NO ENENERGY! Can someone help me with the dose I should start off with???? Don’t want to overdo it!

      1. Start with 3 capsules and see how you feel.

    3. Nick you are taking way too much kratom powder. If you take too much it will make you drowsy. Try taking 4.5 gram doses spaced evenly throughout the day. When you take a dose, and start feeling great don’t take more even if you really want to. Even if you think it will make it even better. It likely won’t. More may have the opposite effect, and sedate you. Instead wait until it’s been at least 5 hours since your last dose. Taking more sooner can sedate, or cause nausea. Kratom has natural anti-abuse antagonists. Eating shortly after a dose is not advised. However a snack, or even meal is advised around three to four hours after you last dosed if your body prompts you so. Do yourself a favor do just ignore the urge, and dose again. Now After the food has digested, and some time has allotted you may dose again. For mornings kratom may be taken on an empty stomach. However this is not a healthy habit. As this means dosing shortly after waking. Which is terribly habit forming, and hard to break. And is hard on your digestion. It’s best to first have a banana, or even an apple. Digestion takes around 45mins. I’ve through experimentation found that thirty minutes after finishing eating. On the tail end of the morning/ breakfast digestive cycle is the perfect time to dose. no nausea. It’s also best to have been awake at least 30 preferably 45 mins before eating breakfast.

    4. Nick this is my second response to you. But what I have learned about the morning is important starting the day by immediately taking a dose will cause negative side effects. Especially when made habit, and it’s so much better to allow waking up time, and a small snack before. And tailgating your dose onto the last 1/3 of the digestion time of previous meal. Also how you prepare your kratom matters. As well as how your kratom was dried, and the age it was harvested. whether the tree was young, or old. Location it was grown. I.e. By a river? Or in a flood Delta? Or in the dense tropical forset? Wether the leaves were mature, and previous weather patterns before harvest. As well as temperatures, and moistures, and drying method employed. Meaning indoor, or outdoor. Time taken, or in other words single dry..Or repeated rehydration, and exposure to sunlight for fermentation. All these things matter for instance fermenting cycles convert much of the stimulating mitragynine into the much more sedating/analagesic 7hydroxy-mitragynine. This process usually turns the leaves red. Hence reds. All kratom plants are the same they are not different strains. The only exception is elephant kratom. And it’s a tricky thing to explain. But real elephant can be a treat a btw. Back to the moral of the story.. but first a word of warning The Young kratom plants cropping up along rivers like the lengthy Hulu kapaus river. Which are commonly harvested by small scale local indo “farmers”.. Who will post pics next to “their” 8ft tall kratom plants growing in abundance. smiling amongst the leaves. Be weary young wild kratom grown within the flood zone of the banks of these lengthy, and wild rivers. Are often struck with sudden river rise due to tropical down pours. These flooding events are quick, but kratom is Hardy even young plants. They will one day grow to be mighty ten story tall pinnacles of strength. As tall as the plant/tree is that is how deep the root is. One long tap root. Because of this they hang on through flood events. problem arises when a snail rudix rubungai or something like that.. Comes out in abundance they are normally elsewhere eating other things. but in the power of the flood currents.. They end up latched to any green thing the flood torrents couldn’t wash away. Including sadly our beloved mitragynine speciosa. Certain times of the year after these events the snails are so abundant that they dot the landscape. Like slow moving raindrops slowly slipping down the branches, and dripping off the boughs. These snails leave slimy trails behind wherever they go. And in these trails are a nasty merciless vile thing. That is parasite eggs. A particularly harmful parasite known as a liver fluke.

    5. Nick third response sorry I got side tracked however as I was saying. You need a green strain preferably shade, or semi shade grown. Like mature trees away from river banks. Located within dense forest regions. Borneo, Sumatra.. You don’t want your kratom to be sun blasted either in situ i.e. where it grew. Or during drying. you don’t want fermentation. some darker greens have been fermented to convert Mitra into 7hdroxy-mitra. They achieve this without turning the leaf red by creating a green house effect with low uv penetration. This takes employing two layers of tarps. One below upon which the rehydrated leaf sits. and one layer above to protect the leaf from direct sun exposure. This prevents the leaf from turning red, but creates a drowsy green with higher levels of 7hydroxy, but still retaining more mitragynine than one with near complete conversion to 7hdroxy like a dark red. Which are made similar except rehydrated leaf is left on tarps exposed to sunlight for quick conversion. Depending on weather conditions the leaf may have to go through many drying, and rehydrating, and fermenting/drying, and rehydrating.. The sun is an important factor for conversion if it’s cloudy, or excessively humid for long periods. This can cause ruined harvests which turn brown instead of red. And while they may have achieved significant conversion. The phyto nutrients in the plants have begun to acidify, and break down. Leading to awful flavors, and aromas. Indonesian vendors often try to salvage these harvests by naming them bentuangie. And claiming they are high in pain killer 7hydroxy. When in reality they never finished conversion, and are no more than anfailed red. That’s began to spoil. Moral of story. Be careful never buy bentuangie. Especially because often small time Indo vendors will adulterate it to compensate for diminished effect, and unpalatableness.. This can come in the form of many unsafe things kava, chemically converted 7hdroxy (common practice of small time shady indo facebook vendors) Two tips on this growing problem. Look into vendors performing conversions of Mitra to 7hydroxy-mitra using nasty oxidizers like chemically altered lead, and other heavy metal oxidizers. And I’ve done detailed research into the industry on both sides. Look out for these things. First I wouldn’t get Hulu anything if I was you. But if you open a kilo, and it smells like fish. Don’t consume it as it has been contaminated by flood, and possibly worst by parasites.. But this is my routine. First however I must say toss, and wash is not advised. Inhaling kratom powder is not healthy. Nor is swallowing large amounts of unhydratee hydrophobic material with anything especially water. Talk about asking for trouble later on the toilet.. Anyway I keep getting terribly side tracked. About to have to wrap this up important part coming next. Hang in there.

  3. There is a LOT of info in these comments, and a LOT of it is wrong. First of all, if you are an addict…you should know that Kratom is addictive, just like whatever you are coming off of. That being said, it is much easier to come off of it than most actual ‘drugs’. And THAT being said, I don’t know why you would want to. It really DOES work, for literally everything mentioned here. Red strains work best for pain, white give lots of energy, and most greens do a bit of both. Vietnam and Thai strains are great for anxiety, and the former seems the best for euphoria (if it’s truly a Vietnam strain!) Dosage…is difficult. I recommend STARTING at 5 grams. That seems high compared with some comments here tho. But IMHO you want to take enough for it to have an effect. I take much more than that now. Over the years my tolerance has increased, much like anything else. I now take 15 grams, 2-3 times a day. Never less than 6 hours apart in dosing, it won’t work as good if it is less than that, and may make you nauseous if you take too much. Most pills contain roughly 1/2 gram per capsule, which means I take 30 pills at a time. Start with 5, wait 30 minutes, take 5 more if you feel you need to…repeat for desired effect. This will allow you to find your ‘sweet spot’…you’ll know if you take too much. As far as WHERE to get it…you just need to try some trial and error. Don’t give up if the first time or two yields low quality kratom, it is worth trying until you find the right brand for you. Headshops have recently become decent places to buy it, since popularity and demand has risen, but some may not really work at all. I buy it by the kilo online, but still try new brands at headshops to this day. I have been taking it for 8 years, so if you have any questions at all…I would be happy to answer them. Good luck, and do yourself a favor…try it until it works for you, because…it will.

    1. THANKS FOR INFO, I’m addicted to METHADONE but down to 10mgs a day, at one time I was on ridiculous high 180mgs of mdone, have had spinal surgery & had to relearn to walk, I’m feeling shitty at 10mgs but I know longer crave euphoria, just want to help detox, I’m aware of it being addictive but I don’t think it can be any worse than what I’m going thru, I did a “test”, bought 30 capsules of mang da & took 10caps at once 2x 1st day & skipped my mdone dose, 2nd day skipped my mdone & took 5caps twice & i vried watching a movie for 1st time in yrs, i didnt get euphoria that my non-opiate friends get but thats fine, i just want to be clear headed again, ppl usually say stay away from headshops but i undetstand what your saying as KRATOM has bcome more popular in last fee yrs, i was taking some from a friend that got from online vendor but i was stil in ADDICT MODE, wanting to feel something more than just withdraw releif, maybe I was getting much of anything cuz I was stil dosing mdone but this 30capsules helped for 2 days & believed it would’ve benifitted if I stuck to it, I didn’t want to buy ALOT & waste my cash, I’m bout to head to shop as I’m 43, new relationship & SPENDING Holiday w/gf family, I liked m-da & they also have Bali, as a long time KRATOM user, what would you recommend for lil energy, not really in pain anymore, calm, relaxed, I don’t think il find anything that will produce euphoric effects as I’ve been on man made synthetic opiate for quite sum time but it would be nice to feel lol upbeat to ease social anxiety, hence I mentioned energy earlier, any feedback would be HIGHLY APPRICIATED

      1. Congrats man.. I was addicted to opiates and fentynal for 15 years using the kratom i am happy to say i am clean now for 113 days and feel what normal feels like. It relieves my pain from a motorcycle accident where i got busted up bad..but it works. Stay strong brother

      2. Jumped off 70mg of methadone with nothing but kratom. 4 months later I’m done with both. It truly did save me.

    2. I know this seems like a silly question but I was only taking 1-2 pills of the green Maeng Da or red Bali & needed to take more every 2 hrs. I could feel withdrawals when I didn’t take them. I took 6) 10/325 hydro’s ea day for 10 yrs so I finally got off of them. If I take a higher dose, will that last longer? Is that why you’re able to go 6 hrs or so in between? I am taking about 12 a day right now

  4. I agree with everything positive that has been posted about Kratom in general and with Maeng Da in particular. However, one thing I would add to anyone who may be afflicted with A-fib (irregular heartbeat) is that your symptoms may be exacerbated by using any strain but especially so with Maeng Da. This was extremely disappointing to me as I had terrific initial results with Maeng Da for pain relief but it caused my heartbeat to go so wacky that I had to stop taking it. I currently am sticking with Red Bali which isn’t as effective for pain but doesn’t mess with my heartbeat as much.

    1. Nick. I’ve been having the same thing going on with my heart beat going through the roof. But I thought that was just since I’ve been off pain meds for a few days?! I didn’t even think that it was the Kratom strain. Guess I’ll be ordering new Kratom online and dealing with this for now. Ugh. I am thankful for Kratom,it’s helped. But people are making it seem like it’s just this big blanket that will cover every symptom and problem. Like it will come in, clean your house for you,pay your bills, feed the kids, work your job! No, it will barely help with withdrawal just so you can crawl your ass into work and barely walk and get thru the day. But I have to keep telling myself it’s worth it. So here we are. What does that have to do with your comment? I don’t know. 😂 Ffs .

  5. Ive been using green maeung da and green malay kratom for the past 7 months. I was on three opiates, dilaudid, fentanyl patch, and percocet for severe back and neck problems for about 13 years! After weening off opiates i tried kratom. I am amazed! My pain is a 0-1 level now with 3tsps kratom in water. I take one to two doses each day and im great. I also suffer from major depression. The kratom gives me energy and im always smiling now. The kratom is a lifesaver for me! I never thought id get off opiates but now i cant believe i was ever on them.

  6. just so everybody is aware, if your EVER withdrawling from opiates (I’ve withdrawled from medthodone and Suboxone, so I know withdrawls are like) hop down and sit cross cross with your spine straight up for as long as you can handle, the pain will get bad, but I’d rather be in pain all day then to be jumping out my skin.(meditate) and I promise you you will get sleep and relief when you hit your head on the pillow. the pain feels good on your mingmen where vitality and chi is made.

    1. That’s awesome if that method works for you. It is completely worthless and useless for myself and anyone I know that has “legitimate” pain. I’ve been through withdrawals off of every medication to ever exist. The worst has been with benzodiazepines and methadone. I can’t attest to the withdrawal symptoms that come from Suboxone because I have absolutely NO intention of stopping the ingestion of Suboxone. It’s the one and only pain medication that legitimately keeps my back pain at a tolerable enough level to go to work everyday. I’ve taken every prescription/non-prescription medication and/or drugs that have ever existed. If it weren’t for this alleged “opioid epidemic” (complete bulls**t designed to get as many people as possible hooked back on illegal street drugs so these douchebags can write more tickets and generate more revenue for their repeatedly failed war on drugs) that is no worse than it was decades ago….it finally started effecting people who are on the higher end of the financial spectrum….so they deem it an “epidemic”.

