Bali Kratom
Bali Kratom, just as its namesake island, is an ideal balance of pain relief and energy boost, smoothly blending many different effects of kratom into one.
Whether you want to rest your weary bones on the soft sands or work up a sweat riding the waves, Bali is the choice for you. It is often held up as the standard to which all other kratoms are compared.
BALI EFFECTS
The details
An ideal balance of pain relief and energy boost, Bali Kratom works somewhat differently than a traditional red kratom.
the difference
While many reds are sedative, Bali manages to give a gentle energy boost, while maintaining the pain relief expected of a red. Bali is also known to help with relaxation and brings a mild sense of euphoria.
the science
Bali Kratom has traditionally been one of the most popular strains, due to its higher potency and blend of properties. For many years, Bali was one of the only strains available. While the effects match the relaxing, revitalizing islands for which it is named, it has been discovered that Bali may not actually be from the Bali area.
Paul Goldenberg
27 Nov 2019What is the best Kraton strain for pain relief w/o the massive stimulating energy boost? I have bad back pain but also have IBS & sensitive to caffeine & coffee. Thoughts?
Krat0mD0ctor
30 Nov 2019Hey Paul, first of all; most “strains” are nothing more than marketing gimmicks. All kratom comes from the same trees. The only difference is the area in which they are harvested which, even then, makes no difference. What you need to look for is a good BATCH of a certain strain and color from a vendor that you enjoy and then order more at that. The only real difference is between colors (white, green, red, gold, bentuagie, yellow). The different colors indicate different drying methods, so basically many people think white = energy , red = relaxation, green = energy with relaxation.
The best advice I can give is just find a strain/batch that works for you. Kratom is very hit or miss, many times you will get a “strain” of kratom that just doesn’t do much for you (is weak). But once you find a strain/batch of kratom from a certain vendor that works really good then I would suggest ordering more of that. You wouldn’t believe how many bags of kratom I have in my closet that just didn’t do much for me.. But one unexplained and cool thing is that those bags of kratom in my closet that I considered weak – Well SOMETIMES (not always) when I go back to them months later, well sometimes they actually suprise me and I am like “holy cow, this stuff is great! Why did I not like this when I first tried it 4 months ago?!” ….
KratomDoctor
30 Nov 2019The best advice I can give is just find a strain/batch that works for you. Kratom is very hit or miss, many times you will get a “strain” of kratom that just doesn’t do much for you (is weak). But once you find a strain/batch of kratom from a certain vendor that works really good then I would suggest ordering more of that. You wouldn’t believe how many bags of kratom I have in my closet that just didn’t do much for me.. But one unexplained and cool thing is that those bags of kratom in my closet that I considered weak – Well SOMETIMES (not always) when I go back to them months later, well sometimes they actually suprise me and I am like “holy cow, this stuff is great! Why did I not like this when I first tried it 4 months ago?!”
Robin
11 Oct 2019Is there anyone who can PLEASE help me find kratom in Wisconsin??? Or any means of getting it- any vendors that will ship to WI? I know people say there are some but I’m having a hard time finding them. I want to get off heroin & suboxone so much… Any help would be SO appreciated! [email protected]
bris
13 Nov 2019Unfortunately, there are no vendors Ive heard of in Wisconsin. It’s treated as a controlled substance in the red list states. Do you have friends in other states that could have it delivered to them and then deliver it to you? Or better yet, go to a head shop out of state. Note – they won’t take Visa or MC for K purchases.
Blue Gomez
22 Nov 2019Greeting fellow addict, I have been un a very low dosage of suboxone for 2 years. 1 quarter slither of film per day 2.5 mgm. I found a honest and compassionate family that deals in Kratom. Please contact Shawn at Brothers Botanicals. This is a family business and accepts virtually all forms of payment even cash app. at this time of writing I am taking 3 tablets of Kratom Bali Red 2x a day and tapering from 1quarter 4x times a day to 1/2 a day. If you are on any benzos please please dont take Kratom. It will be costly and you will wind up in ER with panic attacks and vomiting and possible seizures. Also it will be reported and you will be a statistic that the DEA will use to counter the public outcry of making this a schedule 1 drug. Don’t do it please. The benefits of Kratom is so great that Pharma is looking into developing the different strain chemically. This really works but please call or contact their Facebook page and speak DM Shaun. He will instruct you how to go abut it.
