Please be aware that the below charts reflect estimates and not exact measurements consistent across all kratom vendors. While it is recommended that you buy a scale to correctly measure your kratom, these charts offer support for those who are unable to do so.

When measuring an extract, we strongly recommend purchasing a small digital scale as they often have a significantly higher degree of variability.

Average Powdered Leaf

1 gram0.035 ounces
50 grams1.75 ounces
100 grams3.5 ounces

Crushed Leaf

1 Tablespoon2.7 grams
1 Teaspoon0.9 grams
000 Capsule0.70 – 1 gram

Bali Powder

1 Tablespoon6.2 grams
1 Teaspoon2.3 grams
000 Capsule0.75 – 1 gram

Maeng Da Powder

1 Tablespoon7 grams
1 Teaspoon2.6 grams

Green Malay Powder

1 Tablespoon6.9 grams
1 Teaspoon2.4 grams

Extract Capsule Conversion (00 Capsules)

Extract00 Capsule DosageEquivalent Powdered Leaf
Gold Reserve Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram7-8 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Indo Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf
ISOL-8 Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-7 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Maeng Da Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf
Ultra Enhanced Red Kali Extract Capsule1 cap = approx .5 gram6-8 grams Powdered Leaf

This Post Has 1,443 Comments

  1. Chris

    Hello and thank you for this group.

    I am a 57 yr old male. 215 lbs, 6’2″ in height.
    Been on a Fentynal patch 100 mcg every 72 hrs for the past 15 yrs. Suffer from fail back syndrome with chronic LBP and neuropathy. I don’t take any other mess.

    I’m done. Can’t take the side effects and chains of opioids anymore and I’m no longer sure what kind of pain I really have.

    I’d like some guidance getting started. Purchased .5 kilo of Bali Red powder. I have a scale. What doseage should I shoot for and when should I start to wean?

    I’m extremely motivated to get this underway.

    1. Debra

      Hi Chris:
      I am by no means an expert but sometimes getting answers here are rather slow. First thing I would do is join a Kratom group on Facebook. There is 24hr support and advice there. I am on my 3rd day opiate free and I am feeling great- really. Very minimal symptoms and have gone to work all three days. I’m amazed. The dosage I had to play with. I started out with too much and got nauseated. I found that 3.5 grams every few hours has worked for me. I’ve even been sleeping. The Facebook group I joined is called Kratom (new and current users).

    2. Tom

      I’ve been taking kratom for a few years now,was hooked on percocet and this was a godsend, dosing is different for different people and depends what affects your trying to achieve, also on quality and type of kratom, 1 to 5 grams for stimulation, 3 to 7 grams for pain relief, always start lower and see how it affects you and slowly increase to achieve desired affects,make sure you find a quality supplier with a good review history, remember this isn’t opiates so you won’t get as high from this but it does work,
      Hope this helps

    3. Hayron

      With your tolerance to pain meds, I would start with 2 grams three times daily. I was on 15mg morphine twice a day and four percocet 5mg four times daily and now I supplement it with 3.5g of Red Fibro from great stuff

      1. Heather

        Hello there! I’m fairly new to Kratom. I’ve been taking a level teaspoon sometimes less than a teaspoon, 2-3x day of green maeng da. I decided to capsule it in 00 gel caps. How many will I take for one dose?

        1. mike

          Hello my name is mike. I use kratom every day for severe back pain in upper and lower spine. If theres any questions or advice I can help you with just email me. I have every day level 8 pain and the bad days is level 10 pain. I use cap-em-quick pill maker with 00 capsuls and make my own. I take 4 grams when i get up at 7 am then again at 1 pm and again at 7 pm upping the dose by 1 to 2 grams every time. So 4 grams at 7am, then at 1pm 6 grams and 7pm Ill take between 7 and 8 grams every single day. This reduces my pain level to almost nothing. My quality of life is 99% better then when I was taking prescription pills.

          1. Times2

            Hi mike can u send contact info please. I’m about to cut the pd loose tiered or chasing pills. I do need them for pain and not for addiction ( tho it doesn’t matter what u need it for ) just mite be a difference in dosage. Thanks allot

          2. Cindy

            Hi Mike. I’m so excited I just received my Kratom and have been reading the blog. Yours especially interests me because it sounds like you have similar pain problems; I’ve had disc surgery, they want to do more with spacers and fusing( which I don’t want to do), and all those other degenerative things, arthritis….blah blah 🙂 I’m so tired of taking Norco and the ups and downs. I took my first dose today about 4pm of Kratom about 1.5 teaspoons of red maeng da with applesauce and I did feel it quite a bit but not in a bad way. I felt so relaxed and I actually just sat and watched tv for over an hour without getting up! I need to figure out my dosage wondering if I should take more tonight. Ok, now, my question for you – how many capsules does it take each time you do your dosage? I took the Kratom today with applesauce and almost gagged so I’m thinking capsules but sounds like it will take a lot. I’m so glad it is working for you! That is fantastic. Being in pain sucks. Appreciate your input. Cindy from California

          3. Underhill

            Thanks Mike. Maybe you can help me get started with Kratom. I am tired of chasing scripts and running out. I take 10-12 10/325 vicoden a day and cant seem to monitor myself to make a script last 30 days. I end up beating the street to ‘survive’ until a refill. I purchased an oz of the Maeng Da Red Vein and White vein along with the Bali powder and Bali capsules not knowing what would be best. I have 7 days until my next fill and the devil is knocking at my door. Can you advise please what the best way to begin?

          4. Susan Hardy

            I am new to this. I have had hip replacement. Need another and shoulder replacement. I also have severe bursitis and rotator cuff tears. The psoas tendon on right side is completely shot. I have had the injections in both hips and shoulders 6 times each with no relief. I take only tylenol and aspirin for pain because my doctor thinks I am too old to take any narcotics. I am 70 but if I could just get the edge off it would be great. I ordered red maeng da capsules that say 250 g on package. No instructions for how much to take. Can you help?