      1. Amen, brother. Same here. And… EXACTLY. No shame in having to take Suboxone or Subutex. I used to think I’d quit, but each time I did stop cold turkey, my life went to hell in a hand basket. I wouldn’t feel like working, get depressed, be so lethargic I was physically useless. And yes, the drug war is political propoganda to wage a social war against the lower working class and it’s disabled and/or chronically ill populace. Point blank, it is NOT the government’s business what we choose to ingest into our bodies: particularly “free,” of-age Americans. Anyway, Go Kratom! Big fan. Helps my breakyhrough pain, stress, anxiety, and energy/positivity/alertness.

  7. Hello,

    I’ve been taking Kratom for about 2 years. I’m a veteran that has PTSD and a lot of pain. I have to keep increasing my dosage. It doesn’t seem to be helping much for the PTSD now. I’m chest pain is starting to come back because of stress. I there another strain I can take? I tried a couple of other strains but the effects didn’t last long.

    1. Hi William, buy as many different strains as you can. Alternate like a madman. Always keep in mind that you will get pain relief from them all, but if you need energy and focus (like during the morning and afternoon)…
      take green or white .. (Green gives me good energy) , and take reds and/or yellow (combining red and yellow makes GOLD, which is awesome) in the evening (or when you want to relax and don’t need an energy boost) .

      Alternate strains/colors to a ridiculous extent and you will get a good experience every time.

      If you dont the feeling you want with your typical dose, take another teaspoonful once every 30-45 min until you DO get that feeling .

      Make note of the strains that just don’t get you where you want to be, so you’ll know to start with a higher dose or avoid that one altogether

      Hope this helped

      1. Hey I am brand new and take diludad and have intense debilitating pain. I just started last night. I take 4 mg of diliduad 4 times a day and I have to have migraine fiorcet med, and Gabepentine for nerve damage. I just tried it as a tea, did not work so I tried again with lemon juice and some hiot water, I threw up a little the taste was so bad. In the tea it was fine with honey but I found that others said put lemon juice on it 15 minutes for alkaloids and then hot water and chocolate milk or yogurt fur taste. Chocolate milk works. I am not getting the pain relief from my pain medication and I think I am either having an allergy or bad side effects so I was nervous to try higher dosage of Kratom too fast. I really need some help with someone that has big pain, can you help a sister out? I want to get out of this pain and and off the opiate train. I used to get great relief with my old doc, because he was an expert biochemist and pharmacologist and he was cancer doc so he knew about bad pain. I have 3 diseases causes intense pain and bad injuries. I was on fentanyl but can’t get the brand I need, and I also hate the sweating and that you can’t get heated in shower or even outside. . I don’t want to give up on Kratom but I needs some help with the dosage. I bought the powder. I also got kava kava cause I need to get restful sleep. I have not tried it yet. I have CBD oil, which helps some but not near enough on sleep. i need this “big pain” knocked out. I have become bed ridden the last few months and I have to get this Kratom thing down right before giving up. I do have more pain that moderate, mine is the devil, and when I read and researched Kratom I looked for people that had similar injuries and bad disease and pain like me. We just passed the marinol pill but who knows how long before I get to see the doc or clinic. They have dragged it out for years not getting the clinic and now I hear their is waiting list. I only took 2 teaspoons of powder last night. I figured people were using more. I git mine at kracken krwtom because of the American Kratom guaranteeing the product was safe. Wondered if I should have combined the yellow and red. I am not looking to get high, just relief. Last night and 1st did nothing. I did have some weird throat feeling which I get with opiates and I hate cause it feels very dry and kinda of choking like. I was so upset but hung in there, the 2nd time I did it like a YouTube video guy recommends. What I want to know is does it really work on people that have major pain? And how do you get the same amount to equal opiates you take? I can’t take OxyContin and I think that something in those drugs makes me feel hyper, and sick maybe the dyes and I break out like crazy. Don’t want to be hyper, just want relief. I was doing great until my doc does. Also does anyone know if it affects your gut, I have ulcerative colitis and don’t like opiates action slowing your gut down. And I have massive bladder pain from other disease. I want to be safe and get relief. Sorry I wrote so much, I am desperate. Thanks.

        1. Hi my name is Tami. Please contact me about Kratom. Please. I would really appreciate it. Thank you so much!
          I am in severe pain & take alot of oxycodone but cant do this anymore. Please contact asap if possible. I am an above the knee amputee

    2. Red bent or Bali. Even gold Bali. Most of the reds. I’m in the same boat about taking multiple doses a day. It really doesn’t last very long if you have a tolerance.. At least the peak effects don’t. I’d recommend mixing some together. Some green but majority red. Like AL said alternating works best as you become tolerant to particular alkaloids in each strain. You can potentiate it with orange juice (not grapefruit juice). Be careful with that tho. I’ve taken my usual and with the OJ it made me sick since it was much stronger. Just so you understand it’s not just you. I take 8-10 grams in the morning, maybe2-3 grams every 2 hours or so and then another 6 when I get home and probably another 8-10 grams at night. Not always though. Usually if I’m working I’m taking more but at least two bug doses in night/morning and some smaller throughout the day

      1. So j everyone else mostly says grapefruit juice what’s the diff w OJ and also lemon juice

    3. Please look into getting B vitamin injections! I am a clinical psychologist and most people in my field and in medicine do not know that stress that you have endured that is abnormal and extreme causes the body to become depleted in B-vitamins. I know it works because I had PTSD and still do to a degree. Although my PTSD is not from war the effects can be similar because its all a matter of ones own personal experience and how they handle their trauma. When I began taking B-vitamin shots everything changed! My anxiety was almost completely gone. My energy was fully back. My mind was clear again! Everything that had been bothering me was pretty much ALMOST gone, not completely, but drastically better. Most lab tests will show a person has adequeate levels of B-vtimans but not OPTIMAL! This might sound crazy but on Amazon you can buy vet made B-vtiamin vials for 14 dollars and if you read the reviewws, and there are a lot of them, many humans use them because they are the same thing and gone through the same manufacturing process as the ones for humans go through. I purchased some insulin needles online which are cheap and gave myself sub-conatnious injections every day and do not worry about overdosing because they are water soluable vitamins and its almost impossible to overdose because we just pee them out. I wish I could post the scientific journals that are discovering what I am writing you right now. Please look them up. PTSD and B-vitamin deficinecy study on google and you will find them. Or look up stress and B-vitamin defciency study on google and you will find so much info on this! I can almost guarantee that you ahve a B vitamin deficinecy and if you start taking them via injections you will see such an huge improvement! I promise you! And I hold two masters degrees in pscyhology from a prestigious univeristy so I am no dummy and I have expereinced the benefits of taking these injections first hand so its why I am so passionate about this. If theywere to give you vets these injections so many of you would improve is so many ways its unbelievable but instead you are given ativan traizadone and whole bunch of meds that do not fix the problem. B vitamins FIX the problem. Look up the vials on Amazon and go and buy your insulin needles for 20 bucks online and start giving yourself daily injections and I promise you that you won’t stop and you will be amazed how you feel! It will only cost you 50$ max and it will change your life. What do you have to lose?

      1. Brent I am curious how these different strains affect serotonin. I have had serotonin poisoning a couple of times and hell would be a picnic in paradise by comparison.
        I believe I saw you were a Psychologist in your post? So you would be familiar, with both serotonin uptake and Selexa/Citrolipram (sp? Sorry) which I already take 40mg of.
        I will have to take this dose for the rest of my life because any attempt to change it or add another drug targeting serotonin (I tried Champex for smoking and ended up in hospital).

        So, after rambling the long way around, do you think any of these strains would effect serotonin levels?

        1. Good old celexa. Getting off the last 10-15mg was a nightmare for me! I was on it for two years & the day I lost my gallbladder at the hospital, I forgot to take the celexa during my surgery & recovery days, & so two days after, I started having RLS, night sweats/cold sweats, and body convulsions (they were small ones). It lasted two weeks. The TRICK to getting past the “body’s addiction to serious habit forming meds,” (also, I helped get a cancer client off of Dilaudid, & two Fentanyl patches), is muscle relaxers, so your BODY can sleep, AND ONLY for the first week, EVERY OTHER DAY(if you can), 20mg of baclofen ( Drs approval of course), and then QUIT cold turkey, (do not get refills), AND THEN rest, do yoga, get exercise, do daily meditations (20mins each twice a day), this is to keep the body busy/distracted/to burn off any leftover anxiety from the body not getting it’s “fix of celexa,” (everytime you get triggered or your body starts to flip out, YOU MOVE: exercise, even if it’s ballslams, jumping jacks, jump rope, or burpees, just to calm the energy down, you have to move), So, if your asleep and you wake up from a panic attack, you GET UP & run in place, jump up & down, move your body…this will RETRAIN the brain, which helps the body stop whatever it’s doing. (and I’d also see/do phone sessions with a Behavioral Counselor to establish a NEW behavior for your body to be addicted to, something to break the old habit… something healthy of course.) Took me two weeks to stabilize from body convulsions.
          5 Years after that, other stuff came up and it turned into passive aggressive anger/buttloads more of anger. Did NOT want drugs after getting off them once already.
          I had actually managed to suppress the past by being a workaholic to avoid the person who was making my life hell.
          I had to do this on my own. Lots of research, lots of meditation, lots of being PATIENT with MYSELF. Lots of ballslams & punching bags…(to not get codependent on a therapist)….Just cause your off the meds/drugs doesn’t mean you fixed the real issue(s)….You will have to break yourself of old habits, old ideas, and old systems of belief, if you wish to fully get off/stay off the meds and feel better, long term.
          It won’t be easy (as you already know), you’re going to purge, you’re going to be emotional and you’re going to want to give up. But that’s why I advised a behavioral coach (counselor)…they can help keep you in check, give you things to do to change a behavior, or adjust it to tailor it to your needs or where you’re at in the process of letting go of the past. It’s a mental, emotional, physical journey… exhausting. But it will get calm and you won’t need to be on & off medicine your whole life. You have to declutter, unfriended people for real who are toxic to you emotionally. You have to widen your view of the life your in. If you can’t do all that while your in the environment that made you ill…then take respite and get AWAY from everyone & everything so you can focus on yourself without distraction….even float centers are great for that…take the time to do SELF-care. No it’s not selfish.
          Also….if you can’t do muscle relaxers (cause it’s easy to get addicted to drugs for their calming/knock out effects, which just puts a bandaid on things), then try blue lotus tea leafs or any calming teas as you work through your issues. Again, your body is going to flip out, you will feel loss of control of it and will think you need the ER, but it’s just the body having a tantrum….of course if it’s like life threatening then absolutely see a doctor/go to ER….BUT I can tell you, there really is no cure for all that makes you ill, Except for the TIME & DEDICATION you put into YOU changing your lifestyle, your eating habits, your sleep schedule, & your routine. It’s not an overnight deal or after a couple of weeks deal, it is an every single day of your life deal, till you have no doubts, no one pushing their agendas down your throat causing drama, it’ll take you listening to your GUT for a change, to deal with anything you experience.
          And as I always say….”If doubt arises, take your emotions out of the picture,”….. you’ll be surprised how much clarity you get when you do. Hope this helps you.

        2. Hi Brent! I agree B vitamins are worth a try. I couldn’t find anything on amazon, would you mind sharing the link?

          All the best,


      2. Maeng Da is great for everyday use in my opinion. Of course it’s probably better to cycle through a few different strains if you consume daily. Always a good go to strain.

      3. Wow, do NOT listen to Brent’s advice. It is NEVER safe to self-administer yourself with needles. DO NOT do your own injections. Go to a medical professional.

        1. Omg, really ? Who do you think manages insulin administration ? Diabetics, and daily. MS patients and Interferon injections ? MS victims ! Your argument is worthless, especially when referring to “sub-cutaneous” injections. Jeez !

      4. Brent, I tried B-12 injections at a local hydration place with little effect. When I tried methylated B-12 sublingual tablets my blood levels were still good but I felt better.

        I’m just trying these kratom leaves for fatigue and cervical neck pain and so far the maeng da has been good, but I’d like to know if there is really any difference besides the main ingredient percentage?

      5. Your exactly right. I’ve been taking “B-Vitamin Complex” vitamin supplements for about 6 months now as well as 3-5,000 Mcg’s of B-12 “Methylcobalamin” daily. It’s very important you make sure your getting actual “Methylcobalamin B-12” and not the usual crap in your standard cheap types of B-Vitamin Supplements. Also taking L-Tyrosine along with Acetyl L-Carnitine and a good source of “Choline”. The best, most absorbable form is “Citicoline”, the next best absorbable form is “Alpha GPC”. Also taking L-Theanine is a great muscle relaxer. These are just a few things you can get legally….nothing you can get legally can or ever will compare with anything that requires a prescription or that you can get from a friend or on the street. Trust me. I’m giving you the facts based on real life experience. Believe what you choose, but what Ivetokd you is 100% accurate.