KratomDoctor
30 Nov 2019Please get off that poison known as Suboxone ASAP. What I would suggest is going over to Minnesota (or whatever state your closest to) and getting some from one of those states. You could set up a PO box in one of those states and then order your kratom to that PO box, which would be totally legal.. It is a damn shame that Wisconsin has banned kratom, this plant SAVES LIVES.
Ras
7 Oct 2019I used kratom for Suboxone withdrawal and it was the only thing that worked. And I had a 20 year opiate habit. In my opinion a quality Chocolate Bent is one of the best leafs for insomnia. Obviously everyone reacts different to each strain but this particular leaf has worked great for me for insomnia…
Melissa
19 Aug 2019As far as tolerance goes, I got tremendous relief from Indo powder, then Mayo powder. Problem is I had been going through an ounce a day. I am a recovering addict from benzos and opiates. I don’t understand how to measure. I just know I did not need my Klonopin anymore
eric
12 Jun 2019Can someone please tell me the best kratom strain for insomnia..
was on subox for 5 yrs for pain mgmnt.. bad decision. also never was on anything illegal
now i am off suboxone for almost 2 months.. please tell me that eventually my sleeping will resume to normal..
sincerely eric
Scott
21 Jul 2019Sorry to tell you this but sleep is the last thing to return from subs use. It’s a horrible drug. I should have went through the 2 weeks of detox off oxys instead I was a slave to subs for 10 years. I’ve been clean 3 years 4 mos and I still have days where I feel like I’m in withdrawals from the subs. I’ve used “slow” strains of kratom and theyve helped a lot. Good luck.
April
28 Aug 2019Eric—*im not a physician but I would suggest giving yourself a Kratom break for a few weeks and trying 25-50 mg of Benadryl (never more than 50 mg!) about an hour before going to bed. That means consistent bed time, lights out, no tv, and maybe a cup of Kava or Chamomile tea to start relaxing you before bed. Good luck dude!
Ras
7 Oct 2019I used kratom for Suboxone withdrawal and it was the only thing that worked. And I had a 20 year opiate habit. In my opinion a quality Chocolate Bent is one of the best leafs for insomnia. Obviously everyone reacts different to each strain but this particular leaf has worked great for me for insomnia…
Arron
17 Oct 2019To be honest I have found both meang DA green kratom and also Bali kratom known as red Bali to both work very well and help with withdrawals as well I was on pain meds for 6 years and have been off for now 4 months they helped a lot even with sleep and also getting energy as well and pain
eric
12 Jun 2019I was on suboxone for 5 years for pain mgmnt. I am off of it now for 50 days BUT.. I have been not sleeping at all.. maybe 4 hours every 3 days.. I tried maeng da and it helped with energy fot the day and calmed down the fight ofr flight feeling.
Can anyone please tell me the most effective Kratom for sleep..PLEASE HELP
God bless and thank you kindly
Rose
7 Aug 2019Bentuangie is the best strain to help you sleep. There’s red bent, chocolate bent, and super royal bent. For me, I use Super Royal Bent. It helps me fall asleep, but more importantly, I stay asleep. I have problems staying asleep, but one dose of Super Royal Bent keeps me asleep for the whole night,
KratomDocotr
30 Nov 2019Red bali is a great strain, to be honest any red or green can be good for sleep but most enjoy reds.. You just gotta find a batch of kratom that works for you..