    4. Heidi

      Good luck to you and good attitude about quitting.
      it’s good you have that kratom, but imo you should have a few different strains and rotate them, not take the same kind everyday. You want to keep your tolerance guessing and not get stuck on just one kind. I personally (though I praise the plant and think it’s way better than any RX, pain Med) think you should start out as low as possible.. maybe 4-5 grams. See how that treats you. Fentanyl is strong, I too was on that. So, if after 45 min to an hour it’s hasn’t relieved things as much as you’d like, I’d add another 2-3 grams…
      I wouldn’t try to stay on it longer than a month or so..and unlike the guy above saying you can take as much as you want and go ahead and take 30grams… I disagree. No it will not hurt you, but your body will become dependent on it still, so least is best. When tapering, I would just knock off 1/4 a gram per dose, or a gram a day. I did this and it was the easiest. I still Was a tiny bit uncomfortable for a few days, but NOTHING like from Fentanyl and if you’re not taking more than 6-10 grams a day (that’s even a bit more than you need, but again you may need that since we’re talking about fentanyl) and you wean correctly, you should be ok. 🙂
      Good luck!

  2. Pine Nut

    I’ve been dabbling a little, keeping things at ~1 to 1.5g, trying different types. I had some around dinner time a couple weeks ago, and then realized I’d have to go to sleep soon. I am, unfortunately, “hooked” on Ambien for sleep, and I was afraid to take one. After trying to go without, I eventually took an Ambien for sleep. Are their any strains that are good for sleep?

    1. Lynn

      Green vein about 4 grams will give very good sleep. It also helped me get off of oxycodone. Good luck.

    2. Nicki

      The best veins by far for sleep, pain, and anxiety are going to be in the Red family. Red is the most opiate like. Green is a balance of energy and pain relief. White is the most energizing least pain relieving. Red Bentuangie, for example, is great for sleep. 🙂

      1. jack

        Can you tell me where you get your red bentuangi please?

  3. Darcie

    Hi everyone,

    I am looking for recommendations on types of Kratom for Pain AND energy. I have Fibromyalgia, Cervical Stenosis, Herniated Discs in Lower Back, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome to name a few. Pain and Fatigue are the biggest issues. I was prescribed Hydrocodone 10mg 4X a day for 12 years, and about 4 months ago switched to Oxycodone 10mg 4X a day due to tolerance issues and me finally saying the “Hydrocodone isn’t working!”. However, now I’ve noticed the pain is increasing and I can’t take it. I don’t want to be dependent on painkillers. I just need RELIEF. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, Thank You!

    1. Yole

      Hello, how are you withdraw symptoms? I am having some weird kratom dreams! Lol

    2. Sol

      Hey, I would look into a book called “Back Mechanic” by Stuart McGill for how to deal with your back issues. And I believe the red stem varieties are best for pain. Some distributors list the different benefits of the various strains. So search around for one of those. All the best, and it is possible to reduce that pain, and it doesn’t require costly therapies or surgery. This book was a life saver for me. I have a herniated discs in my lumbar as well as stenosis. This book simply allows you to find your pain triggers, and guide you towards exercises that will be suited for your unique back issues.

      1. Dee

        Thank you for the suggestion of the book, I have had 3 surgeries, the next one will be a fusion. I am terrified at the thought.
        I’m getting this book, thanks again

  4. Haron

    First thing is that if you are using this substance to get off of opiates, it’s important to buy a scale that measures grams. It’s really not that much of an investment to get yourself out of the situation you are in and do it correctly.
    I take Kratom for opiate withdrawal and I’m sorry to say that I withdraw just about every month when my meds run out. It’s not ideal but it’s the situation. Anyway, I take 10 grams 3x per day (sometimes 4 if it’s really bad) for the first few days and then I can bring it down several grams over the next few days. If you are on Kratom straight up and no more opiates then you should plan to need Kratom for a block of time.
    Red Vein Borneo is by far the best for opiate withdrawal and I have tried them all. I find that the literature and advice online is severely lacking when it comes to dosage. Primarily with regard to how many times per day. Many will tell you the number of grams to take but not tell you how many times to dose that during the day to keep withdrawals from creeping in on you. This stuff works, it really does but dosing properly is essential.
    Start smaller and work up. My advice is a red vein strain starting at 6 grams on an empty stomach. After 30 minutes to an hour you will know what this dose is doing for you. 4-6 hours after your initial dose you will need to dose again and you will now adjust according to your experience. If it wasn’t enough, go up a gram. If you felt too much nausea or anything else unpleasant, back off a little. Your body will adjust to this substance over time and if you are getting any negatives they will dissipate. I know that compared to what some say, dosing up to 30-40 grams over a 24 hour period sounds like a lot. But it is what I require to stave off withdrawal hell and I must say I am not sick, I have no anxiety, I have no pain and I have no cravings. Kratom is what’s up but you’ve got to take the right amount in the right increments.

    1. George

      I agree completely. It’s not unheard of for people in SouthEast Asia to dose up to two ounces a day. That is quite a lot. But considering opiate cross tolerance with kratom, it’s not that much. One ounce I mean. Kratom got me off of morphine nice and easy.

    2. Debra

      Thank you for this info. I bought the red vein Maeng Da Thai to try to withdraw but will get some Bali if there is a big difference. I haven’t fully jumped into it -after all my life isn’t completely ruined yet just nearly. I am trying to cut down from my 160-200 mg/day oxycodone and the best I have done is down to 120mg for the past few days. I weigh about 115 -don’t know if that matters. Does it make sense to take some Kratom in-between doses of pills as I cut down? There is so little info out there about exactly how to do this. Yours is the best explanation I’ve read. I will be out of pills and money in the next day or so and will have to switch completely over to the Kratom. Any help or encouragement or advice is appreciated. I’m much too old (62) to be going through this again. I kicked heroin and methadone 30 years ago. I started back on the narcotics due to surgeries about two years ago.