    4. More i read about kratom and more confused I’m, sorry! I have back pain and that’s way i was introduced to pain medications( oxycodone) ! Excuse my ignorance, but i didn’t know about ” legal prescriptions medications”! I didn’t know meds can cause withdrawal like street drugs ( and i don’t want to discriminate withdrawals” because they all are painful). I was introduced to pain medications from my doctor and i got cut off from suddenly without a support for the withdraw, like suboxone. Honestly i don’t trust doctors anymore, i don’t think our pains or our withdrawal is what matter to them!!! Anyways now I’m still dealing with my back pain and withdraw and i also have anxiety depression and sleeping problems!😔 i tried the kratom but it didn’t help a lot with any of my problems and I’m new to cbd oil and i still can’t find any progress with my issues! I’m not trying to discourage others i actually need help and suggestions myself! I keep reading about kratom and cbd oil and all i find is a confusion of informations! Pls can anyone be honest and suggest me helpful directions! Sorry for my english . ty

      1. Hey Maria. I hear ya, my struggle w illicit drugs started out w a prescription for pain meds. Never questioned it as percosets don’t have the stigma about them that, say heroin does. Anyways, if you’re wanting to use CBD for your anxiety and to help you sleep, you gotta make sure you’re getting legit stuff. Headshops and gas stations sell stuff that says CBD but most of the time it’s trash. Look for a “full spectrum” CBD next time you’re buying and you should have better results. In regards to the Kratom not helping w pain or even relieving your withdrawal synptoms…sounds like you either didn’t take enough or the Kratom you bought was no good. I have been using a brand called remarkable herbs, and it works for me. It’s also important that you manage your expectations. Kratom is going to bind to your opioid receptors in your brain which will in fact relieve WD and help w pain, buuuut it’s not going to compare to Roxy or H. Hope this helps!

  8. Been there, done it (above) all! Crazy how the majority of us have the same story! Weened myself of Of Oxi’s & have been on A Kratom daily dosage & Its A life saver! My husband is an ER Dr. & is skeptical on Kratom because it is not FDA approved but he has been w/ me through my 12 years of chronic back pain & Is supportive because Kratom is the only thing that curbs the pain & keeps me from constantly whining about how bad it hurts. Only thing is if we find a diagnosis for my back pain & figure out a permanent way to cure the problem & make pain go away I’m going to hv to ween myself off of the Kratom as well. Sometimes when I wake up and don’t take my red kratom the night before I go to bed, I can feel my body going through withdrawls the next morning, they are the same withdrawls you go through weaning off of opiates. However looking forward to that day that we do figure it out and I am dependent on nothing at all. Grateful for what Kratom has done for me the last three years, don’t know what I will do if they ban this product. #KratomBeliever

    1. Hi Shannon,
      I have read your story and would like to ask you something. I’m praying that you will receive my message and hopefully reply back. I too am looking for a NATURAL alternative to ween myself off of opiates. I’ve been taking 10/325 (3 a day, sometimes 4, depending on the severity of the pain, or what I did that day)pills for a LONG time now for CHRONIC pain. Rheumatoid arthritis, knee pain and lower back pain. I feel like I am 90 yrs old! my body HURTS so bad! Unfortunately I don’t have medical ins. and have been purchasing the pain pills from a friend of mine, which has become VERY expensive! But I cannot function through a regular day without pain medication. NOT because I’m HOOKED on them, but because of the pain. My attitude is horrible at times because of it. And I’m tired of people constantly asking me what’s wrong. I have purchased “Kratom Maengda Premium,” in hopes, that it would help and it did seem like it worked the very 1st time and I only took 3 pills; however, it didn’t last long (hrs). I then increased it to 6 pills, but it made me nauseous and now I feel that its not working at all! Can you PLEASE tell me what your regime was/is EXACTLY and which one(s) are you taking. I REALLY need help with withdrawals. Maybe you can ask your husband too? Can you please email me your response also ([email protected]).

      1. I am a long time opiate pain medication user that got cut off when switched to Kaiser Permanente. Your opiate tolerance is pretty low, but you do need something stronger than non-opiate addicts. You are DEFINITELY physically dependent on opiates If you’ve taken them daily for even just 30 days, let alone 8yrs like me. The problem with regular kratom powder is there are like 26 alkaloids at work, and only 2 of them are opiates. 7HMG is like 14 times more potent than morphine, but it’s like 0.45% of the alkaloids in kratom, and the total alkaloid content of kratom is only like 4% of the total weight. You see, your body can only tolerate so much of all 26 alkaloids a day, so at a certain daily amount it only makes you feel worse (nauseous). However, your body needs a lot of mitragynine and 7HMG. I was unable to avoid opiate withdrawal using just kratom powder. What you gotta do is get some “black diamond” 50x or 60x extract. By weight, this extract is supposed to have 60 times the mitragynine and 7HMG as kratom powder, but without any of the other alkaloids. The stuff is not cheap- like $65/oz. And only 2 companies sell it. You can’t import kratom extracts anymore, so any company sell extracts has to make it themselves. The black diamond extract is by far the best method – it ends up with sparkly alkaloid crystals it’s so concentrated. It looks kinda like glitter. Austin Organic Village has the 60x, and they are the ONLY company to sell a red kratom 60x extract called “Ruby Red’. Its way more potent than the black diamond or green emerald. Try taking 0.5g -1g of ruby red with like 2-3g of regular red bali or red maeng da kratom. This way you get the amount of opiate alkaloids you need (mitragynine and 7HMG) as well as the full effect of the other alkaloids at a low enough dose that they feel good and don’t make you nauseous. Trust me, I had a fentanyl level tolerance and this worked for me. I mean I can take 2-4g of ruby red per dose, but you can take as much 60x extract as you want without any worry of nausea. Hope this helped .

        1. You are obviously knowledgeable about this and I am preparing to embark on a regimen of maengda. I’ve suffered many years since MD refuse to fill anymore pain meds. The past 8 years acetomenophin is my only pain meds lol. 18 yrs of Dilaudid, then 9 yrs of Oxycotin, 33 yrs alprazolam now nothing. I’m close to immobile. Post op from two back surgeries, total knee, steroid injections, etc. Found Kratom by accident and getting ready to start today or tomorrow. What is the black diamond you refered to? And the effects of Kratom physiologically. Thanks much

        2. Jim please get ahold of me.
          I take 30 mg 6 times a day of oxycodone immediate-release I need help on trying to come off of these I have excruciating pain pain that sometimes makes me want to not wake up I need help! I am an above-the-knee leg amputee my leg feels like it’s anywhere from freezing 2 I have shooting lightning bolts going up my leg that isn’t even there. what and how should I use this kratom I’m a new user to it and I have the maeng da

      2. THE most important thing to remember about kratom is not all vendors sell the same quality kratom. And, even if you did get a good batch from a quality vendor, the next order you get could be complete junk.
        Look at a company’s reviews on the specific strains they sell. Some vendors are known for selling certain strains that are much better than other vendors.
        Last thing: don’t take too much. I assume each pill was .5 grams. Instead of doubling your dose, try going up .5mg’s every 45 minutes until you reach a theraputic dose.
        Getting sick from kratom sounds like you took too much.
        Give Super Green Malay a shot for pain during the day.
        It lasts a long time, offers very good painkilling effects, and is stimulating enough to offer motivation.
        The SECOND MOST IMPORTANT THING to remember when taking kratom is to constantly change strains, so you do not become tolerant to a specific type. And, if you want to stop kratom, either mix it up in a water bottle and nurse it throughout the day, or step down from a red strain, to a green strain, then a white strain. You can walk off a stimulating white strain much easier than from a strain that offers good painkilling effects.

        1. I have a question if you are still reading thees comments. Or maybe some other users can help me.
          Stephn De Marco mention Super Green Malay for pain relive – killing . \my main problem is the hip pain . I am now using green Ming Da . But in bigger dose 10 to 15 grams it make me sleepy .
          Does Super Green Malay make you sleepy in bigger dose . That is my main concern.

        2. I have a question if you are still reading thees comments. Or maybe some other users can help me.
          Stephn De Marco mention Super Green Malay for pain relive – killing . My main problem is the hip pain . I am now using green Ming Da . But in bigger dose 10 to 15 grams it make me sleepy .
          Does Super Green Malay make you sleepy in bigger dose . That is my main concern.

  9. I have had three surgeries in the past 7 years (Back/Knee/Shoulder). All big surgeries. The pain doc started me out at 5/325 Norcos at 1-2 a day, eventually, after 9 years it led to Percocet (oxyc) 10/325 up to 10 pills a day. When that started wearing off, I went to 12 pills a day. Then the doc discussed the Fentanyl patch. I was like, NO WAY. What happens when that wears off doc? Exactly.
    It came time to where I couldn’t live this vicious cycle anymore. So over two weeks I found myself just completely tapped out. I have tried Blocks in the back, epidurals, over 60 sessions at the physical therapists. Ice and tenz unit every night before bed WITH a Soma AND Ambien 10mg WITH the pain meds. I was a complete mess. So, what did I do? I was a complete idiot and tried to wean off myself. By the second day, I went to urgent care. After a long discussion with this new doctor (as he’s reviewing my med history)…
    He laid it out for me. He said, YOU NEED TO GET HELP and I want you to go to detox for a week. So, I did it. I entered detox the next day. They put me on Subutex along with about a million other meds (made me a zombie at first) but I trusted the process. Started out with high doses and by the 7th day, I was on none.
    I have to tell you all right now, GO TO DETOX. Get your body and mind straight FIRST. Trust me, When I came out I felt like I haven’t felt in 9 years. I felt new. I felt good. BUT my pain was still there. So, I asked about Kratom. I was pointed to kratom maeng da red. I started taking it the day after I got out. This is no joke, I have not even thought about taking a pain med. This stuff has seemed to help with the pain and head clarity So far, so good. I first tried the pill form, but since I am 6’2 and 205 pounds and the dosages I used to take I switched to the tea version. I use a spoon full and make a hot tea out of it in a good size mug. And it just works great. Anyone else have these results?

  10. I have been on oxycontin for awhile now and have been wanting to get off but withdrawals suck. Does anyone have any help that can help me feel the effect like an opiate but not resort to suboxone.

    1. Andy, read my story above. I pray it helps you man. You will find peace. It’s just a process and some time.

    2. Hi Andee,
      For me the red strain helps best when kicking. I found mixing white with it took care of the sedation. Sometimes I throw green in but you must understand, I dont get the same feeling from Kratom as opiates, for me theres no high feeling thank God, I just feel at peace as if I took opiate without being goofy in the head. Kratom saved me. Good Luck. Sharon

    3. Hi,..
      I have the same problem,I am withdrawing from oxycotin and Percocet,I can’t stand withdrawals and the only reason I took it.
      I have just started Maeng Da Kratom,and I swear by it…
      Everyone with addictions and pain,Need to not walk run and Get Kratom..I haven’t felt so good in year’s!
      My Uncle was addicted to opioids and Before that heroine..He has been clean for 5 year’s..On Kratom for that entire time.He told me about it..

      I was so sure it wouldn’t help! I was wrong…
      And the people are there to need to be honest with them, they will point you in the right direction! I wish you well!
      God Bless

  11. I was taking Kraton and I was feeling great , but i couldn’t understand why they was selling it in smoke shops. Well today I read that it contains high levels of lead and nickel ( Lucky I only been taking it for two days) please go to your doctors ASAP. Let them know that you need to be tested for lead, and nickel. The state of Ohio is trying to band Kraton. Because 15 people since 2016 has had Kraton in their system and it’s listed on their death certificate. I’m really disappointed because it was working but all things good have a side effect but death shouldn’t be one of them.

    1. This is ludicrous! I’ve gotten off of Suboxone with Kratom. I’m VERY much a health nut now. I’ve not seen any VALID research the backs your claim and trust me I’ve studied lots. Anything that comes from the CDC or the government isn’t credible to me. Check the REAL facts, please. Just Google it and scroll down a bit past all the lies and you’ll find the truth. It’s a wonder plant. It’s completely changed mine and my wife’s lives for the better. Not trying to be crass. Please forgive if my tone is off. Be blessed!

      1. I’m having issues getting off of pain meds myself. Which kratom did you take to help?

        1. Andee, after researching which strain is best to switch from opiates to kratom I found red bali works the best. That’s what was recommended from several credible sources so I tried it and it worked excellently. You can avoid opiate withdrawal within a week in my experience. I’m also interested in the suggestion above to mix red and yellow kratom to make a gold mixture. I’ve had pain relief and relaxing drinks with a gold mix that do the job. So alternating and working to see what works for you are worth it. Plus you can change it up for whatever help you’re looking for that day. That’s what’s so nice about kratom, you have so many choices available. Hope this helped, take care.