Nattt
2 May 2019Red Bali is knows for its pain relief idk how it got only 70% of pain relief when red kali got a 91% for pain relief. I think these results are a bit flawed. Red Bali has the greatest pain relief effects and is a partial mu opioid agonist. Oxycodone acts as a weak agonist at mu, kappa, and delta opioid receptors within the central nervous system (CNS). Oxycodone primarily affects mu-type opioid receptors as well. Diluadid binds to several opioid receptors particularly the mu receptors where most of its analgesic effects come from. Fentanyl the most potent synthetic opioid analgesic, it selectively binds primarily to the mu receptor which is why it is the most potent opioid analgesic reserved for people with high tolerance and severe chronic pain. Red Kali kratom has more sedating effects not pain relief. This is because Red Kali stimulates alpha 2 andrergic receptors causing sedating effects, which might make people seem they are experiencing more relief from pain but that is not the case. Although all kratom effects all receptors they vary differently depending on the type of kratom altering selectivity, bioavailability, and potency on the brains receptors. Kratom contains an alkaloid mitragynine (9-methoxy-corynantheidine) and 7-hydroxymitragynine. 7-hydroxymitragynine is a highly selective mu- and kappa-opioid receptor agonist, acting mainly on the former subtype. Mitragynine is a partial mu-, delta-, and kappa-opioid receptor agonist, but can also act on the 5-HT2A serotonergic and alpha2-adrenergic receptors, as well as neuronal Ca2+ channels. Red kali has such strong sedating effects because it is an αlpha2-andrenergic agonist which it primarily acts on. Although it still acts on the other receptors as well it selectivity differs toward each receptors. Alpha 2 agonists inhibits and reduces brainstem vasomotor center-mediated CNS activation. Used as centrally acting sympatholytic vasodilators. This means it antagonizes or inhibits the transmission of nerve impulses in the sympathetic nervous system. Alpha 2 agonists are generally used as an antihypertensive, sedative, & treatment of opiate dependence and alcohol withdrawal symptoms like clonidine and tizanidine. Red Kali kratom is favored for an anti-anxiolytic due to its sedating effects because it reduces a persons heart rate and blood pressure from it’s sympatholytic properties. Red Bali also has depressive effects but from binding to the mu receptor as all opioids do to decrease pain having greater analgesic effects over Red Kali.
Jackie Kendro
2 May 2019Holy cow!! I got more information from you on Kratom than the last 2 years of research! You need to write a blog. I get such conflicting information on different strains, and it’s hard to choose new strains. Thanks so much for your time to comment!!
Dean gekas
3 May 2019Great write up Nattt. Did you mean to say that Red Kali is favored as an anxiolytic ( you have anti-anxiolytic) to reduce anxiety? Anti-anxiolytic seems to infer against anxiety reduction.
I’m about to start RK for the first time to assist with psoriatic arthritis pain and trying to find the appropriate dosing. Any thoughts as to mg dosage to start with? Thanks
Tiffany Early
9 Jun 2019You don’t need much because the more you do you f up your tolerance I suggest doing one teaspoon in a mint tea or camolli tea I can’t spell sorry. But I used to toss n wash and found after awhile I got extremely sick backed up and pain and then the heresy squirts. So I would do the tea but do it right so you don’t ruin the kratom. I would suggest soaking the kratom in lemon juice before pouring hot water over it then put your normal tea in it. Idk why but the lemon gives it a punch. Do you do kratom in the morning? I would suggest green Malay
Kristy
14 Aug 2019I put my Kratom on a kitchen scale, weigh it by grams, and add it into my protein shake. Can’t even tell it’s in there.
Noel
18 Jun 2019Thank you Nattt! This was great information!
Iahel
14 Jul 2019Thank you a million for this good, clear, organized & helpful info! Many blessings!
Jellybean
26 Jul 2019Thank you for that info…it gives insight and understanding as to why each works the way it does and giving opioid drug similarity. I wish every safe and healthy understanding and usage. Thanks again.
Del F Hurley
20 Aug 2019Th for you knowledge of kratom. Can you tell me about the Thai kratom. Trying to get off pills totally. This seems to be helping but I’m concerned if i will jabber a dependency for this as well. So far this brand has best effects without feeling tired.
Sam Weaver
1 May 2019It’s great to know that Bali kratom is a good stimulant that helps in achieving and overcoming body pain. I will share this with my sister who constantly complainm about his upper and lower back pain. Due to the stress her work gives her, she seldomly notices her posture and the way she sits and that could probably be the cause of her back pain. Hopefully, I can find a health store that sells Bali kratom and share it with my sister.
Bob
16 Apr 2019I just ordered Bali for my first time trying. I’ve had 15 surgeries,have severe anxiety and have been taking lexapro Wellbutrin,3 blood pressure meds and of course hydrocodone 10s and tramadol for many years. What is anyone’s experience for the best one for severe pain? I hope it works as I would love to get off these other meds. Thanks
Rebecca Smith
21 May 2019In Sweden some kratom pills on the market were found to be a mixture of kratom and Tramadol, which led to several deaths. Of course I don’t know how much tramadol was in the tablets, how many pills were taken by those affected. However, without knowing more, I would never take the two together, I’d be too afraid to. There are several published reports from doctors online that describe what happened.