      1. Joe hinchliffe

        Hello, my opinion is you should’ve been dead just like I should’ve been dead from overdosing on oxy which I was taking 20/7.5s 3×a day. I switched over to suboxone thinking it would be better and it was great until I went through withdrawal trying to come off subs they are horrible but the truth is I switched to kratom and walla I am clean and sober never even experienced withdrawal symptoms and I have been on opiates for over 10 yrs. You need to reach that breaking point like I did and know it’s either death or great clean and sober feelings

        1. Debra

          Thanks for your reply and yes, somehow I have managed to stay alive despite what I have put my body through. I had a horrible time getting the Kratom down with the taste and then nausea so I gave up for awhile but ready to try again. I’ve ordered some capsules which should have been here yesterday but I guess the current weather everywhere has delivery delayed. Thanks for the encouragement.

          1. Goodluck

            Have you.tried making tea? There are.some easy after.boiling kratom and letting it.steep a few, i strain water (with facecloth to catch plant particles) and using the hot water to make black tea or coffee..add sugar, milk and much easier to digest. You can also use heated Kratom 1 or 2 extra times but potency decreases.

          2. Lenny

            Hi Debra…I use Kratom for huge back pain. The best way I’ve found to take it is in a glass full of chocolate Insure. It is thick enough to keep the powder suspended and the chocolate flavor really masks the funky taste. I hope this helps you a bit and all the best to you on your quest. There is hope. Lenny

          3. Csl

            I just looking for help on starting kratom for opiate withdrawal. I have some, but I have no idea how much to take and I’m out of my doc. Can anyone help me?

          4. Jenna

            Debra, just read your post and wanted to see how this was working for you. I’m officially out of oxy so instead of getting more I need to be done! Really hoping kratom will help with wd they scare the heck out of me. I’ve gotten my oxycodone down to 5 times a day 7.5mg/ basically every 5-6hrs. Any advice on how many capsules I might start with?

        2. kathy A smith

          Thank you Joe for your experience. I, too thought subs were a life saver, until… There my worse nightmare. I’ve been using the red vein Maeng Da, and I feel great. I’ve wasted so much time and money on Suboxone and I’m sorry the day I ever started them. Like you, I’ve reached my breaking point.

      2. Haron

        Hi Debra. Hope your efforts are going well. I have only a moment right now so I just want to wish you luck. I would suggest using something other than Maeng Da but it will work. I will leave a more detailed response tomorrow about why I prefer Borneo/ Bali.

        1. Debra

          Thanks for your quick reply. I lost this thread until now so didn’t see it until this morning. I did not do well with the Kratom because I just couldnt get it down. I managed a dose which I don’t even know what effect I felt but woke up that night projectile vomiting. So I gave up for then since it was an extremely busy time at work and did not seem likely that I would stick it out. So it’s a month later and I placed an order for the capsules- both Bali and Maeng Da -should have been delivered yesterday but because of weather is stuck somewhere. I have enough pills to get me through a few days but I’m looking forward to trying again. Everything I have read everywhere has said the Kratom works for opiate withdrawal but I have to give it a chance for it to work for me. I would like to hear more from you about the strains and how to set myself up for success rather than falling back on excuses. Also, I’m wondering if there are other things I can use either rx or herbal that would help. For instance, I have 70 tramadol but don’t know if those would be helpful and if so, how I would incorporate them. I also keep pot on hand. I appreciate your willingness to share your experience with me (and others). Helpful and substantiated info just isn’t that available so I thank you in advance.

          1. kevin

            I mixed the powdered kratom with orange juice and that works well. I tried tea coffie tinture and this was by far the best way for me

          2. Debra

            I’m now on my third day and feeling great. Shockingly well. I had to do capsules and that is working for me. Took a little to find the right dosage but so far, so good. I’m amazed. I should be sick as a dog.

          3. Debra

            Jenna – sorry I did not see this sooner. I am doing absolutely fantastic! I got through withdrawals without skipping a beat- worked every day, slept at night, no restless legs. My biggest issue was my body temperature. I could not keep warm so I had to keep a heater on me at work and keep my heat cranked at home. So I am still doing kratom- mostly greens and a few blends that have every color strain in them. I don’t worry about being dependent on it because it’s better and cheaper than all of the oxy’s I was taking. When I take my doses every day, I just think thank you, Mother Earth, for providing this wonderful plant that I can take instead of opiates and still feel good. It has been a lifesaver to me.

      3. Ainedo

        Don’t use the opiates in conjunction with Kratom because of cross tolerance. I couldn’t figure out why I didn’t feel a thing when I took my pills and I was on Kratom and it’s because the Kratom cancels out the opiate and you’ll build a tolerance to the opiate. Alternate days if you need to but don’t put pills in between doses.
        It’s surprising how much Kratom really does. It’s like magic.

    3. Christian

      Alright so this is my first time ordering Kratom I order 2 onces of maeng da which comes to about 56 grams. I been taking tramadol for about 6 months now and I hate it when I run out of medicine the pain is too much to handle and I would love to get off this using kratom. There isn’t much info out there when it comes to the right amount to take daily in grams . What would be the right dosage to take daily and how many grams per pill would be recommended? Any help would be appreciated.