    2. Please no disinformation.. There is no fucking lead and nickel in Kratom. Do you think lead and nickel are found in tree leaves?? NOPE, and Kratom is crushed tree leaves. PERIOD

    3. Hi Rachell,
      You need to order organic kratom . Smoke shops have kratom thats cut every which way. Please dont get caught up in negative crap lies. Used properly Kratom helps with all kinds of medical and physical problems. Please read up more. Your information sources aren’t given you accurate information.Sharon

  12. Wondering what the starting dosage is for the Maeng da ? Just ordered some for pain relief. (5 level lumbar fusion). Currently piggy backing acetaminophen and ibuprofen every 4 hours. No opiates at all, never take them. Just tired of taking so many pills every day and dont want to resort to marijuana (yet). I’m willing to try this but am concerned just how much to start off with. I’m 160 pounds and 5’7. I was thinking half a gram? Wait an hour or two and see what happens? I’m totally new to this and only just discovered it. Hopefully it will help. Just tired of the chronic pain and tired of going to the ER for a shot of Toradol when the pain gets too bad. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you!! :o)

    1. I’ve been taking kratom for about 3 months now, I especially like the maeng da kratom. I’d say take 2-3 teaspoons(2-3 grams) starting out. I take 1 tablespoon(about 4 grams) 3-4 times a day. Start small, and see what works for you. You can get sick if you take too much and it’s awful! Drink with coffee and plenty of creamer, don’t take on an empty stomach. You can parachute it, I hear there’s pills you can buy but I just buy the powder.

      1. Thanks so much. I’ll start with 2 grams. I’ll have to Google what “parachuteing” means. I’m 43 and already behind in the times when it comes to lingo. Lol. Thanks again and I’m glad it works for you. Coffee and creamer it will be for me I suppose. Cant go wrong with coffee! Glad it helps you. Chronic pain is no fun. And I imagine withdrawal from opiates isnt either. Ugh. I appreciate your reply. More than you know. Thanks again Brandon!!

        1. A teaspoon is 5 grams. A tablespoon is 15 grams. Most kratom in pill form is one gram per pill, but check the label. Just FYI.

          1. So wrong. First off, 1 teaspoon is 2-3 grams depending on your scoop. That would make 1 tablespoon 6-9 grams. Most capsules I have come across are the same size and 8 capsules is 1 teaspoon.

    2. Hi Bobby,
      I started taking Maeng Da for pain relief last year and found it to be very effective. Like you, I was alternating Tylenol Advil and prescription Alieve. Tired of taking so many OTC’s and not willing to take opioids I took a chance and tried this. I don’t use marijuana as I haven’t found a strain that takes pain away without psychoactive effects (feeling high). maeng da kratom helped take the edge off the pain along with providing a “clarity” to my brain function. When you deal with chronic pain your brain gets so tired, and this was an unexpected bonus.. clear bright mind without jitters or a stimulant feeling. I took 4 capsules (.75grams each) in the morning, that’s a total of 3.0 grams daily. Started with 2 capsules to see how I felt, but 4 seemed to do the trick, I didn’t take it in the afternoon/evening as I was worried it may keep me “up” .. I suffer from insomnia.
      I stopped taking kratom early this year after I was diagnosed with breast cancer and started chemotherapy.. not enough studies to show if it would interact with my treatments, so I am waiting to get past this phase of my treatment and look forward to putting Kratom back into my regime after breast surgery etc…
      All this to say, I think you should try it!! Start small and work up.. be careful to look at the source of the product and the dosage per capsule.
      I hope this helps!!

      1. Thank you so much!! I hope hope HOPE you get through this treatment and live a long and happy, stress free life. Filled with nothing but happiness and love. I appreciate your reply more than you know.

    3. i been taking kratom Meang Da White Vein over 5 yrs i have broken my back in half from a car wreak and as well as Cancer both lungs known as the black lungs i have Chronic Pain as well im grateful for this kratom i start off with a teaspoon when i get up i take the powder i chase it with water or juice depends on how active i am that day when ever i start to fill pain bam i take a teaspoon im 58yrs old been on pain pills more then half my life the kratom is AWESOME no addictions no withdrawls START WITH A TEASPOON AND BE YOUR OWE MANAGER ON HOW MUCH TO TAKE hope this message help have a bless day

    4. Don’t know, but I am willing to give it a try. I have a failed back fusion, fused from L3 to Sacrum with 3 disk replaced with pucks. With anything new make sure you start slow and see what works for you. Stay away from Ibuprofen and acetaminophen, these are pushed heavily but have severe side effects over time. My best advice is to learn to ignore the pain taking the least of anything you can. Exercise, a glass of wine, and some good love making can release your natural endorphins and not only help with pain but increase your activity, wellbeing, and improve your relationships with your loved ones. Yes their are plants on earth that can come to our aid, but to be used in natural form and not abused.

    5. I’ve been taking Kratom for opiate withdrawal and I take 6 capsules once or twice a day.. no harmful side effects experienced.. one capsule is about the size of an 800 mg ibuprofen by the way. I take the white maeng da strain but I’m sure the others work as well

      1. Kratom is a game changer in the opiote addiction I’ve been addicted to opioids so long 13 yrs and I spent 2 yr inside prison also I was a member of the methodone clinic for 2 yrs doing anykind of drug to stay out of pain and bet the withdrawals witch everyone who is anyone knows u can beat them. I started taking kratom a yr ago and also have a hurniated disc in my lower back so I’m no stranger to pain iam so impressed with kratom I don’t take anything else please try !!! It will change your life !!

        1. Alana what strain and brand do u use. My friend is coming off tramadol and I need to get kratom today. Please tell me which one for withdrawls. Thank you so much and good luck to you.

          1. Chris, get your friend Maeng Da, it’s a miracle for withdrawals! I’d have them so bad my legs would jump, every muscle in my body would crawl. Not to mention all the other effects. I’ve had no withdrawal symptoms since taking Kratom.

        2. So it really does work

    6. It takes 5 grams to feel the effects

    7. Hi Bobby,
      I take Maeng Da, started out with 1 1/2 to 2 grams each time, on an empty stomach. It never bothered me and works faster that way, guess it depends on the person. I load mine into capsules, got 1000 on Amazon for like $12! It’s been a life saver for me, chronic back pain plus an old foot bone injury that hurts when the hell it wants; ) I took opioids for years, I’ve had no withdrawal symptoms since taking the Kratom. I buy it up in large amounts to make sure I don’t run out. I feel better than I have in years, actually have energy but it doesn’t make me jittery. This is the best stuff ever.

  13. Has anyone tried this to come off of suboxone? I’m currently on less than 2mg a day, from 16mg 2 years ago…I have mixed kratom.and sub the last 2 days and it seems to make me feel a bit better and sub down..this morning I haven’t taken any sub yet. Took 2 green Malay, 1 red Bali and I feel pretty decent. Any advice or any stories of your own experience would be so incredibly appreciated. I’m so ready to put opiates behind me. Thanks so much for any help!

    1. Yes I am coming off of my subutex and it really does help me. It isn’t like your classic opiate , for me personally it mimics the benefits of Bupenorphine or however you spell it

      1. Awesome! I’m on day 4 with no sub and so far I dont feel awful. My last dose was sat night/sun am at around midnight and it was a half of an 1/8 of a strip. I’ve actually gotten sleep every night… I cant believe it! I’ve been using green Malay and red Bali, but a friend said I should seriously consider maeng da… any advice you have of what strains of combos work best for you?! Thanks for the help and good luck on your journey as well!

        1. Maeng da is one of the best ones in my opinion. I have tried many strains but nothing works as good as this strain. I have to take 4 capsules & then 4 more an hour later but my tolerance is high. I have been on & off opioids for 7 years & this has saved me. Red vein bali made me sleepy & the green Malay didn’t do anything. The white maeng da is good for energy but not pain. Good luck!

          1. I rotate between white maeng da and the red maeng da to avoid building a tolerance. I have several back diseases including arthritis which is pretty much my whole body. Both the red and the white have helped with the pain and give me energy. I messed up and used something called trainwreck a few weeks ago. This stuff was awful. I didn’t want to do anything, but lay around. My dosage is usually 5 grams around 6:30 every morning. I use the powder now and it seems to kick in in about 10 to 15 minutes. The results last me about 5 to 6 hours. I love this stuff and recommend it to everyone who is in chronic pain.

      2. Iv quit my suboxone film 8mg 2 times a day. This is my second day with out it and my withdrawals are really getting to me. Iv decided to purchase some kratom maeng da they are 32.5 Grams a capsule I took 1 about 11:40 this morning it helped for about an hour and once it wore off my head started to hurt really badly and my withdrawals came back. It’s now 6:00 PM and I just to 2 capsules. I’m praying this works I have work tomorrow and iv got to get through this prayers and advice would help me so much. Thank you all

        1. Hello Sevrah I quit my suboxone 2mg a day last week. It was very difficult even with the Green Thai Kratom I was using. I was taking 1 tablespoon of kratom every 4 hours for nearly 5 days. I have been on suboxone for 12 years. Coming off suboxone was one of the most hardest things I have ever done. I hope your attempt works but if it doesn’t dont get discouraged because you can take very small amounts of suboxone and get your tolerance down like I did. Then you can make another attempt with Kratom and get better results. I hope this information helps stay STONG

        2. Man, good luck, I just walked sweating and nauseous to get some, I’m tired of the opioids in my life!! But I can’t miss any work being sick, nor a POS at work! So good luck man….I’m really rooting for you!

    2. Kratom has helped me taper and eventually stop my meds (Xanax, gabapenten, and my ER transfix) I’ve been a pill addict for decades and let me tell you, Kratom saved me in a way. Just remember, only a certain percent of The alkaloids go to the brain, take only a little, because to much will make you vomit and can get you very sick for a short period of time, but small doses are the way to go. GOOD LUCK!!

      1. Hi I am also in benzo withdrawals. I stupidly decided to stop taking my prescription after 8 years of taking it and I am in hell. I just bought a bottle of kratom. I am hoping it will help me as it did you. My anxiety is unbearable it seems to help so far. 4 pills when I wake, repeat afternoon and around 4pm again. I am not sure if it will intensify my insomnia in the evening? I took the red bali and I experienced headaches and was irritable when it wore off so I am tring Mang Da

    3. In the process right now. 10 years of heavy opiate use 2 years on subs. I started kratom a week ago after tapering subs (Only tapered like 3 days at half sub dose). If full blown WD’s are say a level 10 WD’s with Kratom never got above 5. Most of the negative effects were the ones you can control with OTC meds.

    4. My Girlfriend was on that medication and I told her to just take this and it’s works better then the suboxone. The way I see it is, natural and not as harsh on your kidneys as long as you drink a lot of water. She’s a heavy set woman, so she has to take 8grms to make it work. The opioids in this plant, can’t be addictive; so be Carefull.

      1. No opioids in Kratom.

    5. Yes, Kratom absolutely helps with coming off Suboxone. I couldn’t have done it without kratom. Suboxone is awful. Ide much rather with drawl from heroin. In fact, I had to use heroin to get off suboxone the first time I did it. Then used Kratom to get off the heroin. The 2nd time, I just used Kratom to get off the Subs. Now I just use Kratom occasionally when I get the PAWS.

    6. Worried reading pros and cons.coming off Heroin smoker for 1 year.Everyone encouraging subs!!but don’t want to start down that path.Some say kratom will do nothing so scared of starting. Out of heroin!!Bought Red Mang Da.Smoked last little bit of Heroin 5 hours ago so….??
      Guess will TRY THIS SOON, PRAY PEOPLE R BEING HONEST!🙏Guess 1-3 tsp.(guess grams equal to)in juice or water. know powder is nasty does NOT mix up!!!!GROSS!!
      Just praying nothing real noticeable for next few hours!?🙏just want to get through the next worst 5-7 day HEROIN W/D’s!!PLEASE PRAY this is the ANSWER!!and DONT NEED THOSE SUBS-FEW THAT I HAVE(never taken).IF ONLY🙏 NEVER TOUCHING OPIODS AGAIN EVER!!want my life back!!

      1. I was taking oxycodone for 7 years. Tried to wean off it several times but the withdrawals were unbearable. Started taking white Maeng Da kratom 5 months ago and I have not had a pill since that day! It really works! Plus I have energy and it elevates my mood. I mix it into a glass of water. Take it on an empty stomach. Try 2 grams (tsp) to start. Wait 30 minutes. If you don’t feel anything take another gram and wait another 30 minutes. Take another gram if needed until you find your perfect dose. Effects should last 3-6 hours. Good luck! It has saved my life!

      2. Try red and white Borneo for pain, mood and red Thai is also good. Look up different strains and see the effects that you may want. Red Borneo helps my pain and mood and sleep. Good luck Sara . I quit years of oxycodone from Dr. Put me on 8 mg Subutex . Hated it and I passed out and quit breathing and my 16 yr old cat brought me out of it, hitting my face and crying loudly. Went to Kratom and no withdrawells after 10 yrs on oxycodone . Found out I don’t have the gene that processes pain pills and others so was only getting 1/4 of 15mg oxy’s. Maeng da can be mixed red and green work well for pain.