Hope Channell
29 Sep 2019Tramadol is the devil itself.
Ajax
8 Oct 2019So true. Tramadol is evil… cant believe I stayed with it as long as I did. Severe back pain kept me reliant upon it. Now 1 week free of Tramadol and morphine and I couldn’t be happier.
Heather
23 Jul 2019Almost exactly the situation on my end. Should this be taken in the AM to help get through the day, or in the evening to help relax and/or sedate? I’ve heard conflicting stories as I do realize that if affects people differently. Thanks in advance!
April
28 Aug 2019Bob—Kratom should be used with caution by people with high blood pressure!
Loren Bayer
26 Dec 2018Ok, I am trying kratom, and I’m not sure what to think! Cant sleep well, anxious all the time, i hurt, throwing up, BP meds, awful…I’m scared because reading the info is confusing! I am not looking to get high or anything! Just trying to function as a normal adult, I’m done with doctors! And last ER visit they sent me home saying I tested positive for meth! I told them I don’t do meth! I am a heart patient! Come to find out Zantac will give you a false positive! Google it!!! I have had a seizure, a heart attack, motorcycle wreck with steal rod from my knee to my ankle all in 2 years, I’m only 38 yrs old, and I feel like I’m 83. I don’t know what else to do! Cant be smoking weed forever either! I just need to know if this is really safe or if it’s just a fluke! Or should I just go to the nut house?
Elizabeth Hamlin
9 Feb 2019I have a list of different meds and over the counter that gives false positive test. I admin a few groups and just stepped down on another group. I found it too hard to do all three. Kratom is safer than anything you’ll find. The fda spreads Faldo info. The news media tells what they’re told before knowing the facts.
Gregory Gallegos
28 Mar 2019Have been taking to help with pain as well as managing my bi po mood swings. Start my morning off with 3 grams, then have 2 grams through the day about every 3 to 4 hours. Another 3 grams after lunch, and 4 grams of a different strain for sleep. I’ve been doing this for about 2 months now and I am doing way better than I’ve been in a while. Obviously this is different for everyone so as always, monitor yourself and learn what dosage works best for you!
Rachel
11 Nov 2018I’m new to this. Doing my research. I have RA. And PTSD. Also bi polar depression. I hate antidepressants! And I’m on suboxone. Is it safe to take with suboxone? And how is it taken via powder? I’ve heard they sell capsule’s at smoke shops
Stephanie
13 Dec 2018Hi Rachel, I’m also new to taking Kratom and I’m also effected by many of the same health problems as you. I’m also on Suboxone and have been for many years now. I did not experience any negative effects when I took the first type of Kratom I tried with the meds I’m currently on. It might depend on strains and all that, so just be smart and take caution, as with taking any new medications or supplements. I started with the Maeng Da strain of Kratom, just FYI. Would love to hear back from you and I hope this helps. Good luck with everything.
TIFFANY EARLY
11 Jan 2019I find mixing white boreno with green mayla is the best for me. I have major depressive with anxiety and ptsd.
Mike
12 Jan 2019I used Kratom to get off Suboxone. I just weened down from 2 strips to 1.5 for 3 days, to 1 strip for 3 days, to .5 strips for 3 days beforehand. I immediately went straight to 25-ish grams a day of kratom after that. The first week or so takes some adjustment, as you have to get your personal dosage right. I was taking too much a first and would get dizzy but eating usually fixed that. I started taking less at once (1.5 teaspoons at a time, rather than 2+) but more often (every 2-3 hours rather than every 4-5). This worked well and the “withdrawal” from the Suboxone wasn’t really that bad at all. Little sweaty and restless the first few night but nothing like normal symptoms.
I’ve been using kratom ever since to manage pain and to generally feel better. I also quit drinking and smoking cigarettes around the same time. I have no desire for alcohol while taking kratom though quitting smoking was harder. It is manageable, though, when you aren’t drinking alcohol (which goes hand-in-hand) and the kratom helps take care of the restless anxiety in nicotine withdrawal.