      1. MotherMary

        Tramadol is a double edged sword. It works on the serotonin as well as opioid neurotransmitters making it twice as tough to detox from. Start low and Go slow! (Vaping Cannabis helped me cut through it.)
        I have been off big pharma meds for 12 years with cannabis only for fibromyalgia, TMJ and Complex Regional Pain Syndrome.
        I am new to kratom helping my husband detox from oxycodone and can not believe his level of happiness and pain relief. Many years ago, he went from 560mg oxy a day down to 240mg a day before getting set back with a triple bypass. He took 8mg Klonopin and is down to 2mg using cannabis, (he easily eats 600 mg Lab tested THC a day) which was like “shooting a bb gun at a Sherman tank” from the 240mg to 125mg oxy this past year. He has been on opioids and benzos for 27 years. He is 61, needs 5 discs fused in his neck, hated being alive and could hardly function.
        He took 5 grams of Red Bali Kratom in a paste and gag form, and was a believer. Although watching his face wrinkle and squint (and enjoying the taste of green tea myself), it didn’t take much to realize we needed a more accurate and less offensive way of dosing. So, I made 00 capsules (24 at a time and .5 grams each) of the 5 sample strains I purchased… He has been taking 7 grams or 14 pills three times a day. The ratio of reds 2 parts to 1 part green or white. (I did the math and paid $119 for a capsule filler on Amazon that makes 189 pills at a time – it should be here to try tomorrow and a supply of RED BALI and Green Hulu to make a month supply.) With this dose of kratom between his oxy doses (He is a large guy at 6’6” 260# and high tolerance to everything – reread functional on 560mg oxy) he has been able to extend his oxy use out to every 6 hours, saving 15 mg per day for the last week. It has given him hope in a desperate situation.
        Yesterday, He took 3 grams of Vietnam Glow (a white strain?) with 3.5 grams of Red Borneo and was bouncing off the walls with energy. (FYI, There is a reason it is sold as a sexual enhancer in headshops.)
        Being from an educational and scientific background, I support the use of capsules and a scale for accurate information. Capsules are slightly delayed release (approximately 20 minutes) followed by protein to prevent stomach upset and lots of water. He also is journaling his amounts and effects with various strains. I went on several websites printing out their strain descriptions and educational materials.

    4. Jojo86

      Hey haron I myself came off perk 30s (blues) about 2 to 3 a day with suboxone I haven’t touched any pain pills in atleast 6 months but I have been on the subs for a while started tapering off I’m down to a quarter a day once a day I just ordered 178 grams of the meng da my question is since I never used kratom or anything do I have to wait to use it or can I just start it right away? I really don’t wanna go see the devil (withdrawl) best way I can put that lol cause that’s basically what it is straight hell

      1. Goodluck

        You can start taking it as soon as you stop. It hits similar receptors and does block some of the effects (in my experience-2months so far) Start with 4-6grams(level teaspoon) . I found Bali mixed to be the most helpful strain.

  5. Brandon

    If I just finished taking Percocet 5/325 for pain yesterday…can I take O.P.M.S. Kratom silver Maeng Da with my Mega Man vitamins today? Is anyone aware of any interaction. Also how many should I take for my back muscle pain?

    1. Tes420

      you should be fine…a 5mg percocet isn’t going to do anything a day later

      1. HQA

        I don’t think the person meant they only took one, I think they meant a course of treatment or longer but that was the most being taken at one time. The info is vague but this was my take on it.

  6. Derek

    I have to say I’ve really enjoyed reading all of your comments! It’s interesting to hear your testimonies and experiences with kratom. What a cool little community we have here! The marijuana lovers have a whole scene, society, and culture… I hope soon we will have a wonderful KRATOM LOVERS community/hub! I can only imagine what that world will look like! What will our logo be? Let’s not just hijack the weed-scenes images and phrases, but make our own! I like to draw I should take a little kratom and get doodling! Let’s build this together! 🙂 I love you all.

    1. Ed

      Hi Derek! I appreciate your positivity! I have been a daily user for about three years. I I am diabetic, and suffer from neuropathy. However, Kratom has certainly done more for me than help alleviate pain. I am certain it has helped my depression, and I mean a lot! Also, my focus issues are much reduced. I am a fan, and I am happy that it will remain legal for now. My hopes are it stays that way.

      I’ll do whatever I can to help you start a community! This plant deserves it! It also deserves much respect, in my opinion. Kratom’s ability to help people either overcome, or at least properly manage, many different conditions that hinder a good life is astounding. I think as it is studied more in the coming years, many great things can come from its use.
      As a community, we should be proper advocates for it… Positive representatives.
      I’m in!

    2. Katherine Camardelle Smith

      I like reading all the info thats posted. I use Kratom. I am just learning.
      How do I join your Kratom Family.?
      For our cannabis we do have several pages on FB.
      Do they have a Kratom page on FB?
      I use both.
      My testimony is so long.
      Right now I would just like to get to know people using Kratom. Not to many in the cannabis world do both.


      1. Brandon Naramore

        Hello all! It’s been wonderful to read all these amazing Kratom stories. I have been using Kratom daily for about 3-4 years now. My experiences so far have been amazing pertaining to Kratom’s pain relieving properties. I injured my knee at a concert and I’m a caretaker for my brother who has Spinal Muscular Atrophy. Helping my brother and having a pretty intense physical work scene definitely puts a strain on my back and knee. I recently purchased an inversion table for my back. I’m not here to promote them, but they most assuredly work for stretching your muscles and taking pressure off the spine.
        Since I live in Denver CO, I use both cannabis and Kratom. There are quite a bit of people who use Kratom AND use cannabis. I take 3 natural thai pills from Urban Ice when I wake up, and 3 more when I get to work at 3 pm. I work in the food industry and Kratom doesn’t stop me from excelling at work with either focus or energy. I swear buy this stuff!

      2. Lee

        I went cold turkey off my Morphine. It took 30 days of horrible withdrawal. When I told my doctor I had gone cold turkey, he came unglued. I now realize I should have slowly come off the Morphine. My caregiver at the time had taken my prescription to the pharmacy and then in the process, lost my prescription. Of course, I reported the loss. I wanted to make sure that my caregiver was not using my script. I am a happy camper now. No Narcotics. I live in Oregon where MJ is fully available. But, no more for me. I love the Kratom and now hangover from the use, I pray the drug companies do not take this drug and turn it against us.

    3. Kathryn Green

      Kick it with Kratom! How’s that?