      3. If you can avoid having to take the subs, please do. I have had so many friends who started using them to get off of opiods and found out that they were just as addictive and much harder to get off of. I will be praying for you 🙏

      4. I’m in a similar boat, started a 3 month IV Heroin habit back, not even sure why. And I went and bought some premier recommended red Bali from a boutique kratom store where I live, but a head shop. Blessed to have access to such a store first off. But I’m scared to just take the kratom and nothing more. I’m sitting here fighting doing a cotton shot just cause. I just took two teaspoons ( that clear plastic sooon they give you with your cup of powder kratom ) not sure but I think that’s 5 grams worth? Wish I understood the measuring system a little better. But I wanted to write this to you, even though I don’t know you, you are not alone. My habit may not have been for very long but there’s still the intense fear of the hell if H withdrawal. I have fought opiates on and off for 14 years. I keep telling myself I need to give myself a chance, I’ll be honest I was taking 4 OPMS capsules from a head shop for a good year before I got back on the H. And I started taking those outa shear curiosity. I had been clean clean off of everything for a good 6 months before taking the kratom opms ( purple leaf logo ) and I think I just bought a two pack and pooped em because that’s what we do as addicts or at least I do. I try and use or find that one manageable drug. Sigh

    7. Do it kratom is a game changer

  14. I take two caps for full blown anxiety attacks – works like a charm.

    1. What strain do u use? I have anxiety so bad and have for yrs. but PANIC ATTACKS are always peering around the corner. I’m 48 yrs. old and 275 Ibs. Male. What strains should try what dose. I’m also on Subs one strip a day. Was in a car accident that left me paralyzed on the R side I have Server nerve damage from the 5 surgery’s I had. Please any help will help

  15. hello all. I am a recovering opitae addict still using heroin and fentanyl. I had read that kratom effects the opiate receptors in the brain, and in some cases has actually been effective enough to get people off of opiates. at the very least, I am hoping to get relief from withdrawal, which I believe I read the maeng da to be the best in that capacity. unfortunately everything I read on the internet says something different in regards to the effects of the different strains. all I know for certain is that kratom is the only known plant aside from opium poppies to act on the opiate receptors. I just need some direction to go in, as I would like to soothe withdrawal discomfort as well as some euphoria and stimulation. Thank you to anyone for reading this, and any comments will be appreciated (yes even the comments bashing my addiction :). Thank you again. Positive Energy Activates Constant Elevation.

    1. I normally don’t reply to these, just read and move on but I felt you could benefit from my reply. I have been using opioids on and off for the last 4 years. First recreationally, then was in an accident that had me taking them for a long time. I have tried weaning off with no luck and then go on binges. Today after about 24 hours of not taking anything and the onset of withdrawal I remembered kratom… I went and bought the strain mentioned. I took about half gram in the car as soon as I got it. Literally poured it into my mouth and used water to swish it around. I sat there for about ten mins and the cloudiness in my head and vision went away… I felt happier, more energetic (not in caffeine way but opioid energy). About 20 minutes ago I actually mixed about 6 grams(3 teaspoons with water) again taste HORRIBLE but here I am 20 minutes later and I feel slightly euphoric, headache gone, body feels good. This is just wild. Absolutely recommend.

    2. @downtownhumanoid. I also meant to say on my last reply; the fact you’re an addict who is able to admit that and are genuinely seeking help and advice, looking for alternatives, and researching is a wonderful thing that no one should bash. You have done what most people won’t do and that’s admit you have a problem. Whether it’s to a room of family, or an anonymous poster in a forum, you’re admitting it. Even small steps forward is in the right direction. You got this

    3. Two years 40 a day. Previously 2-3 30’s a day.
      I quit. Went through three days of misery, small piece of suboxin on day 3, one big spoonful of Maeng, leg cramp pills. (4), day four better, day 5-6-7 roller coaster of betterness! Three weeks later Im motivated as f… working 12 hour days. Over it, so happy!!! Life is so awesome without that bull…. you can do it. Every othrr day i still do a spoonfull of maeng. Good stuff. Good luck!
      3days!!!!!! Thats it! Then its smooth sailing

      1. Maeng work for you? Are u still taking it? Been on perk 15 @5 plus a day. Tried the red Bali it’s ok but not real sure on how much to take. Gonna go buy the stuff you are taking, hows it going so far for you? Any suggestions would be great. I had 3 major surgeries in 2 and half years 2 back and hip, also attached by neighbors dog 4 weeks post OP for hip. So yeah chronic pain as ll the time but the pills run my life

    4. I used it for Fentanyl patch withdrawals and it takes about 70% of the withdrawals away! It truly helps. I took a teaspoon to start with
      Good luck I sorry you have to go thru this

    5. I used heroin, meth, fentanyl and if you want something to ease the WD I would highly recommend taking kratom. Just make sure you come off of is over time not all at once. coming of of both of those drugs can kill you just be careful. I wish you all the best.YOU CAN DO IT!

    6. I was on a pain Management program and went to my appointment to find the facility shut down. I didn’t even know what withdrawal was at that time. My friend introduced me to kratom and it took my pain and withdrawals away. I was buying blue magic maeng da for it’s pain releiving properties as well as mood enhancer. I normally bought a 30gram bag for $10. I was taking 4-6 grams twice a day.

    7. Please try your very best to quit the opiates!! I lost my best friend and love of my life 3.5 years ago to a fentanyl overdose…keep up the research and QUIT! ❤️

      1. You can. Do this from a. angel mom

    8. I feel your struggle, and you must get to a headshot ASAP, I list a life long friend to black heroine and I wish 3years ago I would have known about Kratom, because it actually works, helped me stop and I think I KNOW it will help you too!!

    9. Yes, maeng da will help your withdrawals . I’ve successfully used to WD from heroin and Suboxone

    10. Addiction sucks but kratom should help ease the withdrawls. Prayers buddy

  16. I know exactly what you’re going through, and I know it’s not easy but it is necessary. anything worthwhile takes effort and hard work. The withdrawals and sweats are terrible but after about 5-7 days it’s all over except for the mental changes. At least the physical is NO longer painful. I tried many d’s 30mg capsules and it’s a good pain reliever for all them aches. I try 2 or 3 at a time and it’s very helpful for all those aches

  17. I need any advice. My 18 yr old daughter just finally came clean about what shes been doing. She was first taking xanax, then went to something otc called “triple C’s” which apparently she almost died on. To get off of those, she started taking percocet, but it quickly escalated to smoking percocet. She is refusing to go in to rehab, but wants to stop. She is going through incredibly painful withdrawals. I have a friend who suggested Kratom. I went to the local head shop, bought Klarity Kratom capsules, 750mg. If anyone could help with dosage and any recommendations at all, I would really appreciate. Its killing me watch her in so much pain, and i haven’t slept in days for fear that she will take off to get more pills in the middle of the night.

    1. Any Maeng da would do green in the day red at night. And try kratom extract chewables. Start with 2 gs and go every four to six hours. Do it in teas don’t toss n wash

    2. 5-7 grams of Kratom will take the edge off while withdrawing. If you have half gram capsules that would be anywhere between 10-14 capsules every couple of hours.. kicked opiates not too long ago and Kratom worked for me. Good luck to you guys.. hopefully she sticks to it.. the painful part of the withdrawals last 4-5 days.. also get her immodium AD for the diarrhea.

    3. I’m 23 I went through the same thing. I just smoke bud now but instead of doing those things I heard about kratom. I enjoy the maenga da and the white strains. I usually take 8-13 capsules that are size 000 and 500mg each capsule. Your tolerance can build up fast but you can switch up strains to avoid that. There is a too much point. Throwing kratom up is gross. You should start her on 4-6 depending on her tolerance.. if she doesn’t feel it within 30mins to a hour, sometimes longer, then get her to take a couple more

    4. Have her try 6 capsules at a time every 5 hours or whenever she starts to feel withdrawals again. After a couple of days try 5 capsules, then 4, then 3 etc. you may decide it is beneficial to continue taking the Kratom for a while before you taper down while a treatment plan is established and she develops some healthy coping mechanisms. Kratom was a life saver for me and enabled me to come off percocets, adderall, etc. I still take Kratom but not nearly as much as I did when going through WDs. Best of luck and let me know if you have other questions.

    5. If the capsules are about 750mg and she has no tolerance to Kratom already 4 capsules should be a good start she may not feel it the first couple times if she does not then continue to up the dosage every day until the effects are felt if she has taken too much a fatal overdose is extremely hard to achieve she may get nauseous and vomit and if she has taken too little she will feel nothing the effects are very subtle but enough like opioids to ease some of the withdraws

    6. start her at 2-5g per dose, i was/still addicted to morphine, percs, opiates… i take a about 3gs as soon as i wake up. usually want to puke up the pills(take with a flavorful juice). hop in the shower and start getting the kratom burps. by the time im done with my shower the slow moving, aches and pains all start to dissapate. drink lots of water, and be weary of headaches at first. ibuprofen helps as well, and immodium ad(get the generic ones from dg that are tiny) is actually a synthetic opiate that doesnt include uephoria. the kratom will help with the euphoria hunt. i reccommend green maylay(day time), great energy, great analgesic properties(pain relieving) and lasts a few hours compared to most other strains. A red strain is great for night time, or an indica strain for bedtime.

    7. Buy powder instead of capsules. You get more for your money plus she needs to break the habit of swallowing pills. The powder goes great with grapefruit and orange juice but you need to have a container that has a lid on it so you can shake vigorously to mix it. Or a blender works. The citric acids enhance the alkaloid content of the kratom, thus making it a bit stronger from what I understand. You can also buy kratom extract. This stuff is absolutely amazing at alleviating opioid withdrawals. A company called O.P.M.S has small vials that can be found at most smoke shops that sell kratom. They’re about $15-$20 depending on the store. Kratom is incredible for opioid withdrawals. I kicked a 10 year opioid dependency in a single day by taking kratom.

      1. Hi Blake. I’m not going to get anyone and on your ass much but anyone and everyone knows that you don’t and can’t kick a 10yr opiate dependency in one day. Sure the first day isn’t as bad as day 3-5 and beyond sometimes. I have found that after about 2 weeks the body will accept that the drug isn’t there. I have also found that it’s the brain that causes all the grief. There’s a reason that many 30 60 90 day rehab programs don’t work for some people. The brain remembers how wonderful opiates made us feel. I loved it. If you’re not strong mentally it’s so easy to say something like ” I’ll just try for old times sake”. If someone would lay a pill or 2 in front me I was taking it. Even after six months. Today is 1 yr since I stopped the hydros/oxys. Somewhere along the way I found Kratom. Maeng Da was my choice. I have terrible neck issues. No way do I desire surgery. Usually I will do a heaping tablespoon when pain is so bad. Not everyday but every other day. Depends on level of pain. I Some might think that’s a lot but not for me. Well, didn’t start out to tell some of my story. I just wanted to say that I think that after 10yrs addicted that I felt it’s impossible that you were over it in a day. I guess maybe be truthful with yourself. I hope you’re not looking on the street for anything. Fentanyl seems to be mixed in a lot street stuff these days. It’s no lie. The street stuff is TRULY DEADLY.

      2. Hi Blake , thank you for your input. I was having difficulty with mixing and I will try your recommendation . What is the ratio of powder to liquid and what strain do you use?

    8. Your daughter is a liar triple cs are not addictive so she didnt get on percs to change that. At 18 she hasn’t been on them long so the kratom will work. Kick her in the ass and tell her to straighten up shes to young to be acting like she been on pills for years

      1. If you can avoid having to take the subs, please do. I have had so many friends who started using them to get off of opiods and found out that they were just as addictive and much harder to get off of. I will be praying for you 🙏

      2. @Andy In response to you calling this woman’s daughter a Liar and your general harshness, this is a forum where everyone deserves compassion and respect. And you have no idea how long her daughter has been doing triple “c” s. Yes, I know what they are and you’re misinformed that they’re not addicting. What happens is the body reaches a point where they no longer provide the high… So it’s completely realistic that the use of triple Cs would lead to opiate use over a period of time.

      3. Andy I just went to rehab for triple Cs. They are so addictive and can kill you so easily. They are a dissociative anesthetic and hallucinogen and are the most nightmarish trips I have had in my life.

    9. Be supportive as I’ve done both there are very little withdrawals for triple c’s brand name is corciden cough and cold and can be bought at any pharmacy. Xanax can be dangerous. Just show her how much you love her and keep her close

    10. How is your daughter?

  18. I am looking for the positive-feel good feeling I get with opiates. I am not addicted to them, but find that when I do take them, I have more focus and a can do attitude. So a combination of focus/energy/positivity. I was told the Yellow Bali Kratom is the best for what I am looking for. Advice?