As for taking the powder, I got a shaker bottle (the kind of protein shakes) and I put 2 tea spoons in there with about 2 cups of water (or iced tea, juice, whatever). It’s gritty and tastes bitter at first (you get used to it) but I will often sweeten it with honey, sometimes a lot. To help with inflammation I will also add 1 teaspoon of turmeric and fresh ginger for taste. This little cocktail doesn’t really taste too bad and has effects that no pharmaceutical medication has ever had.
Powder is cheaper than pills and head shops are super expensive, do not recommend buying from those places often, though they do work in a pinch. Try finding a place online where you can get kilos for under $150. I have several places I buy from and most are very good. I personally like Green and White strains in the morning to boost mood and energy and Red for pain at night. I mix them together in different proportions as needed and I rotate strains so that I don’t build up any tolerance to any single type.
Been of opiate medications and Suboxone for over 3 years now because of kratom. You’ll be just fine too!
Joy
28 May 2019Is this true you really came off subs? With Kratom? I’m sick right now but got some Bali and feel OK. It’s only day 3 without my meds.
Candace
27 Jun 2019Hi, what website do you recommend to order from?
Candace💗
Tony
7 Jun 2019You can buy a capsule maker and capsules online. Way cheaper and u know what’s in them! There are videos on YouTube that show you how. So much easier 😉 good luck!
Rachel
11 Nov 2018I’m new to this. Doing my research. I have RA. And PTSD. Also bi polar depression. I hate antidepressants! And I’m on suboxone. Is it safe to take with suboxone?
Anthony
1 Sep 2018hello Ken first of all Im sorry to hear about your situation about the tapering ive also been noticing the weaning off of many legitimate non cancer patients of their pain medication. In regards to your to your question i take kratom daily for pain and depression ive had abdominal surgery and have dealt with psychical pain myself i was on pain meds for a short time before they cut me off when i was still in severe pain. Of course no one listened so i was forced to medicate myself i had already knew about kratom but always took it for recreation. So i tryed the Red Bali and saw a dramatic difference in both physical pain and the mental anguish that comes with it. Anyway i highly recommend you try Red Bali Kratom start with 4.5 to 5gs to see how u feel then adjust dose as necessary just don take with your pain meds thats Important. It has helped me threw so much and am glad i started taking kratom instead. Hope this helps a little bit and good luck.
Lalee
20 Jul 2019Anthony…you said “ don’t take with your pain meds” ..do u mean not at the same time? Or not at all if you takes pain meds..?
Ken
25 Aug 2018Reccomendation please for someone who has been treated by the “good doctors” with escalating dosed of opiods following multiple surgical procedures and serious medical illnesses. Now the “good doctors” are forcing legitimate chronic non cancer pain patients off of their opioid medications they have been taking for years by tapering their doses. A 10% decrease each month is their standard approach. How could Kratom be used for pain relief and sleep at night to help tolerate this weaning program.Opinions please,I understand there is no exact science in Kratom realm.
Anthony
1 Sep 2018hello Ken first of all Im sorry to hear about your situation about the tapering ive also been noticing the weaning off of many legitimate non cancer patients of their pain medication. In regards to your to your question i take kratom daily for pain and depression ive had abdominal surgery and have dealt with psychical pain myself i was on pain meds for a short time before they cut me off when i was still in severe pain. Of course no one listened so i was forced to medicate myself i had already knew about kratom but always took it for recreation. So i tryed the Red Bali and saw a dramatic difference in both physical pain and the mental anguish that comes with it. Anyway i highly recommend you try Red Bali Kratom start with 4.5 to 5gs to see how u feel then adjust dose as necessary just don take with your pain meds thats Important. It has helped me threw so much and am glad i started taking kratom instead. Hope this helps a little bit and good luck.
Ginger McGer
15 May 2019My mom had the same thing happen to her. I just discovered Kratom a month ago. Got her started in Maeng Da – 3g in morning and again late afternoon. Before this without her oxycodone she could barely walk and was housebound due to her severe pain levels. She’s 75 and was abruptly taken off her oxy. Was prescribed tramadol and on it for 3mo before her PCP decided it was enough and referred her to an addiction doctor. 😡 My mom has degenerative disc disease, fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis, chronic kidney disease and is diabetic. The doctors have completely disregarded all of this. I’m sick of doctors. Good luck to you.