  7. Lisa

    Just started Kratom yesterday. I have been on opiates for over 20 years. Drs are trying to wean me down even though I have RA and Ankylosing Spondilytis as well. I got Maeng Da yesterday. I packed the powder into capsules. I have been taking 3 tablets at a time. However I notice I have been having a pounding headache. Am I taking too much at one time? How many should I take and how many times a day? I have a high tolerance for pain meds but I know Kratom works differently. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    1. N

      I feel like headaches often accompany new opiods… I particularly remember having what felt like a slight headache and general “off feeling” when I started buprenorphine “therapy”… for quite a long time. I personally feel like it had to do with my eyes [changed or adjusting?] ability to respond to brightness of lights, and such. Could have just been a personal thing though.

      1. Lisa Peacock

        It’s not that kind of headache. It feels like my head is gonna explode. I was up all night holding my head and crying. This morning I blew my nose and it is full of blood. I’m also very nauseated. I feel horrible. Any suggestions??

        1. Derek

          Hi Lisa, headaches and nosebleeds could be side effects of dehydration. Kratom is a diuretic, which will cause some hydration loss in your body. How much water do you drink per day?

          1. Mike

            You get headaches when you come off opiates for 2 or 3 weeks happen to me everytime all day everday my guess thats orob what its from..wvstuakmy it goes away amd drink lots of water

        2. Erin

          Have you checked your blood pressure when you feel like this? Headache accompanied by a bloody nose or ringing ears is a common symptom of high BP

      2. Eevyll

        I found kratom headaches don’t occur on days when I abstain from any alcohol. … I’m new user tho so maybe just coincidence? The end of kratom days that I have even one beer result in terrible headaches. …..

    2. Lisa Peacock

      It’s not that kind of headache. It feels like my head is gonna explode. I was up all night holding my head and crying. This morning I blew my nose and it is full of blood. I’m also very nauseated. I feel horrible. Any suggestions??

      1. Eva

        Stop taking it for a couple of days!! Then, if you want to try it again (which I’m not sure I would with such scary side effects), try a MUCH SMALLER DOSAGE.

        You don’t give any indication how much each capsule you’re taking has in it. Do you know? You should not take another dose of Kratom until you know the exact dosage in grams that you are taking. And I would start with a ridiculously small dosage and work up to the dosage you need for pain relief that doesn’t give you bad side effects.

        1. Lisa

          The headache problem sent me to Urgent Care. I received a shot of Toridol and Phenagren. Immediately felt better. I’m not really sure how much is in each capsule I take. I buy the pills already filled. I have been taking 4-6 at a time. Things are much better. I did realize that I’m always thirsty which someone said it is a diuretic so that explains why. How often should these be taken in a day? I haven’t been able to find the exact level I need. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

          1. KOB

            You had a migraine.

          2. Joe

            Hello friends,

            I was dumping my family’s money into oxy for decades. I found and started experimenting with kratom about two years ago. Let me tell you this first. You will become addicted to it however it’s much easier to kick than others and it has very few side effects. Constipation and dehydration really is all. Please do not buy capsels. Usually 15 grams worth of caps is around 20 – 35$ and at a decent pipe shop or head shop a oz. or 28 Grams of powder is only 10 – 20$. One heaping teaspoon of any kind will diminish the WD symptoms to almost none for me. And would use that every 3 hours for about a month. When you first wake up the day after quitting pills, and yes you will sleep, take 2 tsps and one three hours after that. It helps with the non physical symptoms. Anyway now I prefer kratom to pills. It’s different and better. I’ve heard of people getting the nods off of it but let me tell you, kratom has a self regulation system built in, if you take too much or get too strong of stuff you’ll feel like crap for an hour. Nothing like WD but still not good. I’ve had some amazing reds that with 7 grams is amazing but 7.5 is horrible 😊Either way it’s a wonder cure for me and WILL get you through. Oh one more thing, if you have a choice for detoxing these people are right, reds or even a yellow is great but if you can only find a white or meng da, get it anyway. You’ll need just a tiny bit more to go from the get stuff done mode and into the relax and chill mode. It’s fun to experiment with all the different types and brands. GET OFF THE MAD MADE DRUGS.

        2. Jimmie

          I get headaches if the kratom is not good quality. Sometimes even a batch of my regular kratom randomly will give me a headache. It is just a bad batch. Idk what happens to it but it happens. So yeah try different kratom!

      2. Medic

        Go to er!

    3. S.H.

      You are not taking enough. To get off opiates use red vein strains and use ground powder 2 tablespoons in whatever drink you can choke it down in

      1. S.H.

        Actually reading what happened more closely. Kratom should never have those effects if it is pure unadulterated product. See a Dr.

    4. Becka

      Headaches are one of the side effects I eax about.

    5. jenn

      Hi Lisa,
      One of the reasons you could be getting headaches is due to dehydration. Both opiates and kratom dehydrate you. How much weight are in your capsules? Also.. Only speaking from my experience with taking kratom to wean off of opiates.. I had to take around 10 grams at the least every day until withdraws got better.. Since your still taking pain meds I would take around 5 grams and see how you feel from there. Kratom has helped me kick opiate addiction and manage my severe depression and anxiety.. Also I have terrible back pain and kratom has helped tremendously!

      1. McMike

        Kratom is very dehydrating. I had these symptoms until I started consuming a lot of water with kratom. I take 15 to 20 grams of Kratom a day and I drink over a hundred ounces of water a day. Otherwise the dehydration symptoms are unbearable.

      2. Layne

        I have taken kratom to stave off oxycodone withdrawal but I’m unsure as to how many days to take the kratom to avoid withdrawal altogether. I’m on day 3 of kratom 3g twice a day. How many days do I take it until I can stop the kratom as well so I’m not taking anything anymore? Please please advise!!!!

    6. Cal

      Kratom in lower doses can act as more of a stimulant than opioid. Usually 5 grams or more is recommended to pass the bbb and get that sweet sweet opi effect. I assume your caps are either .5g or 1g. It’s likely that you should be upping tour dose.