    1. White Maeng with a kratom extract chewable does it

      1. Kratom extract chewable? Can you provide more info please?

  19. The biggest issue now is money. Getting enough kratom so that I last the month, while also having to take as little kratom as possible to get pain relief. This stuff works amazing on pain, better than any opioid I have ever taken, and with maeng da it takes very little, two capsules is almost always enough, but on very bad pain days I may have to double that, but I never need more. I’m having a lot of trouble getting the powder to dissolve completely no matter how long I stir it, I do have a keurig strainer, at least I believe I ahve what you’re talking about, a small single cup sized coffee filter meant for coffee, and the kratom works just like regular coffee grounds, only I’m not sure it’s as easy as run water over the kratom, the powder has to actually dissolve in the drink. If this continues to be difficult I may just toss a handful of capsules in and wash down with a drink, problem solved. I’m hoping to find some actual kratom pills or kratom tablets, since a couple of times the capsules have come apart half way down, but I’m not having much luck with that, they don’t seem to exist. My smoke shop supposedly has them, I’ll check in a few hours when they open. Hard to understand why this stuff is available over the counter, but I’m extremely greatful it is, finally an OTC pain reliever that actually works and works reliably.

    1. Have you tried your dose with kratom extract chewable they woo boy kick it up a knotch

  20. Last adventure was me going to the doctor about a week ago, asking for either more tramadol or dosage instructions on kratom. Was told several times not to mess with “that herbal stuff” take tram instead never go over, follow the doctor so on and so on. Tram is the weakest of the effective opioids, so for my pain takes at least 100mg, sometimes as much as 200mg to kill it. I have gone as high as 4 grams of maeng da kratom for pain relief, 4 1 gram capsules. Kratom tea sounds like a great idea. I have a keurig, I wonder if I can open some kratom capsules in a mug, drip my coffee or tea over the top, stir, put sugar in, stir some more, and drink. I bought the capsules partially because messing with powder was very messy, partially bevcause capsules are already measured so it’s easier to stick to one amount, but mostly because I had people coming up to me when I was out and about making comments like, what’s that stuff, you know that’s probably illegal, and so on, got tired of defending kratom. Keurig doesn’t actually boil the water, just heats it up to around 100 degrees f, and kratom isn’t very water soluble. I have only red maeng da kratom, at least until my next order shows up, then I’ll have some gold. How many capsules should I open for kratom tea? 2 to 4 g? I neevr go over 4g unless told because maeng da is a very potent strain, supposedly, and you don’t need much. I’ll make me a cup now actually. I feel like some pain relief.

    1. I would do this have you ever heard of a keurig container strainer you can put your kratom in it and let the hot water strain through it helps to not get all that kratom mess in it also don’t forget to soak the kratom in lemon juice makes the alkaloids stronger. How is your day going?

  21. Very new to kratom. My pain story is abbreviated so it’s less painful, pun intended. Have moderate scoliosis and was started on naproxen 500mg twice a day, did nothing. Went up to tramadol 50mg wice a day, did nothing unless doubled, then trippled, doctor lectured and finally cut me off, tramadol withdrawal is absolute hell, no energy, constant insomnia, restless leg syndrome and feeling as if you’re going through the day and night with no energy, and with a hair trigger temper or crying reflex depending on the day. Got sick of begging from my own damn doctor every couple of months only to get a couple of months worth of not nearly enough pain meds, found online pharmacies. Ordered 100mg tramadol every, single, month for 260 bucks per 180 pills pack. Found that ineffective, went up to 100mg tapentadol, 350 for 120 pills pack for nearly 3 years straight. Finally decided enough was enough when my bank account was overdrawn by nearly 500 bucks, was turned onto kratom. I’m visually impaired so powder is out, too messy. I actually like the taste of it, it’s rather tea like with a slight bitter edge to it. I buy red maeng da capsules, 1 gram capsules, 88 bucks for 200 of those. I take 2 grams five to six times a day. I want pain relief that’s as effective as the tapentadol or better. I’ll never be able to get off opioids entirely, but with kratom, if I can get the dosage right I’ll take it instead of my opioid pain meds. Is my dosage right? Should I find another strain or kratom vender? The kratom at my local smoke shop is top knotch despite everyone’s oh buy online comments along with knowledgable salespeople, they take it themselves so don’t just go duh, I just work hear.

    1. Hey Kendall Clark love the name if you need a strong pain reliever I suggest red Maeng da and you only need two teaspoons. Red Bali works good too but not as strong and I suggest you steep in a tea or oj because you will get stopped up doing toss n wash. They have how to do kratom tea on here but I boil water and but kratom honey sugar lemon in a cup let it sit for two minutes than pour the water in than stir real good than let it get cold. You will feel so good. But also I would try a green in the morning not a red like green Maeng or green Malay. You feel so sedative. Ever want to talk my email [email protected]

  22. I have to ask because it’s happening to me and it’s gross. But my bowels are extremely loose and I use kratom everyday I have to severe depression and anxiety with back pain. I use about 12-15 grams of kratom a day with a huge bottle of water mixed with an energy shot. I don’t know what to do because I don’t want to stop the kratom because how well it has worked just need some help. My email is [email protected]

  23. So some of y’all are getting kratom at vape shops or gas stations and online I would highly just recommend going on google look up kratom shops near me. I live in Oklahoma get my kratom from artisans botanical and it’s so much better because that’s all they do. Be careful because some of kratom can have salmonella

  24. DO NOT mix Rx meds with Kratom!!!!

    1. You mean no anti anxiety pills? I honestly dont even need them with kratom but my body starts to feel the withdrawal from benzos.

  25. I have been in pain management for almost 7 years and have tried everything under the sun. A Genesight test revealed that a lot of opioids just don’t work for me so lately I have been on Fentanyl 25mcg every two days and 3 Diluadid a day. No pain relief and I am absolutely unable to take as directed-more should be beer right? Nope- my pain got worse on 10 oxymorphone a day! so my doctor concluded I have OIH- opioid induced hyperalgesia. The cure? Go off em. So, of course not wanting to jeopardize my standing with my pain doc, I just did it myself (my next visit is in 10 days and I have no clue what I am gonna say. This will probably be a random drug test day too, you know?) So the first two days were solid hell. Today, feeling slightly better I called a friend who has 40 years clean and he gave me a doctor’s number who is a friend and works in a detox. I explained my whole fucking pain story and what am I gonna do now for pain relief? Wow, you’re kinda screwed he said. Then he suggested Kratom as well as seeing a rheumatologist to see if there might be an auto immune aspect to my pain.

    I found a place nearby that sells Kratom and bought some red and “yellow” (says from Maeng Da) and took a teaspoon with OJ. Nothing. Took another 1/2 t a few hours later. Nada. This stuff is foul. Any ideas?

    1. Also, does anyone have experience with not exactly having a stomach? I had a gastric bypass 17 years ago so I have a small pouch and no pyloric valve. Everything just dumps right into my small intestine. Any idea how this might affect my dose or preparation?

      1. I have no experience with the gastric bypass, however, 300mg gabapentin 3x daily helped me come off of 420mg oxy for 12 years. That should be manageable for you.

      2. They do sell tinctures that will really help avoiding the stomach issues.

      3. Dee! I don’t have a stomach either. It seems it takes more for me to get the same effect but definitely works still

    2. I have to take at least 10 mg of red meng da kratum to get any effect. It is very nasty tasting stuff. I have to hold my breath as i chug it down and then immediately chew some gum to get rid of the flavor.

      1. Hi Jim and all…I’ve been taking Kratom since July 2018 after 20+ years on opioids of all kinds for chronic pain and nerve damage arthritis took a while but I found the best way to avoid the toss and wash I found is to use OBLATE discs or even easier oblate cones. U simply fill them with Kratom & one cone I can manage about 3.5 g of powder. So a few of those and you’ll be good. You dip in water fast place it in your mouth and swallow with water. You can find videos on you tube about how to use them SO SIMPLE and no more nasty taste! If I had to keep doing t/w I would have gone to capsules or quit I could not stand it. Even trying everything from juice to apple sauce. After the first few you get the hang of it and its fast. You can weigh each as u make it on on g scale. I don’t know why this is not more well known thing to do it really is a game changer. Best of luck to everyone!

    3. I use Gabapentin to help me come off oxy. 300mg 3x a day. if not enough 600mg 3x a day. do some research and see.

    4. You are taking too little! I agree it’s super foul. Buy gelatin capsules and swallow it. Without gel caps it’s too gross to take in the desired dosage range.

      1. Yup buy gelatin capsules that what i do 500 gor 9.99

    5. Parachuting works better with about a tablespoon wrapped up in a little piece of toilet paper and swallowing it whole with a bunch of water! Do that every 2-3 hours as needed and you will notice that it helps aliviate pain in the body as well as tension headaches from body pain.

    6. Hey dee iam a recovering drug addict i tried to get off with kraton could not my doc was giving me to many narcotics..after rehab i started to take kratom again and now it works. For me but you also have to make the decision do you want to be addicted to something else because Kratom you will have to detox off of it and when you don’t have it you will go through withdrawals just like you will anything else so you have to weigh it out and see what you want to do but most definitely detox first and then deal with the pain relief later maybe Suboxone might help you or maybe even methadone I’m not saying either one it’s clearly your choice but I’m just suggesting there is also a Kratom called Trainwreck it seems to work for opiate detox it’s kind of a mixture of all of them and I’ve heard good things about it I took it and I really didn’t see much difference but this was after I had been taking the Kratom for a while so maybe give that one a try. But you’re definitely going to have to make some up and try different brands for day and different brands for night and I would suggest watching it out so you don’t build up a tolerance

  26. hello, i’ve been trying to quit meth cold turkey for the past few months and having better luck each and every time but i really want to be off of this crap. Anyone have any suggestions as far as dosage/ and what strain? suggestions in general are welcome! thank you

    1. Red maeng da half gram twice a day

      1. Thats nothing for this guy, half gram twice a day??? More like 4 grams 3 times a day and work down or you will be back on the meth asap.

        Really really bad advice and before you respond I am a natural drug award winner, there is no debate on this. Written two books already on this matter.

        1. Hi Jason, I would like some of your help. If available. Lisa

        2. Jason…Preach.

        3. Then u can prolly abswer some of my questions. If u dont mind. Basically ive been using kratom for abt 2 mos now. I have chronic recurring epstein barr virus n many orthopedic issues. Im off pain meds n feel great as long as i take kratom. I needed something for energy n got the white thai which has worked wonders. I also started thw red bali for pain which again gives me the energy i need but not so much for pain relief. I just ordered green maeng da hoping that will work. I think my problem is that im taking enough. I only take once a day but only take a teaspoon. The enrgy is there but again not so much for pain issues. Any suggestions would b grately appreciated.

    2. 2tsp as needed, I used red indu, been clean from suboxone almost a month. However it becomes addictive its self and can cause withdrawl opioid like

    3. I use meng da Kratom red vein variety. 10 grams every 5 hours or so. I am coming off 420mg oxy per day, prescribed by pain Dr. for peripheral neuropathy pain. I am in week 2 and it is manageable. So far no sweats, no diarhea or vomitting, only feel very cold all the time.

    4. Go for either the Malay or Thai strain. It’ll work trust me.

    5. White maeng Da my buddy was into it and quit after rehab and every other thing failing.
      The green would help you would still have energy and your mental health wouldnt go so depressed and angry.
      This stuff is amazing. Upset stomach but ginger stops it.

  27. I just started yesterday after a long venture of fentenyl pills, $100 min a day habit and oxy 160mg a day prescribed. My dr just retired without giving any of his clients a decent heads up. Just went in and was handed a paper saying he was retiring and we needed to find an alternative pain management dr. After almost 4 years of seeing this particular dr. I just want to get off everything so badly. So my mom bought me some meang da and white elegant for anxiety. I mixed 1 tsp of each yesterday 3 times. I was a Lil sceptical at 1st until I got home around 3p and I laid down and I fell asleep hard until like 830p. I was like shit I’m not gonna sleep at all during the night. But actually, I’ve kept a glass of kratom on my nightstand and anytime during the night I felt those leg cramps or needs to stretch, I just drank a gulp of kratom and voila, everything went away!! I can’t believe the effects it has and how quickly it helps!!! I think I found a way out of this ridiculous lifestyle I’ve been living for so long. Good luck everyone!

  28. Relatively new to kratom, but I’m a true believer! I have Crohns disease, migraines, arthritis and cluster headaches. I’ve used narcotics, and I hate them. I currently get botox injections for migraines and am on Entyvio for Crohns. I use cannabis regularly and in several forms it is also a great complimentary therapy! I have used Bali, and Maeng da strains of kratom. Bali I had to use lower dose, probably 3.5 gm. Maeng Da I use between 5 and 9 gm depending on my daily needs ie energy or pain relief. I have taken capsules which is tedious because they come in 500mg doses (lot of pills to take), and powder 1tbs= approx 2.5gm. The powder is gross but it can be done and it has immediate effects. Good luck to everyone and blessings!