Bili
18 Aug 2018That’s what I take and I think it’s the best. That and BOOST red Bali kratom. I take 4g (8 caps)and its perfect for Me, a 130 lb. female. That is my personal experience.
Deborah
25 Aug 2018New 2 the stuff but is the red bali the same as bali kratom??
Deboah
25 Aug 2018Im new 2 the stuff but is red vein bali the same as bali kratom??
Stacey
2 Aug 2018I bought Bali 500mg pills, how many do I take to start off?
Nate
5 Aug 2018Bali is the most even keeled Kratom so you’ll feel the best effects with about would start with 1 tsp. Believe it or not, 1 tsp = 10 500mg capsules. Had to google it to believe it myself. Personally I take 8 capsules, and it seems to be the perfect balance.
Liz
1 Jun 2018Has anyone on here tried the green valley organic Bali Kratom?
Bili
18 Aug 2018That’s what I take and I think it’s the best. That and BOOST red Bali kratom. I take 4g (8 caps)and its perfect for Me, a 130 lb. female. That is my personal experience.
Kratomlover
21 May 2018Kratom is the best way thing I could have ever found out about! I was highly addicted to opiates. I prefer the powder, it makes a great tea with only 5 scoops (gram scooper) I recommend the powder instead of the capsules…. more for your money if you can fathom the taste.
Michael
16 Jul 2018You may also purchase gelatin capsules at just about any pharmacy and package them yourself. The taste of ingesting the straight powder may turn away first time users. I was strictly a Maeng Da buyer but once by mistake the company I order from sent me Red Vein Bali and I ended up being very pleased with their mistake. So now I balance back and forth between the two. Ordering in bulk online is so much cheaper than from a smoke shop or retail dealer.
Mitch
21 May 2018Bali is great
Monica
19 Mar 2018How many capsules do I take for opiate withdrawals? I’m new to this kratom. Thanks!
Kratomlover
21 May 2018Usually takes 3-5 depending on your opiate intake. Kratom is the best when it comes to killing your withdrawals and ultimately getting over the addiction!
Jim
10 Jun 2018Wish I knew the capsules! The powxer is way better for withdrawal, that I cam answer if you have a big tolerance half ounce a day n buy 3 ounces! Lower tolerance like vikes then u can use a total of a quarter ounce a day in 2 settings!! Hope i helped at all
Jennifer L Dixon
16 Feb 2018I bought 5 grams of “super enhanced bali-mitragyna speciosa powder, how many doses does that equal? Idk how much tp use ☹Im new to this so if its a dumb question I apologize
Petey
9 Sep 2018Beginners and even regular user should not buy super enhanced of any kind of kratom strand in any form. You should have researched and read as much as you can to educate yourself before you buy and take the stuff.
Ladyscience
3 Mar 2017I bought a 1.06 oz jar of green vein powder. Its mitragyna speciousa leaf 4g. How much would I need to take for a single dose of 4g??? May be a dumb question. I’m tired tonight lol. Its the bali gold kratom powder.
Trina
3 Mar 20181 heaping teaspoon
Alison L. Kocsis
1 Oct 2016I bought Bali kratom capsules .625g. How many pills do I take at a time ti
Erik
19 Mar 2017Intake 15 to 20 but I have a very high tolerance to opiates which KRATOM is similar to.
Trina
3 Mar 2018In the capsules, 3 to 5 of these would be a regular persons dose. Start with 3 and if it isn’t enough try 4 then 5 to see which works best for you. Erik must have a very high tolerance if he is taking that much because 15-20 is a extremely high dose.
Morley
18 Aug 2016So if I mixed meang da and red Kali into 5-6 grams would this eliminate the withdrawal of opiates this is what I ordered I need to be sedated and pain relief I want a good mellow feeling to wher I can literally fall asleep without creeps
Trina
3 Mar 2018It depends on how high a dose of opiates you were on. Try a heaping teaspoon first then add more your next dose if it’s not enough. The powder is easiest on your taste buds if you make it like a hot tea. Mix peppermint extract and honey into the tea you make from the Kratom it will taste much better that way and the hot water will help you absorb it much quicker
Stacey
2 Aug 2018I bought Bali 500mg pills, how many do I take to start off?