  8. keith

    I have broke my ribs several times and tried all types of pain pills, but anyone that has been through this knows they will not kill all pain. (beside killing your liver) I was turned on to kratom red vein and tried it, I was amazed at how well it worked for the pain, and also gave me energy. I am a aircraft mechanic and was able to work with 2 broken ribs, still some pain but was able to work!i will state that this stuff is a , god send and recommend it to anyone!i usually take apprx. 1 1/2 morning and same at noon, and good to go the rest of the day. ihave had no side effects,and am truly happy with results

  9. Joe Hutchisin

    Level teaspoon averages around 2.5 grams

  10. Mert Whittington

    Hello folks. I have tried the Kratom. I want to give it another chance but I am not sure what happened with me. I started getting these fluid filled blisters,not unlike chicken pox.On my face,arms and shoulders.Its like its seeping out through my skin.When the fluid disappears I get a scab formation and it has taken forever for them to heal. Now, am I allergic to it? Is this normal? I bought the extract and capsules. Tea made me sleep well but I need some pain relief which I did not get. I want to try it again but with the unsitely blisters I am almost afraid to. I have RA and I have had several back surgeries. Please comment .

    1. Kyle

      This happened to me after taking Aleve one day.. I used to take it one a week or so and then one day bam… crazy bad things like you describe all over the trunk of my body. It could’ve been many things. I don’t know if their is much scientific research done on kratom yet. But Aleve stays in your brain for about 6 months!!! That’s how long it took me to get over the sores. I just tried kratom for the first time literally 3 minutes ago so I really hope this doesn’t happened to me!!!

      1. Lori

        Yes, I have to agree! I realize this is an older post, but for anyone reading this now please know that NSAID’s can and do stay in your system for a lot longer than you might think. I’ve unfortunately had reactions to Aleve, Mobic, Ibruprofen, and all generics (and the generic versions thereof). I have Chronic pain and I’m always taking some sort of pain relief. Little did I know how harmful even the OTC stuff can be! Luckily I found a great G.I. doc who said no more NSAIDs (I finally figured it out thanks to him). I won’t lie, it’s still tempting to go for an Aleve/etc. sometimes because I have so much inflammation, but I don’t take them anymore. I got into the slump of taking way too much Tylenol/acetaminophen, but that has its (major) risks as well (not to mention it just isn’the effective for my type of pain at times), so I’m always on the lookout for safer options. It’s a daily battle, but I take omega supplements and I drink turmeric tea to try keep the inflammation at bay. It helps! I hope you’re feeling better by now. Be well!

    2. Yolanda

      Go to the doctor and get a thorough physical along with blood tests because you got to be sure that nothing bacteria OR viral OR allergic is going on.

    3. Derek

      I second the “see a doctor” comment to make sure you’re not allergic… But perhaps you could try different strains and vein colors? Maybe even try buying from a different vendor all-together?

  11. Bruve

    Gelatin caps are available at vitamin or health stores. Solaray 00 caps when packed properly hold about a gram of powder leaf.

  12. john

    hi all, a good way to help miminize tolerance is a magnesium supplement, it has NMDA antagonist effects, which are the primary opiod tolerance regulators. and strain rotation will help also.

    1. Derek

      Woah, that’s interesting! So magnesium can help reduce tolerance to kratom?

  13. John

    I take about 3-6 grams a dose 3 times a day sometimes 4. The withdrawals kind of suck when you are off of it but it is still not very bad. This is what they are. Mildly upset stomach, sneezing, sometimes aches, bad fatigue, and depression. They usually last anywhere from 2-10 days depending on the amount you use. While you are on it everything starts to seem interesting, you get mild euphoria, sometimes energy depending on the strain, and a few more effects depending on the person. I have never had it give me dizzy eyes and I have not run out of this stuff in almost 5 years. 5 years ago when I started I took 3-6 grams a day. Exact same amount as today because every time I take over 5g I first get tired, and then I feel sick around 6g but only slightly woozy. Kratom just does not have bad enough side effects to be considered anything more than a natural mild mood enhancing drug. Long term side effects are so mild chances are you will not even notice them. But for those of us who are stuck in crappy lives this stuff makes life a little easier and sometimes even enjoyable. Sorry if I am not making much sense… I sort of toked up before I got on here and just sort of trailed off. Also you can still feel kratom when you’re baked so that’s a plus.

  14. Luke

    I discovered kratom about a year ago when I was on the brink of destruction with alcohol. It has changed everything about my life, from giving me motivation and energy, to helping me sleep all the way through the night. I was taking club 13 extra strength capsules (which give me a very strong euphoric/energizing effects) I’ve recently started brewing tea as my ingestion method (much cheaper) but I can’t seem to get the same energizing/euphoric effects from the tea no matter how strong I make it or what strain I use. I’ve tried using enhanced leaf powder to make tea, even made my own kratom resin not the same effect as the club 13 capsules. Any thoughts?

    P.s. With the help of kratom And other herbal (natural) medications I have been sober for over 200 days. It is truly beautiful that nature provides us with these tools!

    1. Craig

      Good for you! Don’t stop fighting

    2. asdfasdfasdfasdf

      alot of the alkaloids in kratom are non liquid soluble so the effects from tea are diminished

      1. Paul

        Where did u get club 13 extra strength capsules from? I’d like to try some.

        1. Dr

          What is club 13?

          1. Advice

            Club 13 – a company that has been known to use RCs in their pills – I’d take a bet it wasnt the kratom that made you feel like that.

            I used to love a club 13 pill back in 09-10, was like cutting an X in half. After the RC bans started they disappeared from the shelves – like EVERYTHING club 13. I’ve slowly seen some of their products re-surfacing, but even my old favorite didnt provide the effects it had – proof to me this company was into using RCs.

            Stay away from club 13. Stay far away.

      2. Planetary Herbalist

        Vinegar is used as the menstruum for extracting alkaloids.