    1. Here’s a way to make it less gross: Get Vanilla Chai tea bags (you can also try other flavors like spiced apple chai) and some lemon juice from your grocery store. Make 16 oz of tea (one teabag will do). Let it cool off slightly. Add 1-2 tablespoons of lemon juice and your kratom to the tea. Stir with a wisk until the kratom is thoroughly mixed in. Get a large glass filled with ice. Pour the tea over the ice. Add cream / half and half or milk and sugar to taste(Try to use an erythritol based sugar like Swerve or Splenda Naturals, as they have low glycemic impact and taste most like regular sugar . Stevia is the same way but a little more bitter) . If you have a dairy problem, you can use almond milk, or skip it all together and just use a sweetener. Quite delicious. You can also substitute the Chai tea with coffee of your choosing.

  29. my bf is getting of methadone cold Turkey. if anyone has ever been on methadone you know how horrible the wds are…anyhow, he feels these are helping. I personally notice a small increase in alertness. nothing mind blowing yet, but im experimenting with dosage. I could also be one of the lucky few who doesn’t feel much affect from kratom. lol.

    1. I feel your boyfriends pain. I was hooked on 30mg oxycodone for 10 years. I have tried to quit cold turkey several times and found it was dam near impossible. Kratom is the only thing that has worked for me. In the morning I take 3gm of the green Maeng Da (for energy boost, anti diarrhea, and overall good mood) in the PM I take 3-5g of the red vein Bali. Every one is different how they respond but just thought I’d share my experience. Hope everything works out. Good luck and tell him to hang in there. Everything gets better with time.

      1. Great to hear, I was up to 125-150 mg Oxy after few yrs, I havekicked and Kratom has been a saving grace!

  30. I’ve never tried. I’m considering. Any suggestions. I’ve got the Maeng Da powder. Just haven’t done it yet.

    1. I am completely new to this and was enlightened by the Netflix documentary “A Leaf of Faith”. I watched this documentary 9/9/18 a few days ago while in sever neck and shoulder pain causing migraines from hell. I had neck and back surgery replacing discs and have been in constant pain ever since. Desperate and at a breaking point with this pain. Drove to the nearest store and picked up 30 capsules of Maeng Da Kratom and took one right away. 30 min later pain decrease of about 70% and no headache. I can’t believe it!! i called my wife ( out of town ) and was telling her my miracle find. Recommend watching A Leaf of Faith and go from there. It works for me in such a short time and feel like a human again.

  31. I used Kratom (several strains) to come off Cymbalta, Neurontin, Ambien, Klonopin, Xanax, Valium, Vistril, and Zoloft. I use 3 grams in a tea every evening with CBD oil twice a day. No withdrawls (Coming off Cymbalta was hell!) and I feel like myself again! Life saver for sure!

    1. Have you tried kratom kaps maeng da? I’m going thru the same thing

    2. Have you tried kratom kaps Maeng da 22.5 gram capsules? I’m going thru the same thing with Xanax.

      1. I dont think the capsules u r talking about would b 22.5 G- that is the entire bottle most likely has 50 caps in it

      2. They are 750 milligram capsules so 4 capsules is same as 3 grams. Maeng DA is fantastic

    3. I been using different strains of Kratom for chronic pain and Methadone withdrawals. My experience has been that the white strains are for mostly energy with some pain relief and mood elevation. The greens are more mood elevation and pain relief while the reds are more sedating with pain relief. Red Maeng Da is an exception to the rule. Because it is a high breed strain it is very stimulating and provides the most pain relief for me. I take 3-5 grams of Kratom (different strains based on need) every 4-6 hours and stop taking the stimulating strains around 4pm so I can get to sleep between 10 and 11pm. Some of the other red strains can be used as a sleep aid. Everyone has a different tolerance so start out with 2 grams and work your way up as needed for the desired result. I limit myself to no more than 18 grams per day.
      Hope this helps.

      1. Thank you helps alot. New years trying to figure out what exactly my needs arw.

      2. Mike thanks so much for your comment! Out of all the comments here, yours helped me the most!!

  32. I am just trying it for the first time i got a bottle of Maeng Da to try out. I do currently have a 25mcg fentanyl patch, and take Celebrex for inflammation but it’s just not helping enough. Does anyone know about kratom interacting with prescription meds?

    1. DO NOT mix Rx meds with Kratom!!!!

  33. New to this. I ordered extract and some powder. I can’t wait to try, I’m expecting great things. I had back surgery >6yrs ago and continue to have chronic lb and hip pain. Want to get off opiates so badly. Use Fentanyl patch 25mcg and take 30mg oxy. They just don’t work anymore. I’ve tried cutting back, but the SE’s are brutal. My order should be here Sat. Wish me luck and any dosing advise would really be appreciated. Also wondering if Kranker Kratom is an honest reputable place to buy from. Any other suggestions of where and what strain to buy is so helpful to me. Thank you..

    1. Hi! I myself have been on opiates and have had great relief with this! Lemme know how u do!

      1. Hello.
        I was involved in a car accident and was prescribed perks. I am at the point where I take a 30mg or 2 of them. I want to get off these perks and I heard this stuff helps. Any suggestions on dosage and how to take it ? Please I’m desperate * I want to save my life !!

        1. Hope you are succeeding with this path of your life. I am an example of someone who was in your boat and switched to Bali Kratom, vitamin B and a gallon of water a day. RLS meds for the first week. It works!!!! This with other changed habits will work and you can do it.

          I am experimenting with other strains of kratom to see what it does but I think that’s just the addict in me 🙂 tho I do enjoy the effects. Just remember water water water. And more water.

        2. I’m gonna stop commenting and helping no one answers my comments or takes me seriously. I hate you all goodbye

    2. My comment below was meant for you but I think it got scrambled in with some others.
      Please scroll down till you see one from Curt Manners. I’ve spent a bunch of time studying this stuff and it might be what you need, but don’t cross addict yourself.
      If you have any more questions I’ll be happy to help.

  34. I just bought “KRATOM Korner” Maeng Da capsules it says serving size: 1 capsule 0.5g. I curenntly take 30mg of Oxycodone 3 x’s a day. How many capsules of KRATOM would equal a 30mg of oxycodone? Can someone please tell me, I don’t want to take too much.

    1. About 5 im personally coming off heroin so it works n good luck

  35. Need something to help me thru between scripts. My old pain management doc retired and the new one wants to do spinal injections at $10,000 each. I’ve tried these and they didn’t work. The guy is all about money. I have to see him every month when my last doc I saw every 3 months. I’m been on pain meds for 20 years and have only walked up to 10mg Vics 6 a day. He’s cut me back to 4 a day. That’s great if I didn’t work 12 hour shifts.

    I have to find something that helps with pain and makes opiate withdraw tolerable. The way it is now by day 2 without opiates I’m down hard, diareah, shakes, cold sweats, all around just like shit. I can’t function for 2-3 days while I’m like this. Hypersensitivity to pain especially my legs, OMG my legs are on fire at night. They won’t settle down I won’t sleep at all.

    My last doc understood he had back surgery and my MRI on my spine made him ask how I was able to function on just Vicodin. He was surprised I hadn’t been asking for something more potent. I don’t want anything more potent. This new doc wants to put me on Oxycotin because the DEA is pushing to reduce the number of pills they prescribe. Been on them I turn into a soulless, heartless asshole. Constantly pissed off my reactions are disproportionate to whatever happens, I explode in rage.

    Need recommendation on what would fit my situation best. Would prefer no sedation side effects during the day but definitely for the night, if one type can do both if not main goal is pain relief and opiate withdraw mitigation. Thanks ahead of time.

    1. I am so sorry the doctors can’t seem to find out what works best for you. I hope all is better now.

    2. Brad, i have been taking Maeng Da mostly for over a year and 6 months. I am 67 with spinal stenious, severe degenerative disease, arthritis, carpal tunnel syndrome, neuropathy jn all extremities. I had a serious opiate problem as well. I take two heaping teaspoons every 2 to 3 hours. I get pain relieaf, alertness, energy and can work long shifts. I never get high. I do feel good.

      1. This exactly like me. I take 3 tsp of red Bali, I was amazed at how well it worked. No more narcotics.

      2. Thanks Randy- I think your advice is a good fit for me. It’s almost another year passed, curious if your advice and dosage still stands…

  36. I been taking and trying different strains of kratom….my daughter told me to start with the Red maeng da and i really loved it and it gave me so much energy and helped with my pain, then I also tried, the green maeng da I don’t like it as much it doesn’t seem to be as strong of a strain…today I am trying gold and I have white maeng da on order I also have tried bali which I found it to give me headaches which I suffer enough from I even lowered doses and tried different things….the green maeng da is good for anxiety and depression but once it wears off it hit me hard with a bad case of anxiety….I didn’t like that….I will probably go back to the red maeng da but I want to try the white because it is good for RA and also pain…and I have fibromyalgia and RA and alot of back pain…it has helped me alot and my g/f is going thru stage 4 lung cancer so with me having to be her caregiver and take her to and from appt. I have to be active and i don’t always feel it this helps me and i rather take this then opiods…I also have gone thru a few days w/o it and the withdrawls are not that bad not like I go thru with opiods….I am glad that my daughter put me onto kratom.

    1. Hello Melody,
      Maybe a dumb question?
      But when you say RA do you mean rheumatoid arthritis?

  37. I bought Maemg Da powder, 7oz. I’m 69 and have DDD/ DID. Hip knee replaced back surgeries I’m in constant pain. How much do I need to take? Using 2 tablespoons in small smoothie. Seems to me too much

    1. Every strain is very different, as is the same strains from different batches. It’s best to start out small with each new strain to see how your body reacts. Some strains I can take 10 grams, others I can only take 3-4

    2. I have Lyme and usually only do 1 tsp green Maeng Da with OJ. After 4-5 hrs I sometimes do another tsp. Everyone is different, every strain is different. It’s all about what works for you.

    3. I’m 50 and was taking suboxone for 7 years. Tried to quit but withdrawals were BRUTAL. Started taking Green Maeng Da, because of it’s high alkoloid content. Stopped taking the suboxone, and started taking 10g (1 heaping tbsp) every 6 hours at first. Never went thru withdrawals while on the Kratom. Take red Maeng Da at night to sleep. Hope this helps.

      1. Hey there. Saw your post on trying to get off suboxone with Kratom. Has it helped and still working? I’m in your same boat any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

      2. Hello. I’m coming off heroin and p ercs. A friend suggested info kratom although I just started 2 heaping teaspoons. Every 6 hrs so far so good. Should I adjust the dosage?

      3. Hey I appreciated your post and I know it’s been awhile since you posted it however how are you now? Still off the suboxone? I am wondering what the dosage would be in the jumbo capsules for someone wanting to do as you did. How many would a person start with?
        Thank you.

        1. I take 4 capsules every 6 hours to not have withdrawal from morphine and oxytocin.

      4. What strain is good for muscle spasms, bel palsy and low energy

      5. What strain is good for muscle spasms, bel palsy and low energy

    4. Hi Linda, I have DDD & DDD boobs = CONSTANT BACK PAIN. I put 5-9 TEASPOONS in a gallon of orange juice and keep it at the ready. Be sure to shake very well. However, if you are diabetic you might try making tea. I just read up on it and am going to try it. I will make a gallon of tea, and do it just like I do the oj. As we know, oj is full of sugar. If you’re trying to lose weight, drinking oj is like drinking a coke = empty calories – no good.

      BTW, FOLKS: if you make it a gallon at a time, the longer it sits the better. The “green” taste totally goes away. It doesn’t taste bad at all. And you can make a higher concentration and pour it into your glass with a little more oj.

      I drink about 4 oz at a time about 4 times a day until about 4p. I’m able to function all day.
      I then take a couple of hits of CBD oil from an e-pen. I cut off kratom @ 4: because I don’t want to be awake all night.
      Actually function at a semi normal rate. I still have to keep in mind that I have to be careful not to overdo it. I’m 58. At our age, we don’t need to be taking grams at a time. This, I think, is the only perk of the metabolism slowing down.
      I noticed that if I take more, I get the narcotic drowsiness, blech. So I keep it about 4 oz at a time. Keep your height and weight in mind as well. I’m 5’1 and 169 lb.s Now you have a better idea of why the way I do it is a good dose for me.

  38. I want to try some but EVERY website I go to wants me to order $50 or more in order to use COD or debit card payment. This has been the most frustrating time trying to order it!!! 😢😢 I have taken myself off pain pills after being on them for 14 years. Does ANYONE know where I can buy some online without the $50 min?? Thank you xo

    1. Where do you live.. just look up kava bars or smoke shops near you and call them.. ask if they sell kratom thos way you dont get scammed online and you dont have to spend 50

      1. Any smoke shop,usually. I bought 80 caps for $19.00.

        1. Carol Williams where was this that u bought it from? I’ve never of 80 caps for $19…….that’s awesome

          1. South Sioux City Nebraska sells Bali in gas stations for $20 and they work well

        2. I live in CT, just paid $39.99 for Mang da Red, 100 capsules, 50 grams. Bought them at a vape shop.
          Was told they might help me with relief from drug cravings. Seems to be helping, although it could all just be in my head lol.

    2. Check your smoke shops

    3. are you near 60430 zip code

    4. I’d hate to have to feed that monkey you got, but if you’re serious, study the strain types on this site. Then go to Coastline Kratom and read what they have.
      They are an American mom and pop, their stuff weighs right when it arrives, it’s clean, and it’s quality.
      To kick Hydro after a 3 year run, I went to the head shop and got those big tabs that are 900 mgs. 1000 mgs. is a gram, for reference.
      I took one at a time so I could test the FX a little at a time, finally settling on two to get the edge off each morning. One later in the day.
      Don’t guzzle a bunch of coffee and eat this on an empty stomach, have a cookie or something before and then be sure you’re hydrated with water.
      I’m a real hard sell on holistic crap and they don’t make the drug that can kill me, but kratom did actually keep my mind off that Vicodin for long enough to stop that $6 a pop nonsense for Vickies.
      The Red Bali is said to be most akin to the feeling you and I are needing, but I’ve got all different kinds, for sedation/stimulation.
      I ain’t gonna lie to you, I still like that feeling of well being, and I use high grade bud along with Kratom to stay off of anything else and I mean anything. No booze, cigs, or Peruvian marching powder.
      Get you one of those el cheapo capsule makers off Amazon, some 00 empty capsules, a 50 gram bag of Red Bali and set up shop.
      Those caps hold right at .6 gram packed good and tight.
      Good luck Pal, you’re gonna need it.

    5. I ordered from Sacred Kratom and got a few ounces of several different strains for less then $15 each. I also found a local “head shop” that sold it by the ounce.

      1. Sacred Kratom is my favorite so far. I’m new to it & have tried 3 vendors. SK Red Bali is great for pain & opioid withdrawal symptoms. I haven’t seen them mentioned often & it seems they should be. I also tried their white Maeng Da. I’ve yet to find the right strain for my fatigue but the MD is still helpful.

    6. Releaf kratom columbus oh

    7. I got some from a tabaco shop in Jacksonville il for $20

    8. I use 2 teaspoons and that works for me.A few times I have had to take more but I always start off with the 2 teaspoons not tablespoons I hope this helps

    9. I buy mine from Miracle kradom.There are 2 locations
      1 in Columbus, Ohio and 1 in Newark,Ohio

    10. What city and state are you in cause I’m in Ocala Florida for now( horrible place) but I go to any gas station and get Kratom- it’s hit or miss on quality) but maybe somewhere close to u sells it?

  39. I’m on day 1 of my journey the maeng DA kratom powder and its working wonderfully!
    I started will 3grams this morning. Did it like a shot! Tastes like dirt, but as others have said. If you really want it you’ll get over it.
    Waited 20 minutes and did another 2 grams.
    Have not even thought of wanting an opioid!!
    This is gonna be a true lifesaver for me.

    1. Beware, the withdrawals are worse than opiates for alot of ppl. And mix it with orange juice, it really masks the taste. I use mango orange juice (Simply orange is the name brand)

      1. You got that right

      2. I’ve withdrawled from many different opiates plenty of times. I have also ran out of Kratom before and in my experince, Kratom withdrawal is comparable to caffeine withdrawal, only 10x worse. The physical aspect was nothing compared to methadone or heroin withdrawal. The worst part was my mental state. Kratom withdrawal left me feeling empty inside and highly depressed. But I have not touched any opiates in about a year and stay at a comfortable daily dosage of Kratom. I take about five grams of Maenga Da in the A.M. with my strong coffee, and about five grams of Bali in the P.M.

      3. Tell me about the effects of coming off Kraton after long term usage please. Is it really bad like opiates?? I find that hard to believe with it being so organic and natural. Please help.

      4. That’s not true the withdrawal of kratom is about 2/10ths that of opiates I’ve been taking it for a year now,trust me I know

  40. The “pimp grade” kratom works well, other than Green Maylay its my most favorite. 4 grams gives me the energy I need plus reliefs my fibromyalgia😁

  41. I started Krantom white Thai. Green malya. And White horn. 2 tea spoons on empty stomach. All the strains a different one each day. And I have vomiting twice now. Why? I take for the energy and mood lifting effect. And pain relief. I have Rheumatoid arthritis and I’m bi.polar

    1. I trust my vendor. What am I going wrong

    2. You may be taking to much, you need to invest in a accurate scale. See Kratom has different grinds, and heavyness from moisture content. So let’s say you have a tablespoon of green MD that on a scale is 3 grams…then some white Indo at a exact tablespoon could weigh 5 grams. Even though it looks like the same amount.

    3. Because you are likely taking too much and you’re doing so on an empty stomach. You should eat first and try halving that dose. You can always take more, never less.

      1. You’re actually supposed to take it on am empty stomach for best results (so that you’re not wasting it) but also I agree they could be taking too much

      2. Don’t take on an empty stomach!

    4. Always Eat something ,never take on empty stomach !!! I even put my Kratum Red from Borneo in my peanut butter & jelly , so not to upset my tummy !!! This advise I got from other people who use same Kratum for Pain !!! I found out the Red Kratum works best for 9 of my 10 complex pain conditions !!! GOOD LUCK GOD BLESS

  42. I take condoms teaspoons 3 times a week I’d like to take more I enjoy it it helps but I’m worried about overdosing

    1. You cannot overdose on Kratom.

  43. This does not act like opioid to me. I do not get high. I don’t have any cravings nor withdrawal symptoms at all. Life saving for me.

    1. Hell yah! I wish I woulda discovered this YEARS ago! I stopped opiates once again and said to myself “I’m gonna try it” and boy am I glad I did! Didn’t have ANY w/d symptoms. No RLS, cramps, diarrhea, sweats, NOTHIN! Get this if you run out of your opes

      1. So happy to hear from all of you about the opioid w/d. My son has been on soboxan for 5 years and the detox has been worse than the opioids. He is on day 2 of the Kratom, we are still working on dosage but he feels better today! This is such a positive after the last 2 weeks of hell! God has gifted us with the plants to heal!! Bless all on this healing journey, may they find the plant medicine they require to heal them.

        1. I know Suboxone withdrawal well. If ever needed again I recommend Red Bali. I got mine at Sacred Kratom. But am sure other vendors are fine.

          1. I checked out Sacred Kratom and you all are paying an OUTLANDISH amount; no matter the quality. I hope you’ve since found a fair and reasonable vendor.

      2. What strain, and what dose? Picked up some green MD today cuz I needed SOMETHING, ANYTHING to get me thru the withdrawls of 45 mg morphine a day & 6, 10/325 hydro’ s a day. I start3d with 1 Tblsp. Any idea how much & how often I should take this stuff? How long to take affect once I’ve drank it.

  44. I need to correct something I wrote, I said normal horseplay instead I meant housework lol 😂 And when I said maeng da Kratom underneath leave I meant the word “krave” sorry

    1. I know this must b annoying now, but when you say capsules take longer, actually about how long is longer? K, I’m done bothering….sorry again!

    2. damn auto correct :0

  45. Just bought the krave maeng da capsules, and says 500mg Beach capsule. I am taking them mainly for energy and happy mood and some pain relief. It just says maeng da Kratom, no specific color, but the powder looks green, how do I know which strain it is and how many 500 mg capsules to take? To describe the bottle…..says all natural at top left then leave in larger black print w/word botanicals in small green print underneath leave and then maeng da **kratom in orange like color. So sorry to bother you but I just want to know which strain and how many capsules to take because I am deserperate for the energy because I can’t even seem to get my normal horseplay and dinner cooked for my family (3 kids included). So tired of crying on daily basis. I already take Ritalin for ADHD and synthroid, cuz doc said it would help my energy levels(nope). Psychiatrist continuously insists I smoke marijuana, but everyone I try it makes me lazy and hungry. Please help if u can, would be so grateful! Thank you for reading this lengthy comment

    1. You need to buy a scale first of all cause if you’re buying it from a headshop it isn’t weighed out correctly most of the time. If I’m ever waiting on an order and I have to buy my Kratom from a smoke shop I empty the capsules into a cup and weigh it out. Second you need to start with trial and error. I would first try 3 grams. If you are keeping them in the capsules the weight won’t be that much different cause I’m guessing if it says 500 mg it is a “0” sized cap. Which weigh a gram after 10 empty caps. Anyways just keep going up to desired effects. If you take it raw it will take 15 to 20 minutes if you take it in caps it will take anywhere from thirty minutes to an hour. More than likely you got green Maeng Da. If it isn’t a brownish reddish color then you’ll be getting a energizing effect. If it is you’ll get a relaxing sedated feeling.

      1. Don’t buy from head shop! Way more expensive!!!! Order online. I buy a huge bag for $90… The small bag you get for 30 could go into this bag like 50 times. Buy bulk kratom USA. Look it up 😊

        1. Definitely $55 for 500 grams or 17 ounces. Shops were selling one ounce for $25.

    2. First off Shrinks are nuts good luck with that !!! Try edibles for your Weed needs just start small to see how they affect you. Why mess your lungs up ? I use Medical Weed edibles & Red Kratum caps that I get at my Local smoke shop !!!

    3. 500mg is half a gram

  46. I tried the 7 capsule dose according to directions and all day felt like I had a ton of led in my stomach and felt no effects all day. I decided to try the powder and took two teaspoons again according to directions with a little water and 10 minutes later threw up but STILL felt nothing all day. I really wanted it to work so if there’s any feedback that may help please let me know

    1. Where are you getting your Kratom? If it’s a smoke shop there is your problem. I had the same problem. I took it and nothing. Then I tried good Kratom and it just blew me away and I’ve been off opiates for good.

  47. Just received my Kratom in the mail, tried Green Maeng Da mixed in with my tea, I felt kind of warm and my tongue went numb… then about 30 minutes I was in the bathroom throwing up. I’ve bought “0” gelatin capsules, but I haven’t learned the conversions yet, I’m studying the measurements and I am realizing I will probably have to take several capsules per day just to feel the affects of what I’m taking. I will try it in yogurt today like Jessica mentioned… hopefully it wont make me sick again. I used to take vitalize the herbal supplement shots and I loved them, but the shop I was buying them at quit selling them!

    1. Mango flavored orange juice (Simply Orange- name brand)

      1. Does it work smoking it? Just wondering

  48. I am a 65 year old man who was recently diagnosed with throat cancer, and just finished chemo and radiation. I have chronic pain issues from multiple gun shot wounds severely damaging both legs and hips.
    I’ve been on hydrocodone for almost 10 years for the pain. All my medical is handled by the Veterans administration so I have to live by there rules. While being treated for the cancer the nausea was horrible, so, I tried pot. I also new by using pot that the VA would stop the hydrocodone.
    I no longer need the pot and I no longer take any narcotics.
    I’m taking maeng da for the pain, works well, and need no hydrocodone.

      1. I’m also on pain management, when I went to my doctor he told me if I tested for kratom again I would be kicked off pain management

  49. I agree.. The capsules sucked for me too. I guess cuz they take SO long to dissolve and they all dissolve at different times. I won’t get them again. The powder is much better for me anyway. I don’t bother putting it in anything except my mouth- hahahaha! but seriously, it’s better to keep your stomach as empty as possible so I just pour the powder in then take a huge slug of water…… swallow. It’s not that bad, really. It’s a weird consistency, kinda like dirt, but if you really want to take it- you will get over that real quick.

    1. How much do you take? I’m new to this bit want off pain meds. I’ve need on Oxy for 19 yrs and it’s no longer working.

  50. ‘t have an an empty stomach but I took 3 capsules of ka tu M it did not work at all why don’t I feel it

    1. Try mixing your kratom in pudding or yogurt. I took capsules and it kinda sucked. I mixed a teaspoon of white maeng da in chocolate pudding and it was very nice. Hot me ALOT QUICKER, and in still feeling it almost 3 hours later.. I have a very bad back and it helps so much.

      1. Orange juice. Specifically mango flavored orange juice- simply orange name brand

    2. You may likely need to take more caps. for me kratom has no effect on me under 5 grams.
      so depending on the size of your caps your taking you may need to take any ware from 6-10 caps per dose.
      start low and work your way up.
      hope this helps.

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