    3. Lisa

      So happy for you that you have found a way to an alcohol free life. God knows how hard it is to put the bottle down and to keep it down. I don’t know you but please know as life goes on and it gets easier and easier to continue on that path, remember there will absolutely be those days (bad day at work, family drama, etc.) when your want for that drink will be great and your willpower will be truly tested, know that their is a stranger in the world keeping you in her thoughts and prayers. Never stop the fight and if you do slip (hopefully your past the worst) tomorrow is a new day and its always the first day of the rest of your life.

      1. Ed

        Lisa, that is a very beautiful, inspiring, and soulful reply. I, too, I have put down the bottle for close to a year. Thank God.

        Luke, you will remain in my thoughts also.

        1. Skyzeks

          I just started reading these posts, and I must say, you guys are very consoling to each other. I admire that empathy and I also wish everyone who is suffering from alcohol or opiate abuse the best of everything. I certainly have my addictive problems, presently taking Suboxone. I just found out about Kratom and bought a bag of capsules opms 30mg total I think I wasted the first capsules I took bc of Suboxone, so I will try no Suboxone and slowly take Kratom. This site is very informative so thank you

  15. Matthew

    kratom is a miracle…between work and two small children to care for, my wife and i have no health insurance either..(,we who have been suboxone patients for years, admittedly the therapy has saved our lives in itself regarding the suboxone, we go about it honestly and are extremely serious about our recovery). however neither of us want to be on suboxone for the rest of our lives, this is merely a personal choice mind you, some folks may need to remain on subs for a loooong time, everyone is different, unfortunately our choice is financially motivated more than anything, and the kratom has worked wonders, absolute blazing wonders in helping us to titrate, lower, and even skip our doses of suboxone on occasion, and its been a beautiful thing. but like anything else in nature, this gift must be respected, and it will take you a long way in its benefits. 2-3 grams of a red vein strain in the morning allows me relief from my suboxone for up to a whole work day, (sometimes an extra gram or two during the day depending on my metabolism at any given time, for it is quite high) and roughly 4 grams in the evening….someday ill part ways with suboxone and live a truly free life thanks to this miraculous piece of nature, until then i will take it slow, slow as i can go infact and i recommend the same approach to anyone…no sense in taking things to fast and wreaking unnecessary havoc or stress upon the body.

    1. Eric

      I was on subs and methadone twice in my 35 years. I found suboxone is much easier to get off of because you can control your dose not the clinic. The first time on subs I was at 4, 8mg a day. Way too much. Tapered way to slow 2 years finally just stopped when I was down to just a chip. Felt like shit for 2 weeks still. 5 years later relapsed then went to a done clinic was at 100 mg of that for 2.5 years. Liquid handcuffs is the truth. Then went to subutex then suboxone. Just take as little as possible. Finally off again. Anyway it is possible even though it seems not. Kratom should help but be careful because it might bring your cravings for the strong stuff.

      1. Fred

        Actually, because Kratom acts primarily at the Delta receptor, its not nearly as addictive as pharma type opiates. At higher doses there is more action at the Mu receptor. Both receptors provide for pain relief, but the Mu receptor agonism is what perpetuates addiction via cravings. I never feel a strong craving for Opiates or more Kratom while taking it. Its much more matter-of-fact… i.e. ‘My pain is returning, I may need to take a bit more Kratom soon.’… Rather than, ‘holy shit!…my opiate pain med is wearing off and I can’t wait for my next dose/fix!’ A very, very different feel. This is why I feel Kratom for pain, as well as depression, is so much safer than the heavy duty Pharmaceutical pain medications. But make no mistake, there is a physical dependency issue with chronic use. Keep doses moderate, take days off ( if you can when your pain isn’t as bad), and rotate strains to keep tolerance at bay.

        Having said that, withdrawal is nothing like opiates. Its much more mild, but a taper is recommended. Expect a sweaty feeling, muscle aches ( especially in forearms and legs) , some agitation, and even occasional muscle spasms. Some people also report dyshoria and RLS. If you experience any of the more serious symptoms, you are weaning too fast. Just take a little bit of Kratom, a gram or 2, to irradicate the worst symptoms and then continue on with your taper. Bets wishes to all, and remember…with Kratom, less is more. I recommend everyone chart their use on a tablet and use a scale ( around $15) to measure dosages accurately.

        1. T

          I know this is an old post, but I just read it and you made me crack up laughing! Been depressed, so thanks for the laughs!!

    2. GC

      I have been addicted to kratom for several years. Don’t kid yourselves into thinking this is a miracle of any kind… addiction is addiction. My life was much better off before ever using kratom. Wake up.

      1. Brandon

        I’m addicted to cheeseburgers and ibuprofen….come on man. You can be addicted to anything. If people say it’s a miracle for them and can take little amounts and not feel like shit then let them call it a miracle. Just because you abused it doesn’t mean they have. People like you are making this product illegal in some states.

        1. Tom Y.

          I agree with Brandon, I felt my life was never going to be normal again after using prescription opiates for many years (all legal from back surgeries) and I wanted my old self back that I had before becoming “Opiate Zombie”. Kratom got me off opiates completely and I look forward to going into work again I’m more productive, focused and find myself actually talking to my employees when I’m at work and getting back those relationships we had before I fell into the opiate hole. I take my burn first thing in the morning and I’m good until after lunch when I’ll do a smaller burn with some OJ to finish out the workday and then when I get home I still have enough euphoria to take care of whatever it is I need to do at home, mowing or playing with my dog (he likes the old me also). Bottom line is “Kratom” has given me my life back, personally and professionally so it is a miracle because I thought I’d never be normal again but life is great!

          1. Milonius

            Wait until Kratom stops working and your dosage starts to skyrocket. Before long you’ll realize that the “miracle plant” feels dirty, just like any other opiate after awhile. Eventually you’ll cross a threshold at which the side effects will manifest, and they’re not pleasant. Bad memory problems and “dizzy eyes” are the two most common. In order to get any relief you’ll have to increase your dose to a point at which the dizzy eyes are an almost constant battle. Walking around not being able to focus your eyes all day, feeling dizzy, and forgetting things people told you 20 seconds ago are not fun. Yes, this is a plant, but the effects of taking it over a long period of time have not been studied and are not understood. It feels good and clean at first, but when the dose is raised and the side effects are felt you’ll understand what I’m talking about.

          2. Alice

            Milionius, because you have an addictive personality does not mean every one does. I take 2 capsules a day and that is all. It has been that way for 3 years. My pain is helped. It may not feel like it did in the beginning, but it still relieves my arthritis pain.
            I do not take any more than that and I have never once experienced any of the issues with eyes and memory that you report.

          3. Laura Love

            OK Tom finally someone who experienced what I am. So I’m in a huge opiate hole. I don’t want to talk to anyone. I got some maeng da and red Bali but don’t know when to start it. Or how much. I’m after the get things done and outgoing effect. I’m not into feeling down or tired unless it’s bed time. So I’m on 20 mg oxycodone 3 x a day. And always take 600 mg of ibuprofen with it or 1000 mg of Tylenol. I change them up. My OXY won’t help pain anymore because I’m going on 12 years of use due to back surgery from car accident. So I just want my life back. Can I start this 3 hours after taking 10 mg of oxycodone? I have been breaking my OXY in half weaning slowly. How much should I try being a 5ft 9in 37 yr old 170lb female?

      2. S.H.

        I am extremely happy to hear your life is better without Kratom. If Kratom use was causing negative problems in your life then discontinuing was definitely the proper call for you. As long as a substance has the possibility of altering your mood in the slightest people will abuse and become “addicted”. People sniff/huff glue, gasoline and computer cleaner, people drink purell and other hand sanitizers, people are addicted to sex, porn texting and video games.

        Kratom is a miracle plant for some. It was for me. I was a long term Norco/Vicodin addict who used Kratom alone to taper down from 15 Norcos a day to none in 4 days. I had virtually no withdrawal effects.

        I had tried subutex, suboxone, been given benzos (far worse than opiates), tranquilizers and went to rehab. None of those things worked. Kratom worked. As a committed opiate addict; if Kratom is an “opiate” I certainly never got addicted to it. I used it for 14 days. The exact same dosage, of the exact same strain for 14 straight days and stopped. I did not have a single desire to continue to use Kratom afterwards.

        Kratom, just like everything, is not for everyone and there will certainly be those who will abuse it like everything else in life. However, I can only speak for myself. If used properly and with respect this plant has the possibility of freeing the every grower number of opiate addicts out there.

        1. leelee

          i have been struggling with opiates pretty much all my life. in the end i was shooting heroin. i’m on suboxone now and want more than anything to give that up. i just took my first dose of kratom and hope and pray this works. how much kratom did you take to get off opiates in 14 days? can you tell me your exact schedule for taking kratom?

          1. KatDan

            leelee, I know exactly how you feel. I have been using opiates and 140mg. of methadone a day since 1990 (getting old). I started lowering my dose by 5mgs. a week until I got down to about 50mg. then I went 3-5mgs. about every two weeks down to 20mgs. then I just let my body tell me when to go down. It has taken about a year, but am here to tell you that Kratom works! I am DRUG FREE as of 12/31/2017. The worst is in the morning when I get up. I just used about 4-7 grams 3-4 times a day of some great Red Borneo, or Red Bali, mixed with some White Maeng Da (for energy, since you won’t have ANY!)and FLUSHED the rest of my Dones down the toilet, so the Kratom helped me to kick while at 15mgs. of Done a day, not only that but I stopped taking my Clozapam 2mg. every night at the same time!You will just have to let your body feel it out for you. I hope this helps anyone else out there, I’m a hard core addict! have been since the 80’s, this is the first time I have went more than 12-18 hours without Opiates, and I feel GREAT! 11 DAYS AND COUNTING!

          2. paul stephens

            Katdan and leelee or anyone else
            Rather than providing TMI I have aquired a few bad habits. @ 62 addicted again to oxy (8 30mg/day) from same pain mgnt doc for year. currently many sinus issues, bronchitis and latent tooth infection taking toll on my health. been down methadone road all the way to couple china white episodes thailand/laos to alot of hilltribe treks to get opium. a dangerous game… Ran out of oxy last night, took 20 mg methadone to deal with beginning withdrawl today then found some green mayley and red bali stashed here so took 10 oz mayay. its 8 month old but been in sealed packs, hope still works… any support offer will be greatly appreciated. will provide email and # then. thanks

    3. Maryann Leale

      How do you know what strain you have? And how many 500 mg caps does one take? I’m getting off of Norco but scared of unknown side effects. I found a kratom brand called Klarity. Anyone?

      1. Kay H

        I use Norco for a couple weeks, then go off it using Kratom. I have no side effects from going iff the Norco when I take the Kratom. I go back and fourth to avoid dependency. I am having surgery soon and after hope to not need need either. But in the last year it has been a lifesaver to me. I take 3 capsules of green bornea and 3 wildcraft in the a.m. A total if abour3.5 grams. Occasionally the first few days I made need an dose after lunch.
        Good luck

      2. S.H.

        You should use a red vein strain from Bali, Borneo or Thailand. Use in powdered form and mix in with a drink of your choice. There are many websites on dosing and there effects. You have to remember for coming off opiates you may need more rather than less 6-7 grams doses for sedative effects. At lower dosages 1-2 grams Kratom can act as a stimulant and that can potentially increase the anxiety detoxing from Vicodin already causes. Everyone is different.

    4. Derek

      My sister takes Suboxone. I’m trying to convince her to try kratom! So you take red vein in the morning? I’ve heard reds are more sedating and slower, and better to take at night. If you say you take them before work though, I’d be interested! Because I need energy for work. I’m taking green Maeng Da… just ordered green malay however and thinking of trying white Maeng Da.